Is Mexico incapable of correcting the corruption and it's own social issues. Is it time to seriously consider Mexico a true security issue in this hemisphere and take over what they obviously can't handle?
Because some dumb people think America is what they want and migrate from Mexico to get it, all the Mexicans that are proud to be Mexicans have to become Americans in the end ??? Are you out of your mind ?! I wouldn't like to be American even if they'd pay me !
Hey Tantrum! We have choclate chip, lemon sugar, shortbread, butter, pecan sandies, Oreos, snickerdoodles, choclate chewy, fig newtons, cowboy cookies, oatmeal rasin, pie crust and I'm becoming dizzy with desire! Well where are you from? I f you don't mind me asking. I'm sure its exotic and mysterious!
Yes to all the above. The only way -- the ONLY way -- there will be peace and stability in Mexico, is if an international peacekeeping force (NATO) goes in and takes over. The U.S. does not need another war on its hands. After the cartels are removed, the international community creates a new government that represents the Mexican people.
More or less. Except the U.S. will not be the primary player in a rebuilding effort. Again, multinational. Mexico could be turned into a global economic utopia. A sort of renaissance state that acts as a crossroads for global activity of all kinds. Take the best from each country and put it in Mexico. It is possible. All these second generation Mexicans educated here would be the building blocks of a new age for that country.
I'm all for that...if they do it themselves...if not I want it to be mine.
If I have to make it....I want the profits from it too. Otherwise we are right back to the I have to fix it for them scenario...I'm not going to fix their country for them. If I fix it, it will be for me.
So let me get this straight. You think we should throw all illegals out of the country, but now you want to annex Mexico. Sorry to be blunt about this, but are you stupid? Don't we have enough problems in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention domestic stuff, that we don't need to go looking for more trouble. Ever hear of Pancho Villa. We sent Pershing to get him and he lead the Punitive Expedition on a merry chase through Mexico.
No but if we can't stop illegal migration issues and aren't willing to build a wall it would be away to protect our country. Personally I want a wall but I don't see that happening until we have a major terrorist attack and we wake up.
If Mexico agreed to the building of a wall, would you advocate this wall being at least as high as Colorado? Afterall, much of the south west of American - where you have the biggest Mexican populations - were in fact once part of that same country.
If Mexico was to agree to build a wall, you are asking them to mark a boundary which the majority believe would exclude their native lands... at least parts of Texas, parts of California, the whole of New Mexico and the whole of Arizona
Just a point which I believe is valid. Many would argue that the Mexicans have a right to citizenship in those four states, since it is their native lands. Much in the same way that many Irish Americans were supportive of the I.R.A and their efforts to 'liberate Ireland' from their 'British oppressors'...
Thanks for the welcome back by the way, just an international perspective on this argument, a lot of Americans involved in that drug trafficking by the way
No problem Ryan! Well to take that position you would have to give all of Ireland back and give Wales and Scotland back as well. In fact the first recognized civilized control of Britain was by the Romans so the Italians should get it all.
Just a wall would be fine, we're not too much for the one world government thing.
AMEN! Bring the troops home from not only Iraq, but Korea, Germany, England, Qutar, and 90% of the places we have them policing the world. We train our toops around the border and use them for WHAT? DEFENCE against invasion of ANY kind.
With so many problems at home why is it America's job to police the world? Why do we spend billions of American dollars fixing up and supporting countries that we are at war with? America needs to take care of America. Protect our borders, feed our kids, you know those little silly things.
i don't think the USA can afford to go to war with another country. With the way South American sentiment is progressing i think you'll find Mexico will soon be part of a new South American united congress.
i am always dumbfounded as to the reasons why people of the USA think their own values are holier than thou and everyone else should do as they feel is right.
The world is changing and the USA no longer has the RIGHT to tell anyone how to run their own country.
USA should fix their own problems in their own country instead of worrying about everyone else.
You people in the USA are so dumb sometimes. The rest of the world is starting to move against you.
If the mexicans would keep their problems in Mexico it would not matter but since they choose to bring them into the U.S. on a daily basis then yes it is our problem An the only thing dumb about the U.S. is that we have been far to tolerant of the stupidity around us for far to long.
". . . its because of what the USA has done to Mexico that these people are fleeing . . ." _________________________________________________________
That comment is the most insidious nonsense ever created! Most Mexicans are living on $2 a day down there. The government is corrupt and infiltrated by cartels. There is no middle class in Mexico, or scant at best. The drug wars are escalating. If anything, illegals from Mexico are refugees escaping from a totalitarian government that doesn't give a damn about its people. But, of course, blame it on the "ugly American."
If you haven't noticed, I never refer to the United States as America...Nor do I call United States Citizens "Americans" unless I'm including everyone that is an American (Brazilians, Mexicans, Etc Etc...) That other people call United States Citizens by the name Americans while dis-including all the Americans that aren't United States Citizens, is not my problem.
I have said that Mexican criminals should be kicked out of my country, not the continent, and made to fix their own problems, or if they want to dis-band the country of Mexico and make it a part of the United States, under our laws, then I'd be happy to 'help them out'.
Forget the wall. Within ten years there will be the North American Union. Count on it. The U.S. can no longer compete with the EEU, China, and other globalistic wannabe's. Besides, the NAU is in the Bible. So it's already a done deal.
The EEU is already eyeballing other sovereign states to join. China is moving into Africa. Chavez is trying to create a new federation in Central and South America. It's only a matter of time. Mexico is a childlike country that can go one of only two ways: south to Chavez, or north to an NAU.
Calling Mexico is offensive. Tell me exactly when we can expect this North American Union so I can see you eat crow at that time. Let me guess: it will be so vague or so far in the future as to be meaningless to this discussion. Right.
Around you? What about within your own country? Geez, clean up your own back yard first. You want to blame every other country for your own problems? You do realize that with your debt you are easily in the Third World Classification!
I agree with you! We should close our borders reel in our military to only protect us and stop government sponsored forgien aid. That way there would be no need to speak bad about the US. The world could handle their own issues then maybe, maybe they would realize we were a friend worth having. But once it's done it should stay done no pleading for help economically or militarily. We could afford health care for working Americans then.
i think you'll find that the USA will be the ones looking for assistance. They have hardly any resouces left and are economically in so much debt that without other countries they would be in financial ruin. broke.
Don't count us out yet! We are so technologically advanced we could sell military services to the highest bidder. I think you'd be surprised how much we really do but I know it's chic to bash the US so have at it.
I agree with everything you just said, except ' you Americans are so dumb'. I happen to be one. And granted, we should mind to our own bussiness. But when we do, don't come pleading for us to take care of some crap that you might have gotten yourselves into. Our biggest downfall is our compassion for the rest of the worlds plights.
Ever heard of the Marshal Plan? We even let that debt go unpaid. Didnt make any money off of that. Research who gives more than any other country for disaster relief. When someone needs help, America is first in line. You can deny it, but the fact remains.
I agree thats how a lot of the world sees it. So we should just worry about our own problems. Now you can't come back later and say we don't care about the worlds problems then you wished us out. Oh yeah, take the UN while we're doing all this moving. We should also increase tariffs to protect our markets as well.
The rest of the world has been against the U.S. for longer than I have been alive. They are simply getting better ideas and better ways to do what they can't do through war, they have found better tools. Money and greed being some of those new tools. (illegal drugs being an old one)
Here is a great idea. Anyone who wants to ignore the illegal alien problem we have in this country should do what my dad did. Go to Mexico with a volunteer group and try to help them make things better down there so they don't feel tempted to illegally enter THIS country. if things were better down there then they could wait and do things legally like past immigrants!
Well, yeah, you can take that attitude and I personally agree with you HOWEVER for all the people HERE who are LEGAL citizens but still decide to defend illegal aliens then that is my suggestion. Sorry I was not clear.
Thats a great Idea but the wealthy in Mexico are so corrupt you couldn't just leave them to it. I used to hunt in Mexico we could bring guns but no ammo. We brought plenty of ammo and we paid officials for that and to increase bag limits. Every aspect of their sociaty is corrupt in one form or another it's almost hopeless.
I did none of those things. I am staight up an citizen of the United States. You can try if you would like to hold me responsible for the the crime forced on the Indians, or for slavery or for the Holocaust since I am of German decent but I am guilty of none of these things. When speaking of the illegals coming across the Mexican border we are speaking of the people who actually committed these crimes not thier future generations.
Except that the word "crime" is being banded about here, how shall I put it, "imprecisely." Are we seriously going to say that the crimes of the Nazis, or of the genocidal actions committed against native Americans are the same sorts of "crimes" as people wading through filth in the middle of the night to get across a border? How about some historical perspective here.
Ohma wrote: we always have that choice but why would I choose to leave my home when it is the illegals that do not belong here?
Ron Montgomery 4679 posts Joined: 11 months ago Hubs: 19 Followers: 172 That's right! We murdered, raped and pillaged our way into this land -we earned it!
You are the one that brought up the past by implying that I should somehow be responsible for the actions of people that died long before I was born. And Illegals are criminals I am not the one that equated their crime to the crimes perpertrated against the Native Americans.
I'm simply replying to what you posted here....you said several times that illegal immigration was not the same as the other crimes listed...
You said it not me.
In fact your exact words were:
"Except that the word "crime" is being banded about here, how shall I put it, "imprecisely." Are we seriously going to say that the crimes of the Nazis, or of the genocidal actions committed against native Americans are the same sorts of "crimes" as people wading through filth in the middle of the night to get across a border? How about some historical perspective here."
I think the word crime is being used differently in some of those examples, too. By the way, I am tired of Americans being apologetic for our ancestors being good at conquering others and/or good deal-makers. I wish I could have gotten My home for the price of Manhattan! Also, y'all shouldn't call people stupid or compare cleaning up Mexico to Iraq or Afghanistan. Does anyone really think mexico would be as much of a challenge? Please! We set up gun towers at the border and attack from the far border and get them as they run for OUR borders. Simple. Here's another idea, shouldn't y'all be writing hubs?
Yes, jackass, Mexico would be as bad as Iraq. You can't just walk into someone's home and tell them you're in charge without there being problems. Oh not to mention the fact that we share a border with Mexico so it'll be real easy to slip saboteurs across the border, unlike Afghani's and Iraqi's.
The name-calling isn't really impressive. I am not asking your opinion I am simply stating a fact. We are not at war with Mexico. If we were I would say our border would suddenly become a lot more secure. Again, name-calling hasn't worked on me since I was in junior high school. Go write a hub about this topic. Mind you, it might be a lot more challenging and you would not be able to call so many strangers names but it also would not let so many people show you resorting to name-calling either. THAT should be worth a LOT to you!
Ok, you're confused. We'll drop the cockroaches for now.
If you steal my home and I decide to move back in with you, and share my home rather than throw your ass out into the street, you should be thankful, not hateful. You committed the crime, I forgave you for it.
But they aren't in fact If I were them in this example, I would be throwing you out of your house, telling you to go fix my house, and while you're fixing my house I'll be having sex with your wife... now I'm not threatening violence mind you, I just hooked her on drugs and your kids too, so they will do what ever I say...or no more drugs...
and then I'll just play the feel sorry for me card on anyone that isn't hooked on the drugs...
Your scenario would have some truth if you had in fact gained your home through honest means. You did not. It was stolen, then you occupied it. I forgive you for that and will share with you what is rightfully mine.
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