Let me get this right, we’re implementing health care created by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it, but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay... taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese...financed by a country that’s broke.
Very concisely put.
It's a mess, ain't it?!
i used to work for the government, administering ACCHS payments. i could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end. those people do nothing all day long. seriously. my boss had a fridge in his office...actually, his office was a huge room and his desk was in the far corner, and we all sat at tables in the same room...not even a cubicle. anyway, he had a fridge in it and in the fridge he kept orange juice and in his desk he kept vodka and he would make screwdrivers and drink them at his desk! and these applications we got...oh boy ...full of fake names and addresses...many typical applications were like this. this is ACTUAL CONTENT, mind you:
Names: John, Paul, George Ringo
Address; In car under bridge
each child was given a "pseudo" SSN by the state system, and they would use these numbers to get benefits. I showed these types of applications to my boss and said 'these have to be fake' and he said 'process it anyway'.
i was the only person who did any work. i can't NOT work. anyway there were stacks and stacks and boxes and boxes of paperwork that sat there for weeks. people sat around gossiping. they couldn't keep me busy, so i started doing other people's work, since they were too busy going on three-hour lunch breaks, and hour-long coffee breaks to go shopping. then they would come back and sit in the break room laughing and joking about it 'hee hee we come in at 9, take a coffee-break, start to work but then it's lunch time and then of course we have to go get cookies or some other treat off the premises in the afternoon'...they were GLAD to be 'sitcking it to the man'.
of course they called me 'goody two-shoes'. i transferred to another department after my boss told me to slow down and not work so hard and 'go shopping or something'.
then i left altogether because State government is full of lazy, overpaid idiots. and these are the people who will be administering Obamacare...
I think you may have hit the heart of the problems with government. A few people trying to actually do their jobs among idiots. Thank God there is a few!
Is everyone who needs help getting affordable health care lazy, lying slobs?
That pretty much sums it up. Though I must say based on the title of this, that despite all those truths, I don't advocate violence. Our system of government is what it is, and even though they got this one terribly wrong, and honestly did not take into account the opposition of the majority of the American people, which was clearly indicated by the polls, it cannot be the measure of our system as a whole. Part of the beauty of our system is that we can send a very clear message to our elected officials how we feel by keeping them in their seats, or ousting them. That opportunity comes this November, and the only wielding we should be doing is of the voting kind.
We cannot strongarm the process when it doesn't go our way. That only serves to further taint and corrupt the system. The only thing our elected officials need fear is their job, not their life.
It is the same as it has always been reguardless of the administration. Hypocrisy, lies, pandering to the special interests... So deal with it and get on with your life....if you have one??
According to some we are all going to die in 2012 anyway!!
No. Why should the citizens of this country have to just "deal with it and get on with our lives?" It's that kind of apathy that keeps these problems in our government. The people of this country need to do something about our problems with government.
OK what's your plan? What are we going to do about it? As an individual you have no power, as a small group you're bitching, as a large group you're a threat. What happens to any group perceived as a threat to the US government? This subject gets a great deal of air time on the HUBS, but so far no solutions has come out.
...actually you see some of the solution with what the true TEA Party types are doing...kicking out the current congress and getting new ones in...if they can just keep the people that have no honorable self control rabble rowsers out, they could get their work done.
Replacing current seat holders with new republicans is NOT getting new government. If someone wants to replace a democrate or republican, I would be more likely to support that if those people were affiliated with a NEW political party.
...well, if you studied the intent of the true TEA party peoples' ideals, the Constitution, you would understand that they are not about political parties, but Constitutional concepts and how to get back to those regardless of your current political position...
most of what you see in the media are the talking heads of the republican establishment that are trying to control the message of the TEA party people, and the votes of everyone that has only a limited perspective on what the true TEA party stand for...
but at least they are waking people up to the learning about the Constitution...I just hope they don't spin that as badly as the liberal have done
The hypocrisy is not in the government but in you. You should have been alarmed about the way the government was being run 8 years ago or 4 years ago. Too late now! Grown ups are trying to fix this mess while you're faking some outrage. You just a sore loser that can't face the fact that Barack Obama will go down in History as one of this Nations Greatest Presidents. It's driving you insane. And it driving some of you to violence.
Do you think it's productive to suggest that those who hold different political views than yours are not "grown ups"? Really? Where is that going to get us?
And you must, in moments of calmer clarity, see that declaring obama "one of this Nations Greatest Presidents" at this point is completely illogical no matter how much you may love the guy.
Dont try to speak to me in calming, logical tones after someone called Emanuell Lewis a N@$%$R on the Capitol Steps. I don't see where I'm the one that needs to calm down here. Scroll up and read Carl Deeds account of man ramming his truck into a car just because it had an Obama Bumber Sticker!
I meant what I said TK.
"Dont try to speak to me in calming, logical tones after someone called Emanuell Lewis a N@$%$R on the Capitol Steps. "
Did I call him that?
" I don't see where I'm the one that needs to calm down here."
No one ever does, that's why things get out of hand.
How is any of what I said hypocrisy? I said that citizens should not be apathetic towards government. The only hypocrisy I see is on your profile page. I was only 10 years old 8 years ago...I knew nothing about government. And I didn't know much more by age 14.
Ah, yes. The whole "your a sore loser because you lost the election" thing. The automatic defense of many democrats who wonder how anyone can actually have real, solid reasons for being against some of the democratic politicians....great defense...
Technically, I didn't lose the election. I wasn't old enough to vote and even if I could have I wouldn't have voted for Obama or McCain. Unlike *some* people I am not blinded by my political beliefs. "Nation's Greatest President"...ha.
Also, "driving me insane"? Not even...
You must not have under stood the post.
Let me get this right, we’re implementing
1) health care created by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it,
2) passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it, but exempts themselves from it,
3)to be signed by a president who hasn't (read it and who smokes),
4)with funding administered by a (treasury chief who didn’t pay... taxes),
5)all to be overseen by a (surgeon general who is obese)
6)financed by a country that’s broke.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW
I work for the federal government and am happy and make lots of money.
Maybe you didn't understand my reply?? It's buisness as usual!!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???
PS: I don't care what you are trying to say!!
Ah so you're overpaid and you get great benefits! Now that explains your happiness, and your apathy.
I'm willing to bet that you don't work for the government and you don't make a lot of money, most people that do make a lot of money don't talk about it.
Padrino, the amount of money Storm earns is really good for someone in their mid-twenties. A lot of money is relative anyways.
It's a lot to me.
I am a cost/budget analyst and carry a GS12 grade rating due to my education and experience. I work with and in GS500,900,1100 and 1700..I do the majority of my work with the Air Force and a bit with local FEMA issues. I have been on this job from the time I graduated college. My income is quite substantial given my age. So don't be bitter and hateful because of your lot in life...celebrate the success of others as I do!
Air force AND Fema? I knew they were related... how much relief money did those internment camps cost?
I can understand the apathetic attitude as I myself have been guilty of it, but now, more then ever before it's important to get involved. It's time for the people to exercise their power over their servants. The situation is serious and the consequences dire, we must participate to prevent anarchy. It's time to hold these people accountable!
you must be one of those, disgruntle angry know it all government employees. Your always complaining and telling everyone that you know things that you can't discuss. I guess I don't understand your buisness.
It's all secret...soon we will control you all!!
What's up Arthur? I'm doing well and I hope I find you doing well too.
I am fine. I have dealt with two angry violent customers this week. I actually have the door to my office locked.
But personnally I am fine.
A secret handshake...No. A lot of the men seem to want to grab my ass though? We do use a series of strange facial contortions when in a crowded room.
You're the one who's disgruntled, pal. We're completely gruntled.
This is what you guys are promoting:
51 minutes ago
Road rage, accident centers on Obama bumper sticker
Posted: Mar 26, 2010 12:38 AM
Harry Weisiger is charged with felony reckless endangerment.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A Nashville man says he and his 10-year-old daughter were victims of road rage Thursday afternoon, all because of a political bumper sticker on his car.
Mark Duren told News 2 the incident happened around 4:30p.m., while he was driving on Blair Boulevard, not far from Belmont University.
He said Harry Weisiger gave him the bird and rammed into his vehicle, after noticing an Obama-Biden sticker on his car bumper.
Duren had just picked up his 10-year-old daughter from school and had her in the car with him.
"He pointed at the back of my car," Duren said, "the bumper, flipped me off, one finger salute."
But it didn't end there.
Duren told News 2 that Weisiger honked his horn at him for awhile, as Duren stopped at a stop sign.
Once he started driving again, down Blair Boulevard, towards his home, he said, "I looked in the rear view mirror again, and this same SUV was speeding, flying up behind me, bumped me."
Duren said he applied his brake and the SUV smashed into the back of his car.
He then put his car in park to take care of the accident, but Weisiger started pushing the car using his SUV.
Duren said, "He pushed my car up towards the sidewalk, almost onto the sidewalk."
Police say Harry Weisiger is charged with felony reckless endangerment in the incident.
More hot air than anything else. Too many people complaining and not enough people actually doing anything about it.
Then again, most people in America are ignorant to the way of life of America to begin with, because they've accepted the misconceptions already sold to them about their life.
Enough talking....do something about it, and quit just talking.
My fiancée just read my the headline of todays paper
"Republicans turned off by the size off Obama's package"
Here's three reasons why: Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh
Davidson Loehr: Beck, Coulter and Limbaugh are Avatars of Julius Streicher
Source: Truthout (3-10-10)
[Davidson Loehr is a retired Unitarian minister, author of "America, Fascism & God: Sermons from a Heretical Preacher" (Chelsea Green, 2005).]
Making fun of demagogues like Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh has become a kind of parlor game, an escape valve to let out some of the frustration of impotent rage. This was brought home again when I read "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner. Writing between 1933 and 1939, he came of age during Hitler's rise to power. His observations are so searing it's still hard to believe that someone could see this clearly while the spirit of his times was morphing into a broad and deep spirit of evil. Once the Zeitgeist had changed, all kinds of murderous and insane actions became logical means toward transforming German culture into its Nazi metastasis.
"Avatars of Julius Streicher" doesn't sound quite sober - hardly anyone recognizes his name today, but Streicher's spirit is alive and well in Beck, Coulter and Limbaugh. Streicher was one of the 11 Nazis sentenced to hang by the Nuremberg Trials on October 16, 1946. Only ten were hanged because Hermann Goering committed suicide with some cyanide capsules the night before. Of the 11, Streicher was the only one who was not in the military, not in any significant position to command anything regarding the treatment and execution of millions of people who didn't fit the Nazi mold. But Streicher may have been the person most responsible for implanting the spirit of anti-Semitism that let Germans dehumanize and slaughter millions of people. Between 1923 and 1945, Streicher published "Der Stuermer" ("The Stormtrooper"), and spoke wherever he could to instill this deadly spirit into everyone he could reach. He especially liked to address schoolchildren, and would get them so conditioned that when he asked if they knew who the enemy of Germany was, they would shout, "The Jew! The Jew!" Streicher was hanged with the Nazi leaders for publishing this fact-free newspaper that did more than anything else to prepare the way for the Nazi death machines. A typical issue of "Der Stuermer" was described as "nothing but an incitement to the people of Germany who read it, an incitement to murder. It is filled with pictures of murder. It is an encouragement to all who read it to avenge themselves in the same way."
At his trial in Nuremberg, the prosecution said that while Streicher was not directly involved in the physical commission of these deadly crimes against humanity, "his crime is no less worse for that reason.... It was to the task of educating and poisoning the people with hate, and of producing murderers, that Streicher set himself. For 25 years, he continued unrelentingly the perversion of the people and youth of Germany. He went on and on as he saw the results of his work bearing fruit. In the early days, he was preaching persecution. As persecution took place, he preached extermination and annihilation and, as millions of Jews were exterminated and annihilated in the Ghettos of the East, he cried out for more and more.
"The crime of Streicher is that he made these crimes possible, which they would never have been had it not been for him and for those like him. In its extent Streicher's crime is probably greater and more far-reaching than that of any of the other defendants. The misery which they caused ceased with their capture. The effects of this man's crime, of the poison that he has put into the minds of millions of young boys and girls goes on, for he concentrated upon the youth and childhood of Germany. He leaves behind him a legacy of almost a whole people poisoned with hate, sadism, and murder, and perverted by him. That people will remain a problem and perhaps a menace to the rest of civilization for generations to come."
Against that historical background, consider just a few of these sound bites:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. [Her suggestion for dealing with the Middle East.]
Liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.
"I don't really like to think of [the murder of Dr. Tiller] as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.... I am personally opposed to shooting abortionists, but I don't want to impose my moral values on others." [On the murder of Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller, FOX News interview, June 22, 2009.]
"We just want Jews to be perfected, as they say." [Arguing that it would be better if we were all Christian.]
"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."
"Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole."
"There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats."
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"
"I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo."
"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it.... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out of him." [Responding to the question, "What would people do for $50 million?," "The Glenn Beck Program," May 17, 2005.]
"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." ["The Glenn Beck Program," September 9, 2005.]
"The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." ["The Glenn Beck Program," September 9, 2005.]
"This president I think has exposed himself over and over again as a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.... I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist." [On President Obama, sparking an advertiser exodus from his FOX News show.]
"Progressivism is the cancer in America and it is eating our Constitution, and it was designed to eat the Constitution, to progress past the Constitution."
"The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit."
"The feminist movement was created to allow ugly women access to the mainstream of society"
"Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along"
"When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult; it's an invitation."
"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back"
"They vote with their vaginas"
"If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people - I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do - let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."
The spirit of these three Americans is the same spirit that filled Streicher. It is a spirit of hateful bigotry, preparing the way for these vulgar sentiments to become deadly atrocities. The overwhelming majority of Americans, like the overwhelming majority of Germans, are far better than this. We need to respond, not by stooping to the same level, but by reminding ourselves that the better angels of our nature call us to a higher standard. A great nation is at stake.
Wow that was a long post.
But...I take it to mean you're saying Beck and Coulter and Limbaugh are racist Nazi-like perverted-minded people?
You should've looked no further than the current President Obama. He's a much closer example of those attributes.
Brenda Durham - You must be a die-hard Republican to be so defensive. Beck and others like him (Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter) have taken the media and corrupted it beyond repair. These people are nothing more than left-over, loud mouthed, self-important cronies of George Bush or King George as I call him.
I am a die-hard Republican, yes.
But I'm not sure Beck is.
If you really think Bush was a tyrant, WHY do you ignore Obama's blatant tyranny?
I see it , but like with King George, what can I do about it? I'm neither Democrate nor Republican. I'm completely unbiased.
I'd say unbased instead.
Don't you think one should have a basic set of political principles they stand on?
Not trying to be critical; just asking.
...and what media do you watch...the liberal media can be just as bad, and worse in their own special way
Something like that. Loehr is saying it. He's a protestant minister.
personally, I don't think much of Beck, Coulter or Limbaugh...I think they are pretty low in their words and humor, twisting things all up and causing trouble. What happened to the decent Christian attitude to forgive or to fight an honorable fight?
they are not helpful, except to show us how not to be...their message is too distracting from the true message that needs to be heard...then again, most liberals don't relay the true message either...
one side lost the holy sense of cause and the other side hasn't found it...
Yall forgot the one and only, die-hard, unique................
He's so radical, he makes Rush look like pink lamb!!!
you say new political party, you might change the name but you will still have same old people
Republicans and Democrates have traded power for 140 years. The least we as Americans could do is give The Green Party, Independants, Contitutionalists, or just anyone with a platform that differs from the status quo. And if we as Americans just want to laugh off anyone else, saying thier crazy or they would'nt change anything ect...ect... Then we just stay with what we have, and we desearve exactly what we get!
Government officials are being terrorized, why? This was the question correct? I do not believe that anyone should be terrorized, beaten, being called out of name, rear-ended, harassed, taunted, or abused all because of a bill being passed. What happened to one Nation under God? What happened to United We stand? We should get back to what are Country was founded on and not harm anyone regardless if they are governmental or individual for there choices or beliefs. We appear to be childish when other Countries see the actions of American citizens. Last time I checked our Country stood for Leadership for other Countries. I do not care if our neighbors voted Republican, Democrat or remained unbiased those are choices and that is part of our freedom. Regardless they are still our friends! (We) Americans need to grow up and be a part of the solution not the problem!
I guess we should have inflicted are rights to demonstrate a long time ago. Funny how it is terrorism. The 21st centurys go-to-word, TERROR.
Has a Republican ring to it, doesn't it?
I'm with Friendlyword.
The time to be angry was 2001. Have to wonder, why now? Just when things are looking up! I think we are experiencing the natural aftershocks of deregulation, trickle-down and that disgusting rogue regime. More people are just feeling the hurt now, but it's been going on for a very long time.
What gets me, is the ones they want back in office are the ones who created this mess.
And the way they're seeking to do it is through violence?
What else is new.
Put a reign on your crazies before someone gets killed.
This from the person who boasts about "hating" her fellow Americans?
"THE RAGE IS NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE" a few quotes from Frank Rich's op-ed today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opini … jEW1t8YPHw
"There's nothing entertaining about watching goons hurl venemous slurs at congressmen like the civil rights hero John Lewis and the openly gay Barney Frank. And as the week dragged n, and reports of death threats and vandalism stretched from Arizona to Kansas to upstate New York, the FBI and local police had to get into the act to protect members of Congress and their families.
"How curious that a mob found of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn't recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The Weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far...
"...The bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal observed last week, the bill's prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas...
"Yet its this bill that inspired GOP congressmen on the House floor to egg on disruptive protesters even as they were being evicted from the gallery by the Capitol Police last Sunday. It's this bill that prompted a congressman to shout "baby killer" at Bart Stupak, a staunch anti-abortion Democrat. It's this bill that drove a demonstrator to spit on Emmanuel Cleaver, a black representative from Missouri....
"When LBJ scored his Medicare coup, there were the inevitable cries of 'socialism' along with ultimately empty rumblings of a boycott from the American Medical Association...
"But there was nothing like this. To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails...
"The apocalyptic predictions then, like those about health care now, were all framed in constitutional pieties, of course. Barry Goldwater, running for President in '64, drew on the counsel of two young legal allies, William Rehnquist and Robert Bork, to characterize the civil rights bill as a 'threat to the very essence of our basic system' and as a "usurpation of states rights that 'would force you to admit drunks, a known murderer or an insane person into your place of business.' Richard Russell, the segregationist Democratic senator from Georgia, said the bill 'would destroy the free enterprise system.' David Lawrence, a widely syndicated conservative columnist, bemoaned the establishment of 'a federal dictatorship. Meanwhile three civil rights workers were murdered in Philadelphia, Mississippi...
"...and they can't pretend that we're talking about a 'fringe' utterly divorced from the GOP. A Quinnipiac poll last week found that 74 percent of the Tea Party members identify themselves as Republicans or Republican-leaning independents, while only 16 percent are aligned with Democrats...
"After the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, some responsible
leaders of both parties spoke out to try to put a lid on the resistance and violence. the arch-segregationist Russell of Georgia, concerned about what might happen in his own backyard, declared flatly that the law 'is now on the books.' Yet no Republican or conservative leader of stature has taken on Palin, Perry, Boehner or any of the others who have been stoking these fires for a good 17 months now. Last week even McCain even endorsed Palin's 'reload' rhetoric...."
Yes, sab oh is a troll. A stalking troll as a matter of fact, isn't that right sab oh?
Rumored to work for a very right wing organization if my intuition is correct.
And who can deny he is a right wing nut?
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