"Border agent shot dead in Arizona, four arrested": Yahoo!

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   fishskinfreak2008posted 14 years ago

   Web-site/URL: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101215/us_ … a_shooting
   
   This will only give more ammunition to people who support JOHN MCCAIN'S message to "Complete the danged fence" (Web-site/URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0lwusMxiHc). The Arizona anti-immigration law, which says that people can be thrown out of the US just because they LOOK LIKE an illegal immigrant, will surely be in front of the Supreme Court for a long time.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Don't you think "More Ammuntion" was a bad choice of words, considering the topic?

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      Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "The Arizona anti-immigration law, which says that people can be thrown out of the US just because they LOOK LIKE an illegal immigrant"
      
      Is that what the law says?
      
      I'm totally against that kind of law.
      
      Horrible, horrible men and women wrote that law.
      
      What does an illegal immigrant look like anyway?

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         Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't understand why, if they're illegal immigrants, they keep flying their national flag yet they don't stay there.

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            Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Don't you remember.
            
            The Southwest belongs to them.
            
            So its their land.

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               Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I think the Native Americans have something to say about that.

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                  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Incredibly ignorant statements from both of you.

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                     Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     How so Ron?

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                        Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Read and try to comprehend the history of this region.  You'll get it eventually.

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                           Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't have to read history to know what La Raza has said about the Southwest.

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                              Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              La Raza, oy!  If Mexicans took over New Mexico and Arizona and the border stopped at Oklahoma, the illegals will still come over because it's not about the land, it's about which has the more effective gov't system.

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         fishskinfreak2008posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         BINGO

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         thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It's not what the law says, the law is to do with racial profiling, but thats because not many non mexicans spend 3-4 days trying to sneak across the border with only 2 gallons of water between 4 men.
         
         They are not instantly deported, but they are asked to provide identification (drivers licence would do) so that their records can be checked.
         
         This is just another way to try and crack down on illegal immigration, but as a US immigrant myself, I can kind of understand why it is so hard for mexicans to come up with the money required.
         
         Immigration can be a problem though, some immigrants come to a country expecting work and find none, turning to crime.  Some people cross borders with the intention of crime (a particular worry with the current drug problem in Mexico) and there is also the problem that foreigners working in a different country often send money home, weakening the economy.
         
         Some of these issues have been particularly relevent in the UK over the last decade, since it has been one of the few major countries to accept large numbers of immigrants from the weaker EU states, and now it is paying for it.
         
         I am all for immigration, but keep it legal.

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   psycheskinnerposted 14 years ago

   RIP Agent Brian A. Terry who worked a difficult job in an area known for drug trafficking.

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   Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

   The border agents are so few in number.  We should get the army to reinforce them.  The Mexican gov't has not been effective in controlling and arresting their drug traffickers.

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      couturepopcafeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The Mexican government wants in on the lawsuit against Arizona.  They whine about what it takes to keep drug traffikers down.  They don't enforce laws.  Don't expect anything out of them.  The front line of defense is the border and I agree, the military should be there.

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         C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I disagree with placing US Troops on our own soil. However, I do believe that the border States should have funded and trained their own militia to tackle this issue. I know, it sounds unfair, but look at the alternative. Do you realy want to set a precident of longterm martial law?

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            Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Whether it is the US Army or the Arizona National Guard or Texas Rangers, it doesn't really matter to me as long as the Border Patrol has some kind of reinforcement that will be able to deal with the traffickers.

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               C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I do like what Texas is doing. They have created their own "border task force" they defend their own borders. They believe in states rights and they are practicing that belief. Simply writing legislation is not going to stop the problem.

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                  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Especially when that said legislation is being undermined by your own federal government.

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                     C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Agreed. However the legislation was flawed in that it only required them to investigate based on probable cause. That's the slipery slope that has gotten them into trouble. Had they simply created a task force and defended their border(not the Federal Border) this would not be an issue today. Granted, the Fed should not be a roadblock to security....

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                        Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Texas, though has a much healthier economy and can afford the Task Force, probably.  I don't think Arizona is in the same economic position.

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                           Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Thats what happens when you don't have liberals running your state.
                           
                           A healthy economy.

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                              Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              You can say that again.  California anyone?

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                                 Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 "California anyone?"
                                 
                                 
                                 No thanks.

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                        Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        "However the legislation was flawed in that it only required them to investigate based on probable cause. That's the slipery slope that has gotten them into trouble."
                        
                        I'm not sure why that is a slippery slope.
                        
                        All crimes are investigated because of probable cause.
                        
                        If the law read you had to identify everyone who looks hispanic then you would have a slippery slope.
                        
                        Actually you would have slid right to the Supreme Court faster than its going now.
                        
                        But, it doesn't say that, no matter what the hysterical left says.

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                           C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Because we have allowed the flawed idea of "Special Classes" to infaltrate out law as well as our thinking.  Probable Cause, when applied to a protected class is often termed "Profiling". While I disagree, it is what it is. This threat(illegal immigration/drug trafficking) is too serious to mistake movement for action. Border security is what we need. Not more work for police. Work that will only land them in court.

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            thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            as opposed to placing US troops on foreign soil?

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               C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Our country has laws to address troop deployment. Deploying troops from the Federal Military is not allowed unless there is a case for Martial Law. Using our Military to enforce foriegn policy is a different issue. While I disagree with the idea, it does have a stronger legal leg to stand on.

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         Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         They whine because they want more dollars to pad their pockets.  The corruption in Mexico is past imagining.  You have a country that is a major oil producer and who have received help in the form of major manufacturers from the US moving there to take advantage of the cheaper costs and still this lame Mexican government can't be effective.

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   rotlposted 14 years ago

   I guess now we should ban immigration to the U.S. and deport all immigrants, legal and illegal. At least that's the argument some will surely make.

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why would you deport legal immigrants?

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         rotlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Because they are big bad scary immigrants with weird skin colors and funny names.

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            Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You seem not to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration and drug traffickers.

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         psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Because we're over here stealing your jobs.

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            Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well if you are stealing jobs then by all means you should be deported. If however, you're legal and you offer skills that employer finds worthy of hiring I don't see why you should be deported.

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               psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I am entirely legal under the 'skilled worker' category, I am just offering the reason people use on me.

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                  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Well there is another discourse entirely about how the foreign skilled workers category does take jobs away from the domestic work force because the employers don't want to pay the higher salaries, but I don't think they should blame you for it.  They were just rude.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Actually that is another issue again.  I am on a very generous salary due to being a highly qualified (PhD) specialist.  But thank you for demonstrating my point that some people think any immigrant worker is a job stealer.

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                        Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't think it's much of a point, a majority of people think it's okay to hire a foreigner with special skills.  There are always some people who see a foreigner working here as someone who steals jobs that an American should have.  They have a point too, we are assuming no American can do your job because it's so special and they had to hire you.  No one can really second guess an employer on that.  I know that there are highly qualified Americans unemployed right now.  I'm thinking that you are here on one of those special work visas?

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                           psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Indeed I am.  And I think another perspective would be that an American company should have the right to hire the best possible person for the job, as they see it.  But this whole thing came up because of a question about whether some people are against all immigrants.  I can tell you, this is certainly true.  Some people are.  Although technically I am not even an immigrant, I am a non-resident alien here to do a job. Plenty of people assume I am here to stay, assume I am a job stealer, assume I am not just the best person for a job or--as your comment implied--assume I am working for less than an America  would.  People like to make assumptions about other people that fit their view of the world.

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                              C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Of course your statement is true. It's also not unique to the US.

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                                 psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Certainly not.  And my home country (NZ) has even more silly laws on this issue.  A foreigner can't take a job of there is a qualified national--even if that person refuses to apply for the job.  Crazy.

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                              Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Well of course any foreigner would want an American company to hire the best employee regardless of their legality or nationality.  They wouldn't be here if the salaries weren't higher than in their home countries.  And no one is disagreeing that there are SOME Americans against all immigrants but you would find that behavior in other countries as well.  And normally, foreigners with special skills have what they consider a high salary but an American usually knows to negotiate at the higher end for the same kind of position.  Employers like to hire foreign skilled workers because it's for a specific length of time and in the end it's usually cheaper.  That's been my experience anyway.

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And who said anything about banning immigration?

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      Jim Hunterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Who will make that argument?

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   Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

   Well Im staying out of the Political debate ,but feel incredibly sad for the dead agent and his loved ones!
   
   Unnecessary loss.

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   mega1posted 14 years ago

   Well, Germany had their damn wall, why can't us American fascists have our fence?  I mean. Really. It's only faaaaaiiiiiiiierrrr!

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think you're right.  Other countries have such fascistic employment policies for foreigners, something that psycheskinner pointed out was ridiculous.  I think we should be just as restrictive.  That would be fair.

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