Politicizing The Tuscon Shooting

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  1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
    BillyDRitchieposted 12 years ago

    In the wake of the Tuscon shooting, I posted on my Facebook page and will repeat it here.

    "Anyone, ANYONE, who politicizes the events in Tuscon last Saturday, from either side, aren't worth a minute of your time.

    Screw GOP or Dem, lib or con, right or left....we are all Americans on this day, and we are better than this."

    Of course that hasn't stopped certain talking heads from giving it the old college try, but I am hoping most rational people can see through such baloney.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The assassination of an elected Congressman is inherently a political act similar to if not the equivalent of the recent assassination of a governor in Pakistan by someone who disagreed with his policies. The difference is that Loughner is mentally ill which apparently was not the case with the Pakistani assassin.

      1. thisisoli profile image73
        thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I think it depends on what your definition of mentally ill is.

      2. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        If your group uses imagery of  gunsight crosshairs and revolution..

        If your member in Congress, Michelle Bachman declares members should be 'armed and dangerous'

        If the queen of your party, Sarah Palin has as the battle cry 'RELOAD!'

        If those are the features of your Tea Party - and they ARE -

        then after a bloodbath which leaves a democrat congresswoman with a bullet to the brain and a 9-year old in a small coffin, and 5 other slain innocents, you want to move past it as quickly as possible.

        We understand why.

        1. profile image56
          C.J. Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Don't forget a FEDERAL JUDGE.

        2. Jim Hunter profile image60
          Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Your side used it in 2004, bulls-eye on a map that said "targeted".

          While your side screams about "rhetoric" and "vitriol" you are on this forum daily spreading your rhetoric and vitriol.

          Your side complains talk radio and FOX news is inflaming the "wingnut" "racist" Tea Party never once realizing that is exactly the definition of inflaming, ironic huh?

          Its just this simple, your side does not want the people engaged, your side believes they know best and we should stay in our place and let the experts handle things.

          Unfortunately for us and you, the experts you chose are amazingly stupid.

    2. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I couldn't agree more!

    3. thisisoli profile image73
      thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is refreshing to see somebody who is looking at the tradgedy and not the politics.

      While it was a political shooting it did absoltely nothing to change anything.

      I feel sorry for the families of those who lost people that day.

    4. KFlippin profile image60
      KFlippinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well said, but in fact it has been grossly politicized, not just for a day, but ad nauseum for days, and something tells me that she will herself be the most grievously apalled at what the far left has done.  Very sad.

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        How is it that you can read the Congresswoman's mind while she's in the hospital. Amazing.  Of course, it would be pretty sick.. is that the right word? - demented - to attribute your own opinions to someone you never met....

        1. KFlippin profile image60
          KFlippinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, it in fact would be, I merely speculated, while the sick left wing liberals have been presenting their thoughts as actual fact.  Quite different, quite sad, and I have no doubt that Obama will lay all that political talk to rest and have no doubt that he will chastise the leftists extremists in his party for their quick rush to judgement, their quick all knowing sick and demented insight into the SHOOTERs mind, quite sick, quite demented, quite sad.  I look forward to Obama making it clear it was very very out of line.

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I can only speak for myself - something you should try - but I have not characterized the motives of the shooter as pro-tea-party. I have been critical of the Tea Party for use of violent imagery  and rhetoric - and the way that's contributed to the radical polarization in the USA.

            1. KFlippin profile image60
              KFlippinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              ??  Well done and informative.

            2. Jim Hunter profile image60
              Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              "I have been critical of the Tea Party for use of violent imagery  and rhetoric"

              By doing the exact thing you claim they are.


      2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I guess she hates her father then...

    5. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "Anyone, ANYONE, who politicizes the events in Tuscon last Saturday, from either side, aren't worth a minute of your time."

      "Rush Limbaugh: Jared Loughner Has 'Full Support' Of Democratic Party"

      I hope you mean it, and people will stop listening to this dangerous person. I won't hold my breathe though.

      1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
        BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Well, let's see, who has been trying with every waking moment to tie the shooter to the GOP?   Would it be...the Democrats?

        Stating what is obviously a fact doesn't exactly fall into the category of politicizing.

        Now if Rush were trying to make the left responsible for the shooter's actions, that would be another story....

      2. Jim Hunter profile image60
        Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        ""Rush Limbaugh: Jared Loughner Has 'Full Support' Of Democratic Party""

        I don't know about the entire democrat party but he has the full support of the Sheriff of the County he lived in.

  2. Me, Steve Walters profile image82
    Me, Steve Waltersposted 12 years ago

    Here, Here, BillyDRitchie: My sentiments exactly...well said!

  3. Flightkeeper profile image66
    Flightkeeperposted 12 years ago

    BillyD, it was fairly obvious from the very first thread about the Giffords shooting that hubbers and talkings heads will politicize it.  I refuse to engage in it. This is why I had only one post on the first thread and this my only post on this thread.

    1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
      BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This is why I stayed out of it.

      I remember Reagan on the operating table after his assassination attempt, telling the doctrs "I hope you're all Republicans".  The doctor (who was a Democrat) said "We're all Republicans today, Mr. President".

      That level of class is sorely missing from much of the discussion on this issue....

  4. Mighty Mom profile image78
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    Yes, I can definitely see how Ms. Giffords would decry her own party on this. Makes TOTAL SENSE.

  5. Jane@CM profile image61
    Jane@CMposted 12 years ago

    I look at it as a tragedy for all involved in the shooting.  A heart wrenching human tragedy, not a political tragedy.

  6. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Yeah, then there's Russsshhhhh, who said that Democrats were hoping for something like this. He doesn't have an audience, does he? Not to mention how they are all falling over themselves to blame the left for this.

    As if NOTHING they did was even REMOTELY connected to it.
    No of course not, now move on so we can go back and do it again.

    gvt is evil   dems are evil   libs are evil    Obama is evil   get your guns...guns....guns...   buy bullets bullets over the ballot  bullets over the ballot  we want our country back....our country....our country....

    But don't blame yourselves when people take it to heart.

    1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
      BillyDRitchieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Does anyone besides me place Lovemychris on the list of people that we fully expect to snap at some point?

      Can you imagine what he/she is like in real life?


  7. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    "our ideas and ideals are stronger than the scare/smear/defame tactics of the leftists we face."

    Tea Party Express

    another one, today.

  8. larryprice5372 profile image61
    larryprice5372posted 12 years ago

    I am disgusted with the news media (ABC, CBS, NBC) and their politicizing this shooting.  People now realize how much the Democratic Party controls the Mainstream Media and are probably fightend by it.  If not they should be.

    I believe the next election will show just how fed up we are with the party line parroting, and agenda pushing that goes on from the left.

    I was very sorry it went the way it did.  And so quickly, less than thirty (30) minutes.

    Wake up everyone.  We can't have one party with a monopoly on the press.

    Vote right in 2012.

    1. Doug Hughes profile image60
      Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Let me guess. You know that the media (ABC, CBS, NBC) is controlled by the democrats because....

      you hear it on Fox..

      You are fair and impartial, like they, and you offered just as much evidence to support your distorted view.

      1. Pcunix profile image92
        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Not to mention how Orwellian that is..

        1. larryprice5372 profile image61
          larryprice5372posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You are right.  It's very Orwellian.

          Democrats feel they are what the "Bell Curve" described as the "Cognitive Elite".  It's funny about that study, it was produced by a leftist Congressional intent to answer this question: "With the increase in technology now and in the future, and with persons cognitively unable to compete, what problems will the country be facing, and what are the solutions."

          When that question was answered by the publishing of a study to Congress and a book called the "Bell Curve", ugly IQ facts became known and caused serious controversy.  William J. Clinton at first embraced the findings and suggetions in the book, but quickly dropped the hot potato for public image reasons.

          Since that Democratic creation was published, you can see that it's being followed in Orwellian fashion, like the Wizard of Oz, it's suggested solutions are being implemented in the background.  Read the book with special emphasis on the last five chapters, where the summary of problems and solutions come forward.

          More than you asked for, I know.

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If you are suggesting that most democrats are smarter than most  teabaggers, you are setting the bar pretty low.

            1. larryprice5372 profile image61
              larryprice5372posted 12 years agoin reply to this


              My suggestion is that the Democrats think they are smarter than anyone who doesn't swollow their agenda, or ideals.

              There is a general intellectual elitism that exudes like poison from them.  Everyone is too stupid to make their own decisions, so the socialist intelligencia will do it for you.  That is the palpable attitude which surrounds them now.

              That is what reeks in the current administration.

  9. Mighty Mom profile image78
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    The Democratic Party does not control any media! Check it out.

    GENERAL ELECTRIC - NBC (In  they 2000 donated 1.1 million to George W Bush for his election campaign)

    TV Holdings:
    * NBC: Owns outright 13 stations and many affiliates, Market penetration: 28% of US households.
    * NBC Network News: Owns The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline.
    * CNBC business network, MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by  both NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
    The MS  in MSNBC  stands for Microsoft, Bill Gate's Microsoft donated 2.4 million in 2000 to get George W Bush elected.

    Other Holdings:
    * GE Consumer Electronics and Household Products and components used in military electronics..
    * GE Power Systems, which makes turbines for nuclear reactors, wind turbines,  "clean" coal technology.
    * GE Plastics: produces military hardware for fighter jets, ships and nuclear power equipment.
    * GE Transportation Systems: manufactures engines and diesel and electric locomotives.


    Westinghouse Electric Company, part of of the large Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels.
    Which is Headed By Frank Carlucci of the Carlyle Group. A group with very strong ties to the Bush Administration.

    TV Holdings:
    * CBS: Owns outright 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
    * CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News, CBS Morning News.
    * Country Music Television, The Nashville Network.
    * Group W Satellite Communications.
    Other Holdings:
    * Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry including owning 4 nuclear plants, waste disposal and transport.


    (Donated $640,000  to George W Bush's 2000 political campaign)
    TV  Holdings:
    * ABC: includes 10 stations outright, many affiliates,  Penetration in the market: 24% of US households.
    * ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
    * ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as smaller holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
    * Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
    Other Major Media Holdings.
    * Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
    * Major Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, Discover.
    * Three recording labels, twelve major local newspapers.
    * Hyperion books.
    * Infoseek  search engine.

    Major shareholders include Sid R. Bass, oil and gas baron.

    Disney's environmental and social record: Source wikipedia.org

        * The company has been accused of human rights violations regarding the working conditions in factories that produce their merchandise.  Numerous environmental groups in Florida and California have criticized development procedures used in building theme parks including damage to wetlands.

        * An environmental management plan for a zone of Great Guana Cay, in the Abaco Islands, criticized Disney for poor management of a 90-acre (36.4 ha) tract of the island. Disney partially developed but then abandoned the place, which was to have been a cruise ship resort called Treasure Island. The report, by the University of Miami and the College of the Bahamas, blames Disney for leaving hazardous materials, electrical transformers, and fuel tanks, and for introducing invasive alien plants and insects that threaten the natural flora and fauna of the island.

    TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (In 2000 they donated 1.6 million to George Bush's political campaign)

    America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner which was the largest  merger in corporate history.
    TV Holdings:
    * CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central.
    * Largest  cable system owner  with an estimated 13 million households.
    Media Holdings:
    * HBO  Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
    * Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI.
    * Thirty three major magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People Magazine, In Style, Fortune, The Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life Magazne, DC Comics, MAD Magazine.
    Other  major  corporation Holdings:
    * Sports Teams and Wrestling: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.

    Now For The "Conservative News Media"      "The real Darth Vader?"

    Why did Australian Rupert Murdoch forsake his native country and become a U.S. citizen? Reportedly it was because he could save on taxes and start over in virgin territory after leaving behind so much scorched earth in the Australian economy as he laid waste to his business opponents and bought up media outlets. Or perhaps  it was just so he could get around foreign media ownership laws. (Which no longer exist.)

    Does a Saudi billionaire actually have the power to control the news on the Fox network, of which he is a part owner?

    NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch, numerous donations. On Board of Directors of Phillip Morris, Phillip Morris Donated 2.9 million to Bush's campaign.
    Major Television Holdings:
    * Fox Television: includes 22  major and many affiliate stations, Penetration into  more than 60% of US households.
    * Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia, IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%), major owner of DirecTV.
    * The Golf Channel (33%).
    Other Major Media Hodings:
    * Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
    * 132 major newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
    * Owns 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
    * Owns HarperCollins books.
    Othe Major Corporation Holdings around the word:
    * Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
    * Ansett Australia airline, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
    * Rupert Murdoch is on the Board of Directors of Philip Morris, a major Bush donor.

    It's no surprise that corporate robber baron Rupert Murdoch is a major Bush supporter but who else owns Fox News?  Prince al-Walid bin Talal owns 5.5% of Fox News.

    Prince al- Walid bin Talal  stated recently that he used his influence to change Fox's headlines.   During the recent  riots  in Muslim neighborhoods in France  Fox was using the term "Muslim Riots" to describe rioting by Muslim youths and Prince bin Talal claims that called Fox News had them change the title of the story to "Youth Riots". Source. worldnetdaily.com

    In another instance, where supposedly conservative Fox News should have been up in arms, was the deal by a United Arab Emirates holding company to buy U.S. ports. Suddenly Fox went from being against the deal to very supportive of a deal that would have put US container ports in foreign hands. A U.A.E. sovereign wealth fund also owns major shares of Fox.

    The "good ole boys" that hang on every word that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly utters might not be so happy when they hear who is whispering in their idol's ears.

    The Council On Foreign Relations and What It Has To Do With Corporate Control Of The News

    What do Dan Rather, Barbara Walters, Jim Lehrer, Rupert Murdoch, Tom Brokaw  and the late William F. Buckley have in common? They are all members of the CFR, The Council On Foreign Relations.  The stated goal of the CFR is to manipulate the News to bring about a new world order or corporate control of everything. This is not some weird conspiracy theory, it is stated in their original charter.
    Who else belongs to the CFR, Disney's Michael Eisner and ABC's Thomas Murphy, Tom Johnson, CEO of CNN, Time Warner's Gerald Levine, and many, many more media CEO's who have merged their empires under the CFR's guidance.

  10. profile image0
    SirDentposted 12 years ago

    . . . and yet, another useless thread is born. . .

  11. Mighty Mom profile image78
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    The media will say anything, prolong controversy, present points to get people emotionally charged and upset, as long as
    a) what they say is factual and fully corroborated
    b) they are reporting the news with sincere journalistic integrity
    c) doing so increases viewership, ratings and CORPORATE profits

    Ding ding ding! *NEWSFLASH*
    The correct answer is 'c.'

  12. larryprice5372 profile image61
    larryprice5372posted 12 years ago

    Well, all you have to do is watch the mainstream media to see for yourself.

    It's proven minute by minute in front of your eyes.

  13. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    "The Tea Party Express recently came under rhetorical fire for attempting to raise funds off public reaction to the mass shootings in Tucson, Arizona. A fundraising email suggested that the suspected shooter, Jared Loughner, was a liberal."

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "Tea Party Leader Surprised by Death Threat From Tucson Shooting Victim

      Published January 16, 2011


      In this photo released by ABC-TV, ABC News correspondent Christiane Amanpour leads a town hall event at the St. Odilia Church in Tucson, Ariz., during a taping of "This Week." The event brought together members of the community and residents who were involved in the shooting in Tucson on Jan. 8, and led to one of the injured being arrested for threatening a Tea Party leader.

      The co-founder of the Tucson Tea Party said he is worried about the threats he is receiving, including a remark by a shooting victim made to him at a televised town hall meeting.

      Trent Humphries told The Associated Press on Sunday he was surprised when shooting victim James Eric Fuller took a picture of him and said "you're dead."

      The 63-year-old Fuller was arrested Saturday on disorderly conduct and threat charges and taken for a psychiatric exam.

      Authorities say he began ranting at the end of ABC News' forum, at one point calling the audience "[censored]." The show, videotaped at St. Odilia's Catholic Church in Tucson, featured victims, witnesses, emergency responders and some of those hailed as heroes after the Jan. 8 shooting in which six people were killed and 14 injured.

      Fuller was one of 19 people shot as was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically injured but whose recovery so far has been called miraculous."

      More liberal HATE?

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Well, he was a victim of that shooting....he obviously blames these tea-party people and wants to get back at them....a little retributive justice, perhaps?
        Like some are calling for with Loughner?

  14. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

    Speaking on his radio show Thursday, Limbaugh slammed the panelists--which, on the night of the speech, were Brit Hume, Charles Krauthammer and Chris Wallace--for their positive comments.

    "They were slobbering over it for the predictable reasons," he said. "It was smart, it was articulate, it was oratorical. It was, it was all the things the educated, ruling class wants their members to be and sound like."

    On Thursday night's "Special Report," host Bret Baier played the Limbaugh clip and asked Krauthammer--who had called the speech "quite remarkable and extremely effective"--for his reaction.

    "As one of the three slobberers...I find it interesting that only the ruling class wants a president who is smart articulate and oratorical in delivering a funeral oration," Krauthammer said. "It's an odd and rather condescending view of what the rest of America is looking for in their president.

    Yeah Krauthammer....what we've been sayin!! Rather condescending view they have of the "other"!!

    1. larryprice5372 profile image61
      larryprice5372posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely right on the money.

      You are too smart to be a real Republican.  Ha Ha smile  I enjoy reading well said truth and you've nailed it to a tee.

      The Dim's condescend to the Tea Baggers, and absolutely ignore their apposing party.

      Now they want Republicans to sit by them in Chambers.

      Watch what the Dim's do with this new toy they've created.

  15. Mighty Mom profile image78
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    That's not how I interpreted Eric Fuller's response and arrest. I didn't get that he blamed the Tea Party for being shot.
    I got the impression that he became incenses when the Tea Party guy shouted out some comment about delaying any discussion of gun control until after all the funerals.
    There has been discussion in the media that Mr. Fuller is suffering from PTSD.
    Still, I don't think threatening the Tea Party dude with "you're dead" is defensible. Unfortunate. Ironic, maybe. Sad, definitely.


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