Freedom of assembly is a basic right expressed by the United States Constitution. Therefore, public employees deserve to be allowed to organize to protect themselves from crooks, like Wisconsin's current chief executive. Therefore, the recent actions by said governor and his cronies in the Wisconsin State Legislature, tearing apart public employee unions, are unconstitutional.
"public employees deserve to be allowed to organize to protect themselves from crooks"
The Wisconsin tax payer is a crook?
I totally agree with you. But the sad thing is, he doesn't care how many working people he hurts to try to get rid of Obama. What it is about is hitting the due paid to the union that will be used to help the Democratic party. It isn't bad enough that the corporations and he billionaires have the Republicans in their pockets, they are trying to stop the pittance of union dues.
How do you feel about said assemblies making death threats to the Governor and state Senate Republicans in Wisconsin ? Protected speech right ?
They should have brought guns! Really give a good tit-for-tat!
I would like to point out, that at more than one of the Obama Rallies, that people actually brought weapons. This was during the election cycle, and later on when he did his town-to-town to lobby for HealthCare.
That being said, the Death Threats, being reported by FOX, seem to be legitimate. And as much, no one overtly threatened Obama during the election cycle, that I know of. The credibility of FOX is open to debate, however.
How many cases of Constitutional law have you argued before the Supreme Court?
Really? That's a bit of a stretch isn't it? No ones rights have been taken away... in fact your rights to assemble have been more than accomodated as your marxist group of thugs occupied the capitol for days on end causing millions of dollars in damage! You want to talk about rights where is the right to work WITHOUT joining your union? This corruption had to be undone and I fully support Wallker and the republicans actions... your greedy group of thugs got what you deserved!
Awesome Lady_love !!!! I agree fully and you nailed it !
Are you out of your ever lovin' mind? MILLIONS in damages??
If you are going to lie, go whole hog. Say BILLIONS! No, I got a better lie. They did a Trillion dollars in damages with goons imported from another PLANET! The liberals can't prove it's a lie so you WIN!
I love to see the left lose......it makes me sleep so good at night.
That must explain why you're so bad tempered-shortage of sleep
Absolutely right David!! Furthermore, he was supposed to give 24 hr notice before he pulled that stunt, and he didn't.He is a taker of rights, for the benefit of Republicorp, whose goal is to make us the new global cheap labor pool....as well as destroying the Democrats big money donors, who are the only ones who can compete with the big corporations.
It's a win win for him, but a lose for Americans.
Put on your glasses America....you are looking at your enemy!!!
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Yes the democrats biggest donors ... unwilling American taxpayers... will no longer be forced to unknowingly support socialists that steal from us!
So, Socialists don't pay taxes in the US!
And neither do Unionised workers!
Funny half of union workers polled supported republicans yet only 8% of unions contributions to candidates went to republicans... is that "fair"? I'm sure they do but I doubt even they would want that money used to elect candidates not of their chosing.
You are so wrong about that. I belonged to a union for 15 years, and every time an election came around, our union reps sent everyone in the union a list from pros and cons from both sides. They were very anti Bush, and have always urged everyone to vote democrat. So, whomever did this poll was probably at a republican polling station.
It exposed a lot of George Bushes lies when he was running against Gore, and again against Kerry. The unions in Michigan kept Jennifer Gramholm in Office, to keep out the greater evil, which is now our current republican jerk, who is attempting to follow the Wisconsin Gov, in squashing Unions here as well. You will find that most republican states are doing the same.
It is an attempt to bring wages down, and line their corporate buddies pockets with the huge amounts of cash they will make by being allowed to cut the average works paychecks by a third, with no Union power to stop them from doing it.
They claim having this extra money will allow them to hire more workers.
Bull Crap! They will do nothing more than raise their CEO's pay and further cut labor to make more money. Corporate america cares little about the working man, and were one of the biggest complainers about the raise in the minimum wage...Union or non Union.
The more that is done to hurt the american worker, we will have people working in factories for $5.00 an hour, while the owners of corporations
live like the Vanderbelts of the 1800s, while they continue to raise prices on their goods, even though nobody will be able to afford them.
The funny thing is, when the market crashes because of the massive poverty that result from it. Those corporate fat cats will find themselves in debt up to their eyeballs, and lose everything just like the rich of the 1800s did. And, the rest of us will laugh it them, and say I told you so!!
Guess what ? if you believe all that garbage you just spewed then your screwed because we are in power and their isn`t a damn thing you can do about it ! LOL
You know what I get a kick out of. That you responded so quickly to the accusation that folks on here were paid to blog/hub/forum for PACs, and denied it. However, looking over your profile.
I dont know. 7 Months, and only 3 hubs? This account has existed for 10 days and has 5x that amount already.
Public sector unions had a great deal going.....every 4 years they got to vote in the very politicians who would secure their pay and benefits for them! Liberalism is in fact a mental disorder!! and like pedophilia it is incurable!!
Yawn? .......our two ideologies will not be reconciled. I detest liberals and I don`t mind saying so. I am an extremist constitutional conservative and I see a day coming when we will need to forcefully defend our liberty once again from tyrannical Government drones like you. Our forefathers did it and so have many others through out human history. Drones like yourself are the most selfish of humanity and you will take from others what you have not earned by force using the police power of Government. You are the leeches on the ass of society and that`s all you are.
Really man, listen to yourself!
Full of hate and intolerance, as bad as any terrorist.
Its called passion idiot, something you brits never had.
Nah, we stopped expressing passion with a club millennia ago, it's plain shortage of sleep!
The American People are sadly deranged.
Of the Founding fathers, there was definately a liberal side (Jefferson and opposition to central banking), and Monroe (support of central banking). However, as political nature changed, the concept of a central bank has become a boon to government programs, and thus is more likely to be supported by Liberals
Washington was apolitical in many instances. He may have been considered the Centrist of his day.
Even Eisenhower, who was, during his time, a Republican. The Republicans controlled the house and the senate, and do you know what the tax rate was on every dollar above 400,000? 91%
90 cents out of every dollar. Ike was in favor of this taxation, to establish a balance of the books. No matter how much you might want to claim to balance the books, taxation is the only means. Whole generations of debt have built up, and the services provided by the debt you have enjoyed, whether liberal or conservative.
If you've ever gone to a church without fear of repression, you've enjoyed the military (which had its share of honorable serving liberals, including myself) protection provided by this debt. Every food product you eat is regulated by the FDA, which was afforded by this debt. Interstates.
Of course, you will not argue against those items. You will claim that it is because they are such a small balance of your life. However, the truth is, because you have used them. If you or your family were on work-fare, welfare, or medicare, you would support those programs.
It is however, your perogative to whine about products which you don't use (even though technically they are a form of social insurance; i.e. there in case you should need them). And if that is the basis of your argument, there is some legitimacy in that.
However, the fact that you support less taxation and less social services for those around you, does not make you selfless. Just in the same way that you can call a liberal selfish, they can say the same of you.
The Tax payers have rights also. Where are their rights in this mess?
Taxes are raised to pay the public employees who are part of the Union. Where is the Union and Union workers concern for the rest of American workers?
You wouldn't have any employment rights if not for unions. Research the history behind them.
Credit where credit is due... however I don't think the conditions that existed during the beginning of the industrial revolution would exist today union or not and to assume that they would if not for the union is a contention which can never be proved... sort of typical for liberal arguments like Obama's stimulus saving jobs!
Would the very low minimum wage survive.
Would the working hours directive survive.
Would health and safety be flouted.
If the dissolution of the Unions did have this affect, what would you do then?
I doubt if the cronies club would allow them to be reformed.
We don't need a minimum wage. Whose to say market forces for labor might not lead to even better benefits?
You must be kidding. Have you ever worked for 2.95 plus tips? These companies will never do MORE, that is why the minimum wage was established in the first place. They want as much work out of a man for the lease they can get away with. Unless you are a corrupt wall street trader of banker.
The Minimum Wage is a price floor. Therefore, if removed, the average wage will drop slightly, and specific jobs in America will drop significantly. It will likely be service jobs and agricultural.
You can argue that the minimum wage makes hiring illegals attractive. However, this is still a violation of the law, and is policed and regulated in its own way. Therefore there is incentive not to do so, considering the fines that can result.
However, one beneficial affect of lowering the minimum wage would be more people would be hired. However, the wage has already been proven to be very close to the point of diminishing returns, so, its debatable what reduction in unemployment this would actually cause.
Doubtful, when we introduced the minimum wage in the UK the right predicted massive job losses which just never happened! I'm sure that one or two people lost their jobs as a result of the minimum wage but there were so few as to be statistically insignificant.
I think it's fairly safe to predict from that that the reverse would have no effect either.
@holden.....unions are not the issue you typical moronic drone....its public sector unions, there is collusion between union employees and politicians that the taxpayers (the real boss) have no say so in. Now they do have a say so....now go back to watching Micheal Moore and Oprah.
And public sector union members don't pay taxes? Go back to reading your comics.
But doesn't Captain Underpants have words?
Might be a bit of a problem.
What a surprise .....your English, we kicked your buts and threw you to the curb once before ......or have you forgotten. You idiots still havn`t learned that socialism doesn`t work and you want to give us advice? Scam tea drinker!
Well, it was so long ago we could be forgiven for forgetting. We of course haven't learnt that socialism doesn't work because the type of socialism that we practice, that is Socialist/Capitalist, patently does work!
It only fails when we try to be too like you.
John Holden: You are absolutely right! The UK system works very well. These people, who argue against it are ignorant. In school, they were the kind that talked through class time, and frequently failed complete their homework (i.e., they are **dullards**).
The UK owes something in the way of 1.35 billion pounds. (2 Trillion USD) These are from 2 year old sources.
I think that the key to bringing up your primary deficit to a surplus probably involves nationalization. But also, to refine the way that all western societies think about lifestyle.
I think the debt won't matter as much, as long as you get a surplus going.
We had one at the end of 2000, however, it was given back to the American People in the form of tax cuts, while subsequently increasing military spending.
In our great state of NJ, Chris Christie is "cutting the fat" by getting rid of teachers and cops. So crime is way up. And I'm sure all those teachers making less than $45,000 a year are the ones bankrupting our state. His kids go to private schools. I'm sick of trust fund babies who have no clue how regular people live making rules. Do people forget if it were not for unions, child labor would be back? Minimum wage would never go up, and we would have more working poor who work two jobs and still cannot pay all their bills. Now we owe millions on a tunnel Christie decided we don't need, though we still have to pay the bill. He will be gone in the next election. And he gained 100 pounds since he was elected, he should stop eating at all the fund raisers.
Based upon your remarks, I seriously doubt that you know much about the Industrial Revolution (No...it didn't happen in 1776).
As for Marxists...I'm certain that you have no clue what that word means. Go back and talk (or whatever it is you do) with your pal, Sarah Palin. Who knows? Maybe she'll let you look at Russia from her house?
It really doesn`t matter what you think or say. The left is out of power thank God. Obviously no one in America cares what you think.
So the right claim President Obama for their own then!
I love seeing tea baggers wound up, thrashing around and name calling because they can't think of anything else to say.
Swb78: Just go guzzle some more beer and engage in an activity that you can understand - like, coloring with crayons - and let those of us with an intellect discuss public policy. Nobody in the **world** cares what **you** think!
Oh another European ..........you idiots have absolutely no credibility so why don`t you do us Americans a favor and shut up!
This qualifies as personal attack.
It's also disgustingly bad manners. You know, John, the vast majority of Americans, and I would say including at least a simple majority of conservatives, are not rude or stupid... But there are some who are simply an embarrassment.
I totally agree with this comment, even though I don't agree with most of your political views.
I know Doug, if I thought the attitude of swb78 was in any way typical I'd be out of here. We have embarrassing xenophobes too
I have experience with Unions wormdo. Do your research about WHO pays for the Public employees. Private sector Unions is a different story. As a taxpayers I should have a say as to where MY taxes are going!
YOUR taxes pay Walker too. Can you call him and tell him what to do? You could if you were Koch.
If my taxes do pay him, then I can complain. If my taxes pay for Union pay raises and benefits that do not apply to me...than I have the right to complain against the Unions ways also!!
The difference is...the people of Wisconsin can vote out Walker. The People of Wisconsin Cannot vote out the Union...only the workers can do that.
Similar format to Legislators giving themselves raises no matter what the Rest of the State taxpayers want! Would you agree that the tax payer has a right to say no to Legislators doing this?
If so, then the same right goes to non-union members who disagree with their taxes paying for others wages and benefits.
To all Government drones on this thread, you lost again! your ideology, your President, and your agenda were totally rejected by a huge margin in November. The election gave us 65 seats in the house and 17 state legislatures. Over half of the states( 28) are suing that jerk you call a president and you have divided a once civil society with your greedy class warfare.
You are the minority and thats the way it is. No one is listening to your asinine world view any more and we will dissemble the last thirty years of garbage you have dumped into our society.
We want a political divorce! We don`t need any of you but you damn sure need us don`t you? No one ......I repeat, No one owes you a damn thing in life not even your mommy. Remember when you were three and mommy told you life wasn`t fair? that is still true! You were not born with an inherent right to another citizens wealth or private property so scram !!
Without the tea party (republicans, independents, democrats, blue dogs, and yellow dog) the republican agenda was void and absent, as it is now. Those who were fooled about the republican intention to take the country back from Obama and the Dems, now see what the republicans are really about. Yes the fox is in the house of representives and many state houses, and the fox eats conservatives and liberals. The people want a political divorce(Recall Election) yes they do and they can't wait until 2012 to get the foxes out of the houses. It ain't over, keep breathing in and out and you will see what's coming for the right, because their wrong.
The one thing you libs don`t take into consideration is liberty loving people will always defend their God given rights to the death. You libs better respect the ballot box or you may find yourselves in a fight you don`t want.
Marxism never takes control without bloodshed, history never lies.
You talk that war talk, liberty loving people don't understand liberty. No american with any sense would want to take what you say too far. God gave all people rights not just liberty loving people. Thats Native Americans, Muslim Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans, European Americans etc. It sound like you are ready to hurt anybody who would try to recall anybody y'all approve of... I know you wouldn't end the american way just because you want it your way. Than maybe you would try that. So be it, thy will be done on earth, not your will. Libs are in two wars they don't want.
If they are Americans they do , if they are illegal we should drag them by their feet back to that crap hole country they came from.
swb78: Are you Native American or Hispanic? What country did you come from, if you are not Native American or Hispanic?
And if you are Native American, what tribe?
John I know you feel disrespected, but swb78 and I had a conversation going. I withdraw my comment swb78, you can answer John if you want to.
Thats the same garbage I am sure the left wingers used in Russia, China, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, and other once free states where they finally just killed everyone and confiscated their private wealth in the name of economic and social justice. You darn right I would fight against those who are for big government and I feel no shame for saying it!
You drones are leeches and thats all you are. You twist the truth and your rhetoric anyway you need to as long as the ends are what you want. People like me are made fun of by you drones because you say we are extreme and yet your side has an absolute history of violence period! It`s time conservatives stand up and let you drones know that you won`t take our America without a fight.
Liberty loving people will always force me to have a baby against my will, prevent gay couples from marrying, and make sure people are trapped in poverty.
How many babies you been forced to have so far????????
The way you carry on it must be in the billions by now.
@Lovemyass, I really could care less what you think drone. Your ideology is evil and illogical and it has been defeated over and over when it gets exposed for what it really is. Americans reject you and your idiotic philosophy so scram your annoying me.
Plus, you don't blame Obama enough rendering all of your posts meaningless.
Well--I'd like to know what my ideology is!! I don't recall spouting one!
Here's his: You're stupid. Your ideas are stupid. Your hair is stupid. Your eyes are stupid. Plus, you love your own ass!
Hmmmm, who was it that put police up against American citizens who were seeking to go into their own house of gvt???
Who threw a public employee to the ground for seeking to get into his own office?
Who ordered that?
You have a short memory BUD.
Maybe YOU forgot 2008.
We don't want Bush III.
What you people are offering is Bush on steroids.
Get over yourself.
Bamboozling is not governing. Stealing all the wealth of a country for people who are already wealthy is NOT good family values.
Michael - First, most of the public payroll goes to the non-union administrators, and their cronies, who own the so-called "contracting firms( type-Haliburton, owned by Dick Cheney)" who grossly overcharge the taxpayers.
Second, as an old teacher-saying goes...Quality costs!
You don't understand. Their platform is Give 5 mil to one CEO, take away 5 mil from poor seniors.
No money for taxes, but give it all to corporations for more cost, less quality, cheap labor and no loyalty to the United States of America.
Privitize and demoralize. Cheapen for the Creetins.
I pledge allegiance to Republicorp...one for you--two hundred for me.
Taxpayers also pay for the tax cuts that Walker gave to rich corporations, which resulted in a budget shortfall that didn't originally exist. He demanded middle class union workers pay that shortfall with cuts to their benefits and wages, which they had agreed to do. That wasn't good enough for Walker, though. He insisted they relinquish their rights to bargain in the future, so he can continue to serve his corporate masters, er, I mean donors.
More LIES and falsehood perpetuated by left wing media MSLSD and big mouth idiot Rachael Maddow!
Rachael Maddow lies?
She doesn't work for FOX news.
Another liberal theory shot to hell.
If she made a mistake, she will own up to it and apologize. Which is more than any righty host ever does...and they lie blatantly!
Didn't they JUST recently show a union protest from Florida and claim it was from Wisconsin??
Errr, second time for that....Hannity.
Careful throwing stones...you support boulders.
It`s not that they lie deary, its that they don`t speak the brainwashed BS that only you drones understand. Your brain cannot compute a logical thought... its a mental disorder that you drones have. You were born with an inherent need to covet everything someone has that you don`t have. Your brain tells you every day of your life that social and economic justice means using the police power of government to steal another citizens wealth and private property.......wow .....it must suck to be you!
How can you tell when Fox "news" men are lying? When their lips are moving.
"Taxpayers also pay for the tax cuts that Walker gave to rich corporations"
No they don't.
And I wonder if their calculation assumed a broadening if the tax base as a result of the better business environment? It remains to be seen what if any deficit will exist in the next budget cycle... that is if Obama and his fool hearted energy policies don't send us into another recession.
"You libs better respect the ballot box or you may find yourselves in a fight you don`t want."
Respect the ballot box???
After these past 2 years, you have the nerve to say that?
When did you people ever respect Obama and those of us who voted for him?
Once again--get over yourself.
I don`t respect that Muslim jerk and I never will but I didn`t see a crown of conservative storming the White house and crawling through the windows moron.
Just a bit of friendly advice - your language is a little scary on here - Personal attacks and name calling don't typically last long on here - say what you want to say, but you might want to tone down the personal attacks.
"A 9yr-old boy in Capitol holding sign: "if it weren't for unions, I'd be working right now"
That is very true. Not only would children be working, but, wasn't it also a large amount of southern republicans that tried to keep their slaves? And, vote against allowing Blacks their freedom?
If the republicans had their way, we would still have slaves.
"Therefore, the recent actions by said governor and his cronies in the Wisconsin State Legislature, tearing apart public employee unions, are unconstitutional."
"If new Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has his way and Senate Bill 11 is passed in its entirety, two of Walker’s largest donors, oil billionaires David and Charles Koch (“the Koch Brothers”), could be handed free reign on Wisconsin public utilities." Destroying the unions wouldn't hurt in this bid to steal tax payer owned public utilities.
by JaxsonRaine 6 years ago
Yet another set of rights being restored to Americans. Today, at least, is a good day for rights.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 … 78021.html
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With all the hate for unions I'm seeing around here, I thought it might be helpful to remind people what happens when they don't exist, or are very weak.Next month is the 100th anniversary of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, which claimed the lives of 146 of the factory's 500 workers. The death toll...
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Are UNIONS THE ANSWER to the problems we face in our country today?Public sector unions altho related are different than private sector unions.
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