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Will Obama drop from the 2012 presidential race?

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    Longhunterposted 6 years ago

    I started this as a question but perhaps it's better suited for a forum instead.

    Speculation has begun Obama will possibly drop from the 2012 presidential race, paving the way for Hillary Clinton to step in and "save" the Dems from a royal butt kicking.

    Do you think this is possible or will Obama's narcissistic personality prevent him from doing what others think is best for the party?

    1. lady_love158 profile image61
      lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Personally, I think thats the only way the dems have a chance of holding onto power. History though says it wont happen and even if it does the dems will lose anyway. Face it, barring an economic miracle the dems are toast! America isn't buying the socialism they're selling.

      1. Barbara Kay profile image87
        Barbara Kayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But we don't have any Republicans running yet that are worthwhile voting for either.

    2. handymanbill profile image60
      handymanbillposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I doubt we could be so lucky. But Clintons in the white house again, my word. I thought that 8 years of Clintons was plenty. I don't know who would be worse.

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        Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I heard this possibility being discussed on the radio during the drive in this morning. It seemed like a great topic for discussion here.

        I agree. A Clinton back in the White House is a scary proposition. IMHO, another four years of Obama is far scarier.

        1. ftclick profile image61
          ftclickposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So who is the frontrunner? Is Perry a lock? He's a Texas gpvernor and a republican

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            Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I would say Romney or Perry at this point. Doesn't matter really. I would vote for a rock before I would vote for Dictator-Wannabe Obama.

      2. Sourpuss profile image58
        Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, Clintons need 4 more yrs, so they can equal up to the Bush Dynasty!

    3. manlypoetryman profile image70
      manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Obama's narcissistic personality will prevent him from doing what is best for his party...plus he has a lot of reasons to hang in there:

      1. Martha's Vineyard
      2. Golf every weekend
      3. Air Force One to jet him to any exotic locations, plus Home to Chicago and Hawaii for free.
      4. His new travel tour buses
      5. Beautiful home-rent free, complete with many extras: gourmet cooks, fancy banquet setting, bowling alley, place for his wife to garden out back, etc.

      1. Jean Bakula profile image92
        Jean Bakulaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        George Bush took more vacation time than any president in American history. Any President is allowed the conveniences you mention, why do think Obama doesn't deserve them? Bush has us involved in 2 wars, one he lied about, and has no culpablity?

        1. American View profile image53
          American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No question Bush took more time. However, Obama has spent way more taxpayer money on his vacation than bush ever did.

      2. I am DB Cooper profile image67
        I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently Obama is supposed to live in a shack and only fly coach. Seriously, this is one of the weirdest anti-Obama posts I've seen on here.

        1. manlypoetryman profile image70
          manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Really...the Weirdest Anti-Obama Post ever...Wow...Who'd a thunk it. D.B. Cooper? (And I wasn't even trying that hard...*Pat's Self On Back*)

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If push came to shove, I imagine he would indeed hand it over to Hilary.  He does owe her one, anyway, since she handed all her followers over to him.  Tit for tat, etc.   They're pretty much birds of a feather.  And they (notice I said they) would just come up with a public scenario where the great Obama would (seem to) be sacrificing his own desires for the so-called good of the liberal activist agenda.  And his liberal followers would make him out to be the iconic martyr they still worship.

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        Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "He does owe her one" - I can't imagine a person like Obama thinking he owes anyone anything.

      2. I am DB Cooper profile image67
        I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I'm not sure all of Hillary's followers became Obama fans. I seem to remember a group of Hillary supporters called P.U.M.A. (Party United, My A**) saying some things about Obama in the spring of 2008 that the Tea Party began saying about him after he became president in 2009. They actually started the whole birth certificate thing.

    5. Sourpuss profile image58
      Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who said he had a narcissistic personality? You a fisikiatrist or something?

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        They seem to think that Obama is a narcissist, conceited and thinks he is smarter than every one...you know, "uppity"

        1. Sourpuss profile image58
          Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh yeah!! Cause he got them thar book smarts! And he etts that Arugula or sumthin. Oh yeah, and he reads books besides the Kuuuran! The varmint.

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          Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          UW, and you don't think he's "uppity"? They only one more "uppity" or arrogant than Obama is Reid.

          Sourpuss, we have no idea if Obama has "book smarts" as he won't show us his college transcripts and the only thing we've seen him read is a teleprompter.

          1. Sourpuss profile image58
            Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Really? They made a big deal about all the books he bought to read on his vaca on Martha's Vineyard.
            Or do you think he's using them as a decoy, and he's really got Mad Magazine under there??

            You know, the one with Bush as the mascot: What, me Worry?

            Geeez, I forgot that one of the requirements for prez is that you DON'T read! Thanks for reminding me.

            Well By golly--Palin really would fit right in!! Cause you know, she eats moose stew, and picks her teeth with fishing wire.

          2. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            See, this reveals sooooo much.

            Compared to Dubya's astronomical arrogance, Obama is as humble as Mother Theresa.

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              Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Typical Liberal. Doesn't know the difference between leadership and arrogance.

              1. Sourpuss profile image58
                Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "I am the Decider!!"
                "I'td be so much easier if I didn't have to consult anyone."
                "Hey--anyone seen those WMD's?? Hehehehe...."

                3 guesses which humble prez that was.

              2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's funny, LH.  Really, really funny.

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                  Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  And true, prettypanther. Very true.

        3. Barbara Kay profile image87
          Barbara Kayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You say they think he is. Who are they? A bunch of Republicans?

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
            Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Several of the posters on here.

    6. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not likely.

    7. American View profile image53
      American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Obama will never step down and play second fiddle to anyone. However,I do see him dumping Joe and put Hillary on the ticket to try and get re-elected.

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      erikjohnsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why would he do that.  He is leading in the polls as of today.  The problem is that the GOP has yet to bring a candidate the the table that could actually beat him.  And they know this.  So they are hitting him at all angles now trying to diminish his abilities.  I am not a huge fan of Obama.  But who can beat him?

  2. ftclick profile image61
    ftclickposted 6 years ago

    I agree. The dems are not going to win 2012 in any fashion. Republicans were doomed in 2008, same for Dems in 2012. No miracle economy recovery anytime soon. Repubs will push tax credits & spur economic growth and we will see more lending.

  3. Greek One profile image76
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Not only will Obama win, he will win by a bigger percentage of the popular vote than last time.

    The Republicans have no one who stands a chance.  Best they focus on the election after next.

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      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      With all that's happening, do you really think Obama can win and by an even bigger margin than before? Where are you getting your news from?

      Conservatives and Tea Partiers can't stand him. Independents are leaving him in droves and now Dems are questioning whether he's able to be reelected. Even a generic, unnamed Republican candidate beat him in one recent poll.

      Respectfully, I think you're either uninformed, not paying attention, or it's wishful thinking. Perhaps all of the above.

      1. Greek One profile image76
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ya all can name call all ya want to...  i don't have a horse in the race, and aint allowed to vote...

        but the election is a loooong way away, and a day in politics is like a thousand years.

        I think Obama will win and win easily.. and that is one of the reasons that people like Huckabee are not tossing their hat into the ring

        Keep hoping and wishing though

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          Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Greek, I don't see it. I don't see Obama winning.

          If you can't vote then I can only assume you aren't in the U.S. and probably getting your news from the likes of CNN or MSNBC. Expand your horizons. Am I saying watch Fox? You could but realize a dose of good common sense is needed when you watch any of them.

          Obama is done and I look forward to 1-20-13 when he goes back to being just a two-bit Chicago thug wannabe.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
            Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Most people outside of the US get their news from the BBC or the CBC or other places. Most of us can't get MSNBC or Fox and ignore CNN like the plague. You get the real news from outside of a country.

            Do you think the Republicans will act any differently if Hilary becomes the candidate and President? I somehow doubt it.

            1. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              They may act differently if she comes armed with new ideas. The only problem is she won't.

              1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
                Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You mean ideas that differ from theirs?

                1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                  Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I mean ideas that differ from FDR.

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              Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              UW, I see you live on Ontario. I can only imagine what kind of a laughing stock the U.S. is in other countries because of both parties and the childish infighting.

              Most Americans, myself included, just want to get rid of Obama before he completely destroys the country. Honestly, we need to clear house and start all over. There's no lower life form than a career politician.

              1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
                Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What's scary is some politicians up here are starting to act like American right wing politicians...Although we have a long way to go to get to your level...

                1. Sourpuss profile image58
                  Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, it's a new movie out: Fright Night.

          2. Greek One profile image76
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I live in Toronto so I also get all the US networks, and thanks to modern technology, lots of local US stations (although I prefer ESPN)

            Having earned a university degree in American History and Political Science, I also know one thing...

            Presidential elections aren't won or lost over a year away

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              Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              True, Greek, true.  Perhaps it is MY wishful thinking. I can't stand Obama and think he's the worst president we've ever had and, for the sake of the country, hopefully we ever will have.

            2. Jean Bakula profile image92
              Jean Bakulaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Greek One,
              I'm with you. Even Republicans are scared of the far right leaning conservatives that are in the race for now. I can't take any of them seriously. There is still time for a new person to come aboard. If not, I think Obama will win again too. Some problems are just long term, and a bunch of right wing Bible and gun toters aren't going to solve them by making topics like that their forum. None of the R's offer solutions. As far as Obama being a Socialist, the R's want to intrude more into our American lives with their archaic views on religion and abortions.Nobody's business.

              1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You are so right, republicans want to make you buy health insurance and control the media. Whats next? Possibly controlling who gets home mortgages?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah it is somebody's business.  For one thing, it's the business of both the father and the mother; PLUS, since it's MURDER, it's the business of the American people and the responsibility of our governement to legislate it.
                This "R" will give a solution right now----boot out the politicians who condone the murder of unborn babies and call wrong right and right wrong.  That includes Obama and Hilary.

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
                  Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  And Laura Bush

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Laura wasn't the President.
                    Thank God.

                2. Sourpuss profile image58
                  Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No, unless that fetus is in your uterus, it's NONE of your business.

                  Unless you plan on making citizens arrests on all soldiers who have killed in battle?
                  March to outlaw the death penalty?
                  Call for the end of the brutal onslaught against Palestinian babies, which we are funding?

                  1. Jean Bakula profile image92
                    Jean Bakulaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Sourpuss,
                    Isn't it ironic that all these right to life people have no problem teaching our 18 yr old boys to be killing machines? So many innocent people, both Americans and those in the countries we attack for shady reasons are killed, but they don't care about them.

                3. Jean Bakula profile image92
                  Jean Bakulaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Abortion is not MURDER. It's a legal procedure, and the business of the woman, maybe the father (if not a rape victim) and certainly not the government's problem. It's a medical and personal issue. The R's already painted Planned Parenthood as an abortion mill, when it's the only place poor women can get birth control, mammograms and pap smears. R's love to wax poetic about "birthin babies" but cut any programs to help them once they are born, like Wic, which provided milk or formula, or Head Start, a nursery school/daycare where the parent can leave the child while they work. I wonder if any of these R candidates ever spent ONE WHOLE DAY with any or all of their children? They are mostly rich, trust fund babies themselves, so push the kids of on nannies or other less desireable people. Drop the high and mighty act, who made you God, Brenda?

                  1. AJReissig profile image80
                    AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Legal or not, abortion is murder.  The taking of a life is murder.  It is one thing for a police officer or soldier who has to kill in the line of duty.  However, let us be clear what abortion is:  it is a murder of convenience.

                    As far as the Gop candidate all being rich, let look at who we have.  Rick Perry:  born to a poor family.  Herman Caine:  middle class.  Tim Pawlenty:  middle class.  Rick Santorum:  middle class.  Ron Paul:  middle class.  Oh, they are, for the most part, wealth now.  What has set them apart is that they had the drive and ambition to succeed in life.  Perhaps if others followed their example, we would not have a need for the social services that you seems to believe are so essential.

      2. Sourpuss profile image58
        Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, he's going to CREAM the opposition.
        They will learn the meaning of the words One Nation On Fire.

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          Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Careful what you wish for, Sourpuss.

          1. Sourpuss profile image58
            Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Fire of inspiration, not gun powder.

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              Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The only thing Obama is burning down is the country and there's nothing inspirational about that if you consider yourself a true American. Are you an American, Sourpuss? Your landfill could be anywhere.

              1. Sourpuss profile image58
                Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I've been a true American while you all glorified the destruction of our country for your warped ideology and your false idol; Money.

                President Obama took on a swarm of malcontents....I'd say he is holding up pretty well under the circumstances.
                The image of a fiendish smirking smile, with long teeth and blood dripping from them comes to mind when I think of 2000-2008.

                You are full-tilt crazy if you think we are going back there.

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                  Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Who said I wanted to go back there? I know I don't want to go where Obama is trying to take us.

                  1. Sourpuss profile image58
                    Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    And I do....that's what elections are for!

                    Let's just keep it real, shall we?

                    Think people can give the smear-machine a rest?

    2. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree.

      I hope the GOP gets the lunacy out of their system by nominating someone like Palin, Perry or Bachmann and see them go down in flames. Maybe then they'll try a less insane approach in 2016 (when the economy will have rebounded and the GOP can claim all the credit like in 2000).

      1. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The GOP claimed credit for the economy because they were responsible for it. It would be nice if democrats would claim their culpability for our current economic malaise.

        1. livelonger profile image88
          livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Proof that the GOP can make the most outlandish, unsupportable claim, and there will be plenty of people who believe it anyway.

          1. Repairguy47 profile image60
            Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            For 6 of the 8 years Clinton was president he had a GOP controlled house and senate that kept him in check, I suppose you would claim otherwise? Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall act creating the environment that led directly to our current financial state. But he wasn't alone Barney Franks and Chris Dodd are just as responsible for it. Bury your head in the sand if you want but the facts will always be the facts.

          2. Jean Bakula profile image92
            Jean Bakulaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I can't understand why R's believe outright lies with no facts to support them. Like the birthers, for instance. The BC was on file all along, and as POTUS, I'm guessing Obama felt it was beneath his status to have to show paperwork when he was already vetted. The percentage of stupid R's are making all of them look bad.

  4. Wayne Brown profile image88
    Wayne Brownposted 6 years ago

    I do not see Obama dropping out as his high respect for himself would not allow it. I think those of the left who doubt that the Republicans will have a viable ticket against Obama are really being naive. Obama is in serious trouble with independents and with the black vote. He has a country in which 69% of the voters polled indicated that the "will of the people" is not being exercised.  The media and the left actually believe that Rick Perry will not make a good showing...I think you are in for a big surprise on that perspective.  WB

  5. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I don't believe it will be a shoe in for anyone.

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, UW. I fear this is going to be a really nasty election - even nastier than usual.

  6. Reality Bytes profile image91
    Reality Bytesposted 6 years ago

    Hilary would be better off end arounding Barrack and stealing the nomination from him.

    "To save the country"  oh the population would swoon

  7. ThoughtSandwiches profile image84
    ThoughtSandwichesposted 6 years ago

    You studied well 'O Greek One.  I agree.

  8. Neil Sperling profile image86
    Neil Sperlingposted 6 years ago

    Will He drop..... yes in one way or another... LOL

    He may need his own version of Monica to keep up!

    What tangled webs we weave..... why do we keep doing that anyway?

  9. kateperez profile image68
    kateperezposted 6 years ago

    The President has made it clear that his current low approval rating is in direct relation to the actions of Congress.

    He is still not taking responsibility for himself.  I have a feeling that President Obama is not done with us yet.

    1. Sourpuss profile image58
      Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "his current low approval rating is in direct relation to the actions of Congress."


      This is very true. Only and idiot would deny it. And the idiots in Congress don't! They said from the start their only goal was to destroy Obama.
      Don't YOU believe them?

      1. American View profile image53
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        They said from the start their only goal was to destroy Obama


        Got a source?

        1. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If he does its someones online journal.

        2. Sourpuss profile image58
          Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          MCCONNELL: We need to treat this election as the first step in retaking the government. We need to say to everyone on Election Day, “Those of you who helped make this a good day, you need to go out and help us finish the job.”

          NATIONAL JOURNAL: What’s the job?

          MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

          http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/ … -one-term/

          ***

          If you recall, that's how they won all those seats in 2010.
          Gingrich "allegedly" sent out a memo for all R's to not co-operate with Obama, on anything.
          Say no, make Obama ineffective, and then they can come in as the "saviors".
          And of course, you must remember their blocking and filibustering everything Obama tried to do. Followed by smears about his "incompetence" blasted at you daily from Russshhhhhh, Beckles the Clown, Ingrate-a-Ham, O'Really?, Michelle Milkin'it...the whole cavalcade of right-wing talking ugly-heads.

          Dont' you remember Boehner and friends during the election season????

          "Mr. President, where are the jobs?" Every day-- Jobs Jobs Jobs.....

          So, people bought the shpeil.
          And so the R's got yet another tax cut "for jobs".......and?

          Righty's....where are the jobs? You have had almost 2 years now.....in charge of the House. What have you put forward?

          Tax cuts for wealthy and corporate America....and more Obama-Bashing. That's about it.

          Job suckily done. IMO
          Worse than sucky....SINISTER.

          1. American View profile image53
            American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I asked for a source and in typical fachion, you show a left idiplogical blog. On that has no base in facts. And they use Major, I lost my jobs for making things up to report, Garret. Real credible. Go to you tube and watch all the videos about the Dems out to get Bush, or the name calling they do. While you may find one or two Repubs name calling, there are many dems videos

            ""Mr. President, where are the jobs?" Every day-- Jobs Jobs Jobs....."

            Well, where are they??? We all know the reports on unemployment and the jobs numbers they put out are not accurate. They try to make things look better than they actually are. Have you ever noticed, if there is about 15,000 less unemployment claims than the week before, they drop the unemployment by one tenth of a percent. But when the claims go up by 30,000, the number remains unchanged. I wrote about the last jobs report and showed how false they are. Facts, not shpeil.

            Lets make a correction to your "Righty's....where are the jobs? You have had almost 2 years now.....in charge of the House. What have you put forward?" The Repubs only have a majority in 1//3 of the Federal branch. THe Dems control 2/3. So everytime the Repubs send something to the Dem Controled Senate, it is either tabled or just not brought to the floor for discussion. I have wriiten on how many bills currently sit in congress not being addressed. Reid thinks he is trying to show the Reubs as not having a clue, like when the Obama vs Ryan budget proposals came to vot. Reid thought the Repubs would look bad by simply applying partisian politics and not back Obama. THe vote results blew up in Reids face. Obamas budget, 0-97. Not one Dem voted for Obamas budget. So much for Repubs or Tea Party holding everything up.
              As for the wealthy tax loopholes, you are not even close. What they are is against the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. I will give you a link to show you the devastation heading the way of the middle, low incomers, retirement funds, married couples, and small businesses if repealed. Obama touts the Jet tax break as proof the Repubs are for the wealthy. Well here comes some crow for you to chow down on. The Jet tax break is a part of the Obama Stimulus bill. THat's right, Obama created the tax break Now here is where it gets better. Obama tells you he wants to repeal that loophole, but the jet tax break expired in 2010. So Obama is going to repeal his own created tax break that no longer exists.

            Amazing what you see when you take your blinders off, stop the anger you portray yourself as having, and do real research the truth will reveal itself to you.

  10. melodyts profile image58
    melodytsposted 6 years ago

    It is possible that he will drop in 2012 based on his low rating. But there are big possibilities too that things may change (that he might win). It is because there are cases that one of the presidential candidate has a higher rating but when election comes, he didn't win.

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    Longhunterposted 6 years ago

    Sourpuss, you hold a new record. You've been on HubPages for about two hours and  no one takes you or your comments seriously. GOOD JOB!!!!

    1. Sourpuss profile image58
      Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Awww, now you're gonna get Slimy mad,and trust me, you don't want to go there! He's a very loyal grouch.

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        Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Naaaaa, I'm just a calm, quiet Christian Conservative but that's real sweet, Sourpuss.

        "trust me, you don't want to go there!"

        I know you're new here, fuzzy one, so be careful with what might be perceived as a threat. HubPages staff has a tendency to frown upon that kind of thing. You seem somewhat intelligent and I would hate to loose someone to verbally spar with before you been here even 24 hours. Just a friendly warning. Take it or leave it.

        1. Sourpuss profile image58
          Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "Sourpuss, you hold a new record. You've been on HubPages for about two hours and  no one takes you or your comments seriously."

          Ummm, personal attack are frowned on too, are they knot? Friendly warning right back atcha.(s/o to Palin)

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            Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No personal attack intended. Just trying to get a newbie to bring it up a few notches. That's all.

            Given what we've seen here, I have a question. When will we some writing of yours? Should be interesting even if we don't agree on politics.

            1. Sourpuss profile image58
              Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And no threat intended either!

              Slimy doesn't share the computer too well.....I have to see what kind of morals exist here on Hub Pages have before I lend my verbiage to it.

              So far, I've seen a lot of nasty. That's why Slimy urged me to join.

              He hates bullies. You know how that goes. He thinks he's the savior of the world or something.
              He's a true believer. Like Anne Frank. He just thinks the goodness of our hearts is buried under an avalanche of toxic waste.

  12. Sourpuss profile image58
    Sourpussposted 6 years ago
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    jj4everposted 6 years ago

    He should.

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    daisymaposted 6 years ago

    August 22nd, 2011

    Yeah, everybody's always predicting the worse for President Obama.  That's because there remains deep prejudice against him, for whatever the reason, because those who take a stance of belligerence never liked him to begin with. George Wallace still has a constituency, in the big real-world off-line community,  comprised of mostly southern-based bigots. 

    No...President Obama will NOT drop out of the 2012 presidential race.  To those rumor-mongerers I declare, this much, STOP TALKING!  You're spewing out lies.  Remember what God said, everybody's God regardless of what your tradition calls him, DON'T LIE? 

    Kathy Caudle
    Obama Supporter

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      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Daisy, I posted this forum due to a conversation I heard on the radio where they were indeed speaking of speculation Obama would drop from he 2012 race so it wasn't "spewing out lies." Do I think Obama will drop out? No. He thinks far too highly of himself before everything and everyone else with the exception of his daughters to drop out. This is where his narcissistic personality shows itself for all to see.

      Let me make something PERFECTLY clear, while I am from the South, I'm not a racist and this forum wasn't posted for that reason. It was posted to spur conversation. There are bigots everywhere, including in the North where the residence like to lump ALL Southerns into one group. Do we have some backwards-thinking, ignorant people down here? Oh, yeah! But that door swings both ways.

      Just think of what some people think of your state and the Mormon population there. Are ALL people in Utah Mormons? No, just like not ALL Southerns are bigots. Please keep that in mind BEFORE lumping people together unjustly.

      Longhunter
      An Anyone BUT Obama Supporter

      1. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Don't feel that you have to deny being something you are not. Its the liberal way to marginalize you.

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          Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, I don't feel that I have to deny being something I'm not. I was born and raised here in the South. My grandmother was the biggest bigot I knew. My parents fought to eliminate that bigotry from the family by teaching my brother and I that ALL people were created equal and discrimination of any kind would not be tolerated.

          As for the race card the Left loves to play, it's a crutch they pull out to try to shut down the opposition. Daisy tried to play it above and I simply called her on it. Hell, Obama could be green for all I care. It doesn't matter. What does matter is he's a Socialist and the worst president we've ever had. As far as I'm concerned, 1-20-13 couldn't get here fast enough as I hope and pray it'll be the day Obama waves goodbye and fads into history as a huge mistake.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What makes you think Obama is a socialist? And I can think of quite a few president's who live on in infamy--Harding, Johnson, Tyler, Nixon, Fillmore and Bush. It's premature to make judgments about Obama's presidency. A lot of people knocked Truman while he was president, but history now judges him to be among the best. All historians and a variety of polls rank him in the top ten. Here's one ranking:  Lincoln, Washington, F. Roosevelt,Jefferson, T. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Truman, Reagan, Polk and Wilson.

            Here's a list of the worst presidents:

            Buchanan
            Pierce
            VanBuren
            Harrison
            Nixon
            George Bush
            Hoover
            Garfield
            Fillmore

            http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w … 029204.ece

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              Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, lets see, redistribution of wealth would be one The One has admitted to.

              I have no doubt your a man that works hard for your money, Mr. Deeds, as do I. I want to keep my money and have no desire to give it to anyone else.

              "It's premature to make judgments about Obama's presidency." REALLY?

              2 years, 7 months, and 3 days into a four year term? I don't know where you work, Mr. Deeds, but, respectfully, if I was doing my job as badly as Obama that far into my tenure, my boss would have fired my butt. What about yours? Yes, I know you don't think Obama is doing a bad job but a lot of Americans do and that's where the voting booth comes in.

              I sincerely believe Obama will be judged as one of the worst, if not THE worst, president this country has ever had, much to the relief of Jimmy Carter.

            2. American View profile image53
              American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              WOW, so you think Carter was a good Presisent? FDR?

              1. Greek One profile image76
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If is wasn't for FDR, you would be living in a far extreme right wing country full of only white people...


                opps.. point understood now smile

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                  American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I gotta here this one Prove it. You

                2. American View profile image53
                  American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hit the button before I was finished LOL. You need to cite proper sources, no blogs or left media. cite govenrment documents, government reports, for when you try to, you will get your eyes opened to the truth. What a riduculas statement you made Greek.

                  1. Greek One profile image76
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    which statement?  I make lots of ridiculous ones

                3. AJReissig profile image80
                  AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Just an FYI, FDR was an extreme racist and bigot.

                  1. American View profile image53
                    American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I know AJ, just wanted to see greeks response. Not to mention Obama has copied every move except freezing wages, the were all failures then, they are all failures now. When Truman became President Voters were so tried of what was going on the swept the Dems out and put the Repubs in comtrol of Congress. They put in many types of policies like they want to today, Truman vetoed, Congress overrode. Congress overturned the Hart-taflty act. The moves made was the begining of a 20 year economic growth. As they say, history repeating itself

                  2. Reality Bytes profile image91
                    Reality Bytesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    He was also heavily influenced by the occult.  His guru's name was Roerich and he claimed to have a piece of God rock, a piece of the stone that Muslims hold in Mecca.

                  3. Greek One profile image76
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No... he was NOT a Republican!

      2. AJReissig profile image80
        AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Longhunter,

        Don't take it personal.  From the first day Obama began to campaign for the Presidency, his supporters have played the race card.  Anyone who disagrees with his policies is labeled a racist or bigot.  My assumption is that since they can't win a debate based in facts, name calling is all that can be done to support him.

        Isn't it ironic that I myself have been labeled a racist by local liberals, and yet I would love to see Herman Caine win the Presidency.

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          Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, I like Herman Cain as well. He tells it like it is and I like that. He's also successful and it wasn't given to him. He worked hard to get it. I like that as well.

          Romney is too "slick" and Perry, well, I don't know about him. I haven't gotten a read on him yet.

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Obama's Tea Party opponents are the one playing the racist card.

          1. lady_love158 profile image61
            lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/No_Socialism.jpg

            1. psycheskinner profile image79
              psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I am not sure why some American's find socialism so scary (and simultaneously defend Medicare and a state funded army).

              1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I don't defend medicare, and the constitution allows for a state funded military. My problem with socialism is we are not all the same and if you try and make everybody the same you are going to stifle the individual and what that individual is capable of. This country was founded on the principals of freedom and socialism is the exact opposite of that.

          2. AJReissig profile image80
            AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ralph, you have made my point for me.  Instead of explaining why you disagree with the Tea Party position of limited government, you choose to accuse them of Racism.  If you disagree with their political position, them explain why the opposite....big government socialism....is so great.  Or, if you can site an example of a racist statement by the Tea Party, state so.  But if you can't state example of racism in the Tea Party, stop spreading lies to further you political beliefs.

          3. Repairguy47 profile image60
            Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            How are they playing the race card?

            1. Sourpuss profile image58
              Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, lets' see.....
              Portraying him as a voodoo witch doctor with a bone through his nose
              Boston TP organizer sends out e-mail: "The Obama's,just another black family on public housing"
              E-mail from TP'er sent around depicting Obama as an ape
              Referring to an escaped gorilla as "one of Michelle's relatives"
              Tammy Bruce: "we now have trash in the white house"
              Obongo
              Obammy
              Barak the Magic Negro
              Glenn Beck, impersonating Malia: "Daddy, why do you hate white people so?"
              ***

              If I bothered to google, bet your bum, there would be more. Pawlenty more!

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                Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Here's your origin for the Barack, the Magic Negro parody:

                http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/19 … renstein19

                The writer, David Ehrenstein, is a black man.

                Sourpuss, none of the ones you listed are in good taste and all are more than a little childish. However, think back on all the insults and slurs thrown at GWB, Reagan, or their families then answer a question for me.

                How is it okay for Liberals and Dems to say the things said about Republicans but then they get upset when things are said about their candidates?

                1. Sourpuss profile image58
                  Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It's not "childish" it's racial hatred, and it's as old as America.
                  Burying it only makes it worse.
                  It's obvious to everyone but you!

                  None of you ever insulted Bush or Reagan for being white.

                  We insulted their policies, not their skin color and origin.

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                    Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Barack, the Magic Negro grew out of an article written by a black man, David Ehrenstein. Google him and read it. Do your research. Does that make it reversed racial hatred?

                    People on here make fun of Bush for the way he talked but that's the way some talk in Texas. I've had the same done to me because I live in the South. You yourself have written somethings on these forums that made little sense trying to be "in character."

                    Is it right for some people to equate Obama's lack of character and leadership skills with his skin color? OF COURSE NOT!!!! I firmly believe he can't help it because he knows no better and it has nothing to do with his skin color. He just doesn't have any good characteristics except being a good father and he isn't a good leader.

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
              Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              They are playing the "racist" card, not the race card. Not always in public, but among themselves, they disparage Obama because of his race. There is plenty of racist material circulating about Obama. Some subtle and plenty, scurrilous.

              1. AJReissig profile image80
                AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Ralph, you just don't get it.  The Tea Party's problem with Obama (and other liberals for that matter) has to do with political position, not skin color.  However, it seems to be the goal of every liberal to portray it as a race issue.  Is it because liberals can't win the argument with facts?  If the big government, cradle to grave nanny state socialism is so great, explain why.  But to just claim racism is just childish.  Liberals have been playing that game since Obama hit the campaign trail in '08.

                1. Sourpuss profile image58
                  Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I have a 360% difference of opinion on that.
                  As far as I'm concerned, they are the party of racists.

                  So--who's right? YOU?

                  I don't think so.
                  ****

                  Nanny state??
                  Like Bachmann and Perry taking farm subsidies? Like that?and we are talking BIG bucks here!
                  Like billion-dollar corporations paying no tax--being taken care of by people of lesser means? like that?

                  Like tax breaks, tax cuts, so you can live for free in the place that got you your wealth? LIKE THAT???

                  Swiss bank accounts, off-shore accounting.......like that.

                  Poor people, on the other hand, need help just to survive. Feed their children, heat their homes. Maybe if the jobs PAID more, or the cost of living wasn't so high, there would be no need for gvt help?

                  You want to take seniors off security-in-old-age? Go for it.

                  Not only racist, but heartless....the TP crew. That includes that Pizza-Man.
                  IMO IMO IMO

                  1. AJReissig profile image80
                    AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Most Tea Party members (myself included) want to see an end to ALL subsidies.  Most (including me) want to see our tax structure replaced with a flat tax in the 15-20% range, so everyone pays the same rate.  No special deals for the oil companies, no special deals for GE, and no special deals for the 40+ percent of Americans who pay no taxes.

                    Nobody has suggested taking senior off social security.  All of the talk has been over how to fix the broken system we have.  I want to see the current system scrapped and set up as private investment.  For the amount paid out to social security each year, each person should get far more than what they receive.

                    As far as the billion dollar corporations paying no taxes, don't forget that most support the Democratic party, and Obama, Reid and Pelosi have fought hard to keep those tax breaks for their buddies.  Did Perry and Bachman take subsidies?  Yep.  THAT IS THE SYSTEM WE HAVE AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE.  I also don't agree with all of the tax deductions there are, but that doesn't mean I won't use them to my advantage.

                    As far as poor people needing help, all welfare creates is more people asking for a handout.  Many people will take the easy way out and are just plain lazy.  I would much prefer to see a program where you have to work to receive government assistance.  There should be no handouts.  I have no interest in helping someone who has no interest in helping themselves.

                    And once again, you cannot support the charge of Racism.  All of the complaints you just listed has nothing to do with the color of someone's skin.  Do you know what the word Racism means?  Apparently not.

                  2. American View profile image53
                    American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    "As far as I'm concerned, they are the party of racists."

                    Well your "concern" does not make it so. Where have I heard rhetoric like that before? liberals have always placed the blame elsewhere throuhgout history. "It's the repubs, it's the Hippies, it's the militias, it's the Tea Party, it was Aunt Tilly" As far as race card, The Dems are best on dealing that hand, it's their ace in the hole. If there was a Race card poker tournament, the Dems would be the braclet winner.

                    As to Perry accepting farm subsideis, show your source. Do not show another blog or opinon of someone else, show a report from state of texes or department of agriculture. I will save you the time. THere were none. Infact, Perry does not even own a farm. His Father is a farm tennant. They do not even own the land his father farms. Here is an article Knocking Perry and saying the same thing.

                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/1 … 28552.html

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                Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                We have enough to disparage Obama with (lack of leadership skills, inability to speak without a teleprompter, hates America and it's people, etc., etc., etc.) so we don't need to use his race. His race doesn't matter to anyone except blacks and liberals.

                There is, of course, his ears. Man, I bet he can hear a mouse piss on a cotton ball in the basement on the Kremlin with those huge ears.

                1. Greek One profile image76
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh yeah??.. well at least Obama didnt play "Hide the mouse in my Kremlin" with thjs guy...

                  http://willblogforfood.typepad.com/will_blog_for_food/images/dubya_4.jpg

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                    Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Nope, Obama just bent right over and kissed his butt instead.

                  2. American View profile image53
                    American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    SHow source on picture

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            Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mr. Deeds, you're joking, right?

            The Liberals and Dems are universally famous for playing the race card and have done so for decades, long before Obama started running, to get the black vote. It's just that now they have a black president so they play it every time someone disagrees with them or their beloved president. In the year 2011, shouldn't we as Americans be past all that?

            I sincerely hope Americans DON'T equate Obama's ineptitude with him being black.

            First, they would be wrong. The color of his skin has nothing to do with the fact he's a horrible president. It's his Socialist ideology that makes him a horrible AMERICAN president. He would have been great back in the old USSR or present day Cuba or Venezuela but not here.

            Second, we have a lot of people out there that would make great leaders that just happen to also be black. I would hate to see them not get a chance to lead simply because someone's small mindedness.

            Wasn't Obama suppose to be the Great Unitor - a man for all people? Now, I ask, how can that happen when your side keeps whining, "You don't like him because he's black."

            Surely, you, Mr. Deeds, are above that.

            1. Sourpuss profile image58
              Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Perhaps you can explain the outrage over his vacation?
              How a member of Congress stands up in public and calls him a liar
              How the House Leader refused to meet with him....twice
              Calling him an "urban president"....aren't they all?
              Insisting he's Muslim, even though he tells you otherwise?
              Hip Hop Barbeque?????

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                Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                It's not just this vacation, Sourpuss. It's this one along with the other 7 or 8 he's taken in the last year. While a lot of Americans are having trouble finding a job and others are having trouble paying their bills, Obama is jetting off to yet another vacation on our dime.

                "How the House Leader refused to meet with him....twice"....Personally, I would have told Obama to go to hell until he was ready to cut spending and taxes but I don't like the guy.

                Most Americans couldn't give less than a tinker's damn if he's a Muslim. I know I don't as long as he doesn't come at me with a sword when I won't convert.

                1. Sourpuss profile image58
                  Sourpussposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The Tea-Bag House took 5 weeks and jetted off to Israel. You got a problem with that?

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                    Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Did you get a vacation trip this year, Sourpuss? Did you get 7 or 8? If so, count yourself lucky. Most Americans did not.

                    No, Sourpuss, I don't have a problem with some Congress men and women jetting off to Israel. (Let me guess, you don't like Israel any more than the POTUS.) Their security, flights, and hotels, while they probably costs us something, costs nothing like the amount Obama's vacations do and he's taken 7 or 8 vacations this year alone.

                    I would like to see him keep his skinny butt at the White House where he's treated far better than any other American even though he works for us. I would like to see him come down off his arrogant high horse and work with Congress to make real and lasting spending and tax cuts.

                    The Congress as a whole needs to remember to a person they work for us, not the other way around. They need to cut taxes and make it permanent. They need to STOP spending like drunken sailors. Most other Americans have had to do.

                    We know you like Obama, Sourpuss. Unfortunately for you, not the rest of us, I think you're going to get one hell of a wake up call come November 2012. I think Obama will loose in an unprecedented landslide, the likes of which is going to rock Liberals, Dems, and Socialists back on their heels, hopefully permanently.

                    Then on Sunday, January 20, 2013, I'm going to get up, go to my Baptist church, and thank God Obama is leaving Washington for the last time with a word of prayer. That will be followed by my family and I going out to eat and popping the cork on the best fricking bottle of champagne I can afford, celebrating the fact Obama, the worst president this country has ever and hopefully will ever see, is heading back to Chicago, back to being what he truly is - an arrogant, two-bit thug wannabe.

                    Does that sound disrespectful of your POTUS? You're damn straight it does and I meant it to be.

                  2. American View profile image53
                    American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The Dems sent ALL congressional aides to Hawaii for 1 week vacation at taxpayers expense. A Few congressman going to Israel for a few days is way cheaper than what the dems do.
                    I seriously doubt they are going to Israel while being bombed and attacked, for a week of fun in the sun.

              2. AJReissig profile image80
                AJReissigposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                s far as the Liar comment, it was true.

  15. psycheskinner profile image79
    psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

    Obama is campaigning and raising money right now. Clearly he means to run. And I wouldn't count him out just yet.

  16. manlypoetryman profile image70
    manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago

    Reply to Jean Bakula's : "George Bush took more vacation time than any president in American history. Any President is allowed the conveniences you mention, why do think Obama doesn't deserve them? Bush has us involved in 2 wars, one he lied about, and has no culpablity?"

    First Off...Who said that I thought taking the same amount/or more vacation time as Bush was right in the first place? Man...you sure went to the "Dubya" real quick on that one. Haven't you heard the 'ol saying that: "2 wrongs don't make a right." (How about this one: 2 liberal rants...don't make them right...ha!...I crack myself up!)   

    Ready, Aim, Fire...I say "Obama did this"...You say: "Well, Bush did that!" Tie....goes to the Runner!  Now, the rest of the Presidents from now on can do whatever in the world that they want because Bush did one thing...and Obama now can do anything too...because of that!

    Second...Get off your "liberal mantra" high horse for a second...and don't go to guns...anytime someone tries to make a joke. Where I come from...we still believe we have the right to make some jokes and...some points...no matter who is in the White House. Fact: "He" sure isn't the first President to have been joked about ("He" throws out some jokes too...if I recall!)...or the last. (But...I'm sure he appreciates you defending him sooo much...? hmm)

    I know that where I come from...we must be very bad, bad, bad people to say anything in joke form...without thoroughly scourging "GWB" first. Tsk,Tsk...Tsk! Poor bad us!

    "Bush has us involved in 2 wars, one he lied about, and has no culpablity?"
    And...how many does Obama have us in? And...what in the world does it have to do with what I said? Is that your standard "pat" answer to everything?

  17. claptona profile image82
    claptonaposted 6 years ago

    We should be so lucky as to not have the socialist run again.
      Cheers,
      John D. Wilson

  18. claptona profile image82
    claptonaposted 6 years ago

    We should be so lucky as to not have the socialist run again.
      Cheers,
      John D. Wilson

  19. Greek One profile image76
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    When has the GOP ever played the race card??

    http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim//2010/03/05/WillieHorton_1_540x405.jpg

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The GOP has played the race card in every election since Nixon invented the Southern Strategy. As I recall, McCain followed the tradition when he kicked off his presidential campaign with a speech at Bob Jones "University" or some other stronghold of racism and homophobia. That's how the party took over the South from the old time racist Democrats from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, the Carolinas and other southern states.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The GOP has played the race card in every election since Nixon invented the Southern Strategy. That's how the party took over the South from the old time racist Democrats from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, the Carolinas and other southern states.

      Actually, it was George W. Bush who pandered to the south at Bob Jones University--

      http://www.observer.com/2000/02/bushs-s … catholics/

      1. American View profile image53
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        During a "meet-and-greet" at the state fairgrounds, Sen. John Kerry was asked by a supporter if he would come speak at Bob Jones University - a South Carolina school that gained notoriety for banning interracial dating. "I just think it's time for Democrats to come across as Christian," she explains to a reporter standing nearby. (Senator Kerry said he would "love to," though he didn't elaborate as to how he'd approach the event.)
        From the inception of Bob Jones College, a majority of students and faculty were northerners, and therefore many were already Republicans living in the "Solid South. Democrats were rarely invited to speak at the university, in part because they took political and social positions (especially support for abortion) opposed by the Religious Right. So democrats spoke there too.

    3. American View profile image53
      American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      William R. "Willie" Horton  convicted felon who, while serving a life sentence for murder, without the possibility of parole. Horton and two accomplices robbed Joseph Fournier, a 17-year-old gas station attendant, and then fatally stabbed him 19 times after he had cooperated by handing over all of the money in the cash register. His body was dumped in a trash can. He was the beneficiary of a Massachusetts weekend furlough program. He did not return from his furlough, and ultimately he committed assault, armed robbery and rape. Democratic Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis was the governor of Massachusetts at the time of Horton's release, and while he did not start the furlough program, he had supported it as a method of criminal rehabilitation.
      The first person to mention the Massachusetts furlough program in the 1988 presidential campaign was Al Gore(D). During a debate at the Felt Forum sponsored by the New York Daily News, Gore took issue with the furlough program.
      So as you can see it was Dem who played the issue on another Dem. When Dukakis won the nomination, the furlough program was an issue brought up. Never was race ever mentioned, just the program and the naive way of Dukakis thinking. There was no race card issue here. But if course if you still think there is, Al Gore(D) played it.

      1. Greek One profile image76
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The GOP put a picture of a black criminal on the TV and tried to scare white middle America with the idea that black convicts would be breaking into their homes if they voted Democrat... old tactic, worked in the past, and sadly, it worked then too

        1. American View profile image53
          American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, that was Al gores ad

          1. Greek One profile image76
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Nope.. the Ad was the GOPs

            do you dispute the Wiki overview..

            Gore took issue with the furlough program. However, he did not specifically mention the Horton incident or even his name, instead asking a general question about the Massachusetts furlough program.

            Republicans picked up the Horton issue after Dukakis clinched the nomination. In June 1988, Republican candidate George H.W. Bush seized on the Horton case, bringing it up repeatedly in campaign speeches. Bush's campaign manager, Lee Atwater, predicted that "by the time this election is over, Willie Horton will be a household name." Media consultant Roger Ailes remarked "the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it."

            1. American View profile image53
              American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              In this case yes. Gore was inded the one who first brought it up and several times on the campaign trail he used Horton by name. The "he took issue" quote was what was stated at an early debate. Gore used his name in a later debate. So not all was totally revealed by the one sentence comment.

              The Reupubs used a factual account of something that happened. As in typicla liberal fashion, it is turned into a race issue. I could care less what he was. He was a convicted murderer, let out on a weekend furlough under a program supported by a Democratic Govenor, and commited robbery rape and murder. Those are the facts. Never once did the mention of his race ever be used by either side on that issue. Funny how it is you that is making it one.

              1. Greek One profile image76
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Even Ann Coulter wrote that the Bush campaign's original "...Willie Horton ad never showed a picture of Horton, which complicated their sneaky plan to appeal to Americans'nearly hysterical hatred of black people."

                It was GOP consultant Larry McCarthy's group "Americans for Bush" who produced the ad with Horton's mug shot... no doubt because the Bush campaign itself didn't want to be accused of the blatant racism associated with it.

                1. American View profile image53
                  American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  But you are still in denial that Gore started it and used it in ads with Hortons picture. Not a PAC, the Gore campaign

                  1. Greek One profile image76
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't deny it at all

                    My point was not that the issue was not valid to raise during a campaign..
                    the point is that the Republicans turned a valid issues and injected race into it.

  20. profile image57
    MagsFarmposted 6 years ago

    He is a total mix, like most Americans - he is also Native American and Irish and white and black - not to mention Harvard-educated!

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      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, you mean like a Heines 57. Or was that 57 states? Did you mean like his dog, Bo? Oh, wait Bo has papers.

      How do we know he's Harvard-educated or educated at all? We haven't seen his transcripts and, from all indications of how he's running the country, he seems totally oblivious as to what's the right thing to do. If he is Harvard-educated, it's apparent a Harvard diploma isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

    2. American View profile image53
      American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you forgat, Kenyans, Somalian, British, well everywhere he travels he says he has an ancestor there. I cannot wait to see if he says he is Jewish if he goes to Israel

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        Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wouldn't count on that happening, American View. I get the distinct impression he hates Jews.

        I would like it if he just act like a true red-blooded American but I'm not counting on that one either.

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    ThoughtSandwichesposted 6 years ago

    Hi American View...I remember '88 and you are correct...any racial overtones went unstated.  It was, however, a sure bash against a "soft on crime" liberal Massachusetts Governor.  lol...I think when he counter-attacked in that tank picture...that's when we lost hope in that election.  As always sir...good to see your reasoned comments.

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    suzettenaplesposted 6 years ago

    I think he'll try for a comeback at some point and then after that who knows what he'll do.  Will Hillary want to come in a wipe up after him?  I don't know about that either.  What a shame as he has so much potential, but he doesn't seem to know what to do with it.  You have to be tought with Republicans!  When will he learn?

 
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