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Cantor's a Jerk

  1. American View profile image54
    American Viewposted 6 years ago

    "Majority Leader Eric Cantor said dollars spent for disaster relief should be balanced by new cuts elsewhere in the federal budget"

    Is he kidding me? This is not the time to be a political jerk. Every year a budget is passed. Every year there is a disaster somewhere in the US that needs assistance from our government. We help first, we respond and do what we can at first. We stabilize the situation, help the injured, mourn our losses. Then our Government continues to rise by offering assistance for the people affected. This assistance comes on many levels, including offering low to no interest loans to rebuild. This is what we have done throughout history and we pay for it later. We always have, we always will.

    While Cantor is jerk, he is joined by the heartless and non-knowing Paul. We really need to clean house in Washington

    1. John Holden profile image60
      John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wow,American View speaking out in favour of socialism!

      1. American View profile image54
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No John, speaking out for what is right. But you knew that. Socialism is a free handout. What I am talking about is a loan that the people have to pay back. Huge difference

        1. John Holden profile image60
          John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Of course you are speaking out for what is right, it just so happens to be socialism as well.

          1. American View profile image54
            American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            John,

            what part of it is not a freebie are you missing? Socialism is about freebies

            1. John Holden profile image60
              John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No it's not about freebies man, get that thought right out of your head and you'll be a better man.

              1. American View profile image54
                American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I already am a way better man. You can spout all you want, I am against freebies and that is what you are for. Government always giving a freebie. Thats OK if that i where you want to live. But I belive a mna earns his way, or he is not a man

                1. John Holden profile image60
                  John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm for freebies! That's news to me!
                  I am for governments using the tax dollars on the people that pay them but that is by no means a freebie.

                  Remember that governments have no money of their own, al they have is what we give them, their returning it to us either as a grant or a loan is not a freebie, it is our right.

                  Hey, have you ever had to claim on your car or house insurance? Has the insurer ever refused you money because it exceeds the amount that you have paid them?
                  No, but then of course you've refused the money because you're a man and don't accept freebies!

                  Face it, you have spoken out in favour of socialism, live with it.

                  1. American View profile image54
                    American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    John,

                    Stop trying to deflect the facts, and yes, you have argued in other threads for freebies. But if you must know, I only have the insurance that I have to have such as car insurance. I never filed a claim with an insurance company except for the  health issues that has arrisen from work. And the Workers Comp insurance refuses to pay, but I am not alone with this particular claim. And yes, I have paid my own way on my Health bills and will pay the $3000,000 plus I currently owe when I get out of here.
                    Regardless of that,  even if I ever did file a claim on an insurance policy, say homeowners, that is something someone paid for in an agreement with a PRIVATE company. Private comany with a contract, governmentt giving freebies, huge  difference. But you know that

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
              Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Socialism is about community.

          2. American View profile image54
            American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Usually when I show the mistakes of the right I never hear from the right, of course when I make even the smallest comment on the left, they come out of the woodwork. This is the first time When I knock a republican that a lefty has commented. Wonders never cease

    2. Repairguy47 profile image59
      Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We have done this throughout history, Obama didn't help Texans when they needed it. Thats ok though, we won't help him get reelected. Just like we didn't help him get elected the first time, maybe it was payback.

      1. American View profile image54
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Totally was, anyone who thinks different is blind. I was all over Obama for turning his back on Texas. He was like a little child having a temper tantrum. But we will remember.

      2. kerryg profile image85
        kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Texas didn't exactly help itself either. Perry spent months blaming Obama for not sending enough federal aid (despite the fact that FEMA did, in fact, cover 75% of Texas's emergency response costs in fighting the wildfires), but last I heard he was planning to sign a budget cutting funding for the Texas Forest Service (the main state firefighting agency) by a third. If that's true, I'm not sure whether the hypocrisy or the idiocy is more extreme!

        1. American View profile image54
          American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Kerry,

          JUst wanted to let you know that the Obama Administration rejected 4 requests for the US to declare a disaster. Obama said no each time. Now a Disaster declaration would have meant the HOMEOWNERS would have recieved low interest loans from lenders backed by the government. In fact, FEMA did not cover 75% of the costs. They help procure some grant money for local municipalities to recoup some of their costs for they are small town cities and do not have the monetary resources it took to fight a fire of that magnitude. Two of those grants were to replace the 2 fire apperatus lost in that blaze. The State never recieved one penny in help to offset what they contributed. In addition, it was the State of Texas that granted those low interest loans for all those homeowners that lost their homes. Seems Obama did not care about them. I believe they will not care about him on election day

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            As I recall, Texas wasn't helpful in Obama's win over McCain.

            1. American View profile image54
              American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No, Texas does not approve of Obama. I do not think that will change

            2. Repairguy47 profile image59
              Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So its tit for tat government? Thanks for admitting his corruptness.

            3. Quilligrapher profile image90
              Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hello, Ralph. Good to see you here.
              You’re right about that. Texas hasn't helped a Democrat presidential candidate since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Although McCain won 100% of Texas’ 34 Electoral Votes in 2008, President Obama had 44% of the popular vote.  Far from a landslide for McCane.
              (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e … 008/tx.htm)

          2. kerryg profile image85
            kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            For a guy who keeps threatening to secede from the union, Perry sure is quick to beg for federal help. His requests for a Major Disaster declaration included 252 of Texas's 254 counties, which was a ludicrous exaggeration even before you consider that even some of the counties hardest hit by the fires don't qualify for federal rebuilding aid (only firefighting aid, which many got) because the majority of damaged homes were vacation homes, not primary residences.

            Texas owed the Federal Fire Fund $75 million at the beginning of 2011 and they've continued to charge the current fires to the FFF, so if the FEMA FMAGrant gets approved (as of May, 25 already had), Texas only owes 25%, which can be paid, interest free, at its leisure. With a $75 million debt before the 2011 fires even started, it's pretty obvious that Texas has been abusing the federal system, while simultaneously cutting funding to its own state firefighting agencies. Who's looking for "freebies" now?

            1. American View profile image54
              American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Kerry,

              The grants you keep refering to do not go to the State of Texas, they are grants that go to local municipalities, not just in Texas, but in all States.
              During the 2009 and 2010 award periods, the federal Department of Homeland Security through FEMA awarded $39,747,075 to Texas fire departments for firefighting,Through the Assistance to Firefighter Grants, Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response Grants, Fire Prevention and Safety Grants, and Fire Station Construction Grants. That dollar amount does not include complete data for two of the grant programs (FP&S and FSC) which have not yet provided their information for the 2010 grant application period. In 2009 those two grant programs gave a total of $4,339,014 to Texas.

              Now I am sure you do not mean to confuse or mislead the readers but the the fact is Under Section 11 of the Federal Fire Prevention and Control Act of 1974 the Fedral Fire Fund is strictly for wildfires on FEDERAL land. The homes destroyed and the land that was scorched In Texas was not on Federal land, therefore that fund is not applicable to this situation. In addition, that fund does not allow for low interest loans on homes lost. It's sole purpoe is to clean and restore the federal land, like for example the replanting of trees lost in the blaze.

              So it appears Texas is not abusing anything. A piece of advise, do not put much stock in an article that says "the word on the street is Texas owes" The "word" is generally always wrong. In fact is this fund is a  part of and overseen by the USFA, the USFA is a part of FEMA which gets there funding from the Federal General fund as part of the yearly budget.

              1. kerryg profile image85
                kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "The grants you keep refering to do not go to the State of Texas, they are grants that go to local municipalities"

                That's because most of Texas's firefighters are local volunteers and municipal fire departments due to the state forest service having insufficient funds to protect the whole state.

                I'm not sure where I implied that the FFF was intended for anything other than firefighting aid. Federal rebuilding aid would come from a Major Disaster declaration, but as I pointed out above, some of the counties that Perry demanded be included in the declaration weren't eligible for federal rebuilding aid even if such a declaration had been made.

                Which one ultimately was, by the way: http://www.fema.gov/news/event.fema?id=14975

                1. American View profile image54
                  American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  While most of Texas is Paid or paid assist departments, there are many that are 100% volunteer. Those places do not have the tax base and dearly need and receive State aid, The Grants are something totally else. They are used for many specific purposes,such as apperatus, equiptment, training, and more,  not to just add to the budget.

                  AS for the FFF, you insinuated Texas owes them and Texas is draining the system, when in fact funding comes from Fema, not state payments.

                  You said "His requests for a Major Disaster declaration included 252 of Texas's 254 counties" You supplied the Fema report that says

                  “Release Date: August 18, 2011
                  Release Number: 1999-010
                  AUSTIN, Texas -- Four additional Texas counties have been designated for federal disaster assistance for wildfires, according to officials with the Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM) and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). This brings the total number of eligible counties to 50.
                  Notice the release date, it includes the current fires that are burning today that have claimed 170  homes so far. Take notice of the release number. That means the request began in 1999. Also notice that it brings the total counties to 50, not the 252 counties as you claimed. Now let me explain, Since 1999, Texas has applied for Federal Aide for 50 counties. Thats, requests for 50 counties, not 50 seperate requests over 12 years.  Now in case you did not know, Perry was not Govenor in 1999.

                  If you do not like Perry or Texas, that's fine. I am not for Perry either. But please be accurate on your points.

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                    Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I believe Perry has called SS a "Ponzi scheme" and a "monstrous lie" and that he looks forward to repeal of Medicare and the healthcare reform bill. I can only imagine what he would do to Social Security, given the chance. Fortunately it's not likely he'll get the chance.

                    "[PERRY:] I don’t think our founding fathers when they were putting the term “general welfare” in there were thinking about a federally operated program of pensions nor a federally operated program of health care. What they clearly said was that those were issues that the states need to address. Not the federal government. I stand very clear on that. From my perspective, the states could substantially better operate those programs if that’s what those states decided to do."

                    He's almost as looney tunes as Michele Bachman.

                  2. kerryg profile image85
                    kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You said "His requests for a Major Disaster declaration included 252 of Texas's 254 counties"

                    His original request, which was denied for obvious reasons.

                    Where are you getting that the FEMA disaster declaration was originally issued in 1999? The numbering appears to be based on number of disaster declarations, not year of issue, unless you think that Irene hit Puerto Rico, North Carolina, New York, and New Jersey in 4017, 4019, 4020, and 4021 respectively:

                    http://www.fema.gov/news/disasters.fema?year=2011

                    The actual declaration states that it was issued July 1, 2011 and confirms that the original, denied request was for 252 counties:

                    http://www.fema.gov/pdf/news/pda/1999.pdf

                    Nor does FEMA show any record of any major disaster declarations relating to wildfires from 1999. The only two from Texas that year were Hurricane Bret and some tornadoes:

                    http://www.fema.gov/news/disasters_state.fema?id=48

            2. Repairguy47 profile image59
              Repairguy47posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              When did Perry threaten to secede from the United States? I think its another case of liberal hyperbole.

              http://www.politifact.com/texas/stateme … nted-sece/

        2. American View profile image54
          American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Current Texas fire has destroyed 174 homes so far. Guess Obama will not declare a disaster again, then maybe he will looking for campaign points

      3. Quilligrapher profile image90
        Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Howdy, Rep. I may be a little late, but welcome to Hubpages.

        No disrespect intended. I was just struck by your comment above and had to throw in my own little bit of humor. I chuckled when I read “we won't help him get reelected.” Since you also said, "we didn't help him get elected the first time", maybe he won’t need your help next time either.

        Just a thought, Rep. Enjoy your evening.

    3. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They are both irresponsible jerks. Cantor is worse than Paul. I think he stepped on his you-know-what this time.

      1. American View profile image54
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I do not know, I think Paul is worse, but in the end, does it matter. They both suck.

    4. bgamall profile image84
      bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      American, I appreciate your comments. I wrote an ebook on Cantor. His picture is on it. I go into the real motives that he has for doing what he is doing. Secret: it is all about blowing another housing bubble.

      1. American View profile image54
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know I am going to regret this, but what does his pitiful budget, what he wants to do to SS and Medicare have to do with another bubble

        1. bgamall profile image84
          bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          By cutting massively, and by deflating the economy massively, he and Ryan have budgeted in a housing bubble as a means to cut unemployment and jumpstart the economy. This is very DANGEROUS to the middle class.

          It is desperation at work. And it is because they are funded by hedge funds that created the last bubble. Big time funded.

          1. American View profile image54
            American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, but that makes no sense what so ever, I knew I was going to regret asking

            1. bgamall profile image84
              bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You don't need to regret asking. Just read Katya's article at BI that exposes Cantor's backers, hedge funds, the same ones that caused the original housing bubble:

              http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-can … ton-2011-7

    5. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Um, disaster money comes straight out of the deficit. And as you say, there will always be disasters so this is adding to the huge debt.

      It should be budgeted for, that's only logical.  "Socialist" countries like New Zealand have a civil defense fund for this purpose.

      1. American View profile image54
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        FEMA has a budget, but it never covers all that happens. Hard to budget for what we do not know is coming

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually the core costs in the US are drawn directly from the debt. FEMA has only routine operational funding like salaries and equipment, not funding for compensation paid to those who lose property or family members (e.g. widows).

          This is radically different to what most other countries do, in terms of having a emergency fund or multiple funds paid into every year and drawn down in emergency.

          New Zealand for example has a specific earthquake fund which was recently exhausted due to unprecedented multiple quakes and they are deciding how to replenish it (e.g. special tax, general tax and or cuts).

          1. American View profile image54
            American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry Psyche I miss understood your previous post, having a wierd day here today.

  2. profile image0
    Emile Rposted 6 years ago

    I hadn't heard this, but I'm not surprised. Disaster relief helps the American people. Of course they begrudge the expenditure. I didn't see anyone rushing to figure out where the hundred of billions were going to be made up when Wall street had their disaster relief. I don't remember Bush even bringing that up.

    I could be wrong.

    1. American View profile image54
      American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Emile,

      This is not a free handout. The people have to pay this money back. So there is no reason for the US gov to not help. Cantor is out of line calling it an expenditure.

      1. profile image0
        Emile Rposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know. And I agree with you. It's simply that anything that will directly benefit the American people, even if it washes out and is paid back in the long run, will of course be seen as a burden in the short term by Washington. Why would our taxes dollars be used to benefit us?

  3. Moderndayslave profile image61
    Moderndayslaveposted 6 years ago

    With all of the taxes we pay,not only income,what is Disaster Aide for? Peoples whole lives are now a political football? Insurers are raising rates also, for what ,using your policy? This place is beginning to be a joke.

  4. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    You're not surpised by this are you?
    Cantor and co. made it very clear they don't care for anyone under six figures and up.
    People voted for them anyway!
    They are getting what they voted for.

    We tried to tell them it was Bush on steroids....All they could say was Nobama Nobama.

    This attitude is what the rabid right live by....get used to it, and worse!

    Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer too.

    1. Moderndayslave profile image61
      Moderndayslaveposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not 1 bit.

    2. American View profile image54
      American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am not surprised, I was never a Cantor fan. And all that many will say next year is Nobama.

  5. JamaGenee profile image87
    JamaGeneeposted 6 years ago

    If SocSec is a Ponzi scheme, it's the longest-running and most successful in history.  The real Ponzi scheme and "monstrous lie" would be privatizing SocSec and Medicare. If what happened to pension funds in the last decade is an example, SocSec in the hands of Wall Street and Big Money would absolutely guarantee it would go bankrupt in a very short time.  The fraud and waste in Medicare DOES have to be stopped, but repealing it is NOT the answer.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Right on, JamaGenee!

      I think he's also talked about Texas seceding.

      1. JamaGenee profile image87
        JamaGeneeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I've been strongly suggesting Texas secede for years, so I say "Go for it!". No prob. I live 2 hours from the OK-TX border and my passport is good until 2013. :-)

  6. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    *doing a double take*
    I agree with you, AV, on three major posts here.
    1. Cantor is a jerk.
    2. Perry is a jerk.
    3. The Republicans are doing a great job losing 2012.

    I think I should stop posting and savor this historical HP forums trifecta!

    1. American View profile image54
      American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      MM,

      Nice to hear from you, have not seen you in a while. It is a funny trifecta, sad, but funny. You could not write a book with these kinds of characters. Even Steven King is not that good

  7. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago
    1. Mighty Mom profile image90
      Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for that,Ralph.
      VERY Well stated.
      Of course, the usual naysayers will be quick to ridicule the source (Paul Krugman) as a hack economist.
      They always do.

      1. American View profile image54
        American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He is a hack. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But Cantor is a true idiot using the budget as a political tool. True Americans come to the aid of people in need. We worry about the rest later. COntor is showing he may not be red, white and blue

        1. Mighty Mom profile image90
          Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You are really, really scaring me, AV.
          We seem to be agreeing on everything all of a sudden!*
          How can this be?
          Oh well, I'm not complaining.

          *The Cantor part, not the Krugman part.

          1. American View profile image54
            American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL MM

            I get this all the time. I keep telling everyone I am an independent. I do not take either sied serious and check on it and post what I believe is correct. When Its for the left, the right is fairly quiet, when its for the right, they come out of the woodwork and attack. Though In another thread I was pointing out something that was a left idea and I agreed with it, and I had one of the left guys who go after me in other thread, went after me there, and I was agreeing with him LOL.

            MM at least while we do not always agree, we talk without the bantor or name calling and that is why you have my respect. Take care

            1. Mighty Mom profile image90
              Mighty Momposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Right you are, AV.
              While Congress may be acting like kindergartners (note to hubbers: see other forum thread started by AV today), I'm proud to say we conduct ourselves at a substantially higher level of decorum.
              6th grade, at least, don't you agree?
              lol

              1. American View profile image54
                American Viewposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                WE do MM and thank you

                1. bgamall profile image84
                  bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You read this right, in answer to your question about Eric Cantor, hedge funds and his desire for a housing bubble:

                  http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-can … ton-2011-7

  8. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    He also wants to make aid to Israel a permanent part of our budget. He is a Zionist, working for Israel! IMO.


    “An israel-fir­st zionist like Cantor doesn't give **** about Americans. His main interest, like all the ZionCons, is keeping us suckered into bleeding in wars to "protect" zionist crimes against humanity in Palestine.

    Republican Rep. Eric Cantor Brags About Committing Treason

    .... Eric Cantor (R-VA) ... has joined the ranks of treasonous legislator­s, and taken it further by breaking a Federal law. Cantor engaged in talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the same day that the U.S. Secretary of State met with Netanyahu, and vowed that he and his GOP colleagues would protect and defend Israeli interests against his own Government­; the United States of America...­.

    It is against The Logan Act, a Federal Law, to deal with a foreign government against the government of the United States. Cantor’s actions are a direct violation of the Logan Act and he should be impeached, indicted, convicted and imprisoned to the full extent of the law. The Logan Act states:...

    If Republican­s truly care about America, they will prosecute Cantor for treason under the Logan Act for working with a foreign government against the interests of the United States of America. However, hypocrisy is the hallmark of the Republican Party, and they will be true to their hypocrisy by letting Eric Cantor get away with treason. It is the Republican way."

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/cantor-treason

    I would like to add that Tea-Bagger Marco Rubio flew straight to Israel after he won his election. Why?

    1. bgamall profile image84
      bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Cantor is flawed in many, many ways.

  9. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    "Lawless extremists infest Congress like crabgrass besets lawns. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R. FL) is one of the worst.

    On August 30, (with 57 co-sponsors) she introduced “HR 2829: To promote transparency, accountability, and reform within the United Nation system, and for other purposes.”

    It’s also called the “United Nations Transparency, Accountability, and Reform Act of 2011.”

    The bill was referred to the House Foreign Affairs committee she heads.

    If enacted, her bill will slash UN contributions and punish its organizations for embracing full Palestinian rights.

    It “(o)pposes efforts by the Palestinian leadership to evade a negotiated settlement with Israel” by seeking UN recognition, and “(w)ithholds US contributions from any UN agency or program that upgrades the status of the PLO/Palestinian observer mission.”

    The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), providing humanitarian aid to Palestinian refugees and Gazans under siege will be specifically targeted by her bill."
    --Stephen Lendman


    Can anyone please tell me why an American Congressperson is doing this? How does this concern America? The money we give to the UNRWA?
    But what of the money we give Israel? And Rubio said that Social security and medicare "hand-outs" "weakens" people. Are we not "weakening" foreign country's
    by giving them aid?

    Why are Cantor, Rubio and Ros-Lethin so concerned with Israel?
    I thought their big goal was Jobs Jobs Jobs? For Americans!

    Republicans: Where do your loyalties lie? Dems too, for that matter!!

    WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

 
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