Never in my life have I seen such vitriol directed at our current POTUS and our former POTUS. Some people didn't like Clinton or Daddy Bush, some made fun of Ford and thought Carter was inept, and some thought Ronnie was senile, but I honestly don't remember as much pure hate directed at any of these as I've seen aimed at GWB and Obama. Even if you don't agree with the presidents' policies, shouldn't the office at least garner a little respect? Isn't it possible to disagree with them without calling them vile names and depicting them as headhunters, Nazis, monkeys, Alfed E. Newman, idiots, and non-citizens? I'm not talking about good-natured jokes here - presidents have always been the butt of those. I'm talking about pure venom. I learned a long time ago that hate will consume and destroy the hater, eventually.
This tirade was prompted by the comments I read on blogs last night, mostly directed toward Obama, with a few Bush attacks. Can't we, as Americans, do better than this?
That's a strange question to ask now, Bush was dragged through the mud a long time ago. Now its Obama's turn to be roughed up and people are concerned? He's a terrible president and deserves as much criticism as he gets. Get over it.
but in all fairness Obama has United most of us as we all feel we are screwed haha.....
I thought with Bush, it was a fluke. Now that Obama is getting the same treatment, I worry that it's a trend. And since you're new here and don't know me, I'll tell you that I didn't vote for Obama. In fact, we still have McCain stickers on our auto. I disagree with a lot of Obama's policies and hope the GOP can run a candidate worthy of my vote. I'm not whining for Obama - I'm concerned about the office, in general.
The nation is certainly more polarized than any time in my memory. Too bad.
A lot of people follow the leader who sets or perpetuates the standard for civility in public conversation. Bush never, as far as I remember, publicly bad-mouthed former leaders or Obama OR the average citizen. Obama has done all that. And his followers have taken that inch and made it into miles and miles of hateful carp. Conservatives, for the most part, do fight back, but not usually with the vileness of the Left; conservatives usually fight on the issues, not against Obama as a person.
Name a single time that Obama has done that. If you can't, you may have just offered a load of carp.
"conservatives usually fight on the issues, not against Obama as a person."
That's the load of carp! IMO
He's a piece of sh*t
On public housing. hahah the WH
related to escaped gorilla
I hate him.....
Nothing to do with policy. Just Obama-Hate.
Now, here's the dif: Bush and Cheney are war criminals....see? Policy!
He has said we all share a "horrendous tragic history" in reference to the civil rights movement. What he so conveniently forgets is that that issue has been straightened out and done with and he should NOT keep bringing it back up. He apparently knows nothing about forgiveness toward others nor how to ask for it himself. He just doesn't care. He called America "arrogant" and continues to blame us all for every ill that a few people have done. He has mocked evangelical Christians, and actually all Christians; mocked those who believe in the right to bear arms for our own protection; tried to sway our kids not to follow their grandparents' and parents' teachings. He's tried to get Bush prosecuted for things that happened during his Presidency. He's mocked average citizens who simply wanted him properly vetted. Not to mention the stuff Michelle Obama has said that he hasn't even tried to apologize for allowing.
Being a sarcastic arrogant mocker against honest citizens isn't one of the requirements of the Oval Office, nor is it needed or desired.
As I suspected - carp. Civil right issues have been "straightened out" ?
Remember back in the good ol' days of politics?
Back when DUELS were the way to settle things? (Hamilton Burr... Burr kicked Hamilton's ass!)
Or, y'know, severe beatings with canes?
Hey Habee. Great question and by the jest of hubbers responses, people are clearly scared and overwhelmingly frustrated by the political gridlock of both parties and from the complete disregard for the betterment of the American people.
I tend to write some off to the internet; it is too easy to go public while retaining anonymity.
The intense, vitriolic mud slinging campaigns don't help. Constant media picking at picayune matters hurts.
Our entire political system has become a battle ground for companies and individuals looking for government monies and more power. While it has always been this way to some extent the battle has intensified enormously and personal attacks are seen as one way to get what they want.
It's a mess.
I think we always have been!
It's just really coming to the surface with a black man as president.
These attacks on Obama SO remind me of the stuff I heard growing up in the 60's.
Deny it all you want, you aint foolin this white girl.
Rush Limbaugh broke my virgin ears back in the 90's. His attacks on Clinton, I could not BELIEVE.
He has stepped it up a notch now.
Oh, I mean down a notch....in the pits of hell, that is.
Come on Ralph, evil? You wonder why the U.S. is polarized? You are not offering solutions you are fanning the flames of hatred, I suspect hatred for Bush is ok but its bad when directed at your guy.
Have you ever listened to Russsshhhhhh?
To say he hates Democrats is an understatement. To say he thinks Obama is a dirty-pig is being kind.
Or he's acting, in which case he's a paid hate-monger.
He spews hate...you can feel it. Same with Beck. The only question is it real, or faked?
C'mon, give Rush a break. He uses terms like femi-nazi and environmentalist whacko in the most loving way.
Limbaugh has the credibilty of a rock. He's just a radio comentator who likes the sound of his own voice. He's not a journalist or has any ties to politics or politicians. All this a**hole does is spin newspaper topics to please his dedicated right wing conservative audience who can't think for themselves.
I would comment but Rush hasn't told me what to think yet.
Sure he has!!:
"Mr.Obama(never president) is a fraud. He was not born here, hates America, and is activally working to destroy her.
Any of these Republican candidates could wipe the floor with him, and I hope Sarah Palin gets in the race.
We need a real American as president, not a commie sympathizer, who hates business.
Whatever it takes to get him out, we must do!"
::::: I don't listen to him, so I'm sure I don't have the vicious hominems down....but I'll bet when he talks about Obama, you can just feeeeel the hate and derision ooozing out of him.....like poison.
Which is what that Koch group is set up to do; slow poison drip of character assasination.
Limbaugh accuses Obama of a controled media several times. But yet that fat turd screens all the incoming calls and only accepts the callers who kisses his fat ass and tells him how great he is!
That's true, he puts those that disagree with him on first. Don't listen much do you?
Actually my dad does when he's working with me on my construction site. He's not a follower but likes to listen to Limbaugh for the sole purpose of mocking him. I don't understand why my dad does that.
I think you have trouble understanding the difference between satire and actual hate. Try listening to Maxine Waters for a lesson in hate spewing.
“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”
I'm sure Rush was joking.
Probably was, what was he talking about? I have no idea what this quote is from or even if Rush said it, do you think you could direct me to the source?
Rush is a hatemonger. I dunno if I'd go so far as to call him evil, but he certainly has a different sense of morality than most of us. He doesn't seem to have a problem with repeating misleading (or outright false) information, for example.
Hate monger-One who incites others to hatred or prejudice. Rush informs his listeners of the latest goings on politically and then gives his interpretation. It is usually punctuated with humor and satire. The left who is almost completely humorless misinterprets it and calls it hate for their benefit. Ive been listening to Rush for over twenty years and I have seen more hate in these forums perpetrated by liberals in the last two weeks than all of the past 20 years from Rush.
You're right. Name a single left-leaning comedian..
I didn't think so.
That settles THAT!
If you call Bill Maher a comedian I guess technically you would be right. I wasn't talking about comedians Ron I was talking about liberal commentators, but, they usually say some stuff that is quite funny even though its not intended.
Stephen Colbert is probably the funniest of the right wingers...
Once again Ron, not talking about comedians. You are aware Colbert isn't really a news guy?
Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Larry David. There's four, want me to continue?
I think it doesn't bother you, because you agree with him politically!
You listened to Russsshhhhhh during Clinton,and heard no hate? Wow....
I had to stop listening. In the same way I don't watch gory movies.....don't want to fill my mind with it!
And if you cannot see the hatred for Obama....we are on different planets!
I see hate for Obama just as I saw it for Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. If you are asking me if I care then the answer is hell no. I think he is a punk. The difference is my view of him is from watching and listening to him.
Wait wait...you're saying that Reagan and Bush 1 got the same level of vitriol spewed at them as Obama has? You're dreaming. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee, mate. Sure, there has always been a fringe of folks who have nothing good to say about the president, and sure, Reagan had his share of critics. But neither Reagan nor Bush 1 saw anything like the level of nasty now directed at Obama.
W? I'll grant you that there was a lot of pure hate spewed at him. I remember seeing it, and it was pretty nasty. But it wasn't as rampant as it's been for Obama. The haters started in on Obama before the guy was even elected, and haven't let up since.
(As an aside, I figured Obama would be both more electable and more effective than Hillary Clinton, since Clinton seemed to be a polarizing figure. We'll never know if Clinton could have won the election, but dang if the country hasn't polarized even further during the Obama presidency. I'm not sure if this means that Obama is just as polarizing as Clinton, or if the right wing would have started hating on any liberal in the Whitehouse.)
Really? You don't think the things said about Reagan having Alzheimer's was just a bit too much? I think its you who needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Most things said about Obama somehow are the result of racism , right? Obama is a terrible president and deserves the criticism. Things said about Reagan having a disease are the typical rantings of whiny liberals.
"You don't think the things said about Reagan having Alzheimer's was just a bit too much?"
That's all you got? With Reagan you got a few people saying he had Alzheimer's. With Obama, you got tons of people saying he's not really a US citizen, that he hates America and wants to destroy it, that he's in league with Islamist terrorists, that he's a Communist, that he's a Muslim (as if that makes him a bad person). How many people showed up at rallies carrying signs that implied that they wanted to shoot Ronald Reagan? Plenty of people have done so under Obama (2nd amendment solution, time to water the tree, etc...)
"Most things said about Obama somehow are the result of racism , right?"
Most? I doubt that. But you're right: there is a lot of racism in the anti-Obama crowd.
Just in case you thought you were being ironic, here's proof that you were really right:
Emphasizing his foreign-sounding middle name and putting him in a turban.
Racist and ignorant at the same time (muslin is a fabric).
One of the veiled threats.
Implying he's not only Muslim but a Muslim cleric, and making up nonsense about banning pork
Caracature with big ol' lips, and calling the President a Dog.
Double-whammy: a threat of armed violence as well as a depiction of Obama as donkey poo.
And I didn't even have to look that hard to find these. That's a bit beyond the folks who accused Ronald Reagan of senility, don't you think? And if the folks who said stuff about Reagan and Alzheimers were whiny, well, what do you call these guys?
Oh, wait, never mind: you already pulled out the ol' double-standard.
Obama deserves it, but anyone criticizing Reagan is a ranting whiner.
I don't know how many people showed up with signs saying they wanted to shoot Reagan. I know one guy showed up with a gun and shot Reagan. Lots of people hate Obama, I hate Obama because I hate arrogant no nothings. To say its worse towards Obama is just wrong.
I said Obama deserved criticism, he does. If you think this kind of thing is the criticism I am talking about then you are just a little hysterical.
"Ive been listening to Rush for over twenty years and I have seen more hate in these forums perpetrated by liberals in the last two weeks than all of the past 20 years from Rush."
Then you haven't been paying attention to Rush's show.
No--I have no problem.
hate is hate is hate.
No matter how you try and pretty it up. At least The Nuge is honest: "Hey Obama, suck on this!" (barrell of a gun)
No, LMC. It came to the surface with W, too. As for Rush, I've never listened to him. Never.
I agree but President Obama has added to it by such statements as “they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back” when referring to republicans before the election in 2010. Not a very Presidential statement.....
“they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”
What is wrong with that? That is how it works! We elect a Democrat, we expect Democratic principles of governing.
It has been just the opposite this time...and I'd like to know why.
It's disturbing to say the least. Last night my son posted a comment in regard to a highly opinionated article blasting the US, and one of the posters commented back saying he hoped Iran would drop a bomb on his house. Where does this hatred come from? The posters screen name is 'americansaredumb'. [not on Hubpages]
Like wilderness said, a lot of it comes from anonymity and cowardice. Would he say that face to face?
I get most of my news from PBS and a few select newspapers. I can't listen to the other stuff. The Republican National Convention is going to be in Tampa. I can only imagine the mood of the nation at that time. It makes me sad at times that politics has become the focus of many peoples lives. Everything is blamed on the President. It's not the Presidents fault that someone doesn't have a job. Look at the housing market and the banks. Who can afford to move and accept a job offer if they can't sell their house? So the job offers aren't made. Businesses can't pay for a prospective employees underwater home.
becareful with PBS......George Soros contributes a lot to control the programming....soros calls for a nation without borders and is a huge socialist......
I think you are talking about NPR.
I have found the PBS Newshour to be more centrist and objective. I definitely don't listen to Fox. CNN is repetitive. Networks are mostly soundbites.
PBS and NPR but the newshour you are speaking of is pretty good an unbiased......as I have learned....no matter where you hear something or read it just fact check it and then its fine........I miss the way the news use to be....just the facts and then allowing people to decide and form opinions
It's been this way and even worse from the very beginning, what's new is the internet and 24 hour news networks. Jefferson and Adams attacked each other viciously, though usually through surrogates or name du plumes. Roosevelt gave a speech during the 1936 campaign in Madison Square Garden focusing on the hatred directed at him by Republicans. "I welcome their hatred".
Some left-wing terrorist groups stockpiled arms preparing for battle against Nixon's goons,and carried out bombings of government-related buildings during the early 70's.
Thanks, Ron, I was about to talk about the Jefferson-Adams campaign. They called each other all sorts of names.
And thanks for the reminder of domestic terrorism in the '70s. We haven't got any of that lately, though we have had some threats of it from the opposite end of the spectrum. (2nd amendment solution, anyone?)
I think it's also true that the rational folks on both sides get drowned out by the cranks on both sides. Someone spouting vitriol may not be representative of the folks on his side of a given issue, but boy does the vitriol make good copy. So the nastiest elements get the most attention. It's the press's fault to an extent, but it's also the fault of those of us who watch the media that give us the vitriol. If we'd turn off the cranks, and turned to the rational voices, perhaps the level of discourse might be raised.
We're on our way to the county fair.
I hate all of you.
Have a crappy weekend.
I hate you too Ron, Have a horrible night! lol
well, I meant it from the heart....I hate you, I hate you so much that I hate myself for even looking at your response..I promised myself I wouldnt cry but the hate for you is too strong ....lol
*sniff* my mom used to say that to me...
I could never hate you Habee.
When I woke up this morning, my wife asked me, "Who the hell is Habee?"
LOL we all needed a laugh......politics may divide us but laughter can bring us together.....I am slowly learning that must of us want the same thing being a good country and life but simply do not agree on how to do it.....now there are those who want bad things but I would like to think there are more of us whom want good
"I am slowly learning that must of us want the same thing being a good country and life but simply do not agree on how to do it."
Indeed. But listen to the rhetoric coming from the far-right, and you'll hear "Obama hates America" and "Obama wants to destroy this country."
They would do well to take a page out of your book, Nick.
Wow. Is that a thread-stopper, or evidence of the answer to the original post?
Well, even a Republican thinks the current righty's are retarded.
"Former GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE) can’t muster any praise for his Republican colleagues’ behavior in Congress over the past few months. In an interviewwith the Financial Times, Hagel blasted GOP leadership for their “irresponsible actions” during the debt ceiling debacle, noting that “I think about some of the presidents we’ve had on my side of the aisle — Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., go right through them, Eisenhower — they would be stunned.”
“Disgusted” with the debt ceiling negotiations, Hagel called it “an astounding lack of responsible leadership by many in the Republican party, and I say that as a Republican.” “Does anyone not believe what’s happened here the last couple weeks in the market was not a complete, direct result of the lack of confidence that came out of that folly, that embarrassment?” he asked.
Asked about Tea Party influence, Hagel said the Republican party is too captive to a movement that is “very ideological” and “very narrow.” “I’ve never seen so much intolerance as I’ve seen today,” he said. Later surveying the GOP 2012 field, Hagel said the party may need to rebuild, agreeing that Republicans are now “too far to the right.”
Thank you Mr Hagel. Never seen so much intolerance!
Now SCRAM you Baggers!
We want OUR country back from the evil you birthed.
“Does anyone not believe what’s happened here the last couple weeks in the market was not a complete, direct result of the lack of confidence that came out of that folly, that embarrassment?” he asked.
In other words: NOF. Not Obama's Fault.
It was absolutely Obama's fault and he will pay the price for his failure to lead.
Exactly how is that? Wall St is waiting for Uncle Ben to print more money to inflate even more Americans out of a life.
The market's been up and down depending on the news of the day.
Big jump the day we found out insurance companies aren't going to have to pay out as much for Irene as predicted.
Big drop on the day the government announced stagnant employment report* and went after BofA et al for their mortgage fraud.
Which of these is directly attributable to Obama?
*Do not tell me Obama is solely responsible for the unemployment rate. You can't have it both ways. Either the government SHOULD be involved in creating jobs or it should stay out of the free market's way.
Heck, the GOP won't even let him come talk to them about job creation when he wants to. Geez.
You don't see how Obama can create an environment where business doesn't want to add more jobs? That's really hard for me to believe,
So your saying that if there was "A better business environment" companies would create more jobs. Why? If the rank and file Americans have no money to spend,due to inflation and job losses thanks to Wall St and the previous administrations economic policies ,there is no demand to meet. Businesses hire people to meet demand,period. They don't just hire people because there's "A good President" or business policy,Which looks like paying no taxes and doing as they please if you listen to enough republicans.
"Now SCRAM you Baggers!
We want OUR country back from the evil you birthed."
The GOP War On Voting
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … g-20110830
Funded by.......Guess Who!!
Which is to say nothing of fixing by voting machine, the software no one is allowed to see.
You don't know me do you. Its the reason Obama will be re-elected. He is their guy.
If everybody in the world has to buy oil with dollars, where do they get those dollars?
"Alexander Hamilton was a Freemason. He was also the intermediary between that organization and the Rothschild banking family. His attempts to turn the US Treasury over to that group were stopped by a bullet from Vice President Aaron Burr."
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/07/gordon … onic-plot/
I do not think there is more hatred or disrespect. I think more people are involved with the process. They are making more noise.
There is more accessibility to others (internet), and for the first time people are awakening to facts.. WE have been lied to and deceived for hundreds of years.
We are as mad as Hell and we ain't gonna take it anymore!!!!!
America has a long history of criticism and animosity between political opponents. This isn't about hate at all but belief in how mankind should govern itself and what role government should play in society. We have a long history of what can go wrong when we allow too much centralization of power and when we sacrifice our personal responsibility to bureaucracy. There is no compromise between this view and that of opponents who believe government is the owner of all wealth and the agent of the people to insure its proper distribution, fairly. Consequently between those visions there will be heated debate.
Sorry, but I don't recall one time when citizens brought guns to a Bush rally. Sheehan was arrested for wearing a t-shirt announcing the amount of war dead in Iraq.
Imagine if SHE had stood up and yelled "You Lie!" at Bush!
There was no television network with Bush-Bashing 24/7, nor a radio blitz of Bush hate every day.
In fact, I remember being iced out when he was prez: told to shut up, called a traitor, un-American, all kinds of nasty.
NOW these same people are Bashing this president left and right.
Bush was hated for what he did! Obama is hated for who he is. IMHO, and from what I see.
"Sheehan was arrested for wearing a t-shirt announcing the amount of war dead in Iraq.
Imagine if SHE had stood up and yelled "You Lie!" at Bush!
71 yr old man arrested for questioning Paul Ryan.
http://uppitywis.org/blogarticle/71-yea … an-meeting
Has the U.S. become a nation of haters? Only in appearance. More like selfish, egotistical tyrants in their mind. Wanting to control other people. The government is sorely rubbing off on the willful ignorant individuals.
Clicking on here, I see a new hub called The Obamy's.
I consider that racist.
As is Obongo.
And I am sick to death of it.
You don't fool me. I've been here long enough, and seen enough.
You leave me no choice but to answer Rotten for Rotten.
Anyone who doubts the level of Bush hate needs to go here and view the pics, watch the videos, and read about the death threats:
habee--Those were awful...I couldn't even finish looking at them. What is WRONG with people? I think some folks get so caught up in politics that they forget that the president is a human being, and also has a family who sees and hears these things...
Both sides are guilty of these transgressions, too, when will it stop?
Hi, Tam. I agree - it is pretty sickening. I have no problem with folks disagreeing with the POTUS, but there's a right way to do it.
Indeed. And yeah, there was a lot of nasty sent W's way. I'd never deny it. But I really don't think there was as much nasty at W then as there is toward Obama now.
It's possible that it's easier to see it now, but the internet was up and running during the W years, too (which may be why the vitriol started flowing then).
George McGovern was on Diane Reim today, and he said he has never seen it so vitriolic as now.
He says it's because people see the other side as the enemy...and that got me to thinking I know WHY it's worse now. Because the politicians themselves are getting into the act!
THEY are calling Obama a terrorist, saying he wasn't born here, all this muslim crap. It is the Republicans and Tea-Bagger politicians who are doing it too.
So while Bush had hating protestors, he didn't have hating politicians and hating tv stations and hating radio shows saying the same thing.
It's Obama-Hate overload! And now the mantra is "Obama is an utter failure........" From the gd politicians! Romney you bum.
And none of them have lifted a finger to help him help us!
It's worse, and it's racial and it's saying Obama hates America.......and saying I as a Liberal hate America........While spewing the vilest hate from their own mouths.
Which nationally syndicated Democrat ever said "Bush is not MY president"?
Thanks for just proving our point, LMC...and please would you knock it off with the "racial" line--it's getting old and over-used.
Somebody wroter a hub here yesterday titled "The Obamy's."
I'll knock it off when they do!
(in case you don't know, Mammy was a term from a vaudeville singer who used to dress up in black-face. His song was "Mammy")
Obammy/Mammy.......get the drift. I do.
How about Obamy and Grammy? Didn't actually read the hub did you?
No-it was insulting enough on the title. I don't give that crap even a second of my time.
You didn't notice that Grammy rhymes with Obamy? Have you considered maybe you have the problem with race that you project onto others?
Yeah, I have a 12 yr old grandson that has been called a N more times than I want to know.
And I have a friend who was framed for murder and sits in prison because he's black.
And I lived through the 60's, 70's....saw a lot.
And had to see it all again in 2008 til now. Makes me sick. And I'm sick of it.
so, I'm giving back.
From now on, Perry is "that redneck cracker".
Palin is "the Hillbilly Honky", and Romney is "the white oreo....white on the outside, even whiter inside".
I'll be sure to go to rallies and hold signs with pictures expressing my views....
But oh nonononononononoooooo, heaven forfend it is racist....oh no silly, you are just confused.
My son was 8 years old when he was beat in the head by a 11 year old black boy. My son-in-law has lost out on several positions that he scored highest on because he wasn't a minority.Does that make me angry? Yes. Does it make me racist? NO! Do I hate all blacks because of a few bad episodes? NO. We live between two black families and get along very well with them, and I'm "buddies" with their two little boys.
And yeah, I lived through the 60's and 70's, too...I also saw poor white kids treated horribly by rich kids, just because they were "different"...
So see...this crap works both ways, but it's how we deal with it that makes the difference. I refuse to live my life so full of vitriol and hate...I get over past trangressions and move on, just trying to be happy the best I can.
You may want to give it a try, LMC. Believe me, it's a lot better on the ol' blood pressure...
Can I aks (s/o to Russsshhhhh) you something?
Do you say these things to the right-wingers on here?
Because one of them called Obama a buffoon, and another said he was a piece of sh*t.
Do you tell them to give up the hatred, be a better person?
You'd have more credibilty if your judgements went both ways.
I think some folks get so caught up in politics that they forget that the president is a human being, and also has a family who sees and hears these things...
Both sides are guilty of these transgressions, too, when will it stop?
This was in my very first post on this thread--does that answer your question?
I told you before, I am not Republican, nor am I a Democrat. I'm not taking sides.
I also said this to you a few minutes ago:
You're right about this, though--Karma really is a b*tch. But it doesn't favor one party or another--I'd say it's independent, so no one is safe..."
Something you may want to think about...
I'll believe it when I see you go after one of them like you do me.
I'm not "going after you". But when you go ballistic and refuse to even consider you may be wrong about something, you make it hard not to comment. I haven't been on the political threads much lately, but this one hit a nerve, because it's exactly what my husband and I have been discussing lately.
I am sorry if you think I'm singling you out, because I'm not. It's just that you have been the most vocal on this thread, and I was hoping I could make you see reason, along with all of the others who insist on keeping up the hate-mongering.
Why can't any of you see how damaging this behavior is? That's an open question, too--not directed solely at you.
I see Republicans and tea-baggers as the hate mongers, what should I do, ignore my own eyes?
Do me a favor: listen to right-wing talk and fox news all day once....tell me what you feel at the end of the day. Please. Do it, you will see what I mean.
Wow, do you never sleep???
Okay, I'll answer this, although I don't know why I'm bothering to. You obviously have no intention of even trying to understand what I'm trying to say here. You keep skirting around everything I mention, saying I'm targeting you, when I'm not...
I actually HAVE listened to right-wing talk and Fox News, as well as CNN and CNBC. In our house, we watch it all. I don't agree with ALL that any of them say...I make up my own mind and don't allow party politics to sway me.
If both sides would swallow their damn pride, and try listening to each other...oh, what am I saying? It'll never happen, as long as folks on either side insist it's their way or nothing.
"It'll never happen, as long as folks on either side insist it's their way or nothing."
It's not both sides saying their way or nothing....it is Republicans/Baggers saying their way or nothing.
Oh please, LMC...Do you really, honestly believe that? I do feel sorry for you, to be so stubborn that you can't see that there are people who honestly want what is best for this country, but have a different opinion of what can, or should, be done.
The saddest thing, to me anyway, is that I agree with some of your viewpoints, but when you say all these harsh things the way you do, it makes me not even want to acknowledge them. Not only you--there are others, on both sides, that I feel the same way about.
Not that it matters to any of you, though, how I feel, just thought I'd throw it out there...
Well, you shouldn't let others influence your beliefs that way. I am who I am for a reason....not trying to persuade anybody.
And yes,I fully believe it, as I've witnessed it for 3 yrs.
Once those babies go back to their cribby's, we'll all be better off.
lol...There's a difference between "letting others influence your beliefs", and listening to EVERYONE and drawing your own conclusions, LMC. I think that maybe you're so determined to be right that you refuse to even consider anyone else's ideas...oh, well...
I'm done here...talk about beating a dead horse, lol.
habee??? What do you think? Has your question been answered?
I think it has, sadly.
lol...Of course I know what "Mammy" is--but that is not what the hub was about, LMC. It was "The Obamy's", as in "The Grammys" or "The Emmys". I went over and read it after you mentioned it, because I was curious. The hubber isn't an Obama fan, but all his "awards" were not given totally to one party or another, either.
You'll knock it off when they do? Don't you see that that is a MAJOR part of the problem in this country? If one party would take the high road, and quit the hatefest, then maybe, just maybe, the other one will, too.
Two wrongs do NOT make a right...
Obama does take the high road...what does it get him? More bashing and racial insults.
And I took the high road, while being slammed as a traitor by your so-called patriots.
No more. Republicans want decency? They have to earn it!
2 wrongs do not make a right.
and Karma is a b*tch.
"My" so-called patriots? I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not Republican, so your insults don't hurt me, sorry...and I won't rise to your bait, 'cause I DO believe that two wrongs don't make a right.
I feel really sorry for you, LMC. Living with this kind of hatred inside you will eat you alive someday...maybe it already has, but I hope not.
You're right about this, though--Karma really is a b*tch. But it doesn't favor one party or another--I'd say it's independent, so no one is safe...
It was used a lot when I was growing up. They used to do it to this one black kid in particular...whenever he came around, all these white kids would yell "Mammy Mammy"..and go to the ground in the Jolson pose..you know, with the arms out.
Such humiliation just for living I geuss. His being there bothered them.
Romney? You can't blame only him. I was reading a piece by Maureen Dowd last night, and she's not happy with BO, either. Almost every comment from libs and democrats was calling for Obama to step down. You can prolly find the article online. Here, I found it for you. Read the comments:
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/w … -done.html
LMC, when have I ever said that you hate America? And how can you say all Obama opposition is racist? When BO has bashed Bush, was it because Bush is white? I do agree that some of the hatred for BO is most likely PARTIALLY based on racism, but certainly not all of it is. When white liberals bash conservative Herman Cain, is it because he's black?
"When white liberals bash conservative Herman Cain, is it because he's black?" Some of them, probably. There are jackholes on both sides of the spectrum, and the further you get to the ends, the more jackholes you find.
Most Obama opposition is because of his policies. I disagree with this opposition, but respect it.
But it's undeniable that there is a significant minority of Obama-bashers that use racial slurs and xenophobic language in their bashing. Is racism why they oppose him? Who knows? It doesn't really matter. What matters is they're using racist rhetoric, which is incredibly rude.
I agree that the few who are racist are ridiculous....I also agree that it comes from both sides.....it does not help when liberals say someone is racist if they have not said anything racist...personally I am a conservative but would support Obama if he was doing the right things........but because I dislike his policies as many do not we are labeled racist by many.........I assert that those who claim someone is racist when they are not are racist themselves.....Obama has a white mother and a black father......so if I am racist which half of me is racist
There's plenty of black on black and white on white racism.
"personally I am a conservative but would support Obama if he was doing the right things"
Well, imo he is doing (some of) the right things. He's also caved on a lot of things that he ought not to have caved on. We can talk about those things, and why we support or oppose them, without accusing each other of being racist.
Personally, I don't think it's terribly useful to talk about whether someone is a racist or not. It's unimportant and a waste of energy, since it can never be proven or disproven without being able to read the person's mind (impossible).
But that picture of Obama dressed as a witch doctor? Or the cartoon of him in the turban with the exaggerated lips? The sign calling him a "lyin' African?" That stuff sounds pretty racist to me. I don't care whether the people who made or carried those signs are actual racists or not. What I care about is that they were carrying signs with racist images on them.
There are a few possible responses to that observation. They can say,
"Oh, yeah, that's a good point. This sign makes me look like a jerk and doesn't do my argument any favors. I should carry a different sign."
This would be my favorite.
Or they can say, "It's freedom of speech, suck it up." or "It's just a joke."
This is code for "I know it's a racist sign, but I don't care. I'm going to carry it anyway."
Or they can say, "Huh? I don't really think this is a racist cartoon."
This could open a dialogue about what carrying such a sign makes them look like to others. Maybe they'll end up switching to a less racially-charged sign, or maybe they'll still not see a problem with it. Who knows. But it's a better response than "Can't you take a joke?"
"I assert that those who claim someone is racist when they are not are racist themselves."
The I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I defense was overturned in Doody-head v Stinky-bottom (1985)
No, it's because he sells crappy pizza. Liberals love their pizza.
All thse R's do is insult Obama, and I've had it!
Tell me what is their plan? Oh LET ME GUESS.....cut taxes on the wealthy.
Colossal failure? My butt. If not for Obama, we would be in much worse shape. Where's the gratitude?
I'm not accusing you of saying anything Habee...but plenty of people here, and on national air say that Obama hates America, Liberals hate America, he is not MY president...not an American , not a REAL American blah blah BLAH. Sick of it!
And I was called a traitor for questioning Bush....so, what does that make these candidates for insulting Obama? OH, LET ME GUSS....Patriots!
And when BUSH did TARP, why did those Baggers have anti--Obama signs? Racist and disgusting? Where were the anti-Bush signs? It was HIS TARP!
Herman Cain is also a nasty insulter. What is his plan? Oh LET ME GUESS. Tax cuts for the wealthy. All he does is insult Obama as if that's all it takes to get the Republican nod. Well, I guess it is, since that's all any of the R's or Bags ever do.
Even Huntsman, whom Obama had in his cabinet...all he can do is insult.With a nasty twist.
I'm a 60's kid....I know racism when I see it, Nobody can tell me different.
And I heard President Obama today.....he didn't insult anyone!
You also said he is not your president.
So what, you people have "Real Presidents" to go along with your "Real Americans"?
Obama is a fake prez, and I am a fake American....?
Or we just don't matter, we're just in the way until you all get power back. As you have had for most of my life.
Hug it out nothing. Just learn how to share!
learn how to share...........redistribute the wealth! haha
Ok, he is a buffoon and he isn't my president. I wasn't really sorry just offering an olive branch, I hope democrats never get any power again. Why should we share, when we do we are blamed for all the problems democrats have caused. Accept responsibility for this entire financial collapse and then just move along.
Respect for the office of President went out the oval office window with Monica's spit.
Really? Did you know Bush senior had gay sex parties there? It was in the papers and everything.
And I'm SURE you know about the Franklin Cover-up? Oooooops, yup, lead to Bush Daddy's time in office.
Iran/Contra with Reagan? Not as bad as Monica's spit?
You know, it's beginning to look like you far righty's REALLY have a problem with sex...while everything else seems to be OK, no matter the criminality.
Respect for the oval office went out with Rush Limbaugh.
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