tears of joy. proud to be an American once again.
Save your pride. Obama will do as Obama is told to do, just like all the others have done.
Vibes of reality.
I am a New Zealander and I am so proud of you America !!!! for voting for change and showing the courage to trust Obama.
I have never felt hostile toward the U.S.A, and love so many things that would fill pages and pages, but now I feel
new hope and it restores my faith in humanity.
We have had almost all day Television coverage of the U.S.A Elections from trivial fun segments building to more
intense news ( like as the votes became final for different states etc) C.N.N I believe was covering that part.
Our home TV Channels featured things like "Learn the Game of Gridiron"....( darn that had always been my excuse
too )....guess I might as well know why I cheer for the "Steelers"...now hehe
Cooking lessons on 'Apple Pie " and "Pumpkin Pie" yep food works for me , lol
My all time favourite is Shoo Fly Pie and I made that and showed off to my Kiwi Kids
At one of our local University's the Professor who teaches 'American Culture Studies' was interesting to listen too and so many other speakers....
....even got to hear how Americans living here celebrated ( B-B-Q somewhere ) I know! the sauce would have been 'the best' sadly I had to work or I would have offered to wash up ,lol....
So Congratulations America
Have an Awesome week !
P.S...Do my smiley thingys show up here?- Leta Sposted 15 years ago
0 Did anybody said "wishful thinking"?
We shall see
- Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years ago0
too.
Expect some major changes around the time of the second coming......I am with you there Zarm, but the chances of the changes you are talking about actually happening?
Sorry to say, I am oooold now. I have lived through numerous elections in 4 different countries. Every single new electee was ushered in on the promise of "change." Including the first woman Prime Minister of the UK. Oh what a fuss was made over that
Have I seen any changes?
I would LOVE to stand corrected, but......My wife also finds me cute. Fortunately she is the only one who will reap the benefit of such cogent recognition.
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The ruling symbol of fascism is the "fasces".
Would you care to guess where you will find such an official symbol?
If you said within the floor chamber of the House of Representatives of the United States, you get the prize of the day for being a non-idiot regarding politics in the USA. Fascism is alive and well on a daily basis.
With that said, politically speaking, you are nowhere close to having me pegged.
Actually I would challenge you on your understanding of politics.
For example, Bush has been the homosexuals best friend. He has done more to promote Homosexuals than any other president, especially in cultures that are officially hostile to such behavior............................The kicker is that Bush publically informed everyone what would happen legally regarding Marriage and Civil Unions. Not a word was said by the Pro Family groups. Collusion??????
Democrats & Republicans - nothing more than both sides of the same political coin. The election of Obama simply means that the coin has been flipped by the powers that be........and I'm not referring to "We the people."
I sincerely wonder if you will actually be happy at all by the end of Obama's term. Something tells me that there might be many joyous to have the Patriot Act and any Habeus Corpus still in place.Independents are just the edges of the same political coin. I'm not an independent either.
I am completely independent, though.Well then you are not an independent. So I was wrong (no big deal), but do you see anything I was trying to point out to you as part of the problem?
Also, I never said that Bush has been the enemy of homosexuals and I would love it if you could quote me saying that. Also, please do show me in concrete terms where Bush has (on his voting record and in his policy) been the "friend" of homosexuals, rather than simply talking out of both sides of his mouth in order to appease everyone as he grabbed more power in other areas with things like The Patriot Act.
What I did imply is that his administration has created the perfect scenario for someone who is a true fascist or a true dictator to step in the gap and screw the American people over. He himself has violated the law many many times. He is not left or right wing, he is HIS wing. That is Bush and his administration in a nutshell. He did things his own way and was never truly held accountable for it, a sort of in-between dictator who agrees to step down.
He has not been the enemy or the friend of the homosexuals, he hasn't passed law against them but then again he hasn't stopped laws from being passed against them in several states. Being a dictator in that sense isn't something that he is interested in, and it fits well with his overall stance on other things which indicate that as far as civil rights are concerned he doesn't really give a shit one way or the other. He can step up and do things that are unconstitutional and just sit back and watch the base that got him elected take away civil rights from people who are homosexual without ever being their friends or enemy.
I would say that I think that his administration is very goal oriented, they wanted power and used any means necessary to get as much power as they possibly could. This election would have been perfect for a dictator who who wanted to run on a family values platform much akin to Hitler (traditional values family platform and appealing to popular bigotry). Other than Sarah Palin that didn't really manifest so I am thankful that McCain didn't get elected. She doesn't have the intelligence to do what Hitler did anyway, that has been demonstrated many many times in the various interviews where she screwed up.
Of course people are saying that Obama was appealing to populist bigotry and was using fear mongering and trying to divide us against each other, but he never once used any core tactic other than trying to paint McCain as 4 more years of Bush. That isn't bigotry, that is fear of more of the same. So yes he did play on fear, but he wasn't playing on it the same way that other people did (like Bush). He was playing on real fear grounded in a concrete reality that everyone could relate to and almost everyone agreed on anyway before Obama ever came around (that Bush has been bad for this country). This wasn't a boogey man that had been invented to scare people, this was an actuality that had been going on for eight years. Perhaps he might have been wrong, perhaps McCain and Palin wouldn't have been more of the same, in the end though he used a fear that people already had rather than creating a new one out of thin air (like McCain and Palin did with their accusations of socialism), and that is why people feel that he can actually elicit some change for the better. Whether he does or not remains to be seen, and I think it needs to be pointed out that people don't have to be complicit with the two party system we currently have where independents get marginalized and reduced to a swing vote than can be catered to and manipulated.
Most people don't seem to get the fact that we can get outside the box if we all agree that we need to. We can do it anytime from the ground up, people just have to believe that it is possible and be willing to sacrifice and do what it takes to get there. I have seen nothing but cynicism from people all around this election, cynicism is exactly the end goal of any form of dictatorship, a bunch of people mumbling how things can never change and going to their jobs and settling for the depolitization they think to be their consigned Fate. At least Obama tried to do something to get people to hope in change, if he doesn't work out then lets get rid of his administration. That's the way I view it, and it surprises me how many people truly live in fear and cynically respond that such a thing is impossible and then claim they have the answer in the same breadth or that there is no answer in another. Cynicism kills answers, only skepticism allows answers. Cynicism kills intellectual discourse and promotes an "Us vs. Them" attitude and only feeds the incipient fascism that has seeped into our country. With that said I am skeptical of Obama, but I will give him a fair chance to try his hand at things. If he screws up, then he screws up and hopefully people have the sense to fix things and take matters into their own hands by forcefully bringing about a change in administration from the ground up rather then letting themselves be reduced yet again to people that beg pretty please while another Imperial Presidency runs it's course.
And please don't insult my intelligence by implying that I am somehow an idiot when it comes to politics because I didn't know there was a fasces symbol on the floor of the The House. If you want to truly Ad Hominem at least make it more sophisticated and conditional than that. That implicit insult is truly pathetic.
Omg, the CIA seal in Langley reads "The Truth will set you Free", if you didn't know that was on the floor then you are a moron.
I agree.
By the way I love your new avatar. I was just watching the movie last night on cable.Me too. I was sincerely frightened of the McCain/Palin ticket.
But you have to wonder at just exactly how scary McCain/Palin was. That was the best that the republican party and millions of dollars could come up with? The chance that a woman from the back of beyond who likes to shoot things and believes creation should be taught in school would be in charge of the nuclear weapons?
Now, I am not suggesting a conspiracy, but look how excited y'all are that you have a "african american" president.
I remember clearly how excited I was that a middle-class girl from a working family (shop in London) became prime minister of England. Instead of the rich white lawyers we had had before and afterwards. She was all about "change."
Riots in the streets. Massive over inflation of property values, Unions destroyed, a war with Argentina. Massive tax increases. Oh yes. Radically "Changed"
I am not a skeptic. I am a realist.She was also the first woman prime minister, and the union thing was one of many changes promised. Lower income taxes and reduced public expenditure were biggies. "Change,"
The one and only promise she delivered on was to destroy the unions. At a huge cost. After the unions were destroyed, unemployment went through the roof, and the era which has just come crashing down was born.
"Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope."
She said on being elected.
She managed to dupe her way back in for a second term with a war with Argentina. lol - As though there was any sort of contest in that.
Thanks
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I mean in the last 30 years..........
But, I am sure your certainty that things are going to change radically in the next four years are founded on solid promises from the one politician in the world that will do it
Eagle - I didn't think anyone had swallowed that "pro-life," garbage.
You sure you are old enough to drink?,..........
Things necessarily need to change radically, over the next four years. Otherwise, nothing will have changed. Now, by radically, I do not mean a 3% decrease in military spending that will be put back up 6% by the next administration, I mean radically.
But what you have said about Obama is this:
These are some pretty radical changes right here. I hope he will make these changes also.
Something is rotten with the world wide financial system (much of which is based in Manhattan and the City of London). Something is rotten in the level of consumerism in the USA. Something is rotten with these insidious attacks by right-wing christians on the rights of others.
Something is rotten with the war on terror. Domestically and internationally.
Theoretically, the President of the USA is in a position to do something about some of these things.
We shall see.
Let's talk in 4 years time
Yes, Mike. I am keen to see where you are going with this one
I know where he is going with this!
So do I, but I was hoping he would spell it out so we can all have a laugh. Things are too serious around here lately
Well it was on national TV, a red flag with a yellow hammer and sickle in the top corner of the flag, in front of the Whitehouse. And you 3 are right, you know what I am talking about because you 3 are part of the group that like to spread your atheist belief in just about every Christian or religious thread in the religion forum.
No big deal though. It was clearly a small group of commeys that thought they were larger than they were. I'm just reporting what I seen.
MikeMike - I may be an atheist, but I am no commey
No, no, Mike has a theory.
Go on Mike, tell us the theory again. I could do with cheering up. It has been pissing with rain for days and I spent the afternoon justifying my existence to a petty bureaucrat so my wife could renew her work visa.LOL
My German friends have an expression:
"If elections changed anything - they would be illegal."Ralph -
These are not changes. They are part of a logical progression that has been going on for years. Now look back over the last 50 years and see how many similar instances have gone on.
The Scottish government have just caved in to Donald Trump and allowed him to destroy an unusual natural habitat in Aberdeenshire:
http://blog.luxuryproperty.com/donald-t … -scotland/
Exactly the same. And these guys were elected on the basis of "sustainable development and environmental protection."
But the economic benefits out weigh the environmental cost.
As though these people can measure that
Already it seems that our newly elected president, in whom I have great expectations, is showing a leaning toward the middle - or even closer to the old patterns of our government with his selection of Rahm Emanuel, and this disturbs me. Will Obama pursue a policy of bringing a peaceful end to the Israeli/Palistinian problem by offering the Palistinians as much belief and credit to their cause as our government has to that of Israel's cause? Will Obama really reverse the Pentagon's agenda? Will he remove all troops from Iraq? Will he quit the fighting in Afghanistan? I'm still hopeful he will not allow himself to be shoved into the old patterns established by Clinton and Bush.
I've joined a group has dedicated itself to bringing our voices closer to Obama's ear.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/million_message … amp;v=2397
This is its intitial message to Obama:
Dear President Obama:
As citizens across the world, we congratulate you on your election, and celebrate your campaign commitments to sign a strong new global treaty on climate change, close Guantanamo prison and end torture, withdraw carefully from Iraq, and double aid to fight poverty. No one country or leader can meet the world's most pressing challenges alone, but working together as one world in a spirit of dialogue and cooperation, yes we can bring real and lasting change.
Maybe my fellow hubbers will choose to join in this effort?
Yes, and more importantly, dolphin hater!
No, you have to hear him tell it.
It is awesome
Come on Mike, we are waiting.....
I have a few things to say about that:
McCarthy
The Korean war
The Vietnam war
The first Gulf war
Savings and Loans
The gold standard
NAFTA
Need I go on? Sure, you can point the finger at Bush (as I do) but the underlying trend remains the same. There is no doubt in my mind that the "financial crisis," was set in motion long before the idiot from Texas came to office.
Read Ron Paul's book "revolution," if you haven't.Zarm,
I think maybe you are up a little too early today. More rest might be in order.
If you want to talk politics, that's fine. If you want to talk ideology, that's fine.
But to presume that everyone is presuming you to be a moron and everything you say to be idiotic is not the most conversation inducing policy available.
As far as thinking outside the box, I don't consider myself to be in the box. And I don't necessarily see the need to think inside your designated box, whatever that may be.
My point about the fasces was that the official symbols of the US should be allowed to inform us concerning the true intent and policy of US government. If we choose to ignore such official pronouncements and proceed to resist and oppose such official policy, then we will reap the consequences.
Of course, proud identification with such a sordid cast of "criminals" is purely a personal choice. I would never think to joust you from such a lofty perch, especially when holding a fasces.:- Poppa Bluesposted 15 years ago0
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