Do you think our president has genuinely tried to help our country?

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grinnin1posted 11 years ago
Wild rumors fly during campaign time, and one of them is that Obama has an anti-American agenda that he has actively pursued and in the process has hurt our country. What do you think?
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  Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think not. The man has done a job that I would not ever want. He has had to fight Congress for just about everything. Overall, he has done well... my opinion, and yes, genuinely tried to help our country.
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  Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The "I think not" was in response to the second part of your question about the anti-American agenda.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think that's the dumbest comment/question I've seen today.
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  grinnin1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let me clarify; I am not stating my beliefs, I am simply asking the question. And I dont believe that there are any dumb or stupid questions. Only dumb and stupid answers.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Disagreeing with the president is one thing. Claiming or asking whether he has an "anti-American agenda" is ridiculous. "Agenda" is a trite expression used by evangelical extremists and Tea Baggers--as in the "homosexual agenda," the "pro-abortion agenda" or the "socialist agenda." It's a give-away of where you are coming from.
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  grinnin1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would characterize "agenda" as having goals in mind that one works toward. The goals are the operative word, not the agenda. College courses have agendas, city council meetings have agendas; I would even be willing to bet that you have an agenda in mind when it comes to politics. Why shouldn't our president have one?
  
  There are many, many Americans who believe Obama would like America to be more like Europe, less "American". More socialist. Less freedom of individual choice, which is an American ideal. Just so we're clear, that's what I mean by anti-American. Not that he hates America or is trying to destroy America, although, many Americans believe that, as well. Do I think he has an agenda? I would hope so, and I would hope that his ultimate goals are in line with what Americans want, what Americans stand for. Next time,Ralph, just ask nicely if you want me to give the motivations behind my questions away, I'll be glad to expound.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "There are many, many Americans who believe Obama would like America to be more like Europe, less "American". More socialist. Less freedom of individual choice, which is an American ideal."
  
  Yes, I'm aware of the many, many Americans who are victims of Tea Party and other propaganda vilifying President Obama. They are wrong.
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know what you even mean by an "anti-American" agenda. I'll just take it as the person who proposes the view claims that Obama wants to bring the U.S. to destruction.
  
  That is clearly not the case, nor was it the case with Bush. Most of these politicians believe they are doing what is right for the country. There may be snags along the way, like backroom deals, but they believe their overall goal for America is the way things SHOULD be.
  
  There can be unintentional harm, but I would not suggest most politicians from the right or left are intentionally harming America.
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  Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "There can be unintentional harm, but I would not suggest most politicians from the right or left are intentionally harming America."
  
  You need to Think again. Republican politicians have no morals, values, sense of decency or patriotism. They try to distract you from these facts by attacking Obama and trying to lay the blame on him. The Republicans led us into war on a lie. The republicans cut taxes for the rich and bankrupted our Country. The Republicans were willing let our car industry fail, and they tried to run us off a cliff by refusing to raise the dept ceiling. So, just think about it. I'm sure you will figure who really has a Anti-American agenda for this Country.
  By the way! they don't even play by their own rules! The Southern Republicans are already trying to fix the election down in Georgia!
  http://my.ology.com/post/56777/disturbi … convention
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  As a liberal, I agree with your analysis of the Republican party. I just differ that they are INTENTIONAL about it. Bush had economists who work at Harvard advising him on the tax cuts for the rich. These people honestly believe what they say.
  
  There are some politicians that don't give a crap. Reducing environmental regulations so the company you previously worked for can massively increase profits at the expense of people's health is immoral and intentional. But many conservative politicians wrongly believe that environmental regulations are not actually doing much good. It's hard to argue with delusion.
  
  I think it's more of the fact that people are misinformed and believe certain immoral policies are actually good ideas. The road to hell is paved with good intentions!
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Of course he isn't trying to harm the country he is the leader of, no politician ever does, they may think there are different ways of making a country better but people who believe that anyone on either side is actually setting out to harm the country are simple minded at best.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  He hasn't helped our country.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Obama has 1. Averted a deep recession or depression, 2. Ended the war in Iraq, 3. Signed a health care reform bill that has been a goal of every president since Truman, 4. Authorized the successful killing of Bin Laden without the loss of a single life except Bin Laden's, 5. Ended don't ask don't tell as he promised, 6. Signed badly needed banking regulatory reforms, 7. Saved GM and Chrysler and an estimated one million American jobs, 8. Established a consumer protection agency which is working on eliminating the worst abuses of consumers by credit cards, loan sharks, banks, et al. Disagree if you will but accusing him of an anti-America "agenda" is blind partisan nonsense. Last night my local Democrat club meeting was invaded by three Lyndon LaRouche representatives one of whom, Bill Roberts, is running for Congress against a GOP incumbent, Thaddeus McCotter. Some of his proposals reminded me of Ron Paul's wild ideas--abolish the Fed, return to the gold standard,etc. He also proposed to impeach Obama whom he likened to Adolf Hitler. Maybe you should check out your local LaRoucheYouth chapter.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  1) no he hasn't. He's caused a future catastrophe that you will eventually call the fault of a Republican.
  
  I thought you thought that the Fed and the Presidency were separate!!?? ... Slip of the tongue?
  
  2) The war in Iraq is still going on - it's amazing that people believe it's over when we have a few thousands privately contracted military men there.
  
  I guess it's easy to believe what you want...
  
  3) Health care bill?! You're HAPPY about that?! "BUY HEALTH CARE OR BE TAXED"
  
  My state nullified it. It was an atrocious usurpation of freedom. It's disgusting that you support it.
  
  4) What's that? Obama invaded Pakistan?
  
  5) DOTA: yeah, that's actually a good one.
  
  6) Banking regulation means nothing when the banks can print money without the threat of a bank run.
  
  7) GM and Chrysler were failed companies that didn't need to be bailed out. Other companies would have gratefully bought them and turned them into profitable enterprises again.
  
  You don't trust anyone but the corrupted.
  
  8) loaning out money should be legal. I fail to see why "agreeing to pay money" should be illegal in any situation. Just another loss of freedom.
  
  ... what's that, one out of eight?
  
  I never called him anti-american. I called him a tyrant. He is. And your points prove it.
  
  Thanks for the tip: I have been thinking more and more about trying to run for a local office. I'll have to see how to do it and all that. Apparently an astonishing number of Ron Paul fans have infiltrated the Republican party in local and state arenas.
  
  However, let me promise you that I will call ANY tyrant a tyrant. Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, and almost everyone down the list has been instrumental to abolishing freedom.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You're in LaLa Land.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Obama has claimed the right to kill me without a trial and I'M the one in LaLa Land for calling him a tyrant?
  
  Jeezus, man, how much did your soul sell for? Maybe I can buy it back for you.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So did Bush, and you're still here.
  
  Paul wants to give states the right to control my uterus....and you DON'T call him a tyrant!
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  YOU WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL YOUR UTERUS!!!
  
  THAT'S WHAT ROE V WADE DOES!!!
  
  Be ye daft?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nope--it gives me freedom from the states...thanks to the Fed, I have a choice in the matter.
  Plenty of states would take that choice away, forcing me to bend to the ruler's will.
  
  You might like this:
  
  the battle against local tyrannical rule!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ut6yPrObw
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Stay away from the uterus happy state of Virginia.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh not to worry--you can just close your eyes and pretend it's not happening....
  
  A metaphor for what's going on today, imo!! Close your eyes....you are getting sleepy....we know what's good for you....we care about you.........BAM!
  
  Radical Right Religion is now law of the land.
  "Children, stand for the Lord's Prayer" (this used to happen to me in kindygarden!! but I grew to love the prayer, and know it by heart to this day....but STILL!)
  I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Christian Right/Extreme Woman Suppressors...
  
  "But mom--aren't I equal?" "Not really dear....you must bow to the men."
  
  ICK!
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's really sad when right wing nut jobs, like the governor of Virginia (just to name one out of countless others) along with Republican candidates, Romney and Santorum won't rest until this country becomes a church/state. What's even worse is the Bible thumpers that listen to their and other right wing conservative BS, plus the fact that they're unable to think for themselves, that vote for these clowns.This is the 21st Century, not the Dark Ages!
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And Texas.
  
  http://www.doonesbury.com/
  
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LMC, this is why I don't usually read your posts.
  
  "I want the government out of my uterus"
  
  "The government is in your uterus, by definition. The Supreme court ruled on it"
  
  "that's not government because I like what they did. I also ignore that this decision could EVER be overturned."
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It must be great to always be right and to feel you are more intelligent than everyone...
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really not get this?
  
  If I said "I, as a politician, have the right to snip Evan because I don't want him being a father."
  
  Then, if you went to the Supreme Court and said "LMC does not have the right to tell me what to do in my private life", and they agreed with you....
  
  Well then, the Supreme Court has succeeded in getting the gvt out of your private life.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't consider you a terrorist, Evan. You have nothing to worry about. Moreover, I actually agree with you on the issue of drone assassinations of American citizens. That's not why I pointed out that you're in LaLa Land.
  Here's another opinion on the issue.
  
  http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?opt … mival=8072
  
  You may wish to make a donation to the cause.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, YOU don't consider me a terrorist. But I own silver.
  
  The second I choose to use it, I can be labeled a terrorist and incarcerated. Of, if I say one comment that's too far out of line, who knows.
  
  Ralph, for a liberal, you sure do ignore a lot of what happened in NAZI Germany. Step... by... step... the Jews found themselves in the ovens, and the Germans found themselves unable to stop it.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yeah. Haven't heard any of Evan's "Vote for Ron Paul" lately. So how is ole' Ron doing lately? I bet he hears the band playing "Hail to the Chief" already.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  HAhahahah!!
  
  Boy! I sure do love fascism!
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, and regarding your statements about Ron Paul...
  
  I know you don't actually care about the process, you just want Obama re-elected. But there has been MASSIVE vote fraud throughout this primary season -- ALL OF IT aimed against Ron Paul.
  
  It has been well documented:
  http://ronpaulflix.com/2012/03/blatant- … R.facebook
  
  https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_wWkfs … edit?pli=1
  
  http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne … ot-winning
  
  ... so, continue to believe the lies. You'll find your way to the oven.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I just believe he's unelectable, I could care less about the so-called conspiracy theory against him.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  aww, does someone not like evidence of massive, organized corruption?
  
  The November elections will be a fraud.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's an easy out for you then...
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Easy and accurate.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I see no problem popping an Al Qeada terrorist, bent on killing innocent people, via drone. How much would it cost and the risk to soldiers live would it cost to bring these clowns to justice?
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You really fail to understand that Obama is the one who decides who is a terrorist or not.
  
  Step by step, you'll find your way to the ovens.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  La Rouche has likened every POTUS since Nixon to Adolph Hitler. It's his MO and all his blind followers toe the line to a nauseating extent. And if you have never read any of the books this man prints from time to time you are wayy missing out. I liken them to a 5th grader trying to write a term paper on transnational business negotiations. Even Gore Vidal has never assigned his name to something so poorly written.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  All true. He's a 90+ year old nut case. But some of his ideas overlap with Ron Pauls libertarianism.
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree Ralph. But if Ron Paul is elected, (a massive if), La Rouche will compare him to Hitler as well. And probably without recognizing the limitless number of neonazi groups and other white supremacists that have repeatedly endorsed Paul.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No he hasn't tried to help, genuinely nor otherwise.
  He has tried to rule it.
  He has bullied it.
  He has misrepresented it.
  He has tried to destroy it from within.
  Not helpful at all.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Shame on you Brenda! I'm even willing to give George Bush for trying. Unfortunately he was so lazy and not so bright that he fell under the influence of Dick Cheney and some other evil characters.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Two can play that game.
  So---Shame on Obama.
  And-- shame on you for even putting Bush in the same category as him.
  There's miles and miles, plus a whole Constitution, between the two.
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  WE THE PEOPLE, have the power.
  
  NOW, all you have to do is remember where you left it.
  
  OLY
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Of course he has tried to help. You may disagree with what he does but the US is his country too. I am sure he wants the best for his daughters...
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And mine!
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  Doc Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Conspiracy theory tinfoil-hat wackaloon nonsense.
  
  No doubt anyone aspiring to be President is personally ambitious. (Mitt Romney, anyone?)
  
  But the President has tried to do his best by his lights, as I think almost every President has done. (Some more successfully than others, obviously.)
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that is an extremely wild and malicious rumor. Nobody in his right mind doubts that President Obama is doing the best he can for his country. I'm willing to say the same for Bush. However, Bush's policies were faulty because he is lazy and not very bright.
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  lifelovemysteryposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Is he trying to help America?
  
  He helped us lose our AAA rating.
  He helped us export more oil in 2008 than we imported.
  He has had record $1.+ trillion dollar deficits for each of the past three years.
  He has spent money we don't have all the way through 2017.
  He has troops in Pakistan. Illegal.
  He participated in a little war in Libya. You might have heard about it.
  He has not helped with domestic oil production. The Keystone Pipeline does not need his signature.
  He has cut back on drilling permits.
  He jumps into the media dog pile if a black person is offended, wounded or killed - but ignores similar stories about whites. It's a little bit disgusting, but he needs a lot of attention.
  He has weakened foreign relations.
  He has bowed to foreign kings.
  He has accepted foreign campaign funds. It's just a little illegal.
  He has a record number of czars that are accountable to no one.
  He spent 10 months in office before he ever met with the Joint Chiefs.
  He followed the Bush exit strategy on Iraq and shame on him for taking any credit.
  He promised to close GITMO - but has kept it open.
  He promised to end the Patriot Act - but keeps extending it.
  
  I could go on, but it won't change the conversation.
  
  I find it amusing how this conversation gets off track with attacks on Bush, the Tea Party, Right Wingers, Tea Baggers, Rush Limbaugh,the GOP candidates, etc.
  
  Focus on the question people. Seriously.
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  Wayne Brownposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Don't confuse results with vague references to effort. We have a federal government that is out of control in terms of both activities and spending. Obama has done nothing to throttle either one. The spending continues and the government has grown by a factor of 17% in his first three years in office. The socialist agenda is alive and well and we are well on our way to bankruptcy as a nation. Any president who truly cared for the people of this country would not continue down that road for another day. The fact of the matter is, Obama cares about only himself and his agenda regardless of the needs or wants of America. That is the way it is and the way it is going to be as long as he occupies the White House. WB
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  
  All you ever come up with in your rebuttals is calumny, distortions and evasive distractions. Why don't you and JSChams get married on a Fox & Friends?—you both have the same fixations, delusions and propensities to lie.
  
  Obama can't do anything about "controlling the government" because the US House has been taken over by Tea-bagging zealots and puppets of the Kochs and Roger Ailes. Wanna-be mountebanks, like you two, spread your half-truths at every opportunity while evading the the obvious flaws in your shifty misdirections about the facts.
  
  Beyond that, you won't even be fair with your ugly-minded projections of hate and bias against a decent family man and Christian. Your slanderous fear-mongering—"he's a sociaist, he hates America, he's a Muslim, he has a secret agenda, et al is despicable.
  
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You are a shill for the Party. Nothing more.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Now.....where exactly in my posts did I slander Barack Obama and call him anything but a family man and Christian. I know he is a family man, he has by his own actions made many doubt which faith he cares about if any at all.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That post was addressed to Wayne with regard to the slander—but I certainly had you in mind when I spoke about evasions and distortions.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The "socialist agenda" is a figment of your imagination. Obama isn't even a liberal Democrat, let alone a socialist.
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  lorlie6posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I do. He is a genuinely grand orator-which some say is 'slick'-yet it is in fact a rare quality/ability. It's a lost art. He is an awesome writer and a caring son/person.
  As for "genuinely trying [sic] to help our country," I believe that YES, he does help. Still.
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rebekahELLEposted 11 years ago
I often wonder if an average American remembers what they were taught in Civics class or American History. There are 3 branches of power within our government. It may help to pay attention to what each branch does or doesn't accomplish. To blame everything on a president is ignorance. He has accomplished more than he gets credit for.
But I'm sure there are many who believe any anti-Obama rumor.
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innersmiffposted 11 years ago
I think he is genuinely trying to destroy liberty, but underestimates American steeliness.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  True dat.
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idratherbeposted 11 years ago
Without a doubt he looks out for the average American. Many would say he has a socialist agenda. If you believe that, we would need to get rid of social security, medicaid, medicare, disability, unemployment compensation and the list goes on. I don't see where Romney's newest statement to get rid of planned parenthood programs is going to help women. And it seems many of his party are on his side. In my opinion, if we travel down that road and eliminate the programs suggested, this country will be going backwards!
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habeeposted 11 years ago
I don't believe Obama is trying to destroy the US, even though I don't agree with some of his policies and views. It's hard for me to believe that anyone wanting to serve as POTUS would not love the country. It's a terrible job, and I certainly wouldn't want it.

You might be surprised, however, at how many people actually believe Obama came into power with the sole goal of destroying America. Here in the South, I hear it all the time, even from educated people who should know better. I can't tell you how many times I've argued this point with such people.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  True, and 60%? (I don't remember the exact figure) of Republicans believe he's a Muslim. Ignorance is rampant.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You mean that email rumor about Obama being a Muslim that has been circulating since 2007? Oh, don't forget the birth cirtificate rumor started by Karl Rove. It's unbelievable the stupid s**t that some people believe.
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Xenonlitposted 11 years ago
The president is doing a great job. It is the racists and the extremists who undermine him with attack dog politics disguised as legitimate discourse. The majority, and I mean vast majority of Americans are sick of it.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with you. Ever hear the term blow-back?
  
  That hatred is going to do a big reverse....boomerang theory.
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  Evan G Rogersposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Only one candidate is talking about blowback.
  
  He's been talking about blowback for 30 years.
  
  It's Ron Paul.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Coming at ya......

Meet the Minimum Ragers.

"We are the kids who went to college and now work for $8 an hour at coffee shops and clothing stores. Or the kids without a degree, who are just happy to get a paycheck. We’re the kids and grandkids of unionized factory workers and teachers and nurses. We work at fancy bistros or dirt-cheap sandwich chains. We work at Target, Walmart, Starbucks, Best Buy. We have few benefits, no job security, no paid sick days, no money to pay student loans. We’re the low-wage service workers who make up half of the twentysomething workforce."

1%ers.....Give it back. The America I grew up in did not treat it's kids this way.

Obama made their loans easier to pay....maybe we can do even more. At least they can be on our insurance plans.

Promises Broken. American Scheme is what we gave them.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Keep it up...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/1 … g-in-2012-
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Paul Wingertposted 11 years ago
Obama is getting my vote.
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innersmiffposted 11 years ago
Yes, keep blaming all Obama's 'failures' (successes from his point of view) on Republicans and congress. On many actions he has bypassed congress simply because they fit the United Nations' regulations. He is by definition a dictator, so anything put through congress is simply ceremonial. At some point you Dems are going to have to admit that Obama is not the saviour you thought he was going to be.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's the Obama condemners who put that label on him. To denigrate those who voted for him.
  And it can apply to you guys too, with "St. Paul", who I have seen people say is "the only one who can save America"
  
  Nobody thinks anyone is a messiah. Just who can best represent your values, that's all.
  
  Obama has faced an obstructionist Congress, that is fact. They are the dictators if you ask me....acting like they can run everything even when they lost!
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Paul Wingertposted 11 years ago
The GOP candidates so far consists of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich and of course, last but not least, Ron Paul. You know these guys are candidates for the wrong event. They need to be competing for the title of "The Biggest Loser" (and it doesn't have anything to do for weight loss). Romney and Santorum won’t rest until this country transforms into a church-state and they don’t have the balls to stand up to Limbaugh. If they can’t stand up to some assh**e on the radio, how would they stand up to the idiots in the Middle East and North Korea? Romney is way out of tough with the working class and Santorum wants to make porn illegal and believes that sex should be banned unless conceiving a child. I’m not going to get into their anti-women beliefs. Then there’s the moon god, Gingrich who’s busy planning his victory party for when he somehow wins the nomination. Then what about Ron Paul? Hmmm, what about him?
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prettydarkhorseposted 11 years ago
Yes!!
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Jonathan Jancoposted 11 years ago
But yes I do believe that our current president is trying to help the country. The anti-American agenda tyrade is just old, tired and ridiculous. And the people saying it are the same people who claimed Bush was a non-partisan president.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Remember when you had to be a Christian to work at the White House??
  
  They actually asked people that....remember?? That blond-haired lady who interviewed applicants??
  
  Bush owed A LOT to the Conservative Christians, who helped get him elected.
  
  Using gvt to enforce religion....and they're still doing it to this day: Now, out in the open.
  
  Now they are actually campaigning on ending womens rights!
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing more than the panic stricken hysteria of an institution facing imminent obselescence.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
errrr, actually---I think it's against the law!
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
Do you think our president has genuinely tried to help our country?
1. Do I think? Yes. I do think and I thought about my answer here so as not to reflexively hit "submit" with a knee-jerk response.
2. our president -- as stated in previous posts, let's all remember that Obama is the POTUS. We elected him to the position (putting our faith in him as our leader) so a majority of us must have believed in him in 2008
3. has genuinely -- I believe Obama's heart is in the right place but there is very little in Washington, DC that is "genuine" and he is finding that out, as all other presidents before him have found out. It's not a monarchy
4. tried -- he has tried. Not all of what he has wanted to do has succeeded. He has been blocked by a Republican led Congress intent on making him a one-term president. I think some of his earlier attempts were not forceful enough. He's hitting his stride now though and no longer trying to negotiate with terrorists (Congress)
4. To help -- help is a good word. He cannot "fix" our problems. Just try to make them better. And he did inherit a quagmire and it could have been much worse had he not been at the helm. Help in the context of the years 2009-present means actually harm reduction in some respects
5. Our country -- unforunately our country is more divided now than at any time since the Civil War. Our country as I see it is helped by Obama. I think he's smart and level-headed. He does not want to see our country completely run by corporations and greedy bankers. The USA that I know and love IS not only helped but improved by President Obama.
MM
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Alternative Primeposted 11 years ago
As a non-partisan, voter of ideas and not necessarily strict party lines, I think relentlessly "Pursing & Physically Extracting" the "Body & Soul" of Bin Laden and countless other cohorts from this good Earth's very fabric as President Obama and our exemplary special forces did, is indeed nothing less than quite patriotic - undeniably an overt display of character and national loyalty - As if he really needed to prove it -

I also think supporting an unprecedented yet essential U.S. Government limited partnership with Detroit to save tens of millions of jobs and paychecks for our American Auto Workers was also no less than an extraordinary act of confidence and compassion for our nation as a whole - Both of these items were expressed quite eloquently by another commenter prior to this post but I just wanted to embellish somewhat -

If there were "Ready, Willing, & Able" buyers of troubled auto companies prior to our partnership consumation, why didn't they simply step up to the plate and purchase them? The stocks were trading at a significant discount factoring in eminent bankruptcy, but where were all the buyers? Liquidity problems perhaps? A simple correspondence to the White House from any number of "Willing & Able" entities expressing an interest to acquire one or all via letter of intent would have worked -

Unfortunately, at that precise moment in time, everything, including available financing was all frozen up tighter than that helpless little moose Sarah "whacked" two nights before it all started - So there were not to be any knight in shining armor acquisitions despite the green light special pricing but plenty of tasty sliced moose sandwiches on rye to go around -

I'm not defending the Presidents oversight, even though I believe he will eventually be documented as one of our greatest ever, but I'm confident we did the absolute right thing at precisely the right time -

If some irrationals are questioning President Obama's Patriotism, where does that leave quasi catatonic conservative leaders like Rush Limbaugh?
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  October 31,2011
  I AM AN AMERICAN.
  
  I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO GIVE~ BUT I'LL SHARE WHAT I HAVE.
  
  I HAVE BEEN BEATEN DOWN BY POLITICIANS, LIARS AND TRAITORS. THEY HAVE TRIED TO ERASE MY IDENTITY AND MY PRIDE.
  
  BUT I AM AN AMERICAN. I WILL SALUTE MY FLAG, RESPECT MY CONSTITUTION, AND HONOR MY OBLIGATIONS FOR THE RIGHT TO BE FREE.
  I WILL BOW ONLY TO GOD AND I WILL STAND IN TRUTH.THEY CAN NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME.
  
  WHO WILL STAND WITH ME ?
  
  OLY
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Respectfully, Oly,
  What does that mean? Does this really mean anything or is it, as it appears, rhetoric being circulated around emails?
  
  Seriously. Can you tell me:
  Who has tried to erase your identity?
  Is patriotism synonymous with saluting the flag?
  Have you informed the IRS of your plan to bow down only to God?
  What do you consider your obligations for the righ to be free?
  
  I am asking sincerely.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  He read it online
  
  https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=ch … mp;bih=685
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Morning, MM & Univited Writer.
  
  First, MM.
  
  Your reply surprises me. I am not a Democrat, as you well know.
  
  I think our country is in a bunch of crap. Why can't we, GET-IT-RIGHT, here first.
  
  Other Country Borders should be no concern of ours. We can't even take care of our own.
  
  I am a Senior, and I, with the help of a lot of others, put on a push to get our COLA back. With the help of others, We got it back.
  
  I know you will re-ply, Well, OLY. It is an Election year.
  
  Are you for Obama Care???
  
  Name one other President that BOWED DOWN to a Foreign Country leader.
  
  Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
  
  What do you know about, FEMA, Agenda 21, NWO, NDAA, and so on.
  
  If you dont Stand for your Flag, Country, and, God, the what do you stand for.
  
  Secound, Uninvited Writer,
  
  NO COMMENT.
  
  OLY
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  January 8, 2012
  
  I just posted this. How/What, do
  
  you feel.
  
  OK, ATTENTION ALL, Senator's,
  
  Congressmen, of EACH STATE.
  
  And that is 50, Not 57...............
  
  You, WHO SIGNED, NDAA, are
  
  now, UNDER attack, from your
  
  own people, IN YOUR STATE.
  
  WE THE PEOPLE, DEMAND,
  
  YOU STEP DOWN, NOW.
  
  WE, in, MONTANA are working
  
  on this. I hope you other
  
  PEOPLE are working on this
  
  also, in your STATE.
  
  DO not be afraid of your, REPS.
  
  You put them there and YOU
  
  can take them out, in 2012.
  
  Morning. If you can not or do not know how to find
  
  your Representatives in your State, use this link.
  
  Just find your State and CLICK on it.
  http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scor … te#Florida
  
  WE know, WHO YOU ARE.
  
  WE HAVE THE LIST.
  
  Consider this as a warning.
  
  WE WILL NOT COMPLY WITH,
  
  NDAA, FEMA, AGENDA 21, or,
  
  NWO.
  
  OLY
  
  PS, Two can play the, SCARE GAME.
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Uninvited Writerposted 11 years ago
https://www.google.ca/search?ix=seb& … +this+link
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to see you found My Website.
  
  OLY
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Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years ago
"OLYHOOCH wrote:
October 31,2011
I AM AN AMERICAN.

"American" is just an empty label—more accurately, you're ranting like a deluded human being who thinks his thoughts and beliefs are accurate to everyone else's reality. They're obviously not.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO GIVE~ BUT I'LL SHARE WHAT I HAVE. /[i]

Meaning you're willing to share you fears, anger and resentments with any other fearful, angry and resentful "Americans" who'll share your bias.

[i]I HAVE BEEN BEATEN DOWN BY POLITICIANS, LIARS AND TRAITORS. THEY HAVE TRIED TO ERASE MY IDENTITY AND MY PRIDE.

Now there is a convenient way to blame others for your own situation and evade responsibility for where America is today.

BUT I AM AN AMERICAN. I WILL SALUTE MY FLAG, RESPECT MY CONSTITUTION, AND HONOR MY OBLIGATIONS FOR THE RIGHT TO BE FREE.
I WILL BOW ONLY TO GOD AND I WILL STAND IN TRUTH.THEY CAN NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME.

Poppycock! Being free requires taking civic responsibility for what's best for all Americans—not just those who agree with you. Why don't you start paying attention to what your God-Hero really said and talk like a genuine Christian, (Jew, Muslim, Buddhist) or whatever God you "bow to?"

WHO WILL STAND WITH ME ?

OLY""

Sorry to say Oly, only other fear-driven and enraged folk who haven't the awareness to be fair or objective about the facts!

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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  OK, Lets go a little farther.
  
  FACTS,,,
  
  The United States Of America is darn near BROKE.
  
  The Government is in our face and our Business.
  
  Congress is not one, Of The People, By The People, and For The People, anymore.
  
  Senate, no longer works together.
  
  I called FOUL, back in 2007. None of you heard me then, and, you still don't in 2012.
  
  Your up,
  
  OLY
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  OK, Lets go a little farther.
  
  FACTS,,,
  
  No, Oly, these are exaggerated distortions . . .
  
  The United States Of America is darn near BROKE.
  
  Not true, and if we stopped the Military Welfare we'd be out of debt in no time.
  
  The Government is in our face and our Business.
  
  If that were true we wouldn't have suffered the global economic meltdown that was the result of a deregulated banking and investment industry.
  
  Congress is not one, Of The People, By The People, and For The People, anymore.
  
  This statement is the hardest one for me to refute, Oly, but it's still a half-truth. The fact is most Americans are misinformed or complacent (or both) regarding their representatives in Congress and that's the way big money wants it.
  
  Senate, no longer works together.
  
  I called FOUL, back in 2007. None of you heard me then, and, you still don't in 2012.
  
  You should call foul on the Conservative think tanks and the folks who started this toxic war of division way back when Newt and the GOP came up with the Contract with America and Grover Norquist who forced them all to obey his will. They made it an either-or fight to the death where moderates and reasonable politicians can no longer be heard.
  
  Your up,
  
  OLY
  
  No Oly, you lost—in fact we all did because a house divided won't stand for very long.
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I could not agree with you more.
  
  OLY
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
Oly,
Let's leave party labels out of this for just a minute and examine what you said.
You admit you are senior on Social Security. You demanded a cost of living adjustment (COLA) in the face of an economy that is the worst since the Great Depression. But YOU are entitled to more money from the government.
As a senior, I assume you also receive Medicare health care benefits.
Which are another government funded program.
Yet you can sit here and deny those of us who are still working, who don't know if we will ever be able to retire, the same basic services that you not only enjoy but fight for?
Why should the government pay for your health care and not mine? I'm a taxpaying citizen. I'm a member of the beleaguered middle class -- the one that's paying for both ends to keep what they have (poor and rich).
Why should I continue to work to pay into a Social Security system that won't be there for me when (if) I stop working at 65 or 67 or 80, which is probably the age it will be at when I get there.
Surely you would not volunteer to give up yours -- which, given how broke you claim our country is, would be the patriotic thing to do.
Do you not see the inherent hypocricy in what you are saying?

From what you say here you represent the "I got mine and that's all that I care about."
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Dead wrong, Girl. I am for all Jobs. Drill Baby, Drill = 2,500 jobs just in Montana, South Dakota, and North Dakota.
  
  If it where me, I would do the following.
  
  1. Cut President, Vice Pres. Salary, 1/2.
  
  2. Congress Salary 1/2.
  
  3. Senate Salary 1/2.
  
  4. Take all that money. Put it into SS, to replace the money they took.
  
  That would take care of that.
  
  5. Bring ALL troops HOME.
  
  That is just for Starters.
  
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Cutting the salaries of 536 federal workers is a symbolic gesture but meaningless in terms of financial impact.
  
  How about if we cut Medicare benefits of the people who don't believe in such entitlement programs?
  Surely those who philosophically disagree with America providing paid health care to her citizens will line up to be the first to stop receiving theirs.
  Now there's a symbolic gesture I can support!
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  OK. I am in agreement with you. I know we are all sitting on pins and needles.
  
  The MEDIA, has us going after everything and everybody.
  
  So, all I ask for is a President who has a Backbone and a Brain, and, the common sense to get this Country back on the right track.
  
  OLY
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well, if Obama does not fit that then you are SOL with the Republican challengers...
  
  As an outsider, I do see Obama with a backbone (having the guts to apologize for wrongs and now standing up to the Republicans) and using common sense...
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Friendlywordposted 11 years ago
BUT, if you are an AMERICAN; you know that President Obama not only tries to help this Country. President Obama saved our Country. BUT, even to this day, he has to constantly protect this Country from the thives, liars, and traitors that want to destroy our Country rather than have a BLACK MAN as their leader. BUT, it is killing them! Driving them nuts! BUT, a BLACK MAN is going to go down as the Greatest President this Country ever had. But, real Patriots know that, and understand that, and are Proud to have lived while this President served our Country.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Me, too.
  
  GOP bumper sticker.
  
  If I see one in a parking lot I'll be tempted to use my key or let the air out of a couple of tires.
  
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What Cracker-State is this picture from? I wish the license plate was visible. This forebodes an election that wil become a Hate-Fest.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No kidding, or what piece of trash would display that crap? Good way of getting your tires slashed or car keyed.
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That bumper sticker has been spotted in California. Someone told me about it just yesteday.
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  Doc Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That sticker is truly heinous.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph Deeds: I'll hand you the key or help you get the job done. That bumper sticker is disgusting!
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paradigmsearchposted 11 years ago
"Do you think our president has genuinely tried to help our country?"

Well, seen this sucker long enough.

Right or wrong, Yes.
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  paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I meant that I'd seen this thread long enough; I was not referring to our President in that regard. And, yes, again. I do believe he has genuinely tried to help.
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Abecedarianposted 11 years ago
I think that is just more right-wing scare tactics during an election year or just plain ignorance. I just had a family member blame Obama for the fact that a local dealership refused to fix their vehichle because they didn't buy it from them. How rediculous is that? Obama made a lot of promises over 500 and even with obstruction and all, he's managed to accomplish almost 200 of them with another 200+ in the works. What kind of anti-american president does that? Actually how many presidents have made that many promises and even kept a handful of them? None.
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  Doc Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ain't it the truth.
  
  "Obama's a Muslim.
  
  "He was born in Kenya.
  
  "He's a socialist, and he's raised government spending, which is why we are going broke.
  
  "Evolution is a fraud.
  
  "There's no ozone hole.
  
  "And the climate is not changing.
  
  "Oh, and taxing the wealthy a little more would be 'class warfare,' while taxing the poor is responsible government."
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  he said this too: "We are the ones we've been waiting for".
  
  MUCH meaning in that.
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Ralph Deedsposted 11 years ago
NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – With a fall presidential contest between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney seeming increasingly likely, America’s bigots are finding themselves in a quandary over which candidate to support, prominent bigots confirmed today.

Across the U.S., voters who describe themselves as bigots are complaining that a first-ever matchup between a Black man and a Mormon, while historic, is forcing them to ask a difficult question: which group do they hate more?

“I’ve always seen myself as pretty versatile, bigotry-wise,” said Herb Torlinson, a hardware salesman from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. “But I guess this is going to be an election that really puts my different hates to the test.”

At the Clapboard Corner Café in Youngstown, Ohio, a group of bigots who gather for breakfast once a week to discuss their dislike of various racial and religious groups echoed Mr. Torlinson’s sentiments.

“I actually cried when Rick Perry dropped out of the race,” said David Colehurn, a disgruntled hater who works at a nearby Pep Boys. “He may be brain-damaged and all, but at least he’s White and Christian.”

Mr. Colehurn said that his bigotry towards both Black people and Mormons was making him entertain thoughts of voting for a third-party candidate, but that he was “turned off” by the possibility of a bid from Texas congressman Ron Paul: “I hate old people.”

In other political news, former Sen. Rick Santorum revealed that he made his first sweater vest himself when he tore off the sleeves of his straitjacket.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And so the circus, goes on. Don't forget, IF, we make it to November 6, 2012.
  
  Everybody is so dumbfounded and striking out at what ever, never thought I would be around to see the mess we are in at this time.
  
  No point getting into Politics, so I won't.
  
  Do you think the people will ever get over this Black and White, Issue.
  
  Right now, all we need is the right person to get us back on track.
  
  Who might that be, I have no answer.
  
  Our Media is trying to Scare the heck out of us.
  
  Our Government is Broken.
  
  Our Congress is not one, Of The People, By The People, and, For The People, anymore.
  
  Our Senate, no longer can make a decision on anything.
  
  Think that pretty much sums it up.
  
  Hope we are still around in November, to see just how this plays out.
  
  OLY
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/messages/oct28/hopi.htm
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  Doc Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Taking responsibility... what a concept!
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
And don't be afraid....trust, in what you know...deep down inside.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
We'll make to to election day fine, but not the inauguration.
All intelligent beings know the world will be ending on December 21, 2012.
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  ROTFLMAO, that's the secound time I heard that,
  
  OLY
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DIYmyOmyposted 11 years ago
President Obama has not only tried to help this country, he has absolutely done so, by taking strong, positive action to avoid an out right depression, and by stopping health insurance providers from discriminating based on age, pre-existing health conditions and gender.
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  OLYHOOCHposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  List of Barack Obama Lies…..and they keep coming!
  
  Below is a list of Obama’s documented lies so far with the most recent lies first.
  
  Lies During Third Year
  
  I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza
  
  Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week Examiner
  
  “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.” Like Raising taxes?
  
  Obama met highly qualified out of work teacher Robert Baroz He wasn’t out of work and Obama never met him.
  
  GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing Dems Rejected Jobs Bill
  
  You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem Gallup Poll: Only 69%
  
  These are obligations that the United States has taken on in the past. Congress has run up the credit card, and we now have an obligation to pay our bills. Looks like it’s been incurred mostly in the years of Obama
  
  Jobs Bill Paid for Seems not so much Paid for
  
  Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11
  
  I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it. American.com
  
  USA producing more oil than ever before Petroleum Insights
  
  Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete” Department of Homeland Security says 5%
  
  Rich doesn’t pay their fair share. National Taxpayers Union
  
  If you care to read the rest of the list, Click on the link below.
  
  http://lettingfreedomring.com/2012/03/2 … ep-coming/
  
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"The problem, of course, is that Fox News, the organization now under assault around the world for wiretapping, blackmail and bribery, is extremely pro-Netanyahu and owned by Rupert Murdoch, an Israeli Likudist masquerading as an Australian.

Worse still is the gang of GOP candidates, the presidency, congress, dog catcher, each crazier than the last, all swearing, not support or allegiance to Israel but slavery to the extremist policies of the Netanyahu regime.

Because of this many Americans such as former Vice President Dick Cheney are unable to travel as they face war crimes tribunals, face arrest around the world. They said they were helping Israel and, instead, got into bed with financial criminals, committed innumerable war crimes and partnered with Netanyahu in building what was seen as a world safe for “Zionism,” one filled with war, poverty, corruption and hate."

People who support Bibi are not pro-American, imo. People who want Pollard to be set free are not pro-American, imo.

These are part of the Cult, imo.

I'll Take Obama any day of the week.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "The problem, of course, is that Fox News, the organization now under assault around the world for wiretapping, blackmail and bribery,
  
  And conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. He owned ( I smile because I've used the past tense there) the police and security forces in the UK. Of course, he hasn't been charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, but his moll (Rebekah Brooks) was recently arrested under suspicion of, It's only a matter of time, imho, before he and his gangland family are busted! Good riddance.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This gets old.
  
  Why don't we just arrest Bush and Cheney and try them here? i mean Eric Holder should be the man to do that right?
  
  I'll tell you why....because you have no real grounds. Neither does anyone else.
  The Iraq war was voted on and agreed to by the Congress. Oh by the way did you know that GW was not the first to bring up WMD's? Did you know comeone else LIED about them, if it's a lie?
  
  Here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying that because Clinton was wrong also, Bush, Cheney, Tenet and the neocons deserve a free pass? Clinton took care of the Serbia-Bosnia situation without putting troops on the ground. Obama got Bin Laden without the loss of any American life after Bush started a 10-year war against the Taliban which cost billions and countless lives.
  
  Ps: Bush hand Cheney have to be careful about where they travel or they could be arrested and tried for war crimes.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think you nor I have any idea what goes on in the upper eschelons of the world.
  
  I know this: Bushco was evil to the core. That much was obvious. And it takes a long reach to destroy their 8 year infiltration.
  
  More than 8 years, really: Cheney and Rummy go back in American politics to the 1970's.
  
  More likely, it began in 1913, and has crescendo'ed since.
  
  Always trying to steal something, sadistic in nature, and mean. Like they don't like people.
  
  Obama is a whole different sort. And all those who demonize him, on the left and the right....I wonder where they are coming from.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hold on there pardner......what about that link I sent you?
  
  WMD's? Hmmmmmmmm?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What about it?
  Anyone could see they were selling war...just like they're doing now.
  
  Hans Blix said there were none.....they wouldn't let him finish his investigation.
  
  Scott Ritter said there were none....he was framed with kiddie porn.(and I know where-of I speak, as I've had porn sites added on to my computer when no one was here).
  
  It's a very intelligent enemy we are dealing with. One that cares not about Life. And one that has all the high-tech and military tools at its disposal.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But see Y O U never said a word about who is talking about WMD's there. You are content to allow the lie that all that started with George Bush to remain where it is even though you know better.
  But progressives will not allow you to believe that T H E Y fostered it if it is indeed a lie.
  
  Yet another reason why I have nothing to do with The Party anymore. You lie about people lying and want people to believe you are right.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Bush and his administration led us into "war". What do you want me to say: The Democrats did it?
  
  They TRIED to get a Dem to: Clinton. PNAC wanted him to do "regime change" in Iraq. He said no.
  
  That is why Bush HAD to be elected, and they did all they could to make it happen.
  
  And check and see--who is it that is pushing for "war" with Iran? I can pretty much guarentee it's the same group of people. Neo-Kook Zionists.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let's try this again, because you don't want to go there, you went right back to Bush.
  
  Years before Bush every single one of the people who wanted him hanged were arguing mightily that we MUST go to Iraq, must get rid of Saddam, must get those WMD's!
  
  That was on the same intel pal. The same stuff that when Bush got in there was a lie.
  
  Just like the guy who had been in the Clinton administration who wished 9/11 had happened when Bill was in office.
  There's nothing there but liars who will call you a liar and smile for the camera.
  If it was a lie when Bush was the man it was a lie when Bill was the man but we won't go there will we now?
  
  Because we liked Bill right?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Just like the guy who had been in the Clinton administration who wished 9/11 had happened when Bill was in office."
  
  Who was that? If there was such a guy, I wonder what he's saying now?
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  Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let's try again...because you have clearly not digested LMC's post..as it was intended.
  
  More than 8 years, really: Cheney and Rummy go back in American politics to the 1970's.
  
  More likely, it began in 1913, and has crescendo'ed since.
  
  Why did you ignore this statemtent from LMC, cos you like the neo-cons, right?
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  idratherbeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  lol @Wizard of Whimsy. With the exception of Ron Paul for the most part, this is clearly the resume for Romney, Gingrich and Santorum! rotflmao But in all fairness Romney is somewhat different, he bounces in and out of this resume, depending on who hes talking to!
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I love how these things like that poster or whatever come out engaged in name=calling without one single solitary concrete bit of evidence to show any truth to it.
  
  That my friends is merely one reason why i no longer support the Democratic party. i am going to be posting a hub on it because I can't enumerate all their problems here.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh how utterly above it all you must be!
  
  You meet a friend while at the store and you commiserate about the state of affairs in America and share a laugh about politics and politicians. That's what that poster is—a quick and concise appraisal of the hypocrisy of the right.
  
  If you don't see the truth in some (or any) of those observations, then I doubt if you're a democrat—or even a thinking individual voter.
  
  Stop taking yourself so seriously or don't because I couldn't care less about what you just think you think.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I complain because of course we all know in win nudge nudge that there is no hypocrisy on the left.
  Yes let's all meet in the grocery store and call the other party names.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Who do you think you're kidding? There is hypocrisy in everyone, but in the case of R's vs. D's, there isn't an equal distribution. Your team is easily winning and astonishingly good at distortions and evasion of the facts—there is no comparison. Moreover, your denial and convenient amnesia is almost as tiresome as your pomposity.
  
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Yes, we were on schedule to be debt free by 2011, paying off the Reagan debt! Instead repubs used up the 5.6 trillion surplus, they acknowledged( and now try to deny), and turned that into 6 trillion in new debt(11.6 trillion swing) and then on top of that handed Obama 1.7 trillion deficit and ten trillion in new projected debt over the next decade along with losing 800K jobs per month, 60,000 closed factories, no private sector jobs created in a decade."
  
  http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-274334.htm
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's ok man...if you can't handle dealing with the Clinton thing I an understand that.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Clinton left Bush the surplus!
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No Chris. Focus.
  
  What happened with the WMD's during the Clinton administration?
  
  Why was it ok during his term but a lie during Bush's when it was the same intel?
  
  You need to face this man.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You think Iraq was about wmds? That was only the fairy tale they used to go in there.
  
  Wait....was it wmd? NO...it was 9/11....NO, it was spreading Democracy, NO.....it was Saddam gassed his own people....NO, it was revenge for daddy's murder attempt....NO, it was mushroom clouds....TAKE YOUR PICK.
  
  PNAC document, 1997. Sent to Clinton, asking for Regime Change, and denied. Bush willing? Well, ALLRIGHTY then. We've got our man. (Cheney!!)
  
  Bush's administration read like a PNAC meeting. In it, and the surrounding "advisors".
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Was it a lie or not Chris and why does Bill get a pass? Hmmmmm??????
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Saddam had wmd's...they were all destroyed after Gulf War 1.
  
  Why are you giving Bushco a pass on Iraq? Hmmmmmmm??????
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am not. The democrats firm refusal to say that if it was a lie once it was a lie twice is hypocrisy and just another example of wanting to foster the belief that your fecal matter produces no odor.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am a person, not the democrats.
  Plenty of them blame both parties, blame all of them, say that they are all the same....
  
  I am one person who just doesn't even look at the Dems, so much Repub ugly there is on my plate.
  
  I just LUV these people who want to ignore, or forget everything that happened up til Jan of 2009: I'm not one of them.
  
  I will never forget, nor forgive. YOU can harp on Obama--I'm busy with Bushco.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Bush was Cheney's and Rumsfeld's pull toy. Clinton was too smart to be anyone's pull toy except for Monica.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And Gore wouldn't have been either.
  Hence, Bush HAD to win.
  
  and I voted for Nader, thereby helping Bush.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Al Gore and John Kerry were the only two reasons I voted for Bush. Imbeciles the both of them.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If you have the time, this video is Rachel Maddow at her best; she cremates "Etch-A-Sketch Mitt" with his many lies and deceits.
  
  http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-m … w/46816690
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good one, Wiz.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
This is what your 8 mil a day helps:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/24 … s-to-life/
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
errrr, you never mentioned my link either. The 8 mil a day, while we cut from Americans.
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Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years ago
Thanks Ralph!
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Yes....they have called for impeaching Obama....must REALLY want us to ignore them!

Game of cups. Make you look elsewhere so you don't point out where the chip is hiding.

No biggie....we've been waiting 11 years now. What's another 9 mo's? It's all going to dissolve from within, imo. These are different times we're in.

The Cosmos is participating in the Truth-Telling, the Revealing. No matter what: They can't hide.

Pretty self-evident to begin with. What do they think, we were all born yesterday?

Shooooot, we've been through Kennedy, King, Kennedy, X, Lennon, Wellstone....who am I forgetting?

You think 3,000 could slip through?
Give us a little credit.

It's going down....no matter where they point the finger, they can't erase history.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Some time ago I decided that although I voted for Obama the last time, I wouldn't do so again, despite the fact that I think he is a good President. My reason was that he would never succeed because so many people hate him because he's black. I was really leaning towards Romney. However, now that I've read all of these posts, I've made up my mind. Obama all the way! Thanks for clarifying the issues for me!
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You actually believed in the race issue? That's a really big propaganda piece.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They don't only hate Obama....they hate those of us who support him as well.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate you Chris. You have the right to be wrong and you are wrong.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Your crowd does, and the more you deny it, the more credence you give it.
  
  Unless you REALLY think Re-Nig is anything but racist, and calling someone an anti-American traitor who should move to Cuba is Looove.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
this is crazy...I clicked on some link a few days ago...NOW, when I try to click on any site, this thing called HAPPILLI comes up and links me to e-bay, or some advertising site.

Can't get to the site I'm clicking on...what is this?

So--google--USA Today: After Gulf War, Saddam has no MWD's.
Plenty of other sites say the same, but thought you would accept usa today.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
http://costoftaxcuts.com/

This what they held Obama hostage to! Incredible......and they pretend they are Patriots!!!
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"Paul Volcker sounded off on critics of President Obama in an interview with CBS's Anthony Mason.

Asked whether he agrees with accusations that the president is waging class warfare by pushing for Wall Street reforms and higher taxes for the rich, Volcker said, "I don't understand the depth of that feeling. I really don't. This business that he's a great socialist and out to undermine the free enterprise system and so forth, I just think it has no connection with reality."

He balked at the notion that Obama could have taken office without going after the banks.

"How could you have a President of the United States taking office in the midst of a financial crisis and a deep recession and not be critical of the financial system? He would have been deaf, dumb and blind," he said.

Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve and Obama adviser, is the namesake for "the Volcker Rule," a major provision in the Wall Street reforms that could take effect as early as this July.

Though Obama has been critical of Wall Street, a survey from the end of last year found that he had approved fewer regulations than President Bush had at the same point in his presidency.

As HuffPost's Jen Bendery reports, Wall Street executives actually thrive under President Obama. Still, most major Wall Street donations are heading to Mitt Romney, who is perceived as much friendlier to banks."
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"where exactly in my posts did I slander Barack Obama ?"

right here:
"he has by his own actions made many doubt which faith he cares about if any at all."
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Personally I'd rather someone accuse me of being an atheist than being a right-wing Christian that believes all that aren't like them are going to be tortured by fire in hell. I don't want to be associated with the insane. That's just my personal preference though .
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well you just be happy being an atheist. You seem to be quite good at it.
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do my best :p.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Me, too.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's not slander Chris. He could possibly say the same thing about me.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh ok...so what about the others, who calls him a muslim terrorist out to destroy America?
  
  Can he say that about them? I know if you said anything about Bush--you were labeled an America-hating traitor...should I call the Righty's that?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I voted for Bush for two reasons....Al Gore...and John Kerry.
  I never called anyone a traitor no matter what horrific thing you called him.
  George Bush is gone my friend. He did his two terms and he is clearing brush on his ranch permanently. Dick Cheney just had a heart transplant.
  Now if you really are progressive you look forward. Can you do that?
  The Gallup numbers fall like this ; Liberal 20%.....Conservative 45%....Independent 35%.
  I spend most of my time in forums like this trying to let you and others no that, although there's lot's of liberal screaming, there aren't really very many of them.
  You control the media and that is why it seems otherwise.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Bushco is gone, but their legacy lives on....and I won't pretend otherwise.
  
  And, like H libs control the media!
  
  That's why you heard G-D America day after day after day, and not ONCE did you hear "If you're not a Christian, get out!"
  
  And you may not have called me a traitor, but many of your ilk did...so don't expect hugs and kisses from me.
  
  Polls mean nothing: Cheney said so. Because a huge % of Americans want higher taxes on rich people. Where's the Cons on that?
  
  BTW--who paid for Cheney's heart transplant?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Who said if your not a Christian get out?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Santorums pastor, who blessed him minutes later.
  "If you're not a Christian in America...Get Out!"
  
  Suppose some religious leader had said "If youre not a muslim in America--get out!"... Think we'd hear it all the time, make it an issue of the campaign, have Fox and hate-talk blaring it through the roof?
  
  Oh you bet. Liberal media my aunt fanny.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh there is a big Liberal media and I have even had them tell me so.
  I am a broadcasting school graduate and one of the things that was drilled into me was that conservatism and broadcasting didn't go together. I said nothing.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  ahaha! Russssshhhhhhhh makes them all tremble.
  
  errrr, Phil Donahue never did.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"In the past 50 years, women have banded together to build the most important thing, which is to tell the truth about what's happening to them. Because of that, we have changed a lot of laws and change is built from the bottom up, like a house, not from the top down. But you need someone at the top who allows you to build a house in the first place, and that's President Obama."

"From his personal life, who he married, how he treats his daughters, he understands that women are absolutely full human beings," she says. "He has a good heart, a good mind, treats people with dignity, doesn't court conflict and represents I think the best in this country."

The spot goes on to remind women that Obama's first act as president was to sign the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which made it easier for women to sue for equal wages.

Steinem also touts the Affordable Care Act, which will go before the U.S. Supreme Court this week, noting that it has extended coverage to young adults and would eliminate a gender gap that sees women pay more for health insurance than men. She also references the current controversies over abortion rights and contraception coverage, both issues that were thought to have been settled decades ago.

"If you've listened to the Republican candidates in the primary, you know that each and every one of them would criminalize abortion and outlaw quite a few forms of birth control," she says. "Whether or not women can determine when and whether to have children is the single biggest element in whether we're healthy or not, whether we're educated or not, what our life expectancy is, whether we can be active in the world or not."

--Gloria Steinem
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  lifelovemysteryposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  He was in office less than a month when he overturned the Mexico City Policy. So now the US is back to funding international abortions. He actually signed this a week before he signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
  
  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Internat … 3Bh7DHOzSg
  
  We all know that he isn't pro-life. So explain how he is pro-woman.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm SO glad he did that! Women have the right to determine their own lives. Period. Over the church AND the gvt!
  
  Regan was using gvt to silence them, and forced them to bend to the will of the church, as all today's Cons seek to do, IMO.
  
  Obama is pro-life, because he want to help the LIVING...those who are here. The Cult of death LOVES murder---just as long as they determine who gets it.
  
  like, say a black kid in a hoodie.....
  Or a sand-N in Iraq and Palestine...you getting my drift?
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No see you don't get it. All this pro-woman and war on women jazz is just for the election year so as to make it difficult to wade through that to get to what a total failure this president has been. Just like the WMD thing when Lewinski was in the headlines.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eh--it's a 30 year campaign by the Religious Right. Stealthily operated.
  
  Did the GOP SAY they were going in there to shred women's rights? NO, they said Jobs Jobs Jobs. TOTAL bunk!
  
  Once they get in there--they perpetrate their pseudo-religious agenda.
  
  It's how they do it. Have been doing it, since the ratification of Roe v Wade. And they start as low as school boards.
  
  Oh the Moral Majority, who blame Gays for earthquakes and 9/11.
  
  And women are baby-machines and housewives....nothing more.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey you got me Chris.
  All that right alongside Dick Cheney's secret moon base. Did you not know he had one?
  Listen to Coast to Coast Am and they will fill you in.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Haven't listened to C to C since I heard Noory worked for the Pentagon. Already knew Bell was Navy.....
  
  Controlled info.
  
  You keep forgetting...I was alive through all of this: I don't need radio or tv to tell me, I was here.
  
  I remember them telling their people to "get elected to the school-boards, we'll start from there"...."Moral Majority".....used to volunteer at a woman's clinic....saw the hatred and fiery judgement aimed at my gender.
  
  I KNOW what's going on. Been here, Paid attention.
  
  Cheney doesn't need the moon. He's got an underground bunker--member? Where he administrated 9/11?
  
  Oh, that's right....it was 19 men with box-cutters. How silly of me.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it was Chris.
  
  I have observed that the only people who are truthers are rabid Bush haters.
  
  What if Bill had still been in office? Or Gore been President?
  I would wager my life you would never have heard a bit of truther anything.
  
  Am I not right?
  
  And yes it still would have happened.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Did it ever occur to you that people hate Bush BECAUSE of 9/11? Or don't you give people like me any credit at all for having a brain and a heart?
  
  Possible that we may have started going against him after Iraq, torture, Haliburton, Blackwater, tax cuts, no child left behind, hehehehehe--dead or alive, Cheney and his SO? attitude to Americans, Shock and Awe?
  
  Or is it just that you think we all just hate R's on site with no rhyme or reason behind it?
  
  I suppose you have loved these years since Reagan, but can you contemplate that maybe some have seen it as a destruction of America and her values?
  
  You give no credit to anyone unless they think and feel just like you.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"The GOP at the state and Federal levels is a BIG GOVT proponent when it comes to controlling women whether it be from the Lilly Ledbetter law, redefining the definition of penetration in the criminal code...to contraceptives, and whether Federal Labor Laws can be
ignored by religious organizations.

Its a big election and I only hope turnout is huge from the ladies...."
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"no matter what horrific thing you called him."

This tactic:

Demonize the victim, turn it around on others. Take the blame off them...just like they're doing to Trayvon.

I called Bush a war criminal...but that was after he committed war crimes.

What's your excuse?
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Wesman Todd Shawposted 11 years ago
Obama is a war monger pig. He is a bit of sub human scum that enjoys the deaths of little girls in Pakistan from coward ass remote control airplanes.

He appointed attorney to mass murderers Michael Taylor over the FDA.

Rothschild butt slave Ben Bernake of the the criminal international banking cartel over the federal reserve.

....and he's looking forward to the murder of US citizens as per his being, as sex slave gimp eric holder says, "the embodiment of the constitution."

Any questions?
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What was it that drove you mad?
  
  But seriously the previous administration starts two wars the casualties of which now number over a million, and the cost of which is well into the trillions this administration ends one of those major wars and starts no new ones and Obama is the warmonger?... sure.
  
  The rest is just too distasteful to acknowledge, it's a shame you have to resort to that sort of unhelpful comment instead of a proper reasoned argument.
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  Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good Grief, he sounds as crazy as General Jack D. Ripper, Sterling Hayden's character in Dr. Strangelove.
  
  It must be another Liberal plot to pollute Americans' "precious bodily fluids!"
  
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Looney Tunes!
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Your powers of perception are lacking. IMO
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Nicely explained:

"I think one has to understand that this is about more than demographics: it is about fundamental social change and the reaction to it. And the fundamental changes at stake and at issue are mostly about rights, the rights won by submerged and subordinate groups roughly between 1954 and 1973, and the privileges and powers lost or limited, or perceived to be lost, by those who benefited, however unjustly, from the subordination of others"---Ira Glasser

That's why I, as a mother, can say to my daughter today: "I can't believe we are fighting these fights again!"

Last Gasp of white male power structure.....You don't own it anymore!
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"Phase III of the War on Contraception: Pretend It Was All A Dream"

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2 … -all-dream
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TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years ago
JSCHAMS; Is it so hard for you to believe that there are people out there like me who actually can think for themselves? You assume propaganda is what made my mind up...you couldn't be more wrong. I looked at the tons of hate filled emails I got every day, the horrible things people said and did, such as the sign about "re nig"...it's not too much of a leap to figure out that race plays a VERY big part in why people feel about Obama as they do. I have never seen so much hatred towards a sitting President in my entire life. It was there before he ever took office, and it persists to this day. He's a good man...not a perfect man. He has done a lot of good for this country, and his intentions are honorable. Proof of this is that the only the hate mongers can deal with him is to try and discredit his religion, his birth certificate and any mistake he's ever made. It's sickening and it makes me ashamed of the people in this country who are so ignorant that they cannot even see who he really is.
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LuisEGonzalezposted 11 years ago
Well, I am and have always been a proud republican, with that said, I honestly belive that President Obama has tried his best to do what He thinks is best. I am not arguing if he has or has not done a good job, simply that He has tried....
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Wizard Of Whimsyposted 11 years ago
Incoming!!!!!

[sotto voce: Please overlook the volley of images, but all seemed appropriate to the dialog.]

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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Gulf War Syndrome, Bechtel, Abugharib, Guantanamo, high cost of living, dissappearance of jobs, quality of life, hatred from all the world, Freedom Fries, AG covering the naked statues, stifling creativity, no hires unless you're Christian,no talk of birth control....BY LAW.

No--it wasn't for nothing.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So no bad thing has occured at all these last few years under a different bunch huh?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You accused me of being a rabid Bush hater...as if I did it for sport.
  I gave you my reasons....those that popped to the top of my head.
  
  And I do not wish to go back to that America EVER again.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well you won't because George Bush is gone.
  You suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
  
  You never did answer the question about 9/11 under Clinton or Gore.
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  JSChamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Some of that stuff I have no idea where you get.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
"In one of the most significant reversals of Bush-era policy, the Obama administration plans [this week] to issue greenhouse pollution limits for new power plants, a major step in the fight against global warming. The new rule — which will go into effect in 2013 — confirms the end of the era of dirty coal-fired power plants:"

http://bit.ly/GUEPrL

better hurry and help the earth before the goons get in.......again.
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