America needs to admit it's not 'better than this.'
I never want to hear the words “America is better than this” again. I never want to be told about America’s better angels.
I want honesty. I want an admission of exactly who we are as a country, and let’s be damn clear about that definition: We are a country that just elected – that just willfully chose – one of the most cruel, unscrupulous and transparently self-serving political figures in modern history to be president. Again.
We just elected a convicted felon who has normalized bullying, spread hate like an industrial sprinkler and shown us over and over and over again he sees laws as irrelevant and self-enrichment as sacrosanct. Faced with a billowing ocean of red flags – from indictments for trying to overturn the 2020 election to the coddling of dictators who rule enemy nations – a majority of Americans cast their vote for the man who is a totem of the worst in all of us.
So spare me the wails of “This isn’t who we are!” I’ve got bad news for the sane and decent among us: This is exactly who we are.
We’re a country that supports the mass deportation of immigrants, a promise Donald Trump made and will undoubtedly keep. When families are pulled apart, cities and towns are raided by federal law enforcement and the people who once worked in communities and made homes there – some for decades – are penned in detention camps, it is the voting public that approved such a thing.
If legal citizens get swept up in the chaos, so be it. It was the voters’ choice.
When an unhinged and unqualified billionaire like Elon Musk is put in charge of slashing the federal government to bits, that will be what America chose.
When the Department of Education is abolished and our education system falls into the hands of right-wing ideologues and religious zealots, that’s the outcome of the choice U.S. voters made.
When Trump’s tariffs hit and drive up prices across the board for consumers, it won’t be the fault of the myriad economists who told us what would happen. It will be the thing a majority of Americans chose. It will be the economic pot they chose to be boiled in, even though the Biden-Harris administration has the economy rocking.
When Trump does away with his own legal cases – trashing the rule of law his party once claimed to stand for – that will be what the people wanted. When he turns the U.S. Department of Justice on his so-called enemies, when he goes after Democrats and others with malicious intent and calls in the military to stifle any form of dissent, keep your mouth shut about that being un-American. It’s now 100% American, because it’s exactly what people in this country willfully chose.
I don’t want to hear a damn word – ever – about anyone not realizing just how bad things could get. I don’t want to hear about how grocery prices were too high so you figured voting for Trump couldn’t hurt. I don’t want to hear how you didn’t like either candidate so you sat the 2024 election out.
The stakes of this election could not have been more clear and could not have been broadcast any louder. Vice President Kamala Harris ran as smart a campaign as I’ve seen. She reached across the aisle and offered a big tent for people to seek shelter. She was qualified – as a former prosecutor, a former U.S. senator and a vice president – in ways Trump could never imagine.
But America chose the guy who cavalierly said he’d be a dictator for a day. Voters chose the guy who denounces our allies and cozies up to our enemies. Voters chose the guy who is an adjudicated rapist, a role model to none, an often-incoherent and always hate-fueled loon who has turned Americans against each other in ways I never thought possible.
Voters chose Trump. He won. Cruelty won. Bullying won.
And that’s who America is right now. We are Trump, and we will own every bit of the shameful and painful and embarrassing things he does. We are not "better than this." We lost the right to make that claim the moment the presidential race was called.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ … 942805007/You handle the "quill" pretty well yourself.
We just put "Biff Tannon" in charge and that "shining city on the hill" is now a dung heap.
Yes, giving the job of "Government efficiency expert" is giving that kooky Musk just another shiny toy with which to play. How many people lives are now going to be toyed with as a result?
The country is now being sold out to the highest bidder. Trump will reintroduce the spoils system that was eliminated in the 1880s. How dumb is that?
We have all the post mortem people and articles ad nauseum, scratching for a rational reason or excuse as why the Harris campaign failed, while dancing around the real reason that you pointed out; Trump is America and America is Trump.
Despite all of Trumps lies, crimes and serious shortcomings, the greater crime is a Black woman who was running for President. This is the real lesson taught last November 5.
This is the harbinger of the fall of America, domestically and internationally. I was hoping that this event would take place outside of my lifetime, if at all, well into the future, but it is here and now.
You penned a nice piece, thanks...I appreciate the thought and the time you've taken to read. This is an opinion piece by Rex Huppke. I wish I could get my thoughts out as eloquently and succinctly as he and yourself. I'm extremely frustrated for what half this country has given us.
I am feeling deeply disappointed. It matters that free people voluntarily chose to cloak Trump in power he will almost certainly abuse in far-reaching and destructive ways. Our country made the choice to walk down the dark path of Trump’s hate, and conspiracies... Again! We will come to regret it.
Most shocking to me? My fellow Americans did this. They wanted this, and I’ll never again take it as a given that they’re a good and kind people. The cost is too high.
Sadly, Harris's loss has once again proved that even the most damaged and dangerous male candidate imaginable was preferable to more American voters than a far more talented, intelligent, and capable woman. It does not reflect well on the American electorate."It matters that free people voluntarily chose to cloak Trump in power he will almost certainly abuse in far-reaching and destructive ways."
He very well may. Trump is a quick learner (he has shown us all that) and 8 years of unrelenting persecution and "lawfare" has given him lots and lots of training.
I like it! Leave the matter of govt. efficiency with legislators who have, for decades/centuries, proven very well that they cannot do the job. Do NOT let a man who has proven that he CAN do the job anywhere near it!
Wilderness, the problem is that just because someone is expert in lining their own pockets, does not make them a be all know it all expert in everything. Public service requires a differing skills set, an example made most clear during Trump's first term.
One of the talking heads on the "news" show I was watching during the election commented that he had heard, many times, that the voter did not like Trump, but that Trump had, by far, the better platform.
In other words the very things you're whining about - deportation of illegals, smaller government with fewer rules, fair trade, slowing inflation ARE what people want. Your whining, your name calling, your gross exaggerations, your false statements don't change that. Nor do they make the desires of the majority somehow "wrong" because you exaggerate them or declare good, highly intelligent men "unhinged". Such tactics may even be a good part of why Harris lost, for that's nearly all she had to offer, too. That Trump was "unhinged" (just like you and Musk) and so must be kept out of politics.What I hear to much on podcasts and read in the newspaper is what the problem was with Harris's campaign. All theories pointing to the Democrats as the guilty ones.Because they lost.
Not thinking the other way around. Why did Trump win.
Why did a fascist win?
There are a thousand reasons. But mainly because most humans don't think critically. They vote with their guts or sexual organs or whatever but seldom with their brains. (although they might find a bizarre reason why they voted with their gut)
Fascism is exactly that.. Voting with your gut, with fear. Trump's campaign was so much about fear.
Fear against foreigners (minority group)
Fear against transsexuals (minority group)
Make America great Again - So a longing to a mythical time it was great.. nostalgia.
It is a classic fascist playbook.
And exactly, the US is not "better than this". Otherwise it would have voted differently. IT is apperently a country ripe for the picking to change it into a fascist control state. (great that AI Musk is on board to organize this)
What used to be conservative or right-wing is now extreme right. And people vote out of habit too. They voted all their lives Republican and will do all their lives even if the Republicans have gone fascist.
The US is not the only country who's gone to the far right. The Netherlands, once a liberal country has gone to the extreme right too. (luckily the Netherlands does not have a two party system and is democratically far more robust then the US so it will survive this extreme right-wing government)
And more fascist movements in Europe are on the rise.
So yes, Trump is a fascist. And no, he is definitely not Hitler. Hitler was nationalism together with fascism and a personality cult...
But trump has a personality cult, used Nationalism and is in bed with the big companies just like Hitler. Hitler was a capitalist doing big business with IBM, Volkswagen etc. So well....
History is never exactly repeating itself, but it makes lots of variations on the same theme.
So yes, if you're white. You're all right. If you're brown, stick around. But if you're black.... get back get back.... seems to be the opening theme
here...
(and the colours can be substituted for lots of money, a bit money, no money or straight, homosexual, transsexual or private educated, educated not educated.) The groups will widen.You say it's a lack of critical thinking, I say it's those "thousand reasons" you dismiss as secondary.
When you speak of critical thinking the base of the message is that the object is too dumb to know the 'right' reasons they should vote for a candidate. That's arrogant as hell, and even worse, from my perspective, is that it is the accusers who are being too dumb.
Consider: Before 2015 I bet most voters would have chuckled if told a man like Trump would be a viable candidate, and laugh in your face if told he would win. Sound like a fair bet, or would you bet against it?
If that is a fair assumption, then 'reason' is either yours—a lack of critical thinking by folks that don't see things as you do, or, it is my reason—it's those "thousand reasons" Liberals so arrogantly dismiss.
Your choice requires mass hypnosis or mesmerization of tens of millions of minds. My choice only requires looking at the mass of those thousand reasons.
Considering that in addition to the Republican voter gains, the Democrats lost a lot of Democrat voters in key Democrat regions, your 'reason' says they lack critical thinking ability too.
GAYes, GA it is a lack of critical thinking.
It's not about the persons skill people are voting for but it's a popularity contest. And Trump is a master in Social Media. So he wins.
If Joe Rogan had gone for the presidency he would've probably been voted in.
That Trump has a low moral standerds, is a fascist and a sexist is seen as unimportant or thrown of the table as labeled as slander.
I'm not going into this discussion anymore. Trump has won.
And I hope that he will make America Great Again, for whatever that means. I hope that Trump will be there for all Americans from all races and religions, for the disabled and homosexuals, the Jews, the Muslims and the atheists and the Christians. Women and men.
I hope Medical Care will be cheaper and prices of groceries and gas will go down..
I hope Trump will make a great economy for all citizens.
I hope Trump will take the climate crisis seriously
I hope GA, that the next 4 years will be better.
I hope I was wrong and accused him falsify.But wait, go if you must, but at least understand the intent of my comment before you do. None of it was intended to defend, or even discuss Trump. Or the right or wrong of a Trump vote. It was solely addressing the 'why' it happened and how wrong I think it is to blame Trump voters' lack of critical thinking ability.
GAYes, that is why your reflection back at 'liberals'... or more appropriately perhaps, Progressives... is truly warranted.
They don't want to look at or acknowledge the reasons WHY people turned back to Trump.
They only want to consider what the likes of MSNBC and the NYTimes tells them, that Trump is racist, sexist, a traitor, a tyrant, and will end democracy... that is all you need to know... so don't vote for him.
However... none of that requires critical thinking.
Critical thinking leads you to questioning...
How can he be a tyrant... he is a former President?
How is he a sexist... when he is surrounded by Strong Women?
More to the Point of the Matter...
What drove people BACK to Trump?
Was it tens of millions of migrants, many given taxpayer funded support, being put up in five-star hotels, etc.?
Was it 25% inflation, in total, over Biden's 4 years?
Was it calling all Trump supporters traitors and domestic terrorists?
Was it men competing with women, as women, in High School and College sports?
Was it choosing war with Russia over enforcing the Minsk II Agreement?
Was it the unrestrained support for Israel's 'war on terror'?
Was it one or more of the other 994 'thousand reasons' you noted?You're right, Progressives is more accurate. There are moderate Liberals, but I don't think there are any moderate Progressives.
The rest of your comment was the point being made. No one asks what could possibly be so bad that it drove 'sane' people to vote for Trump. The 'lack of critical thinking ability' explanation is simply a safe space answer that doesn't require any other examination or explanation.
That sounds a bit harsh but it feels true. Those with critical thinking ability should use it on any of the examples you listed.
GA
I understand that GA: The pro's and cons of Trump is a discussion that's getting old.
Again, why I think or said about the lack of critical thinking is that many are in their own social media bubble. Some people hardly knew Harris and have been listening to Trump giving his perspective over Twitter and Truth Social, Fox news etc for over 4 years.
So that's why Joe Rogan could have won too!
People are not thinking critical anymore because they hear the same rhetoric over and over again. People have become immune for the weird things Trump does.
People don't care any more about the low moral standards Trump has. Why?
What if Reagan, Obama or George Bush had said the things Trump said? They wouldn't dare or even think about it. So, the times have changed.
And yes, I think a lot of critical thinking is lost. Thanks to the Social Media. And this is not only in the US but in Europe as well. And not only on the conservative side but also on the radical left who has lost their critical thinking and just walk behind the voice of some influencers.
First, let me define critical thinking: it is the ability to objectively analyze, evaluate, and interpret information to form a well-reasoned judgment or decision. It involves questioning assumptions, identifying biases, and considering multiple perspectives. With that in mind, I must ask—do you believe your comment was formed using critical thinking?
This perspective, though vibrant, overlooks some critical nuances about voters, Trump’s campaign, and the broader political dynamics. Let me offer a counterview.
While it's easy to generalize about why people vote for any candidate, dismissing Trump voters as lacking critical thinking simplifies a much more complex reality. People don't always vote out of fear or gut instincts; many weigh their choices based on tangible policy issues that align with their values—whether economic, social, or cultural. For instance, Trump's emphasis on economic revitalization, securing borders, and reducing global entanglements resonated with those who felt left behind by globalization and disconnected from political elites. These issues matter deeply to voters, and framing their concerns as mere emotional reactions can be both dismissive and alienating.
Just calling Trump a fascist leans on a rhetorical shortcut that overlooks the broader spectrum of political ideologies. While his messaging included strong nationalist themes, equating that with fascism risks conflating different historical and political contexts. Many Trump voters saw his "Make America Great Again" slogan not as a longing for a mythical past but as a call to address what they perceive as a decline in national unity, economic security, and global influence. That interpretation isn’t inherently fascist; it's a reflection of discontent with perceived systemic failures.
Moreover, some voters felt that the Democratic Party was no longer recognizable or representative of the needs of all the people. They perceived a shift toward catering to niche interests or promoting divisive identity politics at the expense of addressing broad economic and societal concerns. This perception alienated many who had previously supported the Democratic Party or viewed it as a vehicle for the common good.
Labeling large swaths of voters as complicit in a turn toward fascism creates barriers to understanding. If the goal is to foster a more inclusive and equitable society, it requires engaging with—not vilifying—those who hold different views. Many Americans voted for Trump because they saw him as an outsider who could disrupt a system they felt wasn't working for them, not because they endorsed authoritarianism or discriminatory policies.
The rise of populist movements in the U.S. and Europe reflects broader challenges, such as economic inequality, cultural shifts, and dissatisfaction with traditional governance.
Addressing these issues requires critical thinking, empathy, and collaboration—not broad-brush condemnation of entire voter groups, as you offered... Dismissing people as unthinking or morally deficient overlooks the possibility of meaningful dialogue; it simply just appears very Inflexible.If I label someone as a fascist I use the word not as a swearword. I use the word as a political philosophy.
When you know what fascism is. You will see that Trump ticks many boxes.
I will copy and paste the definition given by Umberto Eco here.
And you will see how dangerously close Donald Trump comes to the definition of fascism.
1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
5 "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society. Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
8. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
9. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
10 "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
11 "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".
12 "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".
13. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.I understand your thoughts, but I don't believe that applying Umberto Eco’s definition of fascism to Trump is entirely fair or accurate. While it is true that Eco's framework provides a lens to analyze authoritarian tendencies, it is a nuanced definition meant to describe a broad category of ideologies rather than a specific individual. Simply "ticking boxes" doesn't necessarily equate to full alignment with fascism, as political leaders from various ideologies may exhibit traits or behaviors that overlap with Eco’s points without fully embodying them.
For example, “fear of difference” and “obsession with a plot” are broad accusations. Trump’s emphasis on border security and immigration is a policy stance that many conservatives support, not inherently a fear-based approach to governance. Policies can have pragmatic motivations rather than being rooted in xenophobia. Similarly, concerns about “plots” like election integrity are not unique to Trump and have been voiced across the political spectrum.
The point about "disagreement as treason" and "selective populism" is interesting, but Trump’s rhetoric often hinges on a combative style that appeals to his supporters rather than a systematic suppression of dissent. His critics have faced harsh words, but that’s distinct from the structural oppression seen in true fascist regimes.
I also find the "rejection of modernism" and "cult of tradition" points tenuous when applied to Trump. His administration was not anti-modern; it supported technological advancements and embraced modern economic policies. While he might use traditionalist rhetoric, it's often in the context of appealing to cultural pride rather than dismissing progress.
Eco’s criteria are fascinating for academic analysis, but calling Trump a fascist based on them risks oversimplifying both his policies and the complexities of fascism. Labels like these carry heavy historical and political weight, and misapplying them diminishes their significance in identifying true authoritarianism. I believe a more nuanced discussion of Trump’s policies and leadership style is more constructive than applying a label with such broad and intense implications.If you look at Donald Trump’s rhetoric and actions you see the following.
1. The Cult of Tradition
Eco’s fascism reveres a mythical, idealized past. Trump’s slogan “Make America Great Again” directly invokes a nostalgic, unspecified "great" period, appealing to traditionalist ideals. His focus on restoring "American greatness" often aligns with appeals to cultural conservatism and historical revisionism.
2. Rejection of Modernism
Skepticism of intellectual advancements. Trump’s frequent disdain for experts, scientists, and intellectuals, particularly during crises like COVID-19, echoes this anti-modernist tendency.
3. The Cult of Action for Action’s Sake
Fscism as glorifying action without reflection. Trump’s style of leadership often included impulsive decision-making and statements, evident in his Twitter activity, where he frequently bypassed deliberation or evidence-based reasoning.
4. Disagreement Is Treason.
Fascist ideologies often label dissent as betrayal. Trump’s repeated attacks on the "fake news media," labeling journalists as “the enemy of the people,” reflect this dynamic. Political opponents were often painted as unpatriotic or threats to national integrity.
5. Fear of Difference.
Scapegoating of minorities. Trump’s rhetoric about immigrants (e.g., “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”) and his focus on building a border wall to prevent immigration strongly align with this feature. His policies often targeted marginalized groups, such as Muslims during the travel ban.
6. Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class.
Fascism often exploits the grievances of economically and socially insecure groups. Trump’s appeal to white, working-class voters who felt disenfranchised by globalization or demographic changes fits this pattern. He frequently positioned himself as their voice against "elites."
7. Obsession with a Plot.
Conspiracy theories. Trump promoted or tolerated conspiracies like QAnon and repeatedly suggested unfounded claims, such as widespread election fraud. These narratives create a sense of constant threat and justify extraordinary measures to combat supposed enemies.
8. The Enemy Is Both Strong and Weak.
Fascism portrays the enemy as simultaneously omnipotent and vulnerable. Trump’s descriptions of his political adversaries and groups like Antifa or China follow this paradox, suggesting they wield enormous, shadowy power but can still be vanquished by his leadership.
9. Pacifism Is Trafficking with the Enemy.
Fascists often frame peace efforts as weakness. Trump’s militaristic posturing and disdain for international agreements (e.g., withdrawal from the Paris Accord or the Iran nuclear deal) reflect a preference for dominance over diplomacy.
10. Contempt for the Weak.
Fascist ideologies glorify strength and disparage weakness. Trump’s ridicule of individuals he perceives as weak—such as disabled journalist Serge Kovaleski, or veterans like John McCain ("I like people who weren’t captured.")—aligns with this trait.
11. Selective Populism
The disciption of selective populism as the leader claiming to embody the will of the people while dismissing democratic institutions. Trump often framed himself as the sole representative of "real Americans," undermining institutions like the judiciary, Congress, and the electoral process when they contradicted him.
12. Newspeak.
The use of simplistic, reductive language to stifle complex reasoning. Trump’s communication style, particularly his tweets, relied on repetitive slogans, derogatory nicknames (e.g., “Crooked Hillary”), and oversimplified solutions, which mirror this linguistic strategy.
Tick the boxes.There is also something called "Trump Derangement Syndrome" or TDS.
I'll check that box.Wanted to let you know that all American do not believe that Trump walks on water. I am in agreement with your assessment.
We live in interesting times (Like the Chinese curse says.)
The world is changing.
The political landscape has not only radicalized in the US, but in many European countries too.
It is sad to see, that now the world is facing global changes. Like AI, climate change, drought, religious wars.
We see more and more politicians who don't know anything about politics as they have a background of shouting on social media.
If I may give an example from The Netherlands. They have since July a right of center government. A coalition (The Netherlands always has coalitions) Of right, extreme right and a populist farmers party.
They were great in telling people how they would fix the country. Populist Slogans and one liners. At the moment this government is trying to make an immigration crisis. As when something is a crisis, A government can make rules without the approval of the House.
But there is no immigration crisis. The foundation of their claims are all debunked by professional civil servants. There is no proof at all that the government can call it a crisis. But they say that they are following the feelings of the people...Feelings and sentiment....
In other words, The Netherlands has an incredible incompetent government with people who can shout but have no idea how to run a country..
This tendency I see here on a local level in Spain too.
With Trump we saw it the last time he governed. I can't remember how many people he fired, but it was a lot, showing his incapacity to form a professional team. Today you see that Trump finds loyalty more important than competence. Like a mobster/ tyrant
But you can't run a professional business on loyalty, you need professionalism and know how.
But in the meantime he can do a lot of damage.Yes, Peter, the world is changing for the worse on many front. I thought that those living in the 21st century would be well aware of what tyranny looks like.
But you never want to confuse a rightwing reactionary with the facts. Factual evidence support no such crisis in Holland, but yet people choose the comfort of the lie over an inconvenient truth. People need to be stirred up to start shouting instead of thinking. This is America and the trend toward devolution seem to find itself making a home in many Western Democracies.
I have to add a chuckle, speaking with Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada, Trump recently suggested that Canada joins the Union as the 51st state. Trump also suggests that so large a nation can be split to form two new states. Such gall, huh?
Trump is not a professional himself, he is only going to attract criminals and sycophants. Any former Republican with any real competence and experience wouldn't touch this administration with a 10'foot pole condelezza Rice comes to mind.
Yes, Peter, many of us are concerned about Trump's commitment to Democracy and his push to break all the rules of decorum.
Yes, we are in trouble here, I can only hope that Spain remains a safe place for you.
This comment is passionate but leans heavily on emotion rather than a balanced analysis of the election and the state of the country. While I understand and respect the deep frustration being expressed, it comes across as inflexible, as if the author believes others must answer to her standards of judgment. Ironically, this perspective seems authoritarian in itself, demanding that everyone adopt her interpretation of the election and its implications.
Just labeling Trump’s voters as willfully endorsing "cruelty" and "bullying" discounts the complexity of why people vote the way they do. Many Americans who supported Trump likely did so not because they condone every aspect of his character or policies, but because they felt his platform aligned more closely with their priorities—whether economic concerns, opposition to perceived government overreach, or frustration with the Democratic Party's direction. Reducing their choice to a moral failing disregards the broader socioeconomic and cultural factors that influence elections.
Plus this narrative of impending doom, while compelling, assumes the worst possible outcomes without considering the checks and balances inherent in American governance. The United States is a nation with strong institutions, a diverse electorate, and the ability to adapt and self-correct. Characterizing a Trump presidency as an unmitigated descent into authoritarianism ignores the resilience of American democracy and the active engagement of its citizens in shaping its future.
The claim that Kamala Harris ran a smart campaign and reached across the aisle might not align with how many voters perceived her candidacy. Criticism of her tenure as vice president, questions about her relatability, and a lack of traction with key voting blocs played significant roles in the election outcome. Simply blaming voters for not recognizing her qualifications overlooks the importance of messaging, campaign strategy, and connecting with the electorate.
The statement that "we are Trump" oversimplifies the diverse and often conflicting views within America. A single election result does not define an entire nation, nor does it erase the millions who voted differently or abstained. The beauty and challenge of democracy lie in its reflection of a broad spectrum of beliefs, even when they clash. Acknowledging this complexity fosters dialogue rather than deepening divisions.
Dismissing others’ choices as inherently wrong or immoral without inviting meaningful dialogue creates a barrier to progress. True leadership comes from understanding, not dictating.
And this is what Trumpism brings us...
Authorities are investigating racist text messages sent to Black Americans across the country telling them they have been “selected to pick cotton.”
“The FBI is aware of the offensive and racist text messages sent to individuals around the country and is in contact with the Justice Department and other federal authorities on the matter,” the FBI said Thursday.
Reports of the message began circulating on social media, with users posting images of the text they had received.
Though the exact wording of the message differed slightly among some, the tone remained consistent.
“You have been selected to pick cotton at the nearest plantation,” one message said, according to someone who received the message and posted it to social media.
Be ready at 1:00 pm SHARP with your belongings. Our Executive Slaves will come get you in a Brown Van, be prepared to be searched down once you’ve enter the plantation. You are in Plantation Group C. good day.”
The anonymous messages were reportedly received by Black Americans in several states, including New York, Alabama, California, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee. High school and college students were reportedly among the recipients.
This is what trumpism brings us. This is what he emboldens. This is the Trump effect.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc … americans/I have read about this
These are the critters that crawl from under the floor boards at night given permission as part of the "Trump Effect" (you coined the phrase and I like it) small minded people fundamentally. Trump's victory will be the key to the Pandora's box releasing every vile and disgusting thing. This is just the beginning, this kind is just getting started.
....Stop..... please.... .... ohhh gawd....
I think I cracked a rib.... ohhhh gawd...
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Best post by Credence of all time.... poetry... pure gold...
That belongs in a Forums Hall of Fame of posts.Oh Ken, Oh My God! I can't believe the hysteria. Ay, ay, ay!
Thanks, I will take a compliment whenever I can get it, Ken
Many of your guys may consider this assault against young black people as an aberration, only, But, I still believe that these and future new assailants of this sort will believe that they have Trump's tacit approval to indulge themselves without any restraint.
So, the meme has nothing to do with the issue at hand.As it was meant, truly, sometimes words flow well and capture both the feeling and intent... it can be a piece of art sometimes...
[edit] just went back to reread it.... .... its just so good.
OK, as to the next paragraph...
There may be something to that, some extremists who see in Trump something he does not want to represent.
Perhaps they see that in him because the Main Stream Media has called him that for 9 years now. ...?
Perhaps they see that because they see people who support him treated like they are nazi supporters?
People who support Trump, the 75+ million Americans don't see him that way...
YOU see them that way...
Can you see that?
*This reply was previously reassigned.
When a meme really is the best messenger . . .
GAOh, absolutely, because this is exactly what left-wing media does best—throwing around derogatory labels. Who needs actual solutions when you can just call people names and call it progress?
--- "WASHINGTON, D.C. - Still reeling from their election losses, Democrats have vowed to adjust their strategy by calling people racist even harder.
"The real reason we didn't win these elections is because we weren't calling people racist hard enough," said Joy Ann Reid, Democrat activist/journalist. "We called voters racist on the hour, when we really should have been doing it every minute. And we should have been doing it with more anger and passion."
"I really think it was that we didn't try hard enough to look like insane deranged lunatics. We really need to lean into that more." Reid then screamed at the sky to demonstrate what her fellow Democrat activists should have been doing the whole time."
https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-vow-to … ven-harderThis actually doesn't have anything to do with media. It has to do with the fact that racist text messages were sent to black folks around the country, many of which were sadly enough high school students.
I hadn't checked the link; the meme's message was the only point I was going for. It was a good fit for the comment it is attached to.
Don't consider that as a criticism of your added info, or as an agreement with it. 'Nobody knows beans, yet'. Nowadays, I string a lifeline everytime I enter a reply.
*But come on, that was a good meme for the comment . . .
GAGA... you need to pen this under your trademark GA:
*This reply was previously reassigned.
That is too good...
Gotcha, no concern for the actual messages being sent. LOL who said these forms have become juvenile?
No, you don't 'got it' at all. What was the message of the meme if it wasn't exactly what the meme said, and infered?
What was the point and topic of your comment that the meme replied to that wasn't about how racist Trump supporters are?
The two were as tied together as a knitting stitch. What is "juvenile" about the connection? I think your 'juvenile' is misplaced, and if just a smidge of snark (equal to your choice of "juvenile"?) slips through, the proper placement would be obvious.
GA ;-)
But they all aren't. This one was better suited for an edit. ;-o
GAI'm never really sure of your intent on this forum. Is it simply to be snarky and sarcastic or do you have any sort of policy positions? How do you feel about Trump's promises of mass deportation and tariffs?
You stopped me with this. Here's a straight answer.
I try to stay away from sarcasm as much as possible, and I thought I had a cap on the snarkiness (for the last couple of years, at least. I better ask Cred if the 'cap is still on the bottle'). If you still see either in my responses, give me the benefit of the doubt that it is unintentional—unless it is noted (as it was in my reply to "juvenile"). And even then, it is never derogatorily intended.
I generally try to stick to one point at a time, and only to points I think I understand; for instance, mass deportations, I can't argue what I can't define. What is Trump's mass deportation plan/policy?
Don't answer that, it was a point, not a question. ;-)
I do have all sorts of policy (but mostly ideological) positions. They're almost always some shade of purple, so 'camp' slanders and assumptions are usually misplaced (but almost always assumed to be true). I'm an equal-opportunity curmudgeon and optimist.
However, that an explanation is needed shows that I'm not doing a very good job of picking entry points.
GAOr... some people just can't think like that.
For instance, much is made about how Progressives can't meme and don't understand them... all they see is that they are hurtful or offensive.
Some people can no longer see the world in anything other than oppressed and oppressor... victimhood and one's place in the hierarchy of it... some people truly believe white men are all oppressors and that the only way to 'Right the World' is to deconstruct it and rebuild it.
Look... some people have deeply imbedded beliefs that are WAY off the reservation of normal... any semblance of what was considered normal just ten years ago.
Whether it is people pushing for pedophilia to be normalized, or people who think it is OK to allow children to be mutilated or given hormone blockers, or people who think it is OK to bring in millions of foreigners and dump them into unsuspecting towns, by the tens of thousands.
I don't really want to be able to discuss and try to comprehend where someone is coming from, that thinks its OK for children under 10 to have "relations" with adults...
I don't want to discuss why a person believes its OK for a man to compete against women in women's sports.
I want to go back to a world where we say that is WRONG... it is ILLEGAL... and we will punish you to the fullest extent of the law for doing so. So that they cannot bring harm to others, emotionally, physically, or mentally.
Until the Left is willing to say the insanity they have embraced and are attempting to make the 'new normal' is NOT acceptable... then they need to be defeated, marginalized, and kept out of positions of power.
Hopefully this is just the beginning of American waking up and resetting its course... back toward sanity... back to merit and capability, rather than equity and censorship.Their "new normal" can become the "old un-normal."
It's like the stage curtain has been opened to a fresh new set.
I also have renewed hope for our children and grandchildren. No longer am I worried about them ... as I was during the whole entire last four years of absolute hell.
You have improved, you have "bottled the acid" considerably over the years we have been corresponding. But you have been more scarce lately, no need to disappear.
My edge is sharper simply because Donald Trump has come on the scene and made it such. So, now, my acid bottle leaks from the top and I have trouble reaffixing that top in this current political climate.Although it may look so, I don't disappear, it's just that I'm not up to arguing personal (or personality) partisan politics anymore. And that's almost all that's been around for the last few years.
Maybe that's why some misunderstand when I do jump into a thread—relative to a specific point, not the generalities of whoever or whatever is being gored (or adulated).
The first 'yeah, but . . ' is usually my cue that the point is lost.
GA
Thank you for elaborating. I think I have a better understanding of how you see your participation here. I think we would all like to hear you chime in more often on policy and ideological debates.
The meme was spot-on! The reality is that Reid consistently engages in race-baiting during her broadcasts. It's not far-fetched to think she could say something like that—or even more extreme. The meme aligns well with her typical commentary. In my opinion, the Babylon Bee does an excellent job with satirical humor that, at times, closely mirrors real
news.
I think memes may be the best way to share for a while. LOL
- This is the best thread EVER!!!!
Five Star
"I don't want to hear" "I never want to hear" you have used I over and over.
You are entitled to your own perspective, that's your right. However, claiming that others shouldn’t express opinions you don’t like crosses into limiting their right to share their views. By making such a statement, it implies that your perspective holds more weight or importance than those of others.And the fallout continues...
"Women are facing a barrage of deeply misogynistic comments online following Donald Trump’s election victory.
In the wake of the former president’s shocking political comeback, women have reported men are writing “your body, my choice” on their social media posts, among other troubling reproductive rights remarks.
The slogan “my body, my choice” was originally popularised by feminists defending reproductive choices as rights in the Sixties. However, the phrase has now been co-opted for the adverse effect.
Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist podcaster ( and Trump dinner guest) known for his long history of antisemitic and misogynistic remarks, wrote on X/Twitter as Trump’s victory emerged: “Your body, my choice. Forever.”
The phrase has spread like wildfire on TikTok, where numerous women have been told their bodies no longer belong to them following the presidential election result.
“‘Your body. Our choice’ and ‘We own your body now’ comments are starting to pour in,” Hannah Cor, advocate for women’s healing and liberation said in a post on the app.
“Men no longer have or be quiet in their hatred for women,” she claimed. “They can hate us out loud and lose nothing.”
Meanwhile, influencer Camila Guadarrama revealed: “I had to delete a video because I was being threatened and several men [were] commenting saying they couldn’t wait until I get [raped] or [they were saying] ‘your body my choice.
How are young women supposed to feel right now,” one user on X/Twitter questioned in response to the pervasive online misogyny.
“They’re just proving that it’s more about controlling us women than actually caring about politics or policies,” another person claimed.
I spent a little time on tik tok to see for myself... All I have to say is I'm grossed out by the rise and misogyny.
X is littered with much of this..
"Little boys were saying “your body, my choice” to little girls at school today. But tell us more about the scary books in the library.". Many accounts of young boys threatening female classmates.
Black folks (predominantly children) getting texts about being grouped to pick cotton at plantations, women and young girls being harassed by men saying, “your body, my choice.”. SMH it's been less than a week.
https://x.com/RyanShead/status/1854355496486281725
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl … 43207.htmlSo, we are on a way to being a better nation?
The troglodytes have come out of hiding from behind Trumps skirts.
Women, particularely white ones voted to allow the "Man" hegemony over their bodies, why?
They wish to lead women around by their umbilical cords, much like a dog on a leash.
Harris' fears have been realized, we are going back. It is more than about abortion access and reproductive choices, it about domesticating women, again like one would do with a puppy. Who does not know that these initiatives serve to undermine progress for women within this society in all of its aspects? Are we to believe that so many important rights and prerogatives are less important than the price of ground beef at the market? Who would willingly make such a trade? Once the Neanderthals get a firm handhold, where will it end.....oddly enough many of the white woman over 65 supported Harris. They are of the "boomer" generation that fought for so much of this during the late 1960s and 1970s. Did they do all of that to simply watch those gains be lost by their progeny?
Between you and me, Willow, I still do not understand why after every misogynistic assault by Trump and the MAGA over the last 3-4 years the majority of white women still voted for him?I think we can go back to James Carville's phrase: "It's the economy stupid". I think Harris needed to focus more on the economic message. She definitely needed to attack the tariffs and mass deportation plans a lot harder and more directly than she did.
I think she did run an effective campaign overall, judging it on the basis of campaign tactics, but the underlying structures and divisions of our politics were hard to overcome. Trump didn’t create these divisions, but he exploits them like no one else can.
I have to ask — how old are you? Do you spend much time on social media? This type of nonsense is everywhere, in almost every other comment, and sometimes worse. It targets not just women, but men too. It’s unfortunate, but it's part of the social media landscape. I understand feeling insulted, but do you really take what you read on social media seriously? It might be better to toughen up or, even better, stay off those platforms altogether. Some of the things you see there are truly ridiculous.
Have you seen some of the horrific things being posted about the new president? Or do you pick and choose who you’re concerned about? Strong women would laugh off such an absurd statement. The other article --- anyone who receives a threat should report it to the FBI not just the media... I question her report.Thank you Sharlee. I have never heard such inanities in my 70 years of life. The Democrats are really becoming totally unhinged to the point of committal insanity. The Democrats with its leftist, inane, & juvenile ideology did it to themselves. Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the Democrats losing the election. Remember, Sharlee, give them enough rope & they will hang themselves. They are hanging themselves. Bring out the gourmet cheddar cheese popcorn. This is beyond hilarious, imitating Kamala's cackling..
Do you have anything to add to the actual issue I raised?
Hi Grace, I get what you're saying. For me, the focus on misogyny, while important, sometimes feels exaggerated. Many women, especially those who are strong and independent, don't see it as the pressing issue that others might think it is. Women have faced challenges throughout history, and while it’s important to acknowledge those struggles, many of us have learned to navigate and overcome them without needing constant intervention or activism. In this election, I think most women are more concerned with practical issues like jobs, safety, and the economy, rather than isolated insults from men. Life has a way of teaching resilience, and I think most of us appreciate empowerment more than being coddled. I hope some start realizing women are diverse, the majority independent, and actually like being women. Navigating their lives on their own terms.
I am a staunch pro-choice feminist. I approach misogyny straight on. I found misogynists to be small-minded, even personae non gratae. I refuse to permit misogyny deter me from living my full life. No one is going to tell me what to believe & how to live my life. Even as a child, I was strong minded. I wasn't raised in the traditional feminine fashion. I did what I wanted to do. When very young, I knew that I wasn't ever going to marry as I found marriage to be confining. I wanted freedom & a career.
"have to ask — how old are you? Do you spend much time on social media? This type of nonsense is everywhere, in almost every other comment, and sometimes worse."
I spend a fair amount of time surveying (by no means is that my primary source of anything ) social media, particularly if I want to confirm the degree that something I'm reading about elsewhere is truly happening.
What I'm seeing? Girls and young women describing their experiences, often with screenshots of posts or text messages. Til tok videos made by young men with the hashtag "your body my choice". Vulgar videos.
"ISD researchers tracked comments across X, TikTok, forums, blogs, Reddit, and YouTube from October 1 to November 6 and found a spike in misogynist content in late October, just before the election, as well as an increase in posts calling to repeal the 19th Amendment (which gave women the right to vote in the U.S. in 1920).
On the day after the election, phrases like “your body, my choice,” “get back to the kitchen,” and “repeal the 19th” exploded across platforms and have been growing ever since"
This is troubling. This isn't nonsense. This is reality.
"The trend is showing no signs of slowing. On Election Day, far-right Gen Z political podcaster and white supremacist Nick Fuentes fueled the fire when he posted on X, “Your body, my choice. Forever.” The post has since received over 35 million views. The phrase has carried over to TikTok where it appeared on 52,000 posts in a 24-hour period, and even into schools, with some posts showing boys chanting the phrases at girls." MY GOD.
The videos I've watched, the personal experiences of those who took the time to post them, are very unsettling.
"Have you seen some of the horrific things being posted about the new president? Or do you pick and choose who you’re concerned about? Strong women would laugh off such an absurd statement."
Currently I'm addressing the topic of misogyny against young women and girls on social media. If you'd like to start a post about insults being directed at Trump, I will happily chime in.
As far as strong women laughing these comments off. Absolutely agree. There are some really wonderful responses of young women slapping these bros into their place. Yes, quite strong. I think it's sad that they have to deal with such, some won't be as strong though for whatever reason. Not every young woman has that confidence.
But most shocking to me are all the accounts of young boys harassing girls with this phrase, and I'm talking about elementary age children. I really was not prepared for that.
I appreciate your input on the topic.
For reference, this is the post that kicked off The firestorm...
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFKYfwBv/
But this mama sure got it right...
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFKYsV4m/
https://www.fastcompany.com/91225746/yo … p-election
I'm glad to see this post.
I'm glad to see that democrats and liberals won't change their views.
It's refreshing to witness a total lack of desire to understand why President Donald Trump won in a landslide over the democrats candidate.
Keep it the same democrats and liberals. Believe you don't need to change. Proclaim the problem is not with democrats or liberals but with the American people.
Your detachment from the views and beliefs of the majority of Americans will continue to grow.
This will only benefit Republicans and Conservatives.
I support all of you in doing this.I second that... LOL
Mike,
Hey, this isn’t unexpected at all. I mean, throughout the campaign, they ruminated on Trump non-stop, unearthing anything they could to toss mud. But when it came to discussing their own candidate, they just couldn’t touch her. They avoided talking about her or her faults like the plague. If you can’t even have a conversation about your candidate, maybe it’s time to realize something.
She literally had nothing to offer. And now, look at them, flailing around, trying to blame everyone else and make these ridiculous predictions about detention camps and the ruin of the country. Meanwhile, they couldn’t see what we’ve been living through the past four years under the guy they picked. And yet, they wanted to go for another round with someone who would’ve been worse than Joe. Classic.
But you are right, the crazy will only work to benefit us.
Just had to pull out this gal ... She captures something that one can't put into words.
This picture taken in 2016 is priceless. Now, there are people who are crying, shaving their hair(yes, shaving their hair), threatening Trump voters(yes, a Trump voter reported a woman socking her because she voted for Trump), Jimmy Kimmel crying, Sunny Hostin stating that she has "less rights" & other forms of utter insanity.
Grace, yes, I have witnessed some of the hysteria and have even been on the receiving end of threats on social media. I've also noticed that X has seen some particularly alarming threats directed at Trump voters. I think the difference is that conservatives are generally more inclined to ignore such hostility and not give it attention. Cut off the air they need to feed their hate. On X, free speech is upheld, allowing people to express themselves openly. I am just looking forward not backward. That's how I live my life. I hope more that are in a frenzy do take time, and consider a majority are comfortable with a Trump agenda, and are supporting him. The left always speaks about losing democracy --- this election spoke loudly for democracy.
Mike, I am a Liberal Democrat who voted for Trump. I saw how the Democratic Party has devolved into a leftist, lunatic party. I saw how the ideology has become increasing fantastical. The Democratic Party has become, in other words, totally schizophrenic. Yes, I saw many negativities within the party. However, there are FANATICAL Democrats who adamantly refuse to see the negativities; instead, they RATIONALIZE such negativities. I will call out what is wrong regardless of the party, Democrat or Republic. I am impartial in that regard.
I think you're more conservative than you realize. I would probably label you as more of a moderate.
I have democrats as friends and relatives who have told me they are disgusted by how the party lets the extreme minority special interest groups of the party control the entire platform.
Friedrich Nietzsche once said "Out of Chaos Comes Order." If this changes things for the democrat party for the better, a victory by President Donald Trump could be the best thing to happen for them.No, I am not conservative. I am a traditional liberal. I am pro-choice. I am not religious but spiritual. I am a New Ager. However, I believe in strong law & order. I staunchly contend that criminals should be punished for their crimes. I believe that able-bodied, able-minded people should pull themselves up, not depending upon the government. I believe in taking responsibility & being accountable for one's actions. I detest victimhood. I believe in LESS government. I believe that it isn't the government's responsibility to take care of people-that is the responsibility of individuals. People have to make intelligent life choices so they can lead a comfortable lifestyle. People have to learn to be more pro-active in their lives & stop being victims.
"I believe in strong law & order. I staunchly contend that criminals should be punished for their crimes. I believe that able-bodied, able-minded people should pull themselves up, not depending upon the government. I believe in taking responsibility & being accountable for one's actions. I detest victimhood. I believe in LESS government. I believe that it isn't the government's responsibility to take care of people-that is the responsibility of individuals. People have to make intelligent life choices so they can lead a comfortable lifestyle. People have to learn to be more pro-active in their lives & stop being victims."
I hope you know these are very conservative views.
I would say you are what the democrats need to have more in their party, a moderate.Those aren't conservative views but common sense observations. Most reasonable people have these views. No one wants to live in a nanny state & a chaotic society. Many hold views that stupid, unintelligence choices equals dire straits lifestyles. As the saying goes play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
"common sense observations"
Yes, I agree, they are conservative views.
Grace, after reading your comment, I want to share my perspective. I think you may represent what I’d call a new kind of Republican, for lack of a better term. You’ve outlined much of what our evolving party stands for. You might bring up the issue of abortion, but it’s important to remember that many Republicans are pro-choice. I've come to understand that the voices of the majority in each state need to be respected, even if state legislation sometimes doesn’t reflect that. However, in 2024, some states put the issue to a vote, and the right to choose won in several cases. For instance, Florida put it on the ballot, and it was rejected, signaling that individual voices are indeed being heard. I believe that while women should ultimately have the choice, it may currently involve traveling to exercise that right. Putting the decision on the ballot in all remaining states would be a step toward fairness and ensuring every voice is counted.
Having been a long-time Republican, you’ve witnessed firsthand the shifts in both parties over the years. It's true that Trump's brand of Republicanism stands apart from that of George H.W. Bush, with its more direct, populist approach. The comparison to Reagan's era, known for a mix of conservative values and broad appeal, makes sense; many found Reagan’s policies practical and even gained support from Democrats at the time.
I have to say, I completely share your views. Trump seldom uses the word "Republican," but he has managed to unite a party focused on having their voices heard and committed to making America great again. The people have given him a clear mandate, and I trust he will work tirelessly to keep his promises—promises that the Democrats, in many ways, do not support at all.
Well said, Willowarbor.Thank you. I still can't believe this has happened, yet I learned yesterday that 40,000,000 registered Democrats did not vote!
More eligible voters stayed home than voted for either candidate.
It appears harris didn't fill them with a desire to vote for her.
Even the left has to admit she was an awful candidate.Facts --- Both 2020 and 2024 showed historical numbers tat came out and voted----- In the 2024 U.S. presidential election, approximately 158 million votes were cast, with a turnout rate of around 64.5% of eligible voters. This marks a slight decrease from the record-breaking turnout of 159 million votes (65.9%) in 2020. However, it still represents one of the highest levels of voter engagement in recent history.
The last two elections actually showed Democracy at its best.
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