Because of Obama, will it be harder for another black president?

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   910chrisposted 12 years ago

   I have been hearing people say recently that because Obama has done such a poor job, and he is the first black president; it will be harder for another black person to become president. It made me think, so I am wanting to put this one out there and read your thoughts on this issue. I believe that since Bush we should give anybody a close double-take, and evaluate that person and his handling thus far of the office he has or had and etc...

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If only:
      
      
      
      Everyone tries to define this thing called Character. It's not hard. Character is doing what's right when nobody's looking.
      J. C. Watts

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      Moshkaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would think that it should be easier for any other black person to be president since he has set the bar so low.

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      Kris.Cordposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think that over time, whether Obama gets a second term or not, it's going to show that he did not do nearly as poorly as believed.
      
      We easily could have ended up in a full blown depression and I think the actions taken by Obama kept our head above water.  States that have chosen to pursue austerity measures have not done as well as states who have chosen to try to keep demand up at some level.
      
      I think that in all honesty, history will look very poorly upon congress from about 2000 on, with no end in sight to their incompetence.  Our troubles are fiscal, they stem from those that hold the purse strings.  I think the American people need a lesson in basic government if they believe that to be the president.

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well said.

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      roycechavezposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's not that he's done a bad job, it's just really hard to fix a country in four years. I mean, it might be easy to ruin it in that same amount of time, but to replace all that damage? It'll take more than that. It's just not that simple.

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         910chrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree, it is much harder to fix than to destroy.

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         DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         But he has made it worse! his policies are awful and made matters worse. yes it will be a slow recovery but you need to head in the right direction first!

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            910chrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with you DannyMaio, but I doubt we will ever again go in the right direction.

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               DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Well he does have experience as a governor and a really good business record so can only be better then what we have now! If he isn't good we dump his A$$ too!
               
               Obama has a socialist mentality, his cabinet, all the people he surrounds himself with are known Marxist and socialist. He even says in his books he gravitated to the socialist and even attended their meetings! need to say more?

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                  910chrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Not only that, but he wanted the endorsement of the Marxist Party back in 96! Not to mention he NOW has the Communist Party's endorsment! Here it is: azpundit.com/congrats-communist-party-usa-endorses-barack-obama-and-democrats-for-2012-election.

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      dragonflyflaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I vote on the person's values or idealogy and therefore did not vote for Obama. So, if another black person ran that has the values and idealogy that I have, I will vote for them.

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      ib radmastersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Obama is half white and half black, so why is the question that he is a black president.
      
      I guess his mother doesn't count.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Who says he's done a poor job?
   
   Which people would these be?
   
   Personally--I'd say that if you are dissappointed in the past list of prez's, it's a requiem on men.
   
   I Like Obama, and think he's done a smash-up job! Once we get rid of the obstructionists, America will fly.

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      American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Who, economists, policy makers, even his own Democrats are not happy with him

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's their problem.

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   Shanna11posted 12 years ago

   I think, if anything, it's going to be easier. He broke through the "color barrier"--he proved it is possible to be a president and be a different race.
   
   His race should have no bearing on his policies. Just because some people think his policies were bad doesn't mean they shouldn't vote for a black man (or woman!) in the future.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   I'm sure these same people would swear up and down they are not racist.
   
   We as a country are moving backward at a rapid and very disturbing pace. At this rate, we won't have to worry about another black president for another 100 years.
   We may make another grand experiment and elect a woman POTUS though.
   And she will face an equally obstructionist Congress and be scapegoated for being a woman.

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      JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ok.....hold the phone.
      
      If I disagree with Barack.....no matter why...I am a racist?
      
      Please.....

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         American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         JS,
         
         Of course not. Not many people when you get into  disagreement over issues with Barack Obama will call you a racist, but unfortunately it does happen. You know the old saying about bad apples in the bushel.

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            JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Oh I agree. I wrote a hub on the subject that is my highest rated.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   JC Watts.....another graduate of hate-talk radio....YAWN.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      In 1994, the American public met a man whom Oklahomans and football fans had known for two decades--J.C. Watts, Jr. That year he was elected to represent Oklahoma's fourth district in the U.S. House of Representatives. The race wasn't even close; he won a three-way competition with 52 percent of the vote. In 1996 he scored another victory in a three-way race, this time winning 58 percent. A decisive win is nice, but not unusual. However, Congressman Watts is an unusual man. He is the first African American Republican from a Southern state to win a seat in Congress since Reconstruction, and the only African American in the Congressional Class of 1994.
      
      http://www.bookrags.com/biography/juliu … -watts-jr/

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Yeah..he hates libs as much as white R's....yawn.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Is that comment due to the color of his skin?

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No--it's because you act like he's special because he's a black Repub. He's just like all of the GOP radio graduates:
         Mike Pence
         another one with initials as his first name...can't remember....
         Anyway--they are all the same:
         lib-hating and arrogant IMO.

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            Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I have never heard J.C. speak anything but optimism and faith in his Nation!  He did vote for the Patriot Act and for that I would criticize him.  He also walked away from a Congressional seat instead of becoming a lifelong Government parasite!

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               All I remember about him is he was hanging out with that same crowd: the cigar-smoking, cowboy-hat wearing GOP.
               
               and that idiot Bennet who wrote a book on virtue....ewww, and he the gambler and drinker. ugh creeps.
               
               But I do know he had a talk radio show, as did Mike Pence. Maybe JC Watts doesn't hate libs....but I'm guessing he does. SO--I can't say with certainty he is a creep like Mike Pence. But the odds are good.

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                  DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  YOU KNOW THE SAYING!!!
                  
                  WHEN YOU ASSUME YOU MAKE AN      ASS U ME!
                  
                  you are so far left you went off the charts!

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You may have liked that crowd: they gave me the creeps. Big time.

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   Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

   Young people, America needs you. If our country is going to continue to be great if it is going to continue to be strong you are going to have to do your part. You are going to have to fight for America. Fight against skipping school and cheating on your papers. Fight against driving too fast and disobeying your parents. Fight against cursing and smoking . And fight, fight with every fiber of your being against drugs and alcohol. I know, I know You've heard all this before and you probably think that J.C. Watts is just another old fashioned grown-up and if you're thinking that, you're right just ask my five kids, Keisha, Jerrelle, Jennifer, Trey, and Julie.
   
   I know its tough. Thats why I'm asking you to fight and be counted as a leader. You can help your friends find the courage to say no to the things that make them weak. And yes to the things that make them strong. You see character does count. For too long we have gotten by in a society that says the only thing right is to get by and the only thing wrong is to get caught. Character is doing whats right when nobody is looking. And I want to make a promise to you. We will do our best to leave this country in better shape financially, environmentally, and most of all.... spirituality.
   
   Parents and adults I don't just challenge the youth tonight. I challenge you. For what we build and nourish and encourage in our youth today, is what our country will look like 20 years from now.
   
   The American Dream is about becoming the best you can be. It's not about your bank account, the kind of car you drive, or the brand of clothes you wear. It's about using your gifts and abilities to be all that God meant for you to be. Whether your dream is to be a doctor, teacher, engineer, or Congressman. If you can dream it, you can do it. The American Dream is the promise that if you study hard, work hard and dedicate yourself you can be whatever you want to be.
   
   Make America proud by Keeping the American Dream alive. You can do it. You are America's greatest resource. And... one more thing.... if a poor black kid from rural Oklahoma can be here tonight, this great country will allow you to dream your dreams.... too!
   
   August 13, 1996
   Congressman J.C. Watts speaks at the GOP national convention

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   "J.C. Watts: The former college football quarterback was a prominent Republican congressman, but lost considerable influence with conservatives when he publicly noted he was considering backing Obama in 2008."
   
   hmmmm, maybe he's not so bad! 

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      At least you show an open mind. 

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If you want to know the truth...I really never had a big prob with Repubs until the Contract On America....that's when the Dems were demonized, and made un-American. That's when the fists came up...even though I wasn't a Dem at the time.
         
         But, I hate bullies.
         
         And I will never forget Kasich, banging the gavel: "We are in charge now, you don't HAVE a say!"
         
         This is how they have been ever since. Little lord fauntleroys, and fauntlelaura's.

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            American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Can you show the source for Kasich saying that please? Are you saying he was a House or Senate leader when he banged that gavel.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Speaker of House. It was on C-Span, which I've been watching since before Cheney had Wellstone killed.

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                  JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  And he did it from his moon base. I heard them talking about it on Coast-to-Coast AM.

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                  American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  LMC,
                  
                  Hmmm. Can you show what year he was Speaker of the house. Here is a list of some recent ones and I do not see his name on the list
                  
                  Muhlenberg Trumbull Muhlenberg Dayton Sedgwick Macon Varnum Clay Cheves Clay Taylor Barbour Clay Taylor Stevenson Bell Polk Hunter White Jones Davis Winthrop Cobb Boyd Banks Orr Pennington Grow Colfax Pomeroy Blaine Kerr Randall Keifer Carlisle Reed Crisp Reed Henderson Cannon Clark Gillett Longworth Garner Rainey Byrns Bankhead Rayburn Martin Rayburn Martin Rayburn McCormack Albert O'Neill Wright Foley Gingrich Hastert Pelosi Boehner

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                     Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Sadly, I think LMC has been banned permanently from the forums.

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                        Wizard Of Whimsyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Why, LH?  . . . and how do you know?

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                           Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm not sure why exactly. I think it was had to do with a forum about Sharia Law. I wasn't involved with the thread.  She posted a status that said something about someone, I thought her, being banned permanently from the forums. I emailed her but haven't gotten any response.
                           
                           I thought about sending an appeal on her behalf to HP staff but I was waiting to hear back from LMC. Nothing yet.

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                        American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Long,
                        
                        I do not think so, she was giving me grief in another forum over the weekend, and I saw her in forums during the week too. She was typical LMC but I did not see anything should should have been banned over.

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                           Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           This happened in the last couple of days. Unfortunately, what we see as harmless bantering can be seen as something else by the HP police. I was banned for a week recently myself.

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                              JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes but I am surprised she would be a target.
                              I wonder how many of us she has complained about.

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            Dr Billy Kiddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Now the Republicans in the House just end the session if the Democrats begin to get testy and talk the truth. That was caught quite well on C-Span. And why not? They're in power.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Right...they never had any intention of being "bi-partisan"...they only scream about it when Dems are in charge.
               
               And the whole country lets them get away with it. Remarkable.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   Gov. Romney increased Massachusetts taxes and fees by around $750 million per year. http://j.mp/JBRilm
   
   FeeFee or ChopChop
   Either one will do.
   
   Increased fees, chopped services. Socialism for the Rich.
   
   Richy Rich Romney.

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    Dr Billy Kiddposted 12 years ago

    Why would there be another black president, unless he's a billionnaire? The next "minority" president will be Hispanic/Latin ... well, actually, Cuban. That will probably be Marco Rubio, who will take over when Romney finishes. That's because of his pro-wealth politics.
    
    The idea that Obama changed things for black voters is kind of specious. It is America that has changed. Americans honor the rich. And Obama has made it easier for the wealthy--that minority--to win elections. They can say they have a class-warfare president, who they are fighting against. You don't want another one like him. The argument holds truth for a majority of Americans who honor the rich, wanna be like them. After all, people loved the 9-9-9 pizza king, and wanted him as president, because he was rich.

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    Wayne Brownposted 12 years ago

    That all depends on whether folks correlate performance and race.  For me, it is not even a consideration...I could care less. There are many that want to make this about race which I believe, in and of itself, is simply a distraction from the direction and performance which has been exhibited by this President and his Administration. In fact, I believe if there is indeed a race issue related to this presidency, it is surely one that shines the light back on Obama and the poor way in which he has identified with his own race of people.  His intention in doing so may have been noble in that he desired to show no partiality but it came across as a rejection of his own ethnicity for me.  In the end, I truly believe history will look at Obama on the basis of his performance and the actions which he elected to take or allow.  Given that premise, I see no reason that it should hurt the potential for the election of another black person to the office.  I also believe that premise came through in the momentum which Herman Cain exhibited in his run for the office. Although he did not make it through the nomination process, he did demonstrate that he could attract strong support even in the southern USA.  WB

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    Kathleen Cochranposted 12 years ago

    We elected 43 white male presidents before him, some mediocre, some good, some great, some horrible.  None of that kept us from continuing to elect white males to the presidency.  Don't know why anything Obama does, good or bad, should keep us from electing another minority of any variety. 
    
    I'm waiting for the day we elect someone from the majority in this country: a woman.

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       DannyMaioposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       We had the chance...Hilary and we blew it! The Clintons were the ones who showcased Reverend Wright but the dems started shouting Racism on the Clintons!
       
       I truly believe if Hilary was elected things would be much better and we wouldn't be going down the socialist path as we are.

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          scottcgruberposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          1. How are we going down the "socialist path?" Which specific laws or executive orders do you consider "socialism?"
          2. What's so bad about socialism? I'd like to see your explanation.

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    Kathleen Cochranposted 12 years ago

    I'd just like to see the majority in this country represented by the highest office in the land.  It is way past time.  Hilary has shown herself more than capable as secretary of state.  Has anybody noticed 3 of the last 4 sos have been women?  Any one of them (or several others) would make a fine president.  I'm just tired of women being considered a minority.  We never have been.

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       Dr Billy Kiddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Wimpy Prez Obama if afraid to fire Joe Biden and take Hillary as the V.P. candidate in November. Without Clinton, Obama loses.
       
       And, you know, I don't like the word "minority." I think it's discrimatory. Or else it would be used in L.A. for whites where Cacausians are about 30% of the population.

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    Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years ago

    "Because of Obama, will it be harder for another black president?"
    
    Did people stop electing white presidents after Nixon?

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       Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It will be a cold day in hell before America elects another Quaker, that's for sure!
       
       RFLMAO on that one, Hugh!

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          Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Nixon never seemed very "Quaker-ish" to me. I doubt if he even ate the oatmeal.

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             Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I doubt he did either.
             But he sure drank the Agent Orange war koolaid, didn't he?
             

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                Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                He certainly did that.
                
                I guess it's a plus that no matter who wins the next election, he'll be much more honest than Dick was.
                
                

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                habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                War koolade? Nixon ended the Vietnam War.

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       MsDoraposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I hear you, Hugh Williamson.  I'm putting my two cents on repeating YOUR question.

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          Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks MsDora.   

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       habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       We've tried a black male and lots of white males. It's time for us to try a woman - white, black, Latina, Asian American, or Native American!
       
       Seriously, having an AA POTUS has disappointed me in America. Perhaps we haven't come as far from racism as we thought. I've heard people use all sorts of racial slurs in regard to Obama, and these were from individuals whom I thought didn't have a racist bone in their bodies. Frankly, I was shocked to hear such words fall from their mouths.
       
       Don't get me wrong - I don't think everyone opposed to Obama is racist. I didn't vote for him, but I respect him as our POTUS and as a person. There are some, however, who hate him just for being black.

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          Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Good post.

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          screamingposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I agree. Just so many who are racist, are to embarressed to admit it. Or they say, Im not racist, I have a black friend. Yeah right. lol

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          American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Personally, I do not think Obama being black will have an impact on future AA Running for the top office. Obama's failed policies have nothing to do with his race anymore than the mistakes Bush made has to do with his race. People just like to play the race card when it is convenient. Does that mean I think that there is no racism, no, it is still there and I think has gotten worse over the last 3 years.
          
          I agree with Habee, a woman President could be cool, at least Hillary would have been better than Obama.

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          JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          So why didn't Hillary resign and challenge him? I can see no reason why she shouldn't be able to clean his clock.
          
          I will tell you exactly why. You don't...and I really mean don't ...do something like that in the Democrat party. Whoever your leader is you bite your tongue and put up with whatever.
          
          Later on it might come with actual physical punishments. They are certainly headed that way.

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             Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I think that the Clintons want to run Hillary against Romney in 2016.  That is why Bill is subtly demeaning Obama's campaign.

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                American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                RB,
                
                that is an intersting thought, but I think she has missed her time, she will be 69 or 70 then and I am not sure she would do it. That job is tough on an older person.

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                JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Oh there is no love at all lost there and I have a hub I need to publish on the subject. It will include also the member of another powerful Democrat family who recently passed away. The lion sleeps tonight.

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    Longhunterposted 12 years ago

    I wouldn't a have problem at all voting for a Conservative that just happens to be black. Barack Hussein Obama's idiocy isn't due to the color of his skin but rather his ideology.
    
    Hugo is about to kick the bucket. Perhaps Obama should head down there. He could become "El Presidente" for life and his ideology would fit much better there.

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    Xenonlitposted 12 years ago

    The right wing and republican party have lied so much and have played the racist card so many times that people are getting sick of it. This is especially because the Republican party and the right wing got us into this mess, is lying about it still, and has no plan whatsoever to get us out of it.
    
    Giving the rich more tax breaks, starting the wars on women and people of color, sucking up to the extremist fringe minority and being the most cowardly chicken hawks of all time is not good news for the right or for conservatives.

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       Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, and democrats are so honest and benevolent. 

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       Longhunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       How can one person be so wrong but beautiful? Nice smile.
       
       Xenonlit, I'm a Conservative and I've NEVER played the race card. I've had it dealt to me a few times simply because I don't agree with nor support Barack Obama but I can assure you it has nothing to do with his skin color.
       
       I've come to understand some Dems and Liberals use the "race card" when they have nothing else to say. They can't debate so they throw it out in an effort to stymy the other person. It doesn't work with me. I'm not a racist simply because I think and say Barack Hussein Obama is a horrible president. His supporters may not like it but that's their problem. It is my opinion.
       
       When it comes to the economic problems we're facing, there's certainly enough blame to go around on both sides of the aisle. One must open their eyes past skin color to see them though and also to the fact the Dems and Obama have only exacerbated the problem. Keep in mind I'm not that thrilled with the other side either.
       
       Now, I sincerely hope you won't consider me a racist simply because I don't agree with you or Obama. From reading your profile, I get the impression you're much smarter than that.

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          Dr Billy Kiddposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Fox nonsense aside, show me some expert economic data where Obama has messed up the economy. Bush had the first stimulus package and that saved the U.S. from a banking system collapse. And the second package, much of which was paid back, got 2 million jobs to keep from being lossed. Otherwise, Obama has downsized the federal government. The data say that there a 1.3% fewerpeople employed by the U.S. than before 2009. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/ … ment-jobs/
          
          I don't really care myself. We ar at the point in the history of Rome where the Praetorian Guard, the Emperor's body guards, sold the office of the Emperior to the highest bidder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetorian_Guard 
          
          So, when Sheldon Adelson says he'll spend $100 million for a Romney victory, as Forturne reported today, you know that issues about having a democracy are moot. It's been a plutocracy since the Supreme Court declared it one last year, where corporations are now people and can give unlimited donatios.
          
          I don't have a beef with anyone on this. It's just the way empires go. And I think you're that way too. You'd probably just like to see a little more truth in an informed discussion. I'm trying ... but you can call me anything you want!!!! I have no skin in this game.

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       JSChamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Hey show me with a link one example of who has played the racist card.
       Ok? Ok.

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       American Viewposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I do not have a lot of time to pull the ones fro Reid and Pelosi but here is one real quick
       
       
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZcnGEWL28

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    Rhonda D Johnsonposted 12 years ago

    Speaking of Bush, is anybody saying it will be harder for another white president after he messed the economy up?  I added up all the years we have been in either a depression or a  recession and since the panic of 1797, we have been in either for one third of the time.  That is not very good performance but no one is blaming the whiteness of those presidents.    Obama has done a great job, btw.  Any president who truly represents the people in a government run by billionaires is fighting an up hill battle.

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    habeeposted 12 years ago

    It's true, LH - some members of ALL sides use the race card when it comes in handy. Race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. should have no part in who we choose as our leaders.

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    Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago

    Might as well have bailed out Bernie Madoff, wouldn't you say?

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    phionposted 12 years ago

    The amount of people that really care about skin instead of person’s mettle, are too few to make a difference. A great black man will be president one day. Everyone was so transfixed with Obama being the first one; they didn’t look past his slick words or skin. It’s a shame what he has done with his time, because many American’s had high hopes for him. He definitely won’t get reelected.

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