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So Jesus is not coming back or never left? He's all of the downtrodden not the individual he was originally?
He's not in those who are doing well?
I guess I should have said that he's everyone, not just the downtrodden.
V Veasey...why do you insist on nitpicking? you appear to be trying to start an argument. that accomplishes nothing you know
You call it nitpicking. I call it trying to understand what commenters are saying and why they're saying it.
By your definition you could say that the topic of this question is nitpicking
I think you are doing a great job Weasey. I raised this with a priest last night and it led to great discussion. Will we see a face we recognize? All Christians should ask this question of each other and ourselves. HInt: there is no right answer.
I appreciate Open-minded People like you.
You're right every christian should be open to that question
and willing to discuss it.
There may not be a right answer to it
But there is a true answer
Weasey, Our relationship with Christ is so personal, and as you say subjective, that I think truth will be of the "for me" variety. At least that is what I want my catechism class to respond on Sunday.
interesting that you say "my Jesus" does everyone have their own Jesus?
If so which one is the real Jesus?
I thought there was only one Jesus
Weasey, have you ever been in love? Especially new love. What you see in your special someone is all yours. It is a highly personal relationship, unique to you and them. Then you wed. and the someone becomes "yours" in a way they are not to others.
So you seem to be saying that believers "see" Jesus subjectively, is that what you're saying?
Weasey that is kind of a simplistic label. So I will be simplistic in return. Love is subjective. Christ is Love. If we do not see in Love we do not see that which is Christ.
I'm a simple kind of guy.
just trying to understand the example you used to convey your meaning.
If love is personal and different for each person. isn't that subjective rather than objective?
Why the need to fit Love into a tangible category? It is not of the empirical senses. So how real it is, depends on the person. Is it real? Yes. So in some sense it is objective but not like a dog. More like temperature. So we "know" Christ.
Interesting mental picture
especially since when Jesus was alive there were those who doubted he was the messiah.
"Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?" John 7:41 King James Version
In proper context, the Jews concluded that he could not be the Messiah because they thought He was born in Galilee, but if they examined the matter a little farther, they would have found that Jesus Christ was born exactly as prophesied in Bethlehem.
vveasey- I have no doubt when Jesus comes back people will doubt it. People are great at putting Jesus in a box, as in, He has to look a certain way, be from a certain place or agree with their assumptions of religion and politics. I agree that those
What is faith to you? And how does that lead you to knowing who he is?
Is it possible that Jesus could have more than one incarnation ?
Brayan22, look over your shoulder or into the face of a child. Jesus is there already. Ascension and heaven are not prisons. He does not need a passport to return on the next flight. He is here in love.
You say "the clouds parting and Jesus coming to get his children?"
Is he living in the clouds or hidden by the clouds?
Jesus is in Heaven seated at the right hand of God the father.
is heaven in the clouds?
Heaven is not a place. It is a realm beyond human comprehension.
If that's true that heaven is beyond human comprehension how can you comprehend that Jesus that is seated at the right hand of God the father in heaven?
And what do "the clouds parting" have to with it?
It would be much easier for you to study the New Testament my friend.
I have studied it that why I'm asking the questions but if you don't want to answer or have a problem with my questions, no problem don't answer
No my friend, I don't have a problem answering your questions.
v veasey, its called faith. the kingdom of heaven is within us. without faith it is impossible to understand or believe GOD.