Do you trust the Lord?
The Bble asks a person to trust in the Lord with all of your heart and through all understanding. What do you think about that?
"Thinking" about that, one would easily reject it as nonsense. Believing might produce different results.
trust the lord... sounds like good advice, something to be thought about for sure and in time, with evidence, trust builds until it becomes a belief. Better are the purposes of our hearts than the ones in our heads.
Ya just can't come out and say, trust the Lord like some switch people turn on and it works, trust is something that grows, like faith; you can't have trust without faith. Many of the components of christianity work together, for instance, Love the Lord your God.. is not an automatic command, love takes time, its built on trust, strengthened through experience, this is why God insists on having a relationship with His people. Ya can't love someone you do not know. And you won't keep their ordinances if you are just operating out of duty. Love is the glue that binds and in that binding love there is trust.Evidence, this I'm still waiting for. Purpose, what purpose has your God in your mind given you?
For trust, you must have dialogue and direction and if those two things happen then to trust and obey you have given up free will. You become a puppet. Is that what you think God wants?
Relationship? God insists on having a relationship?He doesn't even make himself available or provable.
And you can't love someone who is not there and you can't know. You do realize all this happens in your own mind.You might as well stop following me around like a puppet. There is not way to sugar coat this for you, so i won't.
You are completely ignorant about what you say. You don't understand and you have no room for understanding. You are a locked door and there just is no key. Everything you type is nonsense, unchristian and of the devil, sensual, earthy and heathen. Do yourself a favor before you become completely insane and find something valuable to do with the time you waste here making yourself appear boorish.
Good luck with this, you are gonna need it. I am through trying to get through to you. I'm sorry.Oh boy, I guess I touched a nerve.
All I did was ask a few questions?
Me = Puppet? No, I think for myself.
Me = Ignorant about what I say? No, I am ignorant about a great many things, but not of the things I say.
Me = Don't understand? No, I understand you're angry because you expect everyone to agree with you and I don't.
Me = Nonsense? Nonsense.
Me = Unchristian? Yes and from this post I can see you struggle with this as well.
Me = devil? No, I'm a pretty good guy who doesn't like people spouting nonsense.
Me = sensual? Sometimes, at least I'm honest about it.
Me = earthy? Yes, I'm realistic.
Me = heathen? check.
Me = appears boorish? Is that what you call everyone who doesn't agree with you?
You = sorry? I don't think so.Hello BO. You are fascinating. Do you ever wonder how incredibly at odds you are with the whole concept of following in the footsteps of Christ? That post is over the top of hateful.
What are you? Are you part of a particular sect which specialized in training its adherents in anti social banter, or do you make this all up as you go along. I've run across haughty Christians before, but you definitely set a new bar to pass under here.Are you feeling the Christian "brotherly" love, Rad Man?
Notice how the Christian continues to contradict themselves. So much for Christian love.
Trust in Him with all my heart....lean not unto my own understanding.......acknowledge Him in all my ways.........?
No, I'm sure that I do not, not to the extent that I should. Being the imperfect human that I am, and the Christian who still has much to learn, that I am. But I want to! And I'm trying to.
I think it's an awesome verse, just as each verse is in the Holy Book. And I think it's something to strive for indeed! I know that He is the ONLY Being who IS worthy of all my trust. With each study of each principle in the Bible, and with His help, we step closer and closer to Him each day, until the time comes when we will be in His very presence. That is such an awesome thing!
Me personally...........when I pray, I often pray for wisdom. The Word says it will be given to me. I think........I will have to keep praying for more of that until I die! lol. But yep I'll do it.It is hard for me to trust someone that says one thing and does another. Lord, God, Allah, or whatever he might be called, says to "love everyone" and yet he commands to kill those that are homosexual or says white people are superior to colored people. As a woman I cannot trust someone that says I am dirty because I menstruate and tells me to submit to a male. I only trust those that proof to me that they deserve my trust. The gods out there hate women and minorities so I do not trust them a bit.
Actually, the Gods hate no one for they don't exist. The writers of the holy books and the people who worship the holy books either hate homosexuals and women or are completely ignorant. The OT is nothing but propaganda designed to give Jewish men a sense of entitlement.
We might have more luck keeping proselytizing out of all the other sub-forums if we didn't bring reverse proselytizing into the "Christian living" sub-forum.
If proselytizing is converting, then I don't think brotheryochanan is trying to proselytize anybody. In order to proselytize someone you must be open to what another person is saying and try not to use words against them such as "nonsense, unchristian and of the devil." For, we must be open to what other people are truly saying by discussing things in an open-ended fashion.
Also, does it truly take a relationship in order to build trust? Do you trust your bank because they are a bank or do you trust them because you always have dialogue and direction with them? Do you trust the store you get your food from because you have a relationship with your food that comes from that store or do you trust them because you always have dialogue and direction with the people at that store?All very good points. You make perfect sense, one doesn't need to have a relationship to trust.
I didn't say he was. He is trying to discuss an aspect of Christian living. Which is irrelevant, I should think, to anyone not trying to live in that manner.
Before I read the other posts I want to respond to the OP.
OP) The Bble asks a person to trust in the Lord with all of your heart and through all understanding. What do you think about that?
A) One thing one must comprehend is a "lord" is a governor and everyone is governed by what they comprehend or their lack of comprehension that causes them to submit to the will of others. When one is a philosophy {lover of wisdom willing to pay any price for it} wisdom is their lord which forces one to objectively break any rules necessary to obtain wisdom, that's "trusting in the lord with one's everything" as Solomon suggested. On the other hand, when one has accepted the conditioning by parents, religion, government schools and other to the extent that they have no love for wisdom, it becomes their responsibility to submit to those who have captured their minds.TheONatureBoy, thanks for responding with such an inquisitive mind and thinking about the question so deep. It is much appreciated. Do you think you are more on the side of having lots of wisdom or having lots of knowledge?
Marie Alana,
I'm a philosophy, as my post defined, which makes me have more knowledge for which I'm paying the price to obtain the wisdom of. Before one is able to even seek wisdom they must have a knowledge which makes them inquisitive enough to seek the purpose of it. Wisdom is the explanation of cause and effects of knowledge which can only be obtained when one is objective.
Few people know the term man means mind able to comprehend all things and why Adam was told eat not from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, it would prevent objectivity disallowing man's comprehend all things. That's also why John 1:1-3 says everything wad was made by a "verbal means of explaining" {word} able to dwell in our flesh and live among woman {woven from man and unable to comprehend because of the knowledge of good and evil}.Say what?
John 1 says no such thing.
Are you confused about the particular book, or just confused about everything?The term word means a verbal means of explaining, or don't you know? If everything was made by the word it was made with a verbal means of explaining and, according to Jesus (John 14:12), we are to exceed the abilities he demonstrated, therefore, once we are born again with testimony of our conception, gestation, trivial, birth, childhood, adolescence and adulthood, if there be any, then we man will be living among woman who haven't been reborn.
You're not being clear at all.
What does that last line mean?
Are you saying "woman" (women) haven't been reborn when they accept Christ?There are not a lots of words that should not be said, mankind is one such word, the term for our specie is man[/b]. Because the supposed maker of man called both genders man in Genesis 1:26-28 and again in Genesis 5:1-2, when Adam said "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" he was renaming himself, her and all of their descendants woman. They are called daughters of man in Genesis 6 while the genesis 1 man are called sons of god. The genders of man should not be called female {the price paid to man}/male {meaning man} nor man {mind able to comprehend all things}/woman {woven from man} but boys {sperm producers of man}/girls {egg producers of man} and our prepubescent children called {man-child(ren)} like deer are called buck, doe and off-springs fawn.
If people would seek to understand the book instead of just pronouncing the words they may well have come up with that understanding but they are not weaned from the milk {teachings of religions} and drawn from the breast {teachers of religion} (Isaiah 29:9) causing them to only believe what they're told rather than finding substance and evidence (Hebrews 11:1) to show what it means.LOL
Wow.
The word "mankind" shouldn't be said, eh?!
Mankind
Mankind
Mankind.
I've said it 3 times and said it before this.
My bible says it at least 6 times.
It means, foremost, all humans.
The Bible also says "womankind" in one place. And that's simply to make a distinction between male and female in that verse. We are not two separate species. We are just two different genders. I have no problem knowing that I am a woman, but that I am also a part of mankind.
And indeed the word "mankind" is in the New Testament as well, so I find your hint about the "meat" and "milk" to be insulting. I suppose the Apostles would as well, since the term mankind is found in their writings. Surely you don't think THEY weren't learned and wise enough to still be on the "milk" instead of the "meat"!?
I'm sorry, but I find your reasoning to be confused. Perhaps some liberals might want to say that the term "mankind" is wrong, but indeed those of us who can read the Bible in its simplicity (instead of making it complicated) know the difference between men and women while at the same time realizing that we are all a part of mankind.
And with that.........I hope to resist the temptation to keep discussing with you! Anyone who says a certain term shouldn't be said, and yet that term is in the Bible, then.........I have little patience to listen to their ramblings.Since you are not one of (Isaiah 28:9B, KJV) ... them that are weaned from the milk {teachings of religions}, and drawn from the breasts{religious teachers} I don't expect anything better from you. You are like Adan, told not to eat the knowledge of god and evil and that's just what he did, you are perpetuating his actions as a naked {ignorant} one. lol
Maybe you should get a Bible the most closest to the script they were translated from, the old KJV, and if you can understand the wording you could be made one of the wise (Daniel 12:10). Resist the temptation, why don't you? lolActually, I would love to have a copy of that book. Maybe I'll get one someday. However, I'm not sure I could read it anymore than you can! (at least, than you seem to be able to!) LOL. Because I'm sure there's no difference in interpretation from the old one to the one I read; and your interpretation certainly leaves much to be desired!
For instance, that Isaiah passage clearly shows sarcasm. It's either a quote of those men who thought they knew it all and therefore felt they didn't need to keep hearing the prophet's warnings, or else it's a judgement from the prophet who saw that they didn't even tolerate the "milk" of the Word and therefore most certainly weren't able to handle the meat of it. If you'll read the preceding passages, the prophet Isaiah is telling them they should straighten up and fly right instead of getting bored and resorting to drunkenness. They were drunk on pride and on wine.
It's rather like the passage where Paul scolds men about their pride in thinking the word of God came only to them and not to women.You don't have to "get a copy" of it, most of the test is in the online version with a minimum of alterations.
You are correct in most of what you said except For instance, that Isaiah passage clearly shows sarcasm, is pronounces certain facts that's neither a judgment nor warning, just a fact.
Milk is something for babies and children dependent on their biological parent, the mother, and once weaned it's suppose to fend for itself from the self-reproducing environment. However, civilization has changed all of that and allow their dependent children to drink the milk of something other than their parents . Thus, that prophecy is saying religious teachings and teachers are not feeding from their own strong meat experiences but from the milk they are still nursing from themselves. That means it doesn't have much nourishment for its receivers.
The "word of what's called god" does come to woman [minds unable to comprehend all things} since they don't have open ears to hear it like man {minds able to comprehend all things} do and is why Paul also said "woman are not to speak in the congregation," not because of gender since some of both genders are woman, but because they can not comprehend those spoken words, it's foreign to them or, as Isaiah said, it sounds like... another tongue will he speak to this people (28:9).Arrgh. LOL
Nope, some of both genders are not woman.
And no that's not why Paul said women were to be silent at that time (actually, he said keep silence, not silent, but I'm not gonna go there right now, 'cause I'm pretty sure we'd butt heads on that one too.)We agree Paul didn't mean it the way I said it but the spirit meant it that way. Many times the spirit say thing through woman based on their trend of though but the wise hear what the spirit say and not what the words say. Jesus often said He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith as in Matthew 11:15 and all through Revelation 2.
Then he didn't mean it the way you said. Since Paul didn't ascend like Jesus I would say he was woman. As a matter of fact, only Enoch, Melchizedek, Moses, Elijah and Yoshua {Jesus} the anointed would I call man, the rest the Bible say discarnated would be woman.
Tell that to a real man.
Not some man who wants to be a woman, but to a regular man.
Tell him he's "woman".
You'll probably either get slapped or royally chewed out. LOL.
Paul would've set you straight on that too, I'm sure. As would Jesus. And the others, yes, even those who were "translated" without physically dying would've told you that there are two different genders in the human species.
You can't even feasibly interpret that in a spiritual way, as you so feebly are trying to. It just doesn't fit, and it doesn't ring true, and it isn't Biblical.
Ignorance is the main reason people get angry when the truth is revealed, instinctively they know truth but their conditioned mind will not allow them to accept it, therefore they become angry at the one revealing what's hidden under their conditioned minds. The truth hurts everyone attempting to keep the error alive under what they are conditioned to believe, I didn't just invent it, I've seen it in myself but as soon as I became objective enough to ponder it I lost my anger at who revealed it and became angry at myself for not being open to it. Just another of existence's means of causing us to reap what we sow, when we were in the place of the angry person we became angry at the one revealing it so now that we're in the revealer's position others we are angry at us.
Yet, when I hear or read your so-called religious truths, I find myself laughing uncontrollably, instinctively.
Nothing wrong with that, A Troubled Man, but becoming angry because one has accepted their social conditioning over what's in their subconsciousness and wanting to harm others because of it does.
Sorry, but you're in the wrong arena, no one here is angry other than the believers who have been conditioned... indoctrinated.
I didn't say any here were angry, A Troubled Man, I only said becoming angry because one has accepted their social conditioning over what's in their subconsciousness and wanting to harm others because of it does has something amiss in such person(s).
Troubled,
I have no desire to harm anyone, what gives you the idea I would? I accepts anyone with whatever view they have, but I will share my views if they will listen.Are these not your words?
It gave me the idea you now query.
No, Troubled, those are not my words, I never used the term query in any post.
Then, if not your words, from where did you copy and paste them? And, why would you use them here even if they weren't your words?
Sorry, Trouble Man, I find no post except the one you just replied to where I used query, I never even new its definition before your post asking was those my words. Somehow you got my post mixed with someone else's.
I'm not talking about the word query, I was talking about YOUR words that YOU did indeed post.
Will you post them so I can know what or where they were not posted, please!
I've quoted them a couple of times already. How many more times do you need me to do that?
I'm at a lost as to what you are even talking about, therefore don't know why you ever posted to me Why would you want to harm others?
I would like to know where I brought up harming anyone, even anger at them.
Are you sure? Brenda, are you just saying this or have you looked it up to make sure your memory is just not remembering wrong?
Maybe I'm just confused about what he means.
John 1: 1-3 says this-------
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."
How does that translate to some projected difference between its effects on men as opposed to women? Women are a part of "mankind".
And the term "man" simply means an adult male human being. I'd like to know from what source the poster thinks it means "mind able to comprehend all things". Wouldn't you like to know too?
And why does he leave out the Spirit and the name Jesus instead of saying it's all verbal? Because that is what John 1 is about----who Jesus is. He is the Word in the flesh. Yet that Word is Spirit of course just as God is Spirit, because Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are manifestations of the same Being.Look at Genesis 1:26-28 and 5:1-2, boys {males} and girls {females} were called "man" in Genesis 1 and called "Adam" in Genesis 5, the single person called Adam renamed both genders woven from man after the operation he assumed had happened after he awoke from his dream of it happening.
Proverbs 1:5 reads Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding so are you being led by the Lord in your reading of the Bible or just leaning on your own understanding, Brenda?Eh...
I myself said that "mankind" includes women. There is no such thing as "mankind" and "womankind". The group of humans (mankind) includes men and women.
LOLOL
I'm simply trying to understand YOUR train of thought here, so that maybe we can discuss. Me being led by the Lord in the understanding of the Bible isn't the question here.
Please explain clearly so that I don't lose patience. Unless of course you don't wish to discuss with me. Which is fine too.Forgive me, Brenda, this is a public house computer and someone wanted to do something and closed me out before I sent you my beginning answer to this.
In Genesis 1 man, both boys and girls, were made on day 6 {due to the cycle they were coming out of the spiritual civilization (Rev. 21) where they didn't didn't recognize their bodies (v. 4) and no sun (v. 23) requiring 6000 years to learn to eat and reproduce, the first 8 verses was an all-in-one rapture} after everything else was produced. Chapter 2 has a single person formed from the dust before plants grew and the birds and animals were formed from the earth like the man. Only after naming the animals was another gender formed by an operation on the first which gives us no genders because in chapters 1 & 5 both genders were called man and Adam, respectively. Thus, we can presume boys were the story tellers who exalt themselves while ignoring a help meet is an equal.
Mankind is a term man devised because boys chose to call themselves by the specie's name while belittling girls as woven from them although there was never an operation. The person supposed operated on went to sleep thinking how it would like to live in groups and mate like the birds and animals it saw while naming them. During the sleep it dreamed of an operation and awoke to another man's presence. However, because both genders were already called man/Adam when it renamed the new presence he was actually renaming the state they would be in compared to the man in chapter 1, unable to comprehend all things because they would loose their objectivity once they ate from the Knowledge Of Good and Evil.
Biblical evidence of that is Chapter one's man were called sons of god while chapter two's were called daughters of man at the beginning of our ignorant mentality encompassing the globe (6:1-4). Adam, Eve and their descendant were ignorant {naked} without the dominion abilities Jesus supposedly demonstrated but 6:4 say they all obtained those abilities as There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of [man], and they bare children to them, the same became mighty [man] which were of old, [man] of renown indicates. The flood of ignorance was not water like Revelation's flood in 12:15. You will notice woman's {that woman and her child both are actually the second messiah, the child is her new birth} child is called man child which means both genders are to be called man with boys {sperm producers} and girls {egg producers} our genders
I hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.
I trust, I love, I know in the very core of my being, I believe.
All4Jesus, I would like to read about the very core of your being, will you post it, please?
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