evilution...(evolution) :)
should a person still be considered a christian if he or she believes in evilution (evolution?)?
God created everything, not some big bang theory. just a little over 6000 years ago, not millions. just my thoughts.
Only the death of Jesus on the cross can make someone a Christian. God does not require that our doctrine be perfect, because he accepted His Son as a Perfect Sacrifice.
Only Jesus gets to decide who's a Christian, and I, for one, am grateful that my wrong opinions and understanding of the Bible are weaker than His blood.
I suspect, when I get to Heaven, Jesus will not ask my opinion on who He should let in.Hey BDaz (hugs)
I agree. I really don't think God cares at all whether or not a person believes in evolution. Though I can never really understand why it is even an issue with creationsist.
I for one, am perfectly comfortable if not completely satisfied with God being the one who snapped is Almighty fingers and made a boom! I lump it with, "how the hell am I supposed to know."
I am pretty sure I can be absolutly certain that God really don't care if I come to believe that he created the Universe through the Big Bang. Anyways at this point, the theory could change and when it does then I will stay, "yeah sure, it came to be by some force that we are incapable of understanding, just theory left to our imaginations.
I think it is pretty cool, and besides if we are wrong then I would imagine God is getting a good laugh.
This comes from working through the genealogy in the bible. Assuming a few 800-year-olds
I haven't read the genealogy hence did you mean that it is mentioned in the bible that creation took place "6000" years back. I didn't get the second part about 800 year olds either
If you work backwards though the "Adam begot Cain and Abel, begot...."
And assuming Adam was 800 years old (like it says) you come up with around 6,000 years for the age of the earth.
I know.................
http://www.independencebaptist.org/News … %20Old.htmThanks for clarifying this for me. I am not sure if lots of people believe in this literally
I don't know how anyone could literally believe this but yet they do. I suppose aborigonese didn't cout as humans. lol
Another convenience based myt..crap. dont you know that noah loaded revitalized the earth with the animals he loaded onto the boat? It is written so it has to be a fact...I mean, come on!
This revitalization business is actually a new one on me. Who knew?
Wat a jouneyman anyway?
And this explains how your god "revitalized the earth"
Wat a fossile?
For the 1000th time, I would like to clear up a few myths about evolution.
It has nothing to do with the Big Bang Theory.
It has nothing to do with abiogenesis, the creation of life. Darwin clearly stated that - Make Money's article is on the right track with that.
No such claims have been made, yet they seem to get tacked on by creationists, as a feeble attempt at burning strawmen.
Evolution explains 'how,' as for the 'why?'.......different question!I have tried to explain this -
Ignorance is not an excuse
They are not interested. Education will be the death of religion. Not in my lifetime I suspect, but when it is gone we will have one less thing to start wars overI like that
And if you are in the mood for some more procrastination, take a look at this one -
Atheism Rules !
You were not here for these - this one has it's own page rank and I think is the longest thread on hubpages except for one that was started to have a long thread
You can smell the fear. Don't be afraid - the truth will set you free.What fear? I fear the LORD. And you should too. But that's only my opinion.
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Tell you what - you fear all the magical, invisible super beings you want and stop telling me what I should do.
I care not one whit for your worthless opinion of what I should be doing. In fact, this is a perfect example of why people are getting sick and tired of religion.............. That is the bit that I cannot understand - why fear the Lord. He taught peace, tolerance and compassion. Only my opinion!
Duly noted mommy dearest.... Thanks! Your personal attacks brighten my day.
I find that you never had your own creative opinion when you make remarks on forums. No... can't find any. But I do see you picking on other hubbers, attacking them and making pointless attacks and outline criticism. When have you ever had a truly original idea? Got an opinion on the topic, or are you just conserving brain power for future use?Since you like to be my teacher:
It is SUN not son!
I once again disagree with you. There are original ideas, opinions, and writings.
Now I see why you don't have too many.
LondonGirl, did I mention to you, that you brighten my day. I find you... well very brightening! Thanks for the smiles. How is Isaak? Is that his name? He sure is a cute fella.Yeah, I missed that one. I guess I was being too literal. Cheers!
Whoever wrote right after trying to quote me.... Wrote in between the quote signs, making it look like I said all that stuff above. Part of that is mine and part of it is.....AH Journeyman(sp) my PUNCTUATIONAL SPELLING TUTOR!!! Wanna swap lessons mate?
Looks like it, Mr Keely
What part of evolution would change God? Does it change Jesus' sacrifice? No. No it doesn't. Believing in a process in how things change to suite their environments as a means for our survival doesn't discredit God.
A person can believe that God is looking out and making sure we survive by means of evolution. What we cannot do for ourselves, I am sure that God does for us and if that means is evolution, then it is what it is.
I can't just ignore some facts on accounts of what theologist believe. Besides, if believing in evolution as God's solution to our adaptation to survive in this life, and "faith" and a belief in God to survive our very spirit for whatever comes next...then for me, all credit goes to a God that is always looking out.
I can't find a shred of deception in it. And also, how can a person lie if they are speaking what they "know" or "believe" to be the truth?
I don't call atheist liars, I don't call Christians liars, I don't call Buddhist liars and so on and so forth. Just because a persons personal beliefs are different from yours doesn't make everyone else a liar.
It makes us humans doing the best we can with what we are given and accepting the things that bring us inner peace.The joys of Christian 'in' jokes.
LOL...come on Sulfi, surely you know what a Calvinist is
I hate that religions feel like clubs...you get as many people to join so you can beat the other ones in the end....sort of a sad concept. Given, I am religious, but regardless I don't view it as a cult-club of individuals. Frankly, whoever is a Christian is a christian, so on and so forth...
A lie?
No. It is making a statement of recorded scientific facts. Evolution makes it pretty clear that there IS NO GOD.
I am certainly laughing at you and your made up scary monster under the bed.
Using scare tactics to frighten people into believing some bronze age fairy tale is sooo middle ages, darling.
The burden of proof is in your court actually. So go right ahead.
Any time.
Waiting.
Now would be good.
Whenever.
A fact or two would be good.....
I am well aware that it is logically impossible to prove the non-existence of something, so I don't see how I can do anything other than I am doing.
You are the one saying something invisible exists. But you feel no burden of proof?
Shouting at me because I do not share your beliefs is not really helping either.Stop SHOUTING, and use the bb code for emphasis
But still, you are avoiding the question of the burden of proof.
And what happened to your argument that what you are seeing is the TEMPERATURE?
I am still waiting for you to prove that FSM does not exist.
Oliver! I never even heard about Oliver the humanzee (?) until yesterday. I gotta say, although there isn't anything conclusive about Oliver... there cross breeding is a fact it can happen and has happened.
I was a little disapointed to find out that this is true since on here people kept saying that it is impossible. Yet it is, example, a mule. Oliver is something else! His DNA is not 46 like humans, and it isn't 48 like the chimp...nope, Oliver has 47.
Oliver wanted to mount his human owner not another chimp, he also acted human, didn't need to be trained how to stand upright, how to use the bathroom etc.. like the other chimps. Plus look at his face.
Evolution happens. Cross breeding happens and while the u.s will not tell you it happened, a bovine was successfully cross bread with a human and then the baby was euthenized because they weren't sure what to do with it since it was closer to human than to a cow.
Mr. Loyola was a clever one no question. First job after subduing the locals - build a school.
Exactly, you could tell a kid that the sky is yellow for years but they eventually begin to question it when they grow up and other people tell them otherwise.
That can sort of be described as my way of thinking, at the same time as some pretty crappy times in my earlier years finding out that yours is not the only religion was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Not too bothered, unlike a lot of other things when relgion left my life I didn't exactly miss it.
This is the second religious forum thread I've come across you personally attacking forum members, it's starting to look a bit troll like I'm afraid. LondonGirl was simply pointing out a small inaccuracy, we all need to accept that online forums have a fair bit of snark and attitude in their posts (none more so than a relgious discussion) and not to take stuff like what LondonGirl said to heart.
LOL Mark, you don't seem to be tired of it, you are rather restless
It is the only thing keeping me sane. I spend all day every day watching the property markets collapse and counting how much money the govs are printing in a desperate effort to get them over-inflated again.
Arguing with religious zealots is a break for meThanks. I appreciate it
I understand what you believe. And honestly - I have no problem with that.
The problem comes from your need to tell me that I should believe it too. Not really sure what you are not getting about that, but I am quite happy to let it go if you will agree not to tell anyone what you think they should be doing in future. Deal?Again, I was not telling you what to do, my opinion isn't telling you what to do, just what i was thinking. Maybe we should look at the education question again...
LIke YOU telling jgrimes to not be saying you were angry WHEN SHE DIDN'T.....???????
Mark, Mark, Mark... take YOUR own advice. Americans have a word for people like yourself.... and too actually think people regard YOU in such a high manner.
Ever watched ANTZ? Is that where you draw your inspiration for being SO critical of everybody else, EXCEPT YOURSELF???? too funny, you are a funny, funny, man...
- jgrimes331posted 14 years ago
0Yeh; like you should be... Ah, heck far Mark you never make a mistake, assume or act ignorant or uneducated? Hmmmm...
Haven't heard any apologies out you lately. Nope! Now how is that we are suppose to care what you think or value your opinion; when you can't even be a man and face up to YOUR own mishaps now and then?
I know you don't care... But sometimes you sound like you've got a chip on shoulders? Your father bully you when you were younger? Did he make you cry Marky? Sweetie do share... you share everything else.
Still no apologies for making YOUR mistakes. I'm ready Mark- come on... You're getting to be so typical, its rather easy to predict your reaction and answers.
Was daddy a big meanie to you Marky boy? Oh by the way feel free to report me- I've reported you just now.
You just judged me. You told me what I should be doing. Very enlightening talking to you too.
Evilution. How did I ever miss this thread. I like it.
I haven't read back through the thread yet but I bet it's pissing off Mark, the high priest of atheism, peace be upon you, oh salami.Oh God, forgive me for thinking that IS TOO funny!!!!
Apparently Mark, he has read your book...
You demonstrate an ignorance and lack of understanding of the word theory, and claim that there are no facts to back up the theory of evolution. How am I attacking you for pointing that out exactly?
Clearly, you have not read or understood the theory of evolution, and you do not appear to know what the word "theory" means in a scientific context.
As to you being a christian, I make no particular distinctions between the various religions. But go ahead and announce your preference and I will see if it is worth making fun of.Now you have confused me completely.
1. You are saying that there is no proof for evolution.
This is garbage and shows that you have not taken the time to examine the millions of separate proofs and scientific tests that have been done, that rather conclusively prove evolution is an on-going process.
It also means you have not taken the time to read much of what I have written. Try this link as a start - http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/7572
2. You think that evolution is "just a theory," See above link for more information.
3. You think that a philosophical fairy tale is exactly the same as a scientific theory, despite the fact that one is a guide telling you how you should live your life with no proof, and the other is a proven scientific theory that helps to explain our origins.
4. Like the believers, you have an opinion as to what I should be doing. You know where you can stick that.
I am sticking with ignorant and uneducated, but I feel no responsibility to educate you further than I have already tried to. That is your job.
Was that a rant? I think it qualifies as a rant! ***gives Pest a standing ovation and wipes a tear and chokes.... **** "Bravo!"
LOL... It's not THAT bad. Sometimes.
deja vu
http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=59&c=17
http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=121&c=16
http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=24&c=9
http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=35&c=9
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing-05.htm
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/how-the-pyra … -built.htm
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ac_update.htmHi Jesus Saves
No worries. I did actually find the Red Sea stuff very interesting. I love exploring the history behind the Bible, such as reasons for the Plagues of Egypt and the Red Sea crossing. Only a personal opinion, but I like the idea that the Great Flood was when the whole Mediterranean Basin flooded, surely a cataclysmic event for anybody living there at the time. For me, that is an area where science and religion can meet halfway and uncover interesting things!
We will probably have to agree to disagree on the evolution - I believe that it happened and that the earth is billions of years old. As for the Big Bang and abiogenesis , the moment that life was created, that is a different story - neither of those are covered by evolution. There is certainly plenty of room for interesting debate there!
Well. I thought I would ask. I mean I would take just about anything as proof of his beliefs. Walking on water, burning bushes, voice from the heavens, moving mountains - anything.
My personal preference would be the burning chariot but beggars can't be choosersLiverpool winning the Premier League - that would be a true miracle.
Pretty sure that would make a lot of converts
BDazzler that is.
No beer,GT - I do have some Ouzo if you are interested.
No worries, GT - my liver gave up a long time ago
pssst.....I am trying to chat up Teresa, so give me a wee while
Scientific theory - A well-tested concept that explains a wide range of observations. Look it up and the truth shall set you free.
Did you even go to school?LOL - Well, I went to one of them, but we had biology classes too.
I am going with homeschooled....... And the dinosaurs were wiped out in the flood and turned into oil in a couple of hundred years by a proven scientific theory known as "rusting."
Schools only only teach what "They" want you to learn. If I tell you i went to a Christian school, you (generic you, perhaps not you personally ... or maybe so
) will immediately minimize my education. If, however, you tell me you went to a public school, I (hypothetically) would simply minimize your education. (Trust me on this, public schools suck in thousands of ways. )
Bottom line is not "are you educated" but "who educated you"? I know you understand this with your atheist activism in your attempts to remove all vestiges of Christianity and all other religious influences from society.
Part of thinking for yourself is not only asking what was said, but who said it. And trust criteria ... well that's another part of thinking for oneself.I disagree on one key point here. A good school will teach you how to learn.
And I went to a public christian school (amongst others). In England speak, a public school is a private school.
Ramen
How were the noodly appendages the other night?
Pretty good, thank you
How about yours?Awesome. You get the best veal in France.
Well, US meats is a different story, mostly extremely sad - yet there are some pleasant exceptions like Ruth Chris steakhouse
Best steak I ever had was in Idaho.
LOL It's for you to prove FSM does not exist
Proofs?
ALL YOU DO IS SHOUT RUBBISH.
Wat a jouneyman?
Wat a fossile?
Wat a proof?
Electricity is proof of god?Dude, I'm still praying for you to have water turned into wine ... God says he did, but slowly and it took several years ... But He's glad you like it.
He can be annoying like that sometimes. He hardly ever takes my suggestions about how He could do a better job running the universe!
Speaking of dribble...........I did no such thing. The great thing about these forums is that everything stays here for people to read. I have looked through our "discussion," and all I can see is you shouting at me because I cannot prove that your god does not exist.
And you have lost me completely with this new thing about acknowledging that "THOUGHT can be EVIDENCED."
And that this some how means that your invisible god therefore exists.
And that if I do not acknowledge this, that means I do not accept my own existence.
You have called me a fool and told me I ramble yet all you have done is shout and attack me.
As I said - the burden of proof is on you. Not me.
I have all the evidence I need that your invisible magical super being is a FIGMENT of your IMAGINATION. And the only place it is EVIDENCED is in your THOUGHTS.
100% lack of measurable data is good enough for me.
Plus the actions of people like you who do believe in it tend to back that up pretty well.
I am also liking the scientific proof of evolution. Pretty solid factual data that proves we were not "created" or "revitalized," which is a new one on me.Very good
FSM - for those who don't bother to read - is a Flying Spaghetti Monster, The Creator of our Universe
LOL Mark how you don't get bored with all those zealots is beyond me. Have a good hunt
LOL
No hunting. They are hunting me - it looks like.......
Patience is a virtue
and saying!
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