Why is demonic activity worse after a failed exorcism or bad things happen after
I've found in my personal life that when I get my house blessed bad things seem to happen that makes things almost unbearable. It's a common motif on programs on hauntings. Why?
Clearly your wasting your time with superstitions. Expecting only good things after an exorcism is a waste of time and that waste of time is evident by things continuing along at there marry or unmark way.
Just to clarify, the exorcism part I mentioned had nothing to do with my experience. It had to do with a blessing on the house.
No one expects to have a good life after an exorcism.
Claire, you're "demons" are in your own mind. Once you accept that, then you can work on facing them in a real way. I can tell you are waking up, you just need to realize now that it's all about what's inside that is causing the problems. I have seen demons. They aren't real. Roll your eyes and tell them to get lost. At least try it.
Replace the word demons with gods and it would be relevant to you.
That janesix, was excellent advice. It's bad enough to have to cope with the perception of demons, but when others are taking advantage of that perception it's down right wrong.
What are you doing in the angels and demons section in the forums?
You've seen demons but they aren't real?
Yes. They are a projection of your own mind. My own mind. I haven't seen one sinse I told them to GTFO and stopped believing they were real.
I believe in God. I believe in Jesus as a spiritual entity that never walked in human form. Thus I am not a real Christian. I have a mix of mainly Hindu and Christian beliefs.
I have met Shakti, Jesus,and God,and they are all real to me.So how can you believe in God but not demons? Couldn't one argue that Jesus is just in your head?
Because when I tell God to GTFO, he doesn't
Claire, it is possible it is all in my head. I can't argue with that.
But God has proven himself to me time and time again. There is no way my mind could have manufactured a few of the things that he's shown me.
I have no reason technically to believe that Jesus is real. That is purely faith.Most definitely, there are ways your mind manufactured those things, just like you tend to manufacture fabrications on these very forums.
Wow! You are a mirror reflection of what you are trying to get Claire to grasp about herself. Yet you are too convinced of your own delusion to see the reflection. Human psychology is truly perplexing.
I think Claire has had very real experiences. she could be right that demons are real, but from my experience I've never felt any life force eminating from them at all. That is one of the reasons I believe they are only projections.
I think Claire is much more awake to what is going on than any of you.Exactly like your belief in gods. You merely WANT them to be real, while choosing not to WANT the terrifying demons to be real......wishful thinking?
Ya think?! Science and reality would refute that obtuse claim. Believing in imaginary beings from ancient folklore is not what reasonable individuals would ascribe to one being awake. That would be more like a mental disconnect from reality. Awake? No.
God cannot prove anything to you unless you know Satan. How can you appreciate His goodness if you don't know Satan's evil?
What is the point of Jesus if He didn't come in the flesh?I don't believe in satan. The point of Jesus is that he literally saves us by entering into us and kick-starts our spiritual developement when we are ready. Only a perfect being can do this,and only Jesus is perfect.
And how do you spiritually develop? So you believe nothing in the Bible about Jesus is true?
I don't believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. The seven seals are the seven chakras.
You develop spiritually more as each chakra opens.Ah, you are a New Ager. Your Jesus is a counterfeit. Freemasons and New Agers believe Lucifer is responsible for enlightenment. They think they will eventually have god status.
I'm not saying this is what is happening, Claire, and right off the bat I'd like to clarify that I'm not religious, but there is a metaphysical law that applies to what you're experiencing.
Did you ever see the movie, "Field of Dreams?" In it - the man dreams of his father saying, "if you build it - they will come." "They" were the spirits of long-dead baseball players and the "it" he was to build was a baseball diamond in a cornfield. Once he built it - the ghosts of the players came and played.
What that movie demonstrated was the law of attraction. Anything you focus on - especially things that you defend against - you bring into your experience.
When you have your house blessed against unwanted entities or influence, the defense you create attracts the very thing you want to avoid.
Perhaps, instead of focusing on "stopping demons at the door," you could focus on the warm, light and loving presence of Jesus surrounding you and surrounding your home, while giving no possible attention (or thought) to the influences you want to avoid.
Like attracts like so when you're feeling scared, tentative or nervous about evil, you're creating an inroad for evil to enter. It doesn't matter if the evil is real - or just your perception of evil - either way, "if you build it - they will come."I did not have my house blessed in order to avoid evil spirits. It was to officially make Jesus the head of my house.
The one way to avoid Satan trying to destroy is to abandon one's faith in Jesus. Jesus was tormented by Satan in the wilderness and right up to the end. Was this karma? Did He do something wrong?
Claire, I once heard (I cannot quote specifics or give reference) that if you cleanse your home/space of the negative that it must be replaced with positive and if it isn't then the negative will come back even stronger. I want to say this was affiliated with some Native American beliefs but again, I cannot be sure. I just thought to mention this possibility as something you could look into for explanation or insight or at the very least, something to consider if you feel it could have relevance. Blessings to you.
In my case, it wasn't to cleanse it of negativity per se but to officially make Jesus the head of my household.
It appears that you believe their are two forces at play outside yourself. One evil and one good. It also seems that you believe the evil force is much stronger than the good. Although these forces are not outside yourself, your strongest belief, however subconscious it may be, will reign.
This could be why bad things appear to happen after.Good is stronger than evil no matter how made evil is. Jesus wrestled with the devil also. Did He attract bad karma then?
If you actually believe in demons, fairies and Santa, I'm afraid... you're going to need more than exorcism. lol
I have seen this same behavior in my family member, who insists that our dead relatives have talked to him, and that he has gone to heaven, and that he has been abducted by UFOs, and that he has psychic powers....But the more I try to point out how silly his assertions are, the more he digs in, eventually getting mad enough to want to cause me harm. This is a serious condition. Very sad.
It is SAD. So called demonic possession is just a mental aberration, a mental illness. Why is THIS THREAD still existing? If NONE of us respond to this thread, it will DIE........
Now this is really sad. And yes you heard it right at 14 minutes in "Sexually transmitted demons"
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You need to wake-up. Why shouldn't demons exist?
Why shouldn't leprechauns exist?
Why shouldn't goblins exist?
Why shouldn't minotaurs exist?
Why shouldn't chimerae exist?
Why shouldn't dragons exist?
And so on and so forth.How dare you! My tool shed is haunted by leprechauns. No, I haven't seen them personally, but I ~feel~ them and their rainbowy evil! You have to wake up and realize NO ONE'S gold is safe. I hired a drunk Irishmen to scream at them, but I think it's only attracted more.
Of course, that's the least of my problems. Don't get me started on the griffins...+1
This is the best post I've seen all day.
But seriously: Don't be daft. Hiring a drunk Irishman is OBVIOUSLY going to make the leprechaun infestation worse. You have to give the LEPRECHAUNS the whiskey. Then they'll throw the gold at you, and their rainbowy evil will be curtailed.This thread is giving ME ideas regarding writing hubs regarding the concepts of darkness in the human consciousness and one about a demonic succubus dream. Boy, this thread is giving me millions of ideas regarding writing the horror fiction with a Halloween theme!
What MORE food for ideas could I ask for? This is SOOO RICH. Demonic entities, night terrors, BRING it on!But... give away the whiskey?
you ask too much!
now to figure out how to get the drunk Irish guy outta my shed. is there a magic biblical spell for that, too?No. ... but there is a mythical recipe to make a women you think is unfaithful have a miscarriage so you can prove her guilt so that you can stone her to death. Yipee.
See numbers 5.
"drunk Irishmen"
That's like saying "tall basketball player"
or "wet rainy day"Careful what you say.
Or you'll find yourself being haunted by Irishmen.I am Irish, and he's haunted by me chatting at him all of the time.
You must be a prophet.
Perhaps they do exist? I don't know. I know goblins have been seen in my country. They are called Tkoloshe. Ancient Aliens really explains why the ancients believed in dragons, etc.
The point I'm trying to make is just because you can't conceive of something to be true does not make it untrue.
For you if you haven't seen it already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Ta8zdNxw0
Because God, loving us and caring a great deal for us, would never allow a creature dedicated to harming us to exist.
Satan was always around just like God. And it is people that allows him to exist with the free will God gave. Without Jesus we'd always be bound to sin and therefore keeping Satan alive. That is why He died for us. He liberated us from that sin. It is only with Jesus that Satan is destroyed. It doesn't seem so now but in the dimension that Jesus it is, he is already destroyed. Revelation has already happened. It just hasn't manifested itself in our dimension yet.
That would be incorrect. God is omnipotent, with the ability to destroy Satan. Satan hurts us. God loves us and does not want us hurt. Putting it together, there is no Satan (or demons); such creatures exist only in our imagination.
God has destroyed Satan but it just hasn't manifested in our dimension yet. Revelation attests to that. God destroyed Satan once our free will was taken away and the people know longer could exercise free will. It is only with Jesus that Satan could be destroyed. He, too, is a powerful being.
Are you speaking hypothetically when you say God loves us? You can't believe in God and not Satan. It's not to your advantage not to believe in Satan. It's like a country going to war not knowing what weapons and tactics they have and have no strategy or intelligence. Sitting ducks in other words.
Oh, but mental disorders are becoming better understood all the time, they are indeed true as can be observed throughout this thread and many institutions in which those disorders are treated.
Yes, we have woken up to understanding those disorders, we no longer burn people at the stake for such things.Don't throw the baby out of the bath water. It is a fact that what was once mistaken as possession really turned out to be epilepsy or Tourette syndrome. It doesn't mean that demons don't exist altogether.
There is only one reality. You have have a different perception of reality, populating it with imagined demons, devils, angels and gods, but there is still only one reality.
And that one reality must be one void of demons? How naive are you? Who's to say there isn't another reality in a parallel universe or in other dimension?
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000 succinct, OOOOUUUUUCCCCH, so right!
Fairies and Santa, yes. But Demons are real. Why? Because God is real, and He mentioned Demons in His best-seller called the Holy Bible. And you know if it's in the Bible....it must be TRUE! Somebody better get a priest---Pronto!
The bible also talks about dragons, behemoths, unicorns, griffins, leviathans ... and of course gods, spirits, magic and other supernatural fun. Not to mention all the weird mythology that did not actually happen. I mean, it's about as authentic to reality as Grimm's Fairy Tales. lol I'd rather believe in fairies.
what...you don't believe in faeries? They live in my attic.
I would never blaspheme like that! every time you say a fairy doesn't exist, a fairy murders you. my faith is strong and pure.
Finally, someone who understands. Fairy murder is on the rise. I've had to put tiny little padlocks on all of my windows. I think they ride my cat at night.
+1.000,000,000,000,000, there is NOTHING like this thread to make one so fecund with ideas to write horror fiction hubs. Hmmmmm, now WHAT shall I WRITE ABOUT................the demoniac, the haunted room with the incubus, vampiric themes, the list is so endless...........................yum, yum, yum, welcome to THE DARK SIDE...............the DARK SIDE is waiting.........waiting for us..............YOU are THE DARK SIDE..................I am THE DARK SIDE..................THE DARK SIDE is............US
YES, it so DDDDDAAAARRRK....................sssssssssssssss, he he he he he.............
HELP, HELP, it so daark, where AM I? Please, GET me OUT of here, PLLLLEEEASE, help me.......
YOU'RE with US now, YOU'RE NOW one of US....................
YESSSSS,welcome to the world of...........DARKNESS, midnight ALL YEAR 'round..................a GUEST wants to join US.............
To finish the title, "...or bad things happen after a blessing."
- Emile Rposted 11 years ago
0Please elaborate. What led you to believe your house was the victim of a demonic presence and what bad things happened after you had your house blessed?
No, my house didn't become demonically possessed but it doesn't have to be for Satan to try and make your life miserable.
I'd probably get laughed at for this but things happened to my cats. I was discussing to my mom in the car about the holy water that was poured on one of the trees on my property when I opened the garage door and the cat's head got stuck between that and a beam. She defecated everywhere and was in terrible distressed. She was saved but I was extremely traumatized.
My other cat drank some of the holy water out of the bowl. She is now missing and I'm utterly devastated. I just felt things are too much since the blessing and I almost regret having it. A few years back I suffered from night terrors and got my uncle priest to bless my room. They stopped for a week then came back worse than before. I was suicidal but fortunately my psychiatrist helped me with medication that broke the cycle of fear which make things worse.I too suffer from night terrors and sleep paralysis. These types of sleep disorders have other underlying psychological origins. I have seen many apparitions, I have been grabbed while lying in my bed. I have had "demons" share the same bed with me....spooning....while I'm completely PARALYZED AND AWAKE.
I have gotten out of my bed and fought with "demons" and on some occasions have been seriously injured. I have gone to bed and awaken the next morning on the floor...in the kitchen.
Since I live in an age of vast information, and understand that superstitions are childish and foolish, I choose to see what science can conclude about these disorders. And even if science cannot provide all the answers, at this time, there is never a need for me to default to mere folklore.Have you gotten help?
I think it's interesting that people who have lived in haunted houses also have night terrors.I think it's interesting that people who have night terrors think they live in haunted houses.
Only the deluded ones.
Night terrors are the result of mental disorders, such as PTSD. When one understands and accepts this as reality, then there is no reason to believe in silly childish ancient folklore, which is another mental illness altogether.I have never lived in a haunted house but was plagued with night terrors for many years.
It is the otherway round. He didn't say people who live in haunted hose night terrors but people with night terrors think they live in haunted houses. If yo do not think, it's good for you, but you say it in another way - satan haunts you!!
Satan will try and make those people who love Jesus' life a living misery. It has gotten to the stage where I have to pray a lot. That is what Jesus had to go through.
Just like people with night terrors say they live in a haunted house. You got something bad in your life, lo and behold satan is the cause.
And don't forget, hyper religiosity is a sign of sickness!For those who want to bury their head in sand like an ostrich!! Haunted house indeed!
No Satan required. S#@T Happens.
It may be time to check with a doctor.I have a psychiatrist because I suffer from depression. I think he would have said something if I was nuts.
Either your psychiatrist is dishonest or you have not said him that you are hallucinating satan everywhere.
So know you think I'm psychotic? Why should my psychiatrist lie? There is a big difference between hallucinating and just plain knowing that Satan exists and has huge control over human affairs.
I suppose that is why Jesus was called crazy: Because of people like you.Hallucination is not a symptom of psychosis alone. And I gave another option too, just show your forum posts to your psychiatrist and ask him what he thinks.
You "know" satan exists, then that is delusion not hallucination.
Who called that nonexistent person crazy? The accusations was that he blasphemed, wasn't it?But you are assuming I'm imagining something that isn't there. I bet you think it's arrogant when Christians say Jesus is the son of God. Well, you are doing just the same.
As a very qualified psychiatrist he would know that way out beliefs are not tantamount to psychosis or hallucinations. I believe Jesus rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. He doesn't think I'm crazy for that even though it is irrational.
You are arguing from the premises that Satan and God don't exist. Therefore we are never going to see eye to eye if you cannot even entertain the possibility they exist. We are wasting each other's time.
No I don't think they are arrogant, I think they are deceived by people who want power and money and the reason they can be deceived is because of their hope, fear and helplessness.
Mass delusion is not considered a disease but merely a religion. And it was not your belief in jesus or satan but your extrapolation to such lengths beyond the normalcy is what is said as abnormal. And if your psychiatrist is competent then either you have not told him all that you write here(simply telling 'I believe satan is responsible for all bad in my life' is not telling him all that you say here.) or he might have chose not to divulge every aspect of your illness considering your safety. I have known that even normal people who are in a bout of depression can commit suicide and he might be afraid of that.
You yourself said it is irrational. No, I am not going to admit that nonsense makes sense because of my emotions nor disease nor because somebody said it or wrote it. In short I will not just believe anyone blindly but will use my intelligence before.
Do you tell him you see demons and that Satan is responsible for all the evil in the world? Do you tell him that aliens are responsible for altering the human genetic code and that Satan is responsible for the aliens?
I'm not saying your nuts, but I do think it's time to talk to someone about all these conspiracy theories.I did tell him that my night terrors were from the devil. He didn't believe me but he did not say I was nuts to me and my family members.
Why should someone be psychotic for believing humans altered human genetic codes? Governments knows aliens exist.
Google Does the us government know aliens exist
It's laughable that you think someone is nuts just because you don't believe in something. How much research have you done into aliens?
I was watching Ancient Aliens about the Third Reich. There was a claim that the Nazis built a time machine and some of the Nazis escaped capture by using it. I laughed when I heard this but stopped myself. It is a common reaction to laugh at something when we hear it for the first time. Why shouldn't it be true? Do we know everything there is to know?I'm sure he wouldn't use the word "crazy" nor would or did I. Notice that you claim to have a totally open mind and always wonder if anything is true and yet when we tell you Satan doesn't exist you completely shut us off.
And now I'm expected to believe 65 years ago the nazi's built a time machine, but we just don't have any evidence for it.There are times when we have to entertain the possibilities when we don't know. Then there are times when we just have to state the truth even when people don't believe it. And Satan exists.
Heard of the Wunderwaffe? That is the Nazi "time machine". It's a historicallfact that the structure exists. We don't really know what it was used for. The concept of time travel is based on Einstein's theory of relativity, i.e, that there is no distinction between the past, present and future.
I wouldn't put it past those Nazi scientists to create something like that. After all, they are responsible for NASA.
And those poor Nazi scientist working on this Wunderwaffe mysteriously disappeared. They could have been done away with. I wonder what they would have exposed had they still been around after the war.There are people working on the concept of time travel even now, but they are no way near moving people through time, they are still not able to move particles through time any faster than the time gained in the fastest jet. You seem to be obsessed with conspiracies?
Conspiracies are everywhere so it isn't unreasonable for me to concentrate on them. Has it ever crossed your mind that there is advanced technology that the public doesn't know about?
Can you give me his email address so that I may point him to these forums to read your posts and ask him myself? Thanks.
Does your psychiatrist know you believe this?
Yes. Even though he doesn't agree with me that I said night terrors are from Satan, he still has not diagnosed me as crazy.
Looks like you think you are omniscient. As a psychiatrist, he is obliged to make an accurate diagnosis.
Then, he is obviously a very bad psychiatrist, probably got his credentials from a diploma mill.
Or, you simply are not telling the truth.
I suspect the latter.I am telling the truth. Not everyone who believes in Satan is psychotic and obviously a very competent psychiatrist knows that. What qualifications do you in psychiatry?
I bet you Gallileo was first called nuts for saying the earth revolves around the sun."A depressed person can have very strong impulses, thoughts, feelings and a strong urge of wanting to be dead. They have intrusive thoughts such as I wish I were dead or I should be dead. They don't feel in control of their moods, but they don't hear a voice outside of their head or see images of their own death. The thoughts of wanting to be dead feel very odd and strong, but they have not crossed over into psychosis. If you ask the person if someone outside of their mind put the thoughts there, they would be able to say no. There is a sense of ownership to the thoughts as terrible as they are. Now, if a person thinks, feels and then says that the thoughts were put in their head by Satan, you have crossed over to delusional psychosis. They have moved from the gray area into psychosis."
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Yes, by the very same people who believed as you do.There you go, you are in denial, yet the evidence is there, you even said you were severely depressed, which is pretty much the main symptom.
So basically because I suffer from depression I then must be psychotic? This is getting tiresome. Thanks for the diagnosis, doc, but I will stick to my psychiatrist.
It is better to change him, so far he was not able to free you from your symptoms (satan haunting me or nazi's had time Machine) let alone properly diagnose your case.
I assume you want to terminate all discussions with me because I cannot be reasoned with?
I'm sorry but I do not want my time to be wasted.
You are always wasting your time. From the time I have joined hubpages I am hearing the same thing from you again and again. You are not here to discuss or gain knowledge(you do not even know what logic or reason is or ignore it to justify your beliefs) but to get support for your absurd beliefs.
Careful, my comment about ATM "offended word" his time got me blocked. Luckily I only report very offensive comments.
So in order not to feed this absurdity, just ignore me.
No, the depression is simply a symptom, it is your obsession with Satan that needs to be addressed.
It's not an obsession. It's just acknowledging that Satan controls the whole world.
obsess: preoccupy or fill the mind of (someone) continually, intrusively, and to a troubling extent.
"It's just acknowledging that Satan controls the whole world."
You acknowledge that you think a non-existent evil deity control the whole world and you don't think that's obsession?If I had an obsession with Satan I would not just stop at merely talking about him. Satan wants you to believe he doesn't exist for if no one challenges him then how can he fail? I'm sorry that your mind is just too limited in that you cannot understanding beyond the physical world. You are beating a dead horse here. We are not on the same wave-length and thus corresponding is somewhat a waste of time.
Actually what Galileo said that upset the Christians was that not everything orbits the earth which what was taught at the time.
Sorry, but I disagree. Satan is not the cause for everything bad. "The devil made me do it" is a cop out for anyone that refuses to take responsibility for the actions they take of their own free will. If satan is the cause for everything bad then the believers here (including yourself) that have personally attacked others here in the name of God are actually being controlled by satan.
Just because Satan is the master of bad things does not mean one has an excuse to do evil and be absolved from responsibility. It is up to us whether we do good or bad things.
If you mean my post about ATM' post, probably you who reported me, it may be construed as a personal attack but I am sick to death of his condescending behaviour. If one cannot treat others with respect no matter how much one thinks other people's views are ridiculous then that ridicule is a wasted post. There are ways of engaging with people.To your first point, you made my point. You cannot blame satan for all the bad that happens when it os people that make the choice to do bad things of their free will. This of course works both ways
To your second no it wasn't me that reported you. Not my style. As far as you being sick of ATM, you cannot control his actions. You can only control your response.
Hmmm since you apparently said something bad, does it mean the devil made you do it since satan os to blame for everything bad?
To your second no it wasn't me that reported you. Not my style. As far as you being sick of ATM, you cannot control his actions. You can only control your response.
We do bad things but we allow Satan is use us.
I didn't do anything wrong. I said the truth but those are the Hubpages rules. You can insult the person's actions but not the person themselves. Same difference really.
It is important to know that there will never come a day on this earth when I'm pure and won't sin. Christians can do Satan's will but it is important to repent to erase that.There is a difference between telling someone that an action os stupid and telling them they are stupid. A stupid act is merely speaking of a specific moment but says nothing of the person engaging in the act. Calling a person stupid speaks of their overall character and speaks of every action taken. They are not the same
Obviously then, you are not taking your own advice.
We may treat you with respect, but we certainly don't have respect your beliefs, especially when they overstep the boundaries of the ludicrous and absurd.If you can't see that you are demeaning then that is not my problem.
Somewhat. The Veterans Hospital has seen me a few times, but I don't think they understand the severity of the problem. I'm looking elsewhere at this time.
I really don't see ANY reason to believe in ghost. That kind of thinking is not based, at all, in modern reality, but is derived from ancient folklore, by our misinformed and unlearned ancestors.Night terrors can ruin a person's life. It nearly did mine. I found that a heavy sedative broke a cycle of fear and they went away.
There is a evidence of ghosts if you investigate the paranormal. However, "logic people" will not see that as evidence mainly because they don't want to. Something extremely disturbing happened to me, my mother and another stranger. As humans we tend to look for the most logical explanation. There comes a time when there just isn't any logic in things that happen to people.That is a lie.
Events occur in our life, only the explanation is logical not events. An accident occurs, the only question is how(may be the driver slept or earthquake occured), why is pointless as there is none controlling it.Precisely! It is Medical Science....and not superstition, that will eventually provide solutions to the disorder. Thanks for understanding that.
That is not true. Logical people who want to see evidence still can't see any. I have wanted to explain away my affliction by invoking the supernatural and superstition, but, still, there is absolutely no evidence to support such claims....no matter how much I WANTED there to be.
There comes a time when one must conclude that he just doesn't know what is the cause of certain things. There is never a time when one has to embrace superstition and folklore as the answer to anything.That is not true. Have you interviewed all "logical" persons out there? I think you are not recognizing the evidence of the supernatural. How did you go about invoking the supernatural?
When I see things materialize out of the thin air then I can't help attributing that to the supernatural. And, no, it wasn't a magic show.You obviously have your own definition of the term "logical"
CONJECTURE: n. judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
It appears that you might be confusing conjecture with evidence.
I am a former Christian, and while a Christian I did what Christians do. There was never anything revealed to me, except abject nonsense, so from a scientific perspective, religion has been proven to be completely illogical and contradicts reality.
I can see no benefit in applying Medieval and Bronze age solutions to postmodern issues. It seems that you are actually trying to undermine the obvious, known, scientific studies, in lieu of ancient folklore. In my opinion, this is nothing more than wishful thinking, prompted by our indoctrination....nothing more.
In an altered state, the mind can "create" many things that seem to materialize right before our eyes, and that has been proven by science. No need for believing in the supernatural, when we have scientific proof that the mind is the manufacturer of all these illusions:
http://youtu.be/qWMn4rggYn8
That's based upon your own definition of "magic"
There is still no proof, WHATSOEVER, of the supernatural, hence, no sensible reason, WHATSOEVER, to entertain any serious belief in it.
There are several sleep disorders that can complicate life. I have experienced sleep paralysis, night terrors, and apnea. I think fear is the underlying cause. Once I learned how to manage the fear, the severity of the attacks were reduced, profoundly. I wrote two hubs about two different experiences.
I think believing in superstitions just makes the experiences more frightening, and probably even hinders relief from the afflictions.Yes, fear and stress is the cause but Satan feeds on fear. Can you give me an example of a night terror you have had?
Right, fear and stress, which are demonstrable.....but Satan appears to be nothing more than ancient folklore, and has no relevance in the diagnosis and treatment of serious sleep disorders. It does a person no good to keep believing in such primitive and fraudulent concepts.
As I said, I wrote two hubs, detailing my experiences with these disorders. One hub is about an Incubus Nightmare.
Refresh my memory.. Were you pentecostal before you became atheist?
I thought I remembered correctly that you were what I like to call a "demon chaser".
"Demon chaser" or as I prefer...uncivilized.
I thought Pentecostals called themselves God chasers. A term they used to distinguish themselves from lesser Christians.
The ones at the church I used to attend did. They believed they were God chasers and closer because They could see and destroy demons. what made it even funnier is that they spoke in tongues while they did it such as:
retymybotie (re tie my bow tie)
sematietymytie (see my tie, tie my tie)
And my personal favorite... E-G-E-L-L-O-C (College spelled backwards)I knew a guy who apparently had demons trembling before him as he threatened to cast them into the abyss in Jesus name.
Your tongues made me smile, it's so familiar.Smoke and mirrors can and do impress the gullible.
That's simple. The idea has been planted in my head from youth, through fairy tales, television, and people like you, who have insisted on having personal experiences with demons. Hence...I have dreamed of Leprechauns as well...and just like in the case of Leprechauns, there is no evidence to suggest that demons exist in reality either. It's all psychological.
Yep, totally absorbed in a medieval world of demons and dragons, etc. For us, The Twilight Zone and The Wizard Oz were real. And that's no joke.
Do these night terrors interrupt your daily life?
For a period, last year, I always dreaded bedtime, because I knew there was a good possibility that I would have a bad dream. I couldn't sleep in my bed for a couple of weeks, and when I finally did go back to sleeping in my bed, I was attacked in my sleep....the first night, so then I went back to sleeping on the sofa, in the living room, for about another week or so.
I only have occasional episodes at this time, that are not as intense--which is good. I don't know if it will stay this way though.I feel for you. When my night terrors were at its worse I dreaded seeing the sun go down. I haven't had a night terror in a long time. Sometimes I find that I put the light on in my sleep. I do that when I sense something bad. I can say, however, they are a thing of the past.
I think you should see a doctor to get a heavy tranquilizer if you feel you can't take anymore. It helped with me. The more fear builds up the more powerful the night terror and heavy sedation breaks that cycle of fear.
I hope things come right for you.Thank you. Only people who have experienced these dreams know just how traumatizing and distressing they are to the psyche and body.
Best wishes to you as well.I have a posted a thread on this issue if you wish to respond. Sleep paralysis can be psychologically devastating and demoralizing.
Hi, with some knowledge in this field. The reason why you experience it more afterwards is that "That demons don't want to lose their grip on you" so to speak. Now they must try harder to get you where you were before an exorcism. In the bible it is mentioned that if a demon is exercised he will go get more powerful demons and they will come back with a vengeance.
If you have some more detail about it I can elaborate further...Don't you people ever watch exorcism movies? It never gets better.
Just shoot 'em in the head before they unleash gory hell in your living room, cut your losses, and move on with your life.Lol.. If you could only shoot them for real. Good one though.
lol. yeah but wouldn't that end up landing you in jail though? I mean it'll be hard to convince a jury and that old judge that you shot a person because they were possessed. i guess you can make a case that you were shooting them in self defense.
lol
I have to agree with Helga. Demons get angry and irritated when they feel that you're trying to get rid of them. If they're strong, you'll need more than a house blessing. You may have to call in an exorcist to help you get rid of the evil things. There usually are organization all over the country that investigate house hauntings. You might want to do a search online, for one of these groups. I've heard that they can be very helpful and many times, have access to an exorcist...
I didn't have a blessing to drive demons out. It was done to formally make Christ the head of my household. Exorcisms are a different story. They actually demonically possess a house or person.
Well you have a couple options.
Put a ring of salt around your house as apparently demons are scared shitless of sodium chloride.
Or you could pay for an exorcist who will laugh all the way to the bank.
Or you could just grab a beer and put your feet up in front of the telly and choose to live your life based upon evidence rather than superstition.Hmm.. isn't that exactly where it comes from. The telly, after you've grabbed a beer and your feet is up. Superstition is one thing, I do agree some people can go on about something that is really out of this world. Then again... Demons are out of this world.. Oh no they're from another world.. onto this world. .. Huh, you say?. Well seeing that the Bible shares many parables about Jesus and Demons, I do not think it is so much more than superstition.
@Dissapearinghead
So you don't believe in things you can't see? Just curios...There is no need to believe in things that are undetectable. Demons are undetectable. There are some who will take advantage of a persons gullibility. Demons are undetectable superstitions, I'm with disappearinghead. Grab a beer with the money you saved from not being gullible, put your feet up and relax.
Well Rad Man, depends I guess on who is trying to detect them. It's like detecting coins on the beach using a hair dryer, that's not plugged in. Not gonna work I tell ya. To detect those creatures we call demons.. you have to be 'plugged in' to begin with. Then use the right detector. Plugged into your Faith, which ultimately means God. Then you're detector would be the Holy Spirit.
Same question to you Rad Man: "Don't you believe in anything you can't see?" and I'm really just curious...I believe in many things I can't see, air, microwaves, atoms, gravity...
All of these things are detectable. Demons are not. Claiming you can detect them is a great way of taking advantage of the gullible.
Do you take advantage of the gullible?Sorry, is that a joke? Plugged into your faith? The Holy Spirit is a detector?
You're talking about things that have never been shown to exist under any circumstances. You can't plug yourself into something that doesn't exist in the first place to detect something else that has never been shown to exist.You and I and perhaps even Helga knows that, but the gullible don't.
Yeah, people with epilepsy and other seizure disorders were once thought too bee possessed. Turns our they had a medical condition. Shouldn't the "holy spirit demon detector" have known better? You'd think an all knowing, all powerful being would recognize the difference between possession and medical illness
That was due to a lack of knowledge. How can you blame one for thinking an epileptic was possessed in the middle ages? They convulse the same way. We now know it is not demonic possession. I know with the Vatican that possible scientific reasons or psychologically reason have to be ruled out before they grant an exorcism.
Here's for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdk
You mean demons are undetectable to you?
No, they are undetectable to anything or anyone because they don't exist.
So you have investigated everyone's claims about demons since humans existed? Wow.
"We" have not, but most certainly many claims have been investigated and they have found that those who make those claims usually have mental disorders.
Yes, it is true some have mental disorders but not ALL. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Anyway, tell me what mental disorder this poor girl has?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdkNow I'm not a medical doctor, but I would guess that this poor girl had something in the spectrum of bi-polar disorder. Now if she had some knowledge of the New Testament, perhaps she (not having a proper medical diagnosis) assumed that she was demon possessed as an explanation of the "voices in her head" or however her medical condition manifested itself to her. No doubt the religious around her reinforced her beliefs. After a while she becomes so entrenched in her belief she is demon possessed that she manifests what her subconscious believes a demon possession should look like. This further reinforces the beliefs of the religious observers, and we end up with a downward spiral.
However watching some obviously mentally disturbed person thrash about, barking like a chicken and saying "I suck Satan's toes", is no evidence of demon possession or the existence of demons.Bipolar? You can't be serious! I think medication would have sorted it out. She was administered an anti-psychotic and pills for epilepsy because she convulsed but that didn't work.
What makes a mentally disturbed person speak in languages they don't understand??Nobody speaks in languages they don't know. They babble and others think it's a language that they don't understand.
So you are present with every person who supposedly babbles? There are babblers out there but how can you say all of them are?
Simple, show me one person who is speaking a language they don't know or haven't leaned the phrases they speak.
People simply can't start talking in a language they don't know.
Speaking in tongues is very simply BS.
And yes I can speak for all people, just as I can safely say no humans can fly without technological help.
Humans can't just 50 meters in the air unaided.
Humans can't run faster than a cheetah at full speed.
Humans can't speak any languages they haven't heard of, but they can babble and fool the gullible.Pay attention
I'm sure you can find a few on hp
..lolThere are documented cases of people speaking in languages they did not previously know. Edgar Cayce comes to mind as a famous example. My own son, during growth spurts, would carry on long conversations in deep sleep in a language we didn't understand. I'm afraid you don't speak for all people when you say it isn't possible. You simply voice your personal view on the topic.
Did anyone ever actually document that your son was speaking in an actual language - or did you just not understand the words that he was speaking? If so, what language was it? Did you record it and get it translated?
Speaking in tongues (at least biblically speaking) was for a very specific purpose. It allowed the apostles to proselytize to foreign persons who did not speak their native language. Most of what takes place in pentacostal churches these days is NOT biblically similar. It is babble - it is not any language known to ANYONE, and it is hardly beneficial - except to make the speaker feel special and close to god. They're not spreading the good news to anyone - because no one knows what they're saying. I know a few atheists (jerry dewitt comes to mind, and so does Dan Barker) who have since deconverted and become atheists - who can still speak in "tongues" at will.Tell me Emily, did you understand the babbling of your own son while asleep? Did you just assume his babbling was in another language? What other languages do you speak that would verify he was speaking in another language.
They can't unless they are possessed by God or Satan.
No, babbling is BS. Talking gibberish is not talking in tongues.
According to your current knowledge of the world. We are kept in the dark about many things.
But you are mixing the supernatural with earthly things. It's a bad comparison since the supernatural transcends all that is logical.I guess it's a good thing the supernatural doesn't exist, then.
No, it is you who is mixing the supernatural with earthly things, by claiming you know they exist and interact with us you are the one mixing the two. When something transcends all logic one should be more suspicious of it.
I mean you are using logic to illustrate how the supernatural cannot exist. Yes, it can manifest itself in the physical realm but it still need not be bound the laws of this earth.
Why should I be suspicious of things illogical? Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it can't POSSIBLY exist.
"Anneliese Michel - 21 September 1952 – 1 July 1976 was a German Catholic woman who was said to be possessed by demons, underwent an exorcism and died in 1976. An investigation revealed that she died from emaciation and her parents and the priests responsible were charged with negligence.
The parents and the two priests were charged, and the court case attracted much media and public attention. It has been called a misidentification of a mental illness, negligence, abuse and religious hysteria."Thanks for clearing that up ATM. It's interesting how some people jump on a sensationalist bandwagon without getting to the facts.
Have we observed Claire do anything else but?
Apparently, a number of them, including schizophrenia, the most common one associated with folks who believe in demons. She also had epilepsy.
Did you know that the Catholic Church has reversed it's decision on her and have agreed she did indeed have mental disorders? Funny, that you still believe it was demons.Schizophrenia??? And what about the various different voices and languages she spoke that she didn't even know? She was starving to death but still had the strength to scream like that.
Why did her medication not help the epilepsy?
And, truly, I do not believe the Catholic Church. They do not have a good track record when it comes to exorcisms.
As I alluded to, choose to live your live based upon evidence. There simply is no evidence for the existence of demons.
Claire, have you read anything by Gary Osborn? If you haven't i highly recommentd his website.
When did you start noticing the strangeness in the world, like the symbolism of the Olympic games? I bet it happened suddenly for you, didn't it?
I've known about the strangeness of the world for a long time.
Demons do exist. No one is so blind to the truth as the one wishing not to believe.
Question: "If you cut a tree down in the middle of a forest, does it make a noise/sound when it falls? If a tree falls in the middle of the forest but you are not there to experience it, does it still make a sound when it falls?"
To make a choice not to believe in something doesn't mean that it isn't there. If you make a choice to follow Jesus, then do it according to what the bible teaches you. And the Bible teaches you about Demons. If you don't want to believe this, then it is your choice.
@Claire, have you ever read the book by Dr. Rebecca Brown, "He came to set the captives free" If you haven't rather read that book then make up your mind if you want to believe in demons, Satan, Jesus and everything connected. Jesus and all His angels exist right? If Jesus exist, Satan and his angels does too. Ying and Yang. Doesn't exist otherwise. Nowhere...
Read that book then all your questions will be answered. Promise!Yes, of course it makes a sound, regardless of who is or isn't there to hear it.
People don't not wish to believe in demons, they understand that those who do often have mental disorders and are unable to differentiate their fantasies from reality.
The same could be said about anything one can conjure from their imaginations.The mind is a powerful thing. I think some people who cross the threshold from reality to dreamtime can bring some of this into their own reality, this tempered with beliefs can cause fears that are usually dealt with in dreams to be brought into their reality. There is a shadow side to us that we hide from ourselves because to face it is somewhat frightening. In otherwords, our demons could be another part of us that has not been acknowledged?
Then show us some irrefutable evidence that demons exist. While you're at it, show us the evidence of your invisible resurrected savior, Jesus. Oh...you can't do that...can you? It appears that it is not the non-believer who is blind after all. How utterly illogical.
Sadly it seems that you have NO evidence. OK...there goes your credibility. Right out the window.
So sorry.
Have a nice day.
Thanks Helga... Rebecca Brown's books are great.
'... Satan, Jesus and everything connected. Jesus and all His angels exist right? If Jesus exist, Satan and his angels does too. Ying and Yang. Doesn't exist otherwise. Nowhere...'
That isn't logical. Why would demons and Satan HAVE TO exist if Jesus does?Because, in Christian mythology, Satan (and his legion of angels) are the progenitors of sin. And if there is no sin, Jesus died for nothing.
By denying belief in that, you're not only going against one of the basic, pivotal cruxes of your belief system, but you're also claiming your God is impotent and had his Son!Aspect killed solely for his amusement.Some clarification. I don't think anyone considers Satan to be the progenitor of sin. He, I would think, represents temptation. Not one in the same. Plus, even if he were the progenitor of sin it wouldn't imply that Jesus died for nothing.
And, you can't tell someone they are going against a pivotal crux of their belief system if you don't know what their particular belief system is. There are many, many, many, many, many different takes on Christianity. You can't force someone into a belief they don't hold, simply for the sake of convenience.
talking in tongues is what happens wen god sends down his gift of the holy ghost to that person, when they speakin in unknown tongues that's their ghost speaking to god ,its not for you to no wats bein said unless you have more understanding gifts.word of advice please don't ever mock or dought the holy ghost ,I get to see it in works all time. talk to god and ask for understanding he will give it to you, and for exorcism if you come to our church the preacher all ready knows if the devils around or in you,and he will most of the time all depending how much faith and will power to want to be clensed .devils don't stay long round us cause we no where they at !
Anyone who speaks in tongues in a group of people are, according to the Bible, supposed to interpret their words, or else someone else is supposed to "translate" their words so that the other people can understand what's being said.
That's most of the time. I do understand that there are times when people have a form of "prayer language" that's just between them and God, but for the purposes of a group setting, there should be an interpreter. Why? Because the Bible says there should be.
What happened when the Holy Spirit fell upon the disciples was that they all spoke in tongues! They were all of one accord. But when they spoke in tongues in "church" etc. where there were people of other Nationalities there, or people who didn't understand for some reason, then an interpretation is required. AND that language (speaking in tongues) was simply processed as another earthly language! For instance, if one of the Apostles spoke in "tongues", and a person from another Nation/language was there, that person heard what the Apostle said in their own native language! Speaking in "tongues" isn't what a lot of people think it is! It was a supernatural thing that happened so that the message of the Lord would reach the ears of anyone who heard it so that they would hear it in their own language.
So, yes, it IS for "him to know"! It is specifically FOR "outsiders" to know what is said! It isn't that a person has to have more understanding! It's that a person who doesn't have the understanding is the one/ones who ARE meant to hear the interpretation! It is for their benefit, not for the one who speaks in tongues.
I will find the Scriptures that back that up, if you question it.
But indeed........I might assume you've already read them?...........I am very aware of what speaking in tongues is and what it signifies biblically and in the church. I have witnessed the speaking of real and actual tongues (along with translations). What I was referring to in my statement is that there were some in that church that was speaking in false tongues such as the ones I listed above. It was the smoke and mirrors that I was seeing in this particular church that led me to join a different church
I not say that. devils is very real! .seen them but I never give devils no credit to nothing .they have hundreds of forms .they are every evil spirit you can think of out their.they walk this earth just like the bible says
You are ooo right Squeak2012, so right!
Demonic activity increases after a "house blessing" or exorcism because you have not been taught how to effectively fight and resist Satan and his demons for yourself.
"When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none.Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. "Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation." Matthew 12:43:45
The eternal power over the denomic is through the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no other name given among men under heaven through which they may be saved. Without the power of God through Jesus Christ, men are just "playing" with the demonic.
"Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.Luke 10:19
If you haven't received Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, now is the time to do so. Just tell Him you need Him personally and ask Him to come into your heart. He will save you, guide you, comfort you and teach you.....
God Bless you.....I thank you back .and if understanding is not with you all you have to do is ask with a loving heart god will lead you to understanding that lots of people don't take to heart .lord is allways my victory .I pray we all can get closer every day.i believe its his will .cause if the bible was so simple. you could read it once and know all bout it.every time I read I learn something every time and apply it to life. we all are still sippin on milk when it comes to the bible.just like babies. till we can understand all
Hah, I was going to post those exact bible passages. Very good, LeslieAdrienne.
It's all true! The power and authority in the name of Jesus Christ sends evil spirits running. Sage and holy water or anointing oil doesn't do anything. Only a person firm in their convictions of belief, who has also confessed and repented of their sins, is safe from spiritual attacks.
This will not stop evil spirits from getting other humans to try and harm a believer physically, mentally or emotionally (etc.); because when we tell Satan and his fallen angels to go away, they send evil people in their place.That's utter nonsense and completely fictitious. You know that right?
Looks like Zeus loves you!!
It is better to be loved by a god who created humans than loved by an illegitimate son who was hanged!!You wouldn't say those things about Messiah if you knew the truth. Worship of anything other than Yahweh results in being deceived, because the truth is indeed stranger than fiction. Zeus is a false god, a fallen angel, a deceiving spirit.
You wouldn't say those things about Zeus if you knew the truth. Worship of anything other than Zeus results in being deceived, because the truth is indeed stranger than fiction. Yahweh is a false god, a fallen angel, a deceiving spirit
If there is such thing as spiritual truths, there can be only one spiritual truth and all else is false. Just as with religion, not every scientific theory can be correct at the same time. Each theory has its own set of rules and conditions under which the theory is either true, or false.
Example - The cyclic universe model is not compatible with a static-infinite universe model, and neither one is compatible with a finite and expanding universe model. Two of these models in this example are wrong, and only one is right.
The same is true with spiritual truth, and if the bible is true as I believe it to be, then all else is false including "zeus".If there are spiritual truths(whatever that is) why there can be only one/ How does that becomess contradictory?
That is where we use ration and logic and evidence, so is there any?
But bible is not true, it is riddled with contradictions and falsehoods. And it is only a book written by humans, how can that be "spiritual truth"? And what is your assurance that it is not Yahweh that is not false? Zeus, Allah, Vishnu, Imhotep...... anyone among them can be true.An example of spiritual truth would be the idea of reincarnation vs the biblical idea of reward for faithful and punishment for unfaithful. Religions that purport the idea of reincarnation, are in opposition to the biblical principal of final judgment. They can't all be right.
You don't know the bible well enough to speak about how contradicting and false it is, so please, don't even try proving your position when you don't believe any spiritual things are true at all.Why not, after all bible also says that people will reincarnate to receive punishment(and more than they deserve)? And what makes bible's idea any better than any other religions? And not all religions speak of reincarnation.
I know well enough to say which are made up and which are contradictory. Man made books says nonsense and fools believe it, will that make such nonsense "spiritual"?
When you are ready, you should join reality. Then you will see just how profoundly psychotic your statement sounds. SMH.
Something that might come out of a child's mouth after watching Harry Potter. Coming from an adult?
What's psychotic about believing any of that? Explain, please.
Care to elaborate, or what? Because honestly, I think your screen name is ridiculously ironic to come here and tell me that I am delusional and psychotic.
Delusion is when an adult believe that imaginary things are real. I didn't say you are delusional, I was telling you why he said believing that was psychotic.
Screen name? That is to help the foolish Christians get away when they have no rational or logical arguments, by accusing me as from their imaginary villain.What imaginary things? Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. I have very real experiences which I base my thoughts on, and to you might mean nothing, but I'm comfortable with you thinking I'm delusional and psychotic. Jesus Christ changed my life, and my beliefs are non-violent ones. If being non violent and loving everyone unconditionally is psychotic, then I don't know what to tell you.
You're not a villain, just a deceived soul who believes that it all means nothing. But Satan, who is deceiving you, would have it no other way. Those who reject God for lack of evidence, aren't seeking evidence in the first place. You just want a magic genie that grants wishes, when that isn't how it works at all. You'd rather have all the rewards and none of the work.No but being illogical and irrational "prove" non-existence.
Confirmation bias.
No, but believing that imaginary beings exist do.
Why didn't you then accept Allah or Vishnu but chose just to go with the religion of your parents/teachers/community? By believing the priests without analysing what they said you are the one who is deceived, deceived by the hope of eternal life. Don't you want the magic genie that take away your 'fear' of death and grant you your 'hope' of eternal life? Those who knew well played their cards right and here they have a blind follower.
Seek profession help from a good psychiatrist and he will explain that in great detail.
So every theist should go see a psychiatrist?
LOL.Just the ones who really, really, really need them.
Don't get me wrong here, I am seriously concerned for your well being when I recommend you seek professional help.You can start by not encouraging "psychotic" behaviour by not coming to these type of forums like angels and demons.
Don't insult my intelligence. You are not concerned. You are just trying to convince yourself you are right by questioning my psychotic brain.
Sorry but you can't change the truth by doing that.No, we are acknowledging your psychosis and asking you to seek professional help in order to alleviate the psychosis with treatment. Is that not what you want?
Why should I? Honestly? Give me one good reason. Because I think you're the one who is delusional and in denial of the spiritual.
Can you prove the spiritual or give any demonstrable evidence that your assertions are factual? If not, we are right to deny them until they can be proven.
I'm proof. Jesus Christ changed me from a wretched creature into something better, and the transformation isn't yet complete.
Correction... The concept of Jesus may have changed you. You have no evidence of any Gods, just the concept and perhaps your fear of not getting into heaven has made you a better person. Most people don't need that fear to be good people, but for those who do...
I'm not afraid of hell, I'm promised eternal life by Jesus Christ. God is always with me, what do I have to fear? I've been close to death on more than one occasion, and for all I know I SHOULD be dead. I shouldn't be typing this right now, but, here I am.
And you can't have a concept of Jesus without the person of Jesus. He was a real man who died forgiving the people who murdered him. That's true love, and that is what changed me.You sentence says the opposite.
A story of a man found guilty of telling people not to pay their taxes a few thousand years ago has changed your life for the better. Do you pay taxes? Do you tell others they will burn in hell? Define better?"You sentence says the opposite."
Which sentence? What do you not understand?
"A story of a man found guilty of telling people not to pay their taxes a few thousand years ago has changed your life for the better."
That's a lie, Jesus paid taxes, oh ye of little faith. Read and understand:
Matthew 22 -
15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
"Do you pay taxes?"
Yes.
"Do you tell others they will burn in hell?"
No, that isn't for me to decide. I am no authority as to who lives eternal life in heaven, or, who suffers the second death in the lake of fire. I can only point out that some things are sins and some things are not, based on biblical principals. But if people are self-conscious and worried about burning in hell, maybe they should talk to God about it and not me. They're his laws, not mine.
"Define better?"
If you've never been healthy your whole life, how would you know if you're sick?
Yes and you're so original and unique, just like everyone else.
So how do we know that anything you say is true? You could be lying or making it all up.
How do you know that Jesus is responsible for your personal experiences and not some other god? Did he give you identification, or is it nothing more than confirmation bias? You choose to attribute these experiences, supernatural or not, to a god of your choosing without any evidence at all that what you believe is actually true. I don't take strangers words as evidence or truth. You are going to have to try again with actual evidence - not incidental stories that may or may not be true, but can't be duplicated or proven one way or another.
I can make up stories, too - do you just believe everything people tell you?"So how do we know that anything you say is true? You could be lying or making it all up."
What REASON do I have to lie to you? What is my motive? Put me on trial if you must, I have nothing to hide. I am being honest, and if you don't believe that a person can be honest, it is because you've become cynical and cold to the world; dead.
"How do you know that Jesus is responsible for your personal experiences and not some other god?"
The evidence is in the experiences themselves. They are self-evident, and, corroborate my findings as I searched for answers in the bible. It wasn't like I read the bible and all of a sudden had experiences, that would be confirmation bias. No, I had experiences and then searched for answers.
" Did he give you identification, or is it nothing more than confirmation bias?"
See above.
" You choose to attribute these experiences, supernatural or not, to a god of your choosing without any evidence at all that what you believe is actually true."
The evidence is in the experience. What we experience is real in some form or fashion, because all experiences are just electronic and chemical reactions in the brain. Ever watch the movie "The Matrix"? What is real, to you?
"I don't take strangers words as evidence or truth. You are going to have to try again with actual evidence - not incidental stories that may or may not be true, but can't be duplicated or proven one way or another."
It is clear that throughout your posts that you don't want evidence. Nothing would satisfy your need for evidence.
"I can make up stories, too - do you just believe everything people tell you?"
Trust, but verify.You believe that your beliefs are true. That belief does not make them true. Your experiences cannot be tested or verified or duplicated, and many people in many different religions all claim that their personal experiences verify their beliefs, yet their beliefs contradict yours. Why should we accept yours and not theirs? Why do you think yours prove your religion while theirs do not? People believe lots of different things. The 911 hijackers believed in Allah and that they would be rewarded for flying those planes into buildings. Does that make their beliefs true, just because they believed them?
"You believe that your beliefs are true. That belief does not make them true. Your experiences cannot be tested or verified or duplicated, and many people in many different religions all claim that their personal experiences verify their beliefs, yet their beliefs contradict yours."
Okay.
"Why should we accept yours and not theirs?"
You don't have to. You have a mind of your own, find out for yourself. Test, experiment, demonstrate. Do something instead of asking me for proof.
"Why do you think yours prove your religion while theirs do not?"
Based on the bible, which I believe to be the word of God.
"People believe lots of different things. The 911 hijackers believed in Allah and that they would be rewarded for flying those planes into buildings. Does that make their beliefs true, just because they believed them?"
It makes their beliefs real enough to fly planes into buildings. Funny though how even Muslims regard "allah" as the "great deceiver". Their own god is a deceitful god! How ironic!
To defend your beliefs, your faith and your religion. Many believers lie because they are taught to lie by their religions.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." - Exodus 20:16.
God says not to lie, ever, to anyone. (Everyone is your neighbor)! I do not knowingly lie to anyone regarding what I know about the bible. If I am mistaken about something concerning the bible, it is because I am mistaken about something concerning the bible, because God is never wrong. But I will not ever make something up just to satisfy the need to answer a question.
I won't claim to know all the details, but I know where to get answers from if I have a question. Diligent study, prayer and a faithful heart will come to know who and what God is all about. The example set by Jesus Christ is a hard example to follow.And, then God lies and teaches you those lies. The hypocrisy of religions has no bounds.
Gods are almost totally wrong about everything, that is why we reject them.
Yes, you will and you have, and they have been pointed out to you, to no avail.That's called deluding one's self....comparable to the person who convinces himself that he can jump out of a 20 story building and not get hurt.
A psychotic claiming to be the son of an imaginary entity....yes, that is quite difficult for sane people to do.
I don't need to provide reasons, psychiatrists already have good reasons based on facts and evidence.
You're the troubled man, not I. Go see your psychiatrist immediately, and tell him or her how mean all of us Christians are and how we hurt your feelings.
Then why are you a troubled man? What deep down inside you caused you to make that screen name in the first place?
You are a liar, a deceptive person. You don't share anything about yourself or your life. No one knows who you are, and your entire existence is based on a false identity. I don't believe you exist. Go away.He purposely chose his name for people to jump on.and make attacks with it. You played into it. Don't worry, most have done ot
No, that's not what I mean. No one knows who this man is, or at least I don't. For all I know, he's a fictional character, a computer program spouting out the same lines over and over again.
What is A Troubled Man's real name? Where did he grow up at? What was his childhood like? What are his dreams and aspirations? What did he eat today, and, what is his favorite food and drink? Does he have a significant other, a spouse, a child?
I know nothing of this man who pretends to be someone he is not, and he hides his identity for fear of something. What does he fear?
What do YOU fear?Flamet H. Rower.
A planet far, far away.
Excellent.
To unite mankind.
Beluga Caviar and Dom Perignon.
Yes, on various planets throughout the galaxy.
Nothing.
Notice how my answers are completely irrelevant to any discussions here?"Flamet H. Rower."
Nice to meet you. My name is James Lappin.
"A planet far, far away."
You're lying. Earth is the only home you know.
"Excellent."
Then why are you a troubled man? Only a troubled childhood could rear a troubled man. Your parents must have despised you.
"To unite mankind."
Lofty aspirations. How do you plan on doing this? By killing off anyone who doesn't agree with you? History repeats itself... Over and over again. All attempts to unite humankind has failed, miserably, because we try and do it our way instead of God's way.
"Beluga Caviar and Dom Perignon."
How do you afford that? You could spend less money on food and be filled. Maybe even feed other people who need food with the leftover money.
"Yes, on various planets throughout the galaxy."
That is obviously a lie. Why are you so deceitful?
"Nothing."
Not even death? Your hands never shake and your legs never feel like jello after a near-miss? You can't go your whole life ignoring death, it will eventually get you.
"Notice how my answers are completely irrelevant to any discussions here?"
Actually they are completely relevant. Either you're telling the truth, or, lying. Why would you lie? What do you have to hide? Afraid I might find something to use against you? Even if I don't know your secrets, God does.Notice how easy it is to spot a lie. I could state emphatically, as believers do, that it is the ultimate truth revealed to me in an experience. You would still say it is a lie.
<--- me being troubled by your assertions that I am troubled.
That is a very hateful thing to say to someone, but I expect it from believers because they have not learned any morals or ethics, their religion has taught them to lie and hate others, as you are demonstrating here.
And yet, history reveals that has been religions and the belief in gods that show people killing others because they don't believe in the same gods. Over and over again.
Attempts to unite mankind are currently under way with the end of the very same religions used to justify the killing of people.
I have a lot of money for which I've worked hard. I used my intellect to do so.
I give to non-religious charities all the time. Of course, Jesus does nothing to help the starving.
They are merely examples of just how easy it is to spot an obvious lie.
Then, by your own words, it would be pointless to be afraid of death and if one is not afraid of death, they are afraid of nothing.
To show you how easy is to lie and to spot a lie.
That is a lie. Why would YOU lie?
I do not disclose my fear. I prefer to keep them between me and God
OK: Psychosis is the inability to tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of delusional disorder is the presence of delusions -- unshakable beliefs in something untrue.
Then I suppose you have proof of the spirit world....where Jesus and evil spirits dwell. If you don't then you are not being honest....and that dishonesty is due to a psychotic delusion, established through indoctrination.
Again, do you have any irrefutable proof of any of this fantastic whimsical science fiction? And if you do have proof, you would be the first person ever. So is this psychotic....or do you have proof? You can call the shot yourself by simply providing proof.
This is the type of primitive thinking that is not of this era, and anyone who still believes in such outdated ignorance has decided to give in to the fear planted by long dead ignorant earlier humans, and their outrageous and childish folklore....as if they MAGICALLY knew something beyond what modern man does.
Your comments are just regurgitated, useless deceptions, formed by your indoctrination, and have no basis in reality, but only primitive superstitions and folklore.
Your thinking is not based in reality, therefore it must be delusional....tantamount to believing in ANY fairytale. Take your pick.
Wow Ceegan....
Looks like you are being attacked by the self-righteous atheists. Oh, what ever shall we do???? Sounds like you hit a nerve when you said "evil people". But, tell me, why would anyone get upset about that phrase unless it was perceived as personal?
You never called names, you didn't allude to any group of people...all you said was that Satan sends evil people... why would that gender strife? Especially since it is true....You define disagreement as an attack? Really?
Dear J,
I appreciate how you have asked your question. There is not one hint of 2nd or 3rd degree anger. There is no name calling, no suggestion that the notion of an "attack" is nonsense, childish, whimsical or in need of mental care.
You may feel these things internally, but you phrased your question in a manner that would suggest that a disagreement with you would not turn into a "bash the Believer" session.
I saw none of that in the comments made to Ceegan, So, in answer to your question I say no, I do not define disagreement as an attack, I define an attack as an attack.You cannot attack an idea or a belief. It has no feelings and cannot be offended. Neither should all ideas be respected or deferred to some ideas and beliefs are ridiculous, and I'm sure you'd agree.. No one attacked the person. Only his statement, belief or idea was criticized. Therefore, there was no attack, and to over-dramatize it seems a bit desperate and/or silly - don't you think?
I like you J...
You just may be right on all points....
Leslie just wanted to acknowledge that Ceegen indirectly called those who don't follow a particular belief "evil". Indoctrination at it's finest. Who defines "evil"? George W. Bush with his axis of evil nonsense and then attacks another country without provocation killing thousands on both sides? Or these bozos spreading hatred and lies?
Well Rad that would be correct if it were not for the fact that Jesus called all mankind evil. He told religious leaders that they were of the devil...
"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies". (John 8:44)
and, He called his followers evil:
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” (Luke 11:13)
So, when Ceegan says
"This will not stop evil spirits from getting other humans to try and harm a believer physically, mentally or emotionally (etc.); because when we tell Satan and his fallen angels to go away, they send evil people in their place"
he is only saying that "anyone" who yields to evil actions because of evil thoughts is at that time themselves evil.
That includes Christians. Christians have to fight everyday to do things God's way and not any other way.
We don't just sit around and tell everyone else what is wrong with them. We endeavour to enhance our personal relationship with Jesus Christ through acting on His Word as best as we can.
We strive to be examples that others would want to follow. Sometimes we "do good" and sometimes we "do not so good". We are simply confident that God loves us and this gives us eternal security as well as a refuge from the storms in this life.I disagree here to a degree. Looking around here on HP, there are a lot of Christians that do exactly that. They spend the time telling others here (especially the atheists) how evil and sinful they are instead of demonstrating the love of Christ by showing others respect even in disagreement.
You are right in that respect, and I apologize for my brothers and my sisters. I can boldly say their intent is still to win souls for Christ. Our problem is often that we are not led by the Holy Spirit and because we want everyone to receive Jesus, sometimes we think only pointing out the sin is the way to convict souls.
Please don't misunderstand me... Sin is real and it is an abomination in the sight of our Holy God. People should be made aware of sin and they should be honest enough to judge sin in their own lives.
We do not excuse sin because sin is how we got into this mess in the first plalce. But, when you develop a relationship with God through the Lord Jesus Christ, He will strengthen you to resist and walk away from sin.
Sin is powerful and no man can "just stop" without a fight. And, will power alone will not keep you free always. The power of God will not only free you, but give you the ability to stay free.
Everyone knows what is right and wrong because it is written on every man's heart. So, let's quit pretending that we are confused or unsure.
I used to do the same things that you say my brothers and sister are doing. I would be adamant about you going to Hell (and,you are if you refuse God's gift), but I was presenting it from the "fear" angle.
Now, you should be afraid, because Hell is "fo sho on and poppin' and no one should go there. But, the gospel's main emphasis is not about "not going to Hell". It's main emphasis is about the love of God toward His creation.... mankind. And the desire of God to come into personal relationship with us.
Many of us have worn out our understanding because we cannot reconcile different tragic events with the thought of a loving God.... Well, that is what this thread is about anyway, evil spirits. Evil spirits are behind the tragedies.
People say, "Why did God allow...." Then when we can't figure it out, we give up on God and turn to something else. Well, God only allowed whatever you are mad at Him about because we don't realize that we
(a) have dominion over this earth
(b) don't know how to walk in that dominion
(c) understand that God gave the Earth to Adam and Eve and they gave it to Satan. He is the god of this world. That's why we pray. We pray to get the hand of our God into the Earth. We have the victory, and we fight from the place of victory, but we are ferociously opposed. The enemy hopes that we will give up our stand and quit on God.
(d) that Satan hates us
(e) that the individual battle-ground is the mind of man. and that
(f) God, through the blood of Jesus has given us authority over the works of the devil, demons, Satan and the whole bunch.
Finally, I just want to know, why people with opposing views to Christianity get a "don't have to be polite" pass.
They can do and say anything ugly they want to and it is considered as, what... their opinion???. But the minute a Christian says anything contrary to those statements, or voices a standard, they are branded as "intolerant", "bigots" "speakers of hate"... Talk to me....
Can you reconcile that...... 'cause I cannot.Actually here is the real problem...
We don't want to hear you telling us about sin.
We don't want to be threatened by you.
Because those who threaten others with Hell and evangelize Christianity are rude, selfish and arrogant. They will be treated with respect when they keep their beliefs behind closed doors where they belong.If I tell you that you will get wet if you stand in the rain, do you feel threatened?
Believe what I say or don't. It is your choice. You should be comfortable and secure in your choices... (I am). And, you shouldn't care how I feel or what I thinkBut trying to scare people with a Hell that cannot be proven physically in an effort to convert them is threatening them. Even if they aren't afraid of something that they do not believe in nobody wants to be threatened with something bad in order to show what is supposed to be love
No, but you are indeed threatening me with Hell.
I do care when you threaten people, we should all be concerned about threats from people. Those threats have been shown to be dangerous throughout history, causing many wars.
And, since your secure and comfortable in your choice to threaten others, we can easily conclude your religion should be rejected, if not altogether banned entirely.
I will agree with this statement. You don't have to apologize to me. It's the atheists that this apology should go to (to say the least)
Exactly, they should judge their own sins and work on their own sins and not focus on everyone else's. They should follow Matthew 7:1-5. If come of our fellow brothers and sisters spent as much time focused on and working on their own sins as they spend trying to point out and focus on everyone else's, they will be so much further in life and more in tune in their relationship with Christ.
Herein lies part of the problem. people follow God more out of fear of Hell than out of love for him. That is not a relationship that anyone should seek to be part of and one of the reasons people shun Christianity.. the doctrines
But included in a personal relationship with him also comes showing love continually to others. The bible says "love they neighbor as thyself"
I can reconcile this easily.. Those who oppose Christianity do not get a "don't have to be polite" pass at all. But what you have to understand is that most of the atheists here merely return the same politeness (or lack thereof) that they are shown by our brothers and sisters. The bible says that you reap what you sow and as such our fellow brothers and sisters are merely reaping the harvest of the seeds they plant. Just like you cannot plant an apple seed and get an orange tree, you cannot plant a seed of disrespect and expect (or demand) respect in return. Threatening someone with a place that you cannot physically prove exists (such as Hell) is very impolite in their opinion and as such they respond with calling our beliefs irrational, absurd, etc... Add to this the fact that Some Christians try to push beliefs as though they are absolute knowledge and fact then get upset when asked for evidence of this "knowledge". I personally have several atheists here that I consider my friends and others that I respect and that respect me because even though they disagree with me, I do not try to force my beliefs on them as absolute truth or knowledge and I also show them respect and understanding for their lack of belief. As long as your actions continue to be respectful toward others, their actions will be respectful toward you, but of course that does not mean that our beliefs will escape scrutiny and/or ridicule. We just have to maintain thick skin and continue to show respect and tolerance.
"Qualitatively, there is no difference between psychosis considered mental illness and psychosis considered mental health. Schizophrenia is said to be characterized by hallucinations, i.e., self-reported imaginings. Belief in God is a socially acceptable self-reported imagining. Belief in Satan is a socially unacceptable self-reported imagining. The first is considered normal and is not an indication of mental illness, whereas the second is considered abnormal but is an indication of mental illness" (Sarbin, 1990).
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/other/schaler4.htmlOvercoming Mental Illness
"From her religious background she knew about Satan and believed they came from him. Janet felt a lot of fear during this time; she thought she was lost to Satan."
http://www.hopeforrecovery.com/coping.htmlBut, you will ignore the concern in favor of allowing the mental illness to rule your worldview.
Troubled Man....
Did you read the conclusions of the hope for recovery link that you gave us??? They condone a spiritual life and belief in a higher power as a tool to support mental health and recovery from psychosis.....
"However, even with the positive life-changing qualities, mental illness can be devastating for those who experience it. It often takes months or even years to recover from a psychosis. The negative affects of a psychotic episode include depression and a loss of will to continue living. A relationship with a higher power may be the only safeguard against suicide. It is increasingly evident that, in conjunction with medication, a spiritual life aids the mentally ill. Thus, reliance on the psychiatric community is only one part of the equation, and when the psychiatric professional listens to the spiritual beliefs held by persons with psychiatric disabilities, this aids in the healing process (Richards & Bergin, 1997; Sullivan, 1998). A client's interpretation of his or her psychotic episode and how to deal with it has relevance. And, often the solutions they find gives real meaning to their lives." http://www.hopeforrecovery.com/coping.htmlIt is equally try that other approaches aid the non-spiritually-inclined mentally ill.
In the sense of swapping one vice for another, that is true. However, spiritual meaning is merely a temporary safeguard against suicide for those who have become detached from reality. It does nothing to solve the problems of the mental disorders, however.
Claire if you're happy living this way then good luck to you, but you don't sound happy. Remember that all religion is simply a means of controlling people and taking their money though. There are plenty out there that will take advantage of gullible/mentally weak people.
It's all made up. Don't let stuff upset you that isn't real anyway.I love Jesus and He gives me joy and peace the world cannot. However, I cannot help being affected by suffering and evil in this world. Somebody who is happy all time is not in touch with the real world.
And you know for certain that demons aren't real?they are real! seen plenty took out to the trash can during church, people are still getting released from devils every day round here,the key is having a real preacher that knows when they are around and cast them out.
I wasn't certain elephants could fly until I saw Dumbo, which also made me certain crows could talk.
Perhaps, being certain that demons are or aren't real depends on whether or not everyone has seen them.
Since, I saw Dumbo, and millions of other people have, my certainty must be valid. Or, is the certainty we have just an assertion of what may or may not be real?
religion is not about controlling people.pretty simple, some people is about controlling people not the title religion alone. we pray for you bro for better understanding
I guess telling people they will burn in hell if they don't conform is not about control. LOL
Nope.. It's about loving others enough to "warn" them.
You mean loving others enough to warn them that God does not love them enough?
Nope, the bible clearly lays out rules and laws and describes what to do to those who don't follow the laws. That's control and not love. Warning others what they think will happen without any evidence of anything happening is also control and not love and or it's people thinking they can get up the ladder faster.
control ? again,easy subject.and telling people they are going to hell if they wont follow the word.if you was standing on a high ledge and I told you if u keep going forward like you are.you will surely die, is that control n you or helping you. you do the thinking.we still pray for you in all the happy ways
This is getting ..........STRANGELY interesting, WOW. People still believe in demons? In THESE times?
I find it TOTALLY AMUSING myself. Really now.............The ravishes of mental illness is truly heartbreaking. My younger brother is completely delusional, and is so convinced that he has been abducted by UFOs that he wants to commit violence against anyone one who tries to tell him about the psychological possibilities of his affliction.
The OP sounds almost exactly like my mentally ill brother.So sorry to hear about your brother. And you are correct about the OP, I've had some concerns for some time now.
Thanks. I agree. Hearing and seeing things that are just not there, believing that one can talk to the dead or thinking that one has stepped outside of the laws of nature must be a horrible "reality"
I'm also sorry about your brother.
The issue isn't really in talking to the dead. Anyone can talk to the dead.. The issue is if you're getting an answerRight....like when we say "Good bye" to someone who's being lowered into the grave....but we're pretty sure that the person probably doesn't hear us. And we should definitely not expect the person to ever say anything to us again...at least in this life.
Exactly. I still talk to my dad sometimes.. Of courst he doesn't talk back to me since his ashes are in a box in my closet
When my Mom passed about 8.5 years ago I ran into that same wall. I loved telling my mom about all the things the kids would do and say and suddenly I had nobody there. So I started talking to my aunt to try to fill the void as they were similar. She would have loved to see how big they have gotten. Sorry about your Dad. You're young so he must have been young as well. Sucks. Makes me think of what Chris must be going through. Sometimes s*!t happens to good people.
Thanks, but I would prefer that you prayed for the starving children in Africa. They are in much greater need than I'm, as I am fairly healthy, and eating regularly.
I pray for all those who are suffering. You are not insignificant that God would not care about any suffering you go through.
You think God cares about suffering, and can do nothing about it, yet you pray for help?
I don't need prayer from your incompetent God. He does nothing at all. I'm doing just fine, thank you. Everyone is going to go through hardships from time to time, yet, still, I will probably live to be quite old. I don't need your God.
And how can you say that your God cares about the minor suffering that I go through if He doesn't even care about poor, helpless, starving children....doing absolutely nothing while these children suffer horrible lives and deaths? This makes absolutely no sense at all. You should cease your prayers, as they are completely, and utterly useless....SMHBut why are there hungry children? Is it not due to the evil that man commits out of his own free will? Is it not due to people who have children out of their own free will that they KNOW they can't afford to feed? God will not prevent suffering but He promises to get us through suffering? God helps others through good people who are inspired by Him whether they know it or not. Prayer is an extremely powerful thing.
Ah! Free will....the kryptonite of God. He either can do something about suffering or He can just helplessly watch, like the rest of us, with no power. This is a worn out and thoroughly debunked, mindless, desperate cop-out.
I fail to see how allowing these poor wretched children to die a horrific death is "getting them through suffering" Explain.
So there are just not enough good people inspired by your God to help the plight of these children, I guess? And, furthermore, if your God needs to use other people to do His work, why give Him credit? I inspire children to go to college all the time, but once they graduate, I give them full credit, not myself. It would be immoral to take full credit for the things that I have only inspired.
Scientific studies have concluded that prayer is not that powerful at all. The little benefits that it has been shown to have is mostly on the person praying....not the recipient. Prayer has no effect on changing the laws of nature....except in a fantasy world.
As you have, inadvertently, noted yourself, it is the will(and actions) of man that changes things, and certainly not this imaginary man-made God. He does NOTHING.God thoroughly debunked? How so? He does do something about suffering through those who love Him and do good.
As I said, He gets those who ask Him to get through suffering. Children, however, are under the auspices of their parents and they who have suffering children could not have asked God for deliverance in my opinion.
What are you doing to help hungry children? Why give God credit? Because without God there would be no good people in the first place because He is the source of good. Those who do good should be recognized for what they have done because God works with people as a team.
The power of prayer is a very individualistic thing. It cannot be measured by science.
You just don't understand.Claire, it's not that I don't understand. It's just that you have not proposed anything with even a semblance of logic. You have only talked about fairy tales that are comparable to Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, or Cinderella, or Rumpelstiltskin, and you use them out of context(as if these fables are part of the real world)
There is no understanding to be made of your world view, unless you decide one day to join reality, which I see as not likely.You know not reality. Wake up to who is really governing this earth.
The earth has been here for billions of years, and will be here for billions of years more....but I'm supposed to somehow be concerned about some mythical fable that was fabricated in the last 3000 years. All you have is conspiracy theories based on the absurdities of ancient uneducated beliefs.
It's not a fact that the earth will be here for billions of more years. I'm sorry you can't even entertain that what I believe is possible. That is not how one expands their minds. I know you are still traumatized by your experiences with Christians. I think you coming and corresponding with Christians is not healing you. You may want to avoid Christians altogether.
Expanding one's mind does NOT mean accepting the imaginings of someone else to be true.
It does NOT mean interpreting 2,000 year old myths in such a way that they support a personal desire for an afterlife.
It DOES mean accepting reality for what it is without trying to make it fit into a myth. The earth's future is a good example; without having strong reason to think otherwise, we can reasonably say the earth will last for additional billions of years. Until we find your ET from another universe going around gobbling up planets we don't have that "strong reason".Didn't you see 'Independence day', 'Fantastic four' or 'Green lantern'?
Loved Independence Day and F4. Not much into green guys, so didn't watch that one.
It amazes me how some visionary people can wring such detail from the future - I sure wish I could.
I'm not asking you to accept anything but merely to entertain other possibilities. You must think that there could be things out there that you just don't understand and thus is why you think they are mere myths. People have this tendency to believe that if they don't understand something then it can't be true.
It is possible that another planet could collide with our one. No life would survive.Entertain other possibilities? Of course! It's how we learn, at least if those possibilities are examined for truth vs imagination. Accepting made up "possibilities" as actually being real simply because they fit an old myth isn't of much value.
People also have a very strong tendency to want answers. And if they can't find a real answer, they will make one up and declare it to be true and real. The trick, of course, is to want an answer badly enough to look, but be aware that we won't EVER find an answer to everything. Rather than make up whatever we want and believe it to be true, we need to accept that there are things we shall not know in our lifetime even as we continue the search for truth.You are assuming my beliefs are myths. Having confirmation bias is not entertaining other possibilities. I have always wanted answers. I go where the evidence leads me. It leads me to Jesus but it also leads me to digress somewhat from mainstream Christianity. If I badly wanted to believe the Bible is the infallible word of God then I would shut my mind to prevent anything else that can prove it's wrong.
I say as utter truth, if one really wanted to know the truth, and that is Jesus, then one would find Him. It's just that many don't want to believe in Him because He requires a high standard of living morally and most just don't want to live that morally.
Our sun is currently about half way through it's current stage. There is no reason to think it'll change for a few more billion years. So the earth will be here for at least that time although it may not continue in it's current condition and we (humans) will most likely not be around to see the earth end.
That's the general consensus among the top scientist who have studied this and debated with each other. Of course the general consensus among most Christians is that the Earth is 6000 years old, and will be destroyed when Jesus comes back and raises hell. I'm gonna go with the scientist.
When I go to the movies to see Batman, I do entertain that what I am seeing is possible, but once I leave the movie theater, I come back to reality....because fictional characters doing things that violate the laws of nature are imaginary.
Deluding ones mind with useless negative concepts is NOT expanding ones mind. You've confused madness with expansion of the mind. What a horrible, horrible mistake.
I'm not the one who needs healing. I come here to help with the healing of others. I forgive them, because they know not what they are doing, as they are severely traumatized by the fraud invented by generations of ignorant primitive humans that inhabited Earth long before us. This ignorance should have been long discarded from our modern society.
And just how would that be possible???Go to Japan. The population of Japan is only 1% Christian.
They also have way, way better healthcare and violent crime is almost a myth.Well, another planet could collide with earth. Bye bye earth then. A huge asteroid could wipe out all life. There is no scientific evidence that the earth is 6000 years old. Coal take much longer than 6000 years to form.
The final battle between good and evil will destroy the world. They are too great a forces for the earth to survive.
Have you ever thought you could be wrong? I mean, you did say that God PROBABLY doesn't exist. Therefore there is room for doubt in your mind.
I meant you ought to avoid Christians on this type of forums. Forums on demons and Christianity is going to evoke this sort of trauma. Why come here if it makes you so upset when Christians cannot be reasoned with?And, of course, you have scientific evidence that there is such a battle in the making...? Good...let's see it!
I also said that Spider Man PROBABLY doesn't exist, which carries the exact same amount of doubt. So this is blatant desperate pleading. Sorry you have to go to such lengths to avoid reality, and stay in a realm of imaginary absurdities.
What trauma, Claire? Where do you see trauma? This seems so disingenuous.
I'm sure you don't really care if I am traumatized or not....which I am NOT. lol. Your real concern is that you can't persuade me to believe the delusional assertions that you are desperately trying to push.
Who said I was upset? Why do you have to keep creating Straw Man arguments, instead of providing a reason for us to accept your outlandish assertions?
And let me put the question back to you? Why do you start threads where you assert outlandish superstitious claims....that you can't provide ANY evidence for....then expect atheist not to confront you?
There is someone traumatized here, but it is definitely not me.Getitrite, YOU are spot on. YOU are the voice of logic in these religious forums.
Thanks. I have actually learned much from conversing with people like Claire. It is apparent how fraudulent delusions refuse to relinquish its hold on its victims, somehow creating a self imposed chemical imbalance, rendering victims too afraid to rid themselves of this blatant deception....but to cling onto it with the same zeal that one clings to dear life. Very sad for the victim.
Many tradtional, dogmatic religionists and pietists LOVE to argue with those who have different/divergent beliefs than they have. They feel that the latter are LOST and in need of SAVING. They strongly believe that THEIR path is the ONLY, LEGITIMATE one and they need to "TEACH" others regarding "the right" way to be. Traditional, dogmatic religionists and pietists just LOVE to PROSELYTYZE others...........What makes THEM so obsessed with trying to do this? LIVE and LET LIVE, I SAY!
They simply have the infantile notion that ALL and EVERYTHING should be THEIR way, immature "thinking" to the multillionth degree!I think the superego holds the ego hostage with this illusion and won't reveal the lie to the ego because it needs control.
Of course I don't have scientific evidence. How do you test that in a lab? It is up to you whether you really want to know the truth or not.
No you didn't. I keep all comments I make and make a search for the word "Spider Man" and came up with none. Perhaps you have kept that comment? Why would you say Spider Man probably doesn't exist? Do you think there is a chance that he does?
I've been dealing for atheists for 5 years on the Internet and I know why people respond the way they do. It is not Christians that get you to heaven. It is accepting Jesus so you don't go to hell for not corresponding with Christians.
I actually do pray for you because I know how terrible night terrors are. It is not my job to succeed in persuading you. Jesus could not do that with everyone. I'm hear to witness to the truth whether people accept it or not.
I don't mind atheists confronting me as long as it doesn't negatively affect their peace of mind. Then what is the point?
The only way you can get better is to confront your trauma. It may be the reason why you are plagued with night terrors.
All prayer does is make the one praying feel like they at least tried to help in an impossible situation, which makes it a rather selfish act if you admit it doesn't prevent suffering.
There are those, despite logical reasoning, who will steadfastly persist and insist in believing in so-called demonic occurrences. It is totally futile to reason with this type of person. Please let Claire BE. The more we argue with Claire, the more insistent she will be. It is HER belief and premise, NOT yours. If we don't argue with her, the thread will be left alone. The argument exercise in this case will be totally moot. There are BETTER things that WE can do with our experience on HubPages. Claire is going to BELIEVE what she will despite the logical and sane arguments presented. Don't BOTHER........use the time more constructively.
There is also just natural human diversity without resorting to online amateur psychiatry.
The forums have a sub-section for discussing demons so it seems to me not unusual that someone chose to do so.Indeed. but my point is that it is normalized in our culture to a great extent. And that which is culturally normalized very rarely appears in the DSMV.
Hi Claire,
I just wanted to say that I totally believe in angels and demons. You said someone blessed your house and these "lower energies" appeared. You can bless your house, but you still have to remove any unwanted entities. The unwanted entities cannot see you directly. They can, however, see your energy. They know when you are not happy. They know when you are happy. All they can see is you thinking there may be something in the house with you. Therefore, they create things to scare you. Most likely, this is a "ghost". The thing about ghosts is that the lower energy taunts them. The lower energy a.k.a. demons agree with their decision to make you miserable. This is not at all happy for God. He is not happy with this person that has refused to go to the Light when He asked them to. They don't want to be judged by God. Sometimes, God gives them time to learn. When they start to create trouble for the people on Earth, they are not allowed to go to the Light for a while. God is not happy with the way they are handling their physical death. He tells them to stop scaring His people on Earth. For some reason, they think it is funny...but really it's sad. They are the ones in danger of never making it to Heaven.
However, there is something you can do. You can protect you, your house, and your family by saying: "I am fully protecting me, my house, and my family with the White Light of the Holy Spirit." Then, pray for God to help you handle removing this entity from your home. Then, after acknowledging and saying: EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH JESUS CHRIST (meaning you are only calling upon God's angels to help you because that is His Plan for us to protect ourselves), you are to call upon Archangel Michael.
To call upon Archangel Michael (Archangel of Protection also discussed in the Holy Bible in Revelations) say: "I am calling upon Archangel Michael to remove this lower energy from my home."
This will allow the entity to be confronted by Jesus Christ and Archangel Michael. When they see Archangel Michael, they may decide to leave. However, if they do not want to leave, you have to forcefully remove them from your home. You have asked them nicely...now its time to go.
I don't want to explain on this site exactly how to remove unwanted entities from your home. You are welcome to contact me for further information.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION: When they know God wants them gone, they may act up. They are basically throwing a temper tantrum because they know they are about to see God. They have been running for so long. They have probably upset a lot of people on the Earth and they don't want to be judged. Yes...they can shake beds, make you see shadows, cause you to be irritable and sad, scare you, give you nightmares, and make noises.
However, always protect yourself with the White Light of the Holy Spirit and call upon Archangel Michael by saying: "I am fully protected with the White Light of the Holy Spirit. I am calling upon Archangel Michael to protect me, my home, and my family." As long as you do not give into their games, they cannot touch you. Trust God. He is always there to talk to about your situation. Just because I have told you what to say, doesn't mean you have to be perfect. Ask God to protect you if any of this goes against your belief system.
Good luck and God Bless you.
P.S. IF you have children...always, always, always put protection over them. Protecting yourself and calling upon Archangel Michael can be done outside of your home as well. Just remember to say: EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.Hi! It wasn't a ghost but Satan trying to harass me. He did that with Jesus, too. Things are good at the home even though I've been through an ordeal. There is a presence of Jesus. Thanks so much for writing. And you have described demons well.
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