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Calling all Christians, Calling all Christians

  1. Ericdierker profile image78
    Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago

    OH!! No not your kind. Sorry not your kind. Oops not your kind either. Calling all Christians that think just like me!!

    That is the kind of Malarkey we are seeing these days. Wild assertions of "then you are not a real Christian". A notion that one or two verses in the Bible determine our relationship with Christ. One says "this verse" and another says "that verse".

    Well to me and my people Jesus is Love. So you can write your own Bible verse about Love. We do not care. Do this and do that!!!! Well how about we just sit down hold hands and discuss it and find the best application of all the good teachings of the Bible and do the best we can, together.

    I took a month sabbatical from preaching and teaching --- because I had become a "leader" and it crushed my very soul. Christians are not to lead but to serve. We are not to judge but to be judged. We are not to set rules by copying text to suit our desire. No we are to provide for others.
    (do not get me wrong here,,, one of my favorite sports is bantering thoughts with other Christians and others -- but that is banter and fun)
    We are to provide. Let that sink in. No conditions, just provide what we have to offer.

    Calling all Christians!!! Calling all who Love!! For if you love one another you are mine!!

    Please throw out thoughts on this. I know it will wrankle some who want rules and hell, so be it.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      There's only one thing Christians agree on:

      Those who don't ascribe to the ultra-specific regional brand of the denomination of Christianity that I practice are tools of the devil and should be burned at the stak--er, I mean, dismissed as heretics--er, I mean, ignored--er, I mean, tortured. Yeah, we'll go with that.

      1. Ericdierker profile image78
        Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Awesome point --- and ain't it a bitch. Who is teaching this crap? They must hide away in the light and come out for donations in the day. The Good News is spreading why do they want to place rules and hellfire on it.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What do you mean "these days."? You guys have been fighting and killing and arguing over what the majik book says since the first christian pretended to grovel to the Super Being.

      Where do you get the idea that this is a new thing? Wild assertions about an Invisible Super Being making the second best sacrifice it could possibly make is the problem. wink

      1. Ericdierker profile image78
        Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Howdy Mark -- best wishes to you as always. "you guys"??? Well I can only account for about 50 years or so. "Majik Book" might have some point to it if you do not believe. "Invisible Super Being" is not bad at all. But I see it in you with your love. Go figure!

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Best wishes to you also.

          You guys = self professed Christians.

          Is "Supernatural" better than "Majick"? What is the difference?

          Still - you completely managed to avoid the point I made. Which - is actually strange unless you don't really want to stop fighting about who is the real christian. I will leave you to your self righteous preaching again. I personally don't consider ignoring every point I make and then repeating that you love me to be love, but - that is just me. Go figure.

          Here is a serious question for you. WHo gets to decide if you love me or not? You - or me?

          1. Ericdierker profile image78
            Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Mark I get to decide if I love you. I get to decide if I love Jesus. You get to decide for you. You cannot decide for me. I do not get to decide who loves Jesus.
            Supernatural is good PC. Majik sounds wrong. But we know Majik and Maji come from the same concept so.
            You guys + lumps acts done 300 years ago to this guy. It seems negative.

            Yes sometimes I ignore questions I do not like. Usually when they are framed in the "have you stopped beating your wife" genre. Or if they are surrounded by jabs and barbs.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Good for you ignoring reality like that. Keep your love. I don't want it because it feels like self righteous preaching and I don't like that.

              But basically you prefer to pretend that this question of christians arguing over who is a real Christian is actually a new thing and has nothing to do with your comportment. OK. As they say - you can lead a horse to water, but if he prefers denial of reality instead of truth, he will not drink.

              I know, the truth hurts sometimes, but there is no easy way to say this other than point out the facts. And the facts are that "you guys" have been fighting and arguing over what the majick book says since it was started. This is why your religion causes so many conflicts. wink

              Feel free to ignore me in favor of your irrational beliefs.

              1. Ericdierker profile image78
                Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Mark again I will tell you: Your manner in discussing is really unfriendly and seems to be artfully designed to insult and ridicule, yet leave no marks on the victim.
                Since before Nicaea "Christians" have not only been arguing over what The Book says but also what should be in it and the qualities of the authors. Historically those arguments costs thousands their lives.
                And history is good to know. And debate is good to have.
                So I brought the debate current. And we are focusing on the debate of today.
                Can one Christian really decide if another professed Christian is Christian. I pose that the answer is no.
                Now there are a lot of "rules" set forth in the Bible. Some can well argue that if you do not follow all those rules --- ergo, not a Christian. As though Christianity is LAW based. So I opened a forum to discuss that issue today.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Well - I don't like some one continually telling me that they love me and then deliberately ignoring what I say in order to tell me how much they love me again. So - now you know why I am abrasive towards you. Seeing as you are behaving towards me in the way you want me to behave back - right? wink

                  But sure. Lets bring the conversation current. Today - the irrational belief in an Invisible SUper Being who gave you a set of LAWS to live by is the problem. The majick book that is your reference toe the LAWS you should follow is - at best - unclear on certain issues. It also instructs you to chastise anyone who is not following the LAWS set forth as not being a Christian.

                  This is the point I am making. There is no logic or reasoning in the bible. Just a set of LAWS to be followed. You don't follow them - you are not a christian. Simple. Hence the 2,000 years of arguments.

                  Never met a real christian myself - have you? big_smile

                  1. Ericdierker profile image78
                    Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for the explanation of the abrasiveness. I will try harder not to cause angst. I agree with you. That if we take the Bible as a set of laws then we become Sophists. (do not tell anyone but I have a law degree) I understand the waste of time of a room full of lawyers debating what a law means.
                    So the Majik book must be read to gather/garner higher understanding.
                    It is not hard to do. I read poetry that makes me be more gentle and understanding and appreciative. I can read the bible just the same.
                    But saying that the Bible is "just a set of laws" is wrong and totally disrespectful. Please take that back.

                    Your closing question is what this forum is all about. I think so for awhile and then maybe not so much. Sense I believe our faith is in our hearts I know that hearts change. So........

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              Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this




              Actually, Eric, I disagree with this statement to a degree.. You may decide whether you love another or not, but it is up to the recipient to decide if what you are doing to them actually constitutes what they feel is love. Have you ever read "The Five Love Languages" By Gary Chapman? In case you haven't, Dr. Chapman basically broke love and the feeling of love into five "languages" : Physical touch, Acts of service, Giving gifts, quality time, and Words of affirmation. The basic synopsis states that you may feel like you are showing you that you love them as according to your love language, but the recipient may not feel that love because they are speaking a different language.

              In the case of the whole religion debate, You have a lot of evangelical Christians that state that they warn people about Hell because they love them, however, most people do not feel that "love" because they don't take too kindly to what appears to be a threat against not behaving a certain way..


              So You may say you love Mark, or even Jesus, but if you are not acting in a manner that is speaking the love language of the person you are professing love to, then it cannot be truly seen or felt as love.

              1. Ericdierker profile image78
                Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Deepes, I do not accept Chapmans' premise. What he describes is a societal conditioned love concept. My notion is of unconditional love. Love founded on the acceptance of that love is very iffy. Are we saying that a parents' love for their child in disciplining them is not love?

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                  Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this



                  Even unconditional love must be felt by the person receiving the love. In communicating with another person, it is important that you provide love by the receiver's standards..

                  I like to use the quote "Seek to understand before we seek to be understood"

                  Looking at your example of disciplining a child. In order for discipline to be effective, it must be done in a manner that is understood best by the child as being discipline. failure to do so could be psychologically damaging to that child. Discipline is love only if being done in a manner that is not damaging to the child.. otherwise, it is abuse.

                  1. Ericdierker profile image78
                    Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    We will disagree on that premise of the love. Because some people have Alzheimer's we cannot love them. Psychotics do not deserve our love. Paranoids?

                    Discipline to a child who does not comprehend the reason is wrongful.

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            Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this



            Actually, both of you do. He decides whether he loves you and whether to show you that love. You decide whether his actions constitutes love by your definition and perspective of love

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Well - his love is going to be unrequited in that case. big_smile

              1. Ericdierker profile image78
                Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Irrelevant

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I know, I know - you don't care what I think or want.  Which is why I don't consider it love. I consider it self righteousness. wink

                  1. Ericdierker profile image78
                    Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Mark, you miss that point. I care and when you spit in my eye it hurts but it cannot change the love. My eldest when she was five bit my finger really hard. I did not stop loving her. Nor she me. This is just to illustrate the point.

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                Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I think there is a difference that is often mixed between caring for a person directly and caring for their beliefs, actions, etc.. Like take you and I, for instance. I like to think you respect me as a person even if you do not respect my more irrational principles just like I respect you and I actually respect your lack of belief, even if we disagree on some things. Sometimes it is difficult to separate the two, but it is necessary if we are to communicate effectively

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes. But - I am of the opinion that it is simply not possible to love unconditionally. Which is why no one does it. wink

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                    Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this



                    +1..

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        Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I actually agree with this statement. The debate on what the bible really says and intended has been going on for several hundred years. The translation and retranslation as well as the addition and omission of passages to set out a specific agenda certainly hasn't helped the cause of Christianity.

        1. Ericdierker profile image78
          Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "We" all like to say "Bible based" and indeed in purity that notion is correct. But now we must ask - whose Bible and whose interpretation?
          I think that with so many transliterations and copyrighted versions we have to say. "faith cannot be founded on the words themselves, it must be founded in a Global reading for overall understanding" Do not get me wrong we should all read and meditate on the Scriptures but I suggest staying away from reading them like a law code.

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            Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this



            And I agree with this as well. The issue with this is that it begs the question of whose understanding? We all have different perspectives and understandings of what it is that we are reading. We may agree on some things, but there will always be a difference in understanding what is being read

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      MysticMoonlightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Eric, this is the very reason I have issues with Christians...not Christ...but Christians. Sometimes when I see Christians tell other Christians that they are 'not true Christians' or call other branches of Christian 'not true Christians' I just have to wonder, does anyone really know? Can they really ever know? Until then, why don't ALL Christians just live their Christian life by example as Jesus did. Do not condemn, judge, show intolerance, and do not be self-righteous. It seems so simple but for those that want to paint themselves into the only "proper" category corner, IMO, they are only fooling themselves and come across as anything but Christ-like.

      1. Ericdierker profile image78
        Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It is so hard. But you know what, I think it is designed that way. Like -- Do not be a Preacher man (like me) be a servant like Him! It is just tough.
        And so I fight the battle within me on exactly what you said and I say each day: This is the day that the Lord has made and I shall be glad and rejoice in it.
        We try so hard and fall so short --- yes we should at least lift each other up.

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      delleaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I have to disagree. Professing that "Jesus is Love" and "Love is Jesus" simply doesn't sound any different than the false "God is Love" American preachers during Viet Nam era. This level of thinking is such a discredit to Jesus, because he is so much more than just "love" and love is only a small part of him and his existence! Jesus is Christ, Lord, Logos (the Word), Son of God, Son of Man, Lamb of God, New Adam / Second Adam / Last Adam, Light of the World, King of the Jews, Rabboni and Rabbi... and so much more!

      Yes, love is a part of his attributes, but to preach and teach on the premise that Jesus is more about Love than anything else is incorrect. Jesus was a teacher, teaching good from bad, right from wrong according to God's word in the scriptures, so rather than Jesus practicing "Love" he was in fact practicing "Tough Love". Preaching that just loving Jesus is enough to get to Heaven is false preaching, the gate is small, many will be standing in front of it and not so many will get through it to heavenly eternity.

      I can understand non-believers not believing the complete Bible truth, but I simply cannot understand self-professing believers who don't believe the complete Bible truth. If anyone professes to be a Christian and doesn't agree with core concepts that the Bible teaches us, then the Atheists have a point... why so many various belief differences and denominations? The answer to that question is because denominations have decided to believe, not believe or interpret certain scriptures in their own ways.

      A good comparison for non-believers is Liberals and Democrats... not all Democrats are Liberals and vice-versa, but both are on the same side of the fence, and both disagree with Republicans on 99% of the issues. In the same train of thought, not all Christians believe the same thing, but most Christians should agree with each other on the core concepts of the Bible 99% of the time, if one does not agree with most of the core teachings, then maybe they really aren't Christians at all... maybe they are really a wolf in sheep's clothing, and maybe they shouldn't bother professing to be Christians at all.

      1. Ericdierker profile image78
        Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wonderfully composed and written -- and I feel written in love. I will accept it that way. My core concept is love. What specifically is yours.Matthew 22:
        37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
        I just do not think that leaves a whole lot of room to put other "core concepts" first. But that is just me. I truly loved reading your perspective and appreciate it. I will pray to love it.

  2. janesix profile image61
    janesixposted 4 years ago

    I love Jesus.

    1. Ericdierker profile image78
      Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I love Jesus

  3. Sparklea profile image73
    Sparkleaposted 4 years ago

    After years of making every possible mistake as a Christian, I am ashamed of myself. 

    My sanctimonious behavior has driven away my son and my daughter from God,  resulting in grandchildren who know very little or nothing about God and who have never attended church.

    This breaks my heart.  However, I have to take 100 percent responsibility for behaving like a jerk...marching around the house, driving away the devil...or the car before a vacation...embarrassing my children...I did what the church TOLD me I SHOULD be doing...instead of getting to know God and His Son Jesus Christ on my own.  I transferred "shoulds" and "should nots" onto others...

    Here is one lesson I have learned:

    1)  It is not my TALK.  It's my WALK.  I don't need to go door to door preaching Christ, nor stand on a soapbox in the middle of town square with incessant babbling about what people SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do.  IF I want to give God glory for helping me through multiple trials, I'll do it with my writing. I no longer approach.  I let others approach, on their own, to choose whether or not to read what I share, in writing, about my beliefs.

    All this being said, I no longer go to any church.  I'm still suffering from PTSD from the damage churches have done to me.  However, my faith in God has never wavered.  I will never blame God for the mistakes I have made as a Christian.  He has never failed me in ANY circumstance...many of which I created. 

    I refuse to argue with Christians or non-Christians about the Bible or behaviors of both Christians and non-Christians.  Instead, I can be the manifestation of Christ...daily...by giving the blank page of my day to God, and asking Him to guide me intuitively moment by moment. 

    I repeat:  It is not my talk, it's my walk.  My prayer is that society sees the Light in me, rather than the  pious, prideful, judgmental, hypocritical idiot I was years ago.  It has been a hard, long journey, filled with mistakes, for me to get to this point in my life. 

    One more thing:  to those who are not Christians: I can totally understand why you feel the way you do.
    I get it.  However, I know that I know, if not for God and His Son living through me, my life would be a disaster.  It is God, not the church, that I dare to trust in every aspect of my life.  Blessings, Sparklea

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Speaking of sanctimonious. sad

    2. Ericdierker profile image78
      Ericdierkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Sparlea, thank you for that witness. I do not think it is sanctimonious at all. A non believer hears such a story and they discount you giving credit to God because they cannot believe that part. I understood it. And thank you for sharing it.

      1. Sparklea profile image73
        Sparkleaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Ericdierker: I totally respect anyone's perception of what I shared.  That being said, I so appreciate your note.  SINCERELY, AND THANK YOU!
        Sparklea smile

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      Deepes Mindposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you for sharing

  4. Gypsy Rose Lee profile image62
    Gypsy Rose Leeposted 4 years ago

    I think it's important to never waver on faith. To let the Lord guide you and love others unconditionally the way the Lord does.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Wait - the Lord loves us unconditionally? Since when?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        hate the sin...not the sinner.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Odd. I thought god burned the sinners in a lake of fire. wink

        2. EncephaloiDead profile image61
          EncephaloiDeadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly, which is why non-believers hate the beliefs, not the believers.

  5. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    I think the essence of unconditional love is by definition that it is unconditional.  They don't have to love you back.

 
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