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   accofrancoposted 14 years ago

   Only fools said there is no God,and they only realize the truth on the edge of falling out from the sphere (at death),French philosopher experienced this.But if u insist,try this: fast for at least 7 days,i mean dry fasting,and pray each day asking God to prove to u he exist,then on the last day of your fasting,pray so arogantly,challenging God to prove his existence.Come back and tell me your outcome,i'll tell u what to do.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Only a fool would recommend that people go without food and water for 7 days.

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      sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes god makes a lot of sense when your body and mind is weakened and your in a state of shock.
      
      A stronger test is to sit back with a full body and an open mind and wonder by so many people worship such a sadistic deity. Fear? Starved minds?
      
      I wonder how well this will translate,... you annoy the hell out of me
      
      so thats my outcome, now tell me what to do, oh annoying one

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      RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm starting to see the trend being set here.  You like to stir people up. Good luck with that. 
      
      I value you as a good writer and hubber. But my opinion is this stuff is getting somewhat old.  Not everyone wants to fight, argue or bash.  Thanks.  Just looking out for your best interest.  Is this what you want to base your reputation on?  A shit, pot stirrer? 

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Have done 5 days a few times and the only thing which kept me going was God. He looks after you at all times ,I know he looks after me -simple.
      
      You constantly look after me,
      That is why now I am drinking this tea.
      
      His planning is just too much.

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         sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I tried fasting once, I made it about half a day before I didn't feel very good.  Thank God for telling me it was okay to eat if it hurt that bad... you know hunger pains and all.   
         
         He was like, Sandy... are you crazy, if I wanted you to fast I would withhold your food.   lol

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            Everyday Miraclesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It's amazing... That has happened to me before! I had determined to fast and hunger got the better of me. I was feeling out of sorts and angry and I went to break my fast when I suddenly became nauseated at the smell of food! Needless to say I continued with the fast.
            
            But I've never done a seven day dry fast and I don't think that I would.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I have done it twice - but I was a lot fitter (and weighed much less than I do now) - I would not recommend it unless you work towards it. Bot times I did it I had not eaten meat for at least 6 months before hand.
               
               Did not meet a god either time lol

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               sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Then what happened?  Did you have a revelation?
               
               My revelation was that I didn't need to fast to understand God.  
               
               I am in no way making fun of you but wonder what yours was.

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                  Everyday Miraclesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Nope, definitely no revelations. But I don't know that that's what fasting is about, either. On a personal level, I have never been able to figure out what fasting is supposed to be all about anyway. I know it's supposed to bring us closer to God but I guess I just can't connect with that.
                  
                  Not to say I've never had a revelation. I became a Christian in my sleep lol
                  
                  Oh, and in my "previous life" when I was a pagan, the purpose of fasting was so that you could better enjoy the big feasts

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                     sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     LOL, your funny.    Maybe then you did it for the same reasons Mark did... the closer to death you get I suppose the closer to the ultimate truth you become?  I dunno really.
                     
                     But it would seem like it.  I mean, if you go long enough without food you die and why you wouldn't eat if your hungry and there is food available is probably the same as Mark jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. lol  
                     
                     It is probably true, to better understand your limitations I suppose.  Sucks to be me, I wouldn't jump out of a good working airplane and can't last a day without food. lol.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You are underestimating yourself. I would put money that you could go without food for a lot longer than a day if you had to.
                        
                        About 35 days actually
                        
                        The water is the problem.

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                           sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I am sure I could but wouldn't catch me doing it unless I had not other choice.   I will reserve my fasting experience for when there is no temptation. LOL

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              
                              
                              I wouldn't recommend it if you are well fed. It is a lot easier to work up to if you are already half starved - which I was at the time - self inflicted.
                              
                              I wanted to see how it felt and to learn. About myself and whatever else I could learn about. You already understand god - so no need to learn anything

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                                 sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 LOL- well fed?? naaa I eat just enough to cure the hunger pain.  I figure if I didn't do that then I would be an angry tooth pick!  
                                 
                                 Though I would say that if everyone got something to eat everyday then there would probably not as much fighting, you dig?  I mean Miracles said that she learned it made her irritable.
                                 
                                 What people wouldn't do for food.... well you see what I am saying.

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                                    Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes - I see what you are saying. Unfortunately the world does not work like that. You think the bank CEOs have ever gone without food?
                                    
                                    Once you have enough to eat - there always seems to be something else to fight over. Money. Power. Political gain. Whateva

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                                       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Well that is why I love you Mark!  Besides our differences about God, at least I know we see the same things.

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                                          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          It is what it is - Metaphysics aside. And I think you know my real argument against religions is - they are no better than we atheists or anyone else. They are just as inclined to fight over this stuff as anyone.
                                          
                                          More's the pity.
                                          
                                          The Archbishop of Canterbury is all over the idea that what we need is less materialism and more "love for your fellow man."
                                          
                                          Standing in a building that took two generations of stripping the county bare to build and wearing gold-embroidered, gem-studded  vestments.
                                          
                                          Sheesh. They had their chance and did the same as every one else. Grabbed the goods when they could. Now we should listen?
                                          
                                          Not a hope in hell

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                                             sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Yip, I do.  I always understood your argument.  What can you really say though?  After so many years of mindless pilfering of everything from poor people to slaves and they finally have figured it out and are asking now...
                                             
                                             I just shake my head and call them dumbasses.  lol
                                             wink, wink, nudge, nudge. lol.

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I do not advice anyone to fast ,I advice them to meditate. :)Yet fasting does bring one closer to God.You understand food does give you energy to live but you can live with very little food.Its god who is keeping you alive .
            
            Here I would like to add an interesting story.
            A great sage is giving a sermon and many have come to hear him and seek his blessings.Everyone was listening eagerly except one person who was rummaging about for food.
            
            Some disciples got angry and scolded him saying don't you know you are seeing and hearing a great saint,why don't you sit down quietly like the rest of us this is a rare opportunity.
            To this the master interferes and says first feed him something only then can he meditate.One cannot meditate on an empty stomach.
            Similarly the Buddha says- the middle path.
            
            I like what Sandra said earlier-
            
            He was like, Sandy... are you crazy, if I wanted you to fast I would withhold your food.

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   calebdposted 14 years ago

   Hahahahahaha

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   Leah Wingertposted 14 years ago

   "The fool says in his heart "There is no god."" Psalm 14:1

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      accofrancoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You are the only True believer here. Don't mind them,they will realize the truth on the day of death,by then,it is too late.So what happens next?

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well sunshine - you might want to be careful what you suggest. If you think the only way to hallucinate god is to dry fast for 7 days, if some one takes you up on that and becomes ill - as most Americans are likely to do if they tried this - you could find yourself in court of you ever do get to that disgusting western country.
         
         

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         Leah Wingertposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't mind unbelievers, but neither do I JUDGE THEM! That is not my or your job.  My father was an unbeliever who knew the Bible like a preacher and could RESPECTFULLY argue his point on God, Science and Religion.  We are all guilty of polarizing this situation because of the continued attacks of one faction against another.  It's not about who believes what. Especially in this forum.  It is about what we believe and how we (especially those of us who claim to be the body), react.  From what I see we are reacting badly.  I have seen and read some very disturbing things here.  Especially from "believers".  Learn about the art of Apologetics and evangalism and use scripture to back yourself up.  There is no one here who could shake my faith, because it's been rocked to the core, and it's still here.  Have at it, squabble, argue, act like children on a play ground because that in essence is what this is.  But THINK.  Believers, think about that the unbelievers have said and ponder why they've said it.  For many unbelievers it is us the body of Christ who have caused the most damage, because we do and say and act in ways that are not Christ like.  Unbelievers, if the suggestion makes sense (which fasting for seven days unless you are the Son of God, does not, sorry), think it through is it logical, is it safe, is it sane?    There is no need for us to defend God.  He's pretty good at taking care of himself.

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            gamergirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            From someone who adheres to an alternate form of belief, to you lady, I tip my hat.
            
            Quoted for absolute truth.

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               Leah Wingertposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you, what I see and how people are reacting and saying they are speaking for God makes me wonder if they've picked up a Bible lately.  Chrurches are full of sinners.  Sometimes we tend to forget that.

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         Shil1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't know what happens next - please enlighten me Btw, have you tried fasting for 7 days yourself? Do share your conclusions if you have!!

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   accofrancoposted 14 years ago

   Shil... i am happy and pleased with your question.I must be sincere,i have never fasted up to 7 days because whenever i try,i usually break it along the line by either arguing with people or thinking sinfully but, my mother do fast like that and whenever she does,she normally gets revellations and whoever she laid her hands on (if the person is sick or suffering from anything) always received healings and comfort.And if things are being difficult with you,and she prays for you,then all your problems are gone.Its really beneficial to worship God with true heart,but its always difficult to follow because of sin and temptations,i do tell my mother this and she always said it is always by his grace (referring to God) that we can be able to worship him truly.Thank u for asking,i will tell u more with time.Remain blessed.

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   Everyday Miraclesposted 14 years ago

   Why did you do it, Mark? I mean for what purpose?
   
   While I am a believer, I have to confess that my experience with fasting is only that it makes me incredibly irritable!

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      To see what it felt like. Same reason I have jumped out of airplanes, cycled 1,000 miles in a week, partaken of a sweat lodge, and gone without meat for a year and any number of other things.
      
      How else do you find out about yourself?

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   accofrancoposted 14 years ago

   @ Mark, you are 100% correct.This is exactly what Maslow explained in his theory of hierarchy of needs, as soon as man satisfies his innate (basic) needs,he starts to seek for the more higher ones,which is real and practical. "man does not live by bread alone when the bread is there, but he does when the bread is not there".Keep up with your wonderful debate,i am enjoying it over here,kudos!

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   aka-djposted 14 years ago

   Hey Sandra, I checked out your other project. How's that going. Haven't heard back from you, re your request. Cheers.

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      hmm??? I didn't get anything. 

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         aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I replied to the email that you sent. Your yahoo address(I believe). I replied,and then followed up later to see where you were up to.

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh that would explain it, I hardly ever use my yahoo mail. I will check and see if it is there later.  Sorry bout that.  You were prolly like, how she gonna ask for something and then not reply. lol.  sorry.
            
            

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               aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You wil not BELIEVE what I did think. But it surely was nothing (critical)of you though.
               Sorry, got to go now.

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   Make Moneyposted 14 years ago

   I find that fasting before receiving the Eucharist at Sunday Mass makes my stomach growl.  7 days of intentional fasting, knowing food was available would be brutally hard to do.  Some people do a partial fasting of their favorite foods for Lent or Advent then include giving to charities at the end of the period.  My father used to quit smoking for Lent.  I still haven't been able to accomplish that myself.

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