Can we all just get along???......................Are you breathing???
Yes, I will make this a hub after I am done OK?
I have been a member of HP for long enough to write 30 hubs and have plenty of fans, my "score" always being in the 90's (big deal, some have "told me" to go write a hub, assuming I have not, funny how they are often "trying" to tell me what to do
). Up until recently I had not been in these forums and so when I came here I really had no expectation as to what they would be like. I simply "thought" it would be a place where you could openly, frankly, directly, transparently and FREELY speak your mind without censorship, just like as if we were standing on the corner and talking. Things get heated and people may "get into it", but then go and play baseball together 5 minutes later, go home and sleep on it. 
In 2 weeks I have posted some 700 times using different angles and user names (big deal), so one cannot say "I am NOT involved and consistently here", often being in 5-6 forums at the same time.
'Without censorship"...well, that turned out Not to be true!!!
Bibowen said it best and he talks completely different than I do and so does 'aka dj" or many others here who are believers and that IS the POINT. No matter how any of us talk, you unbelievers find fault with it and start crying and run and report it. "Your not nice enough for me so I am taking my ball and going home." I have NEVER "told" anyone to leave, I have pointed out that they said "I am done talking to you"...and then they return to talk to me. (about 5 of you so far have done it)
BIBOWEN "Whether you are 16 or 66 the advice is still the same. If you don't want to be criticized, called names, ridiculed, jeered, poked, etc. Then don't say anything worth hearing.....If you put your opinion out there, people are going to stomp on it. Stop wearing your feelings on your sleeve. Most of the comments toward you aren't "intolerant"; it's just how people respond when they disagree. Some are more direct, others indirect. Some are highly sarcastic; others, less so. But if you are going to participate in the "opinion-giving" game, you have to develop a tough skin for it.....My opposition only encourages me to think clearer and write better. Take the railing that you receive from your opposition and use it toward your advantage.....There is too much preoccupation with method. The most important thing is what is being said, not how it is delivered. If you have to be softened, coddled, soothed every time you hear something, you are not going to know much that is worth knowing. In fact, your world is going to be a small one.....So if he uses bold print? It's his quarter to spend.....And how did people respond?.....They stopped their ears; they didn't want to hear it. It wasn't sophisticated.....They were "bashed" (my words) for proclaiming an unpopular message to people who had to be verbally stroked before they could listen."
"Wipe your feelings off your sleeves. If you oppose people's views, expect to be hit back. If you don't want to be hit, go bake cookies and then send us all some. I work hard (overtime) never to take the comments personally."
This is a forum the same as any other, any subject people talk about in public is going to be debated, names will be called and I have been called plenty, even one had to be "snipped" because it was so vulgar (Mark), insults hurled and feelings hurt. That is done in the real world just like in here.
If in public I thought you were an idiot I would tell you, or fat or stupid or nice or wise or kind or neat or friendly or crazy or even a fool (if you say that God does NOT exist) or patient or loving or angry or, or, or ??? At least you know where I stand. To think it is one thing, to say it takes courage, weather the opinion is good or bad, do not say one thing and think another.
People who are NOT religious (like myself, I am NOT, never claimed to be, it's a label I do NOT use, I just believe in God) so the ones who do NOT believe come into the forum marked religion and cry about the "religious arguing" that is going on here. How odd, did they expect total agreement? If I were to go into a forum about sports, I would expect gigantic arguments and in fact have, man people get down right bloody vicious, go to blows, start riots and even kill others over a bloody soccer game.
They do the same thing with religion and people think this is God???.....NOT!!!
Sports has become a "religion" to them. God is NOT religion, people make a god "out of" religion!!! Idiots do ALL kinds of things in the name of religion and their little gods they make up. This is NOT God AT ALL and He will tell them He never knew them when they stand before Him soon enough after they expire and are filled with maggots below the daises.
People constantly say "you are jamming it down my throat" or "quit pushing your opinions on me" or "you have no proof" or (my favorite) "you are intolerant" or "you are rude". Again, no matter which believer is talking they tell them the same thing, some more, some less.
Seems like the "unbelievers" have one standard for believers and another for themselves, but they do NOT want anything to do with the standards they have for us. Like in their mind believers should behave a certain way and if they do, then "I will have nothing to do with it" and at the same time they tell us what we are suppose to behave like.
I can have all kinds of talks with all kinds of peoples and they can get very, very heated, but I still can go out and "PLAY BALL" afterwards and help them fix their car or whatever.
The scriptures are NOT about "all inclusive tolerance" anymore than you are. You have plenty of things that you will NOT "tolerate" and you prove it every time you click on "Religion' and many other things in your life to.
Probably a lot of "bottom lines" could be placed here, I will go with this one.
If you like religious discussions, God talk, Bible study, agreements, disagreements, debate, arguments, reasoning (means the same as "to argue") or talking about many gods or just ONE. Then come in here and do it, but don't cry about it, we do NOT offer Kleenex, diapers and bottles. And if you say you are leaving or not coming back, then leave and don't come back, do as you say, don't be double minded.Waaaaah ! No fair !
Please believe what I believe !..
- dennisemattposted 15 years ago
0 - dennisemattposted 15 years ago0
hey. yer back!!! Hi.
Ya miss me
Tis moi, decided to put an up to date one so I reckon that one is as it's an hour old
- who took it?
To be honest, mine is about 2 years old now, but I dont have anyone to take a new one for me.My daughter took it and hey you know that is my fav pic of you so keep it up there, keep a BadCo happy
BadCo, are going to start crying foul when get flagged for your name calling again? Is it really necessary? Come on here...
Mark, glad to read that your still hitting the forums!Chill my good friend I know how far I can go and trust me I will not go past that line
- Your missing the point, do you not do as you say?
If you say "I am leaving, never to return"...do you do that?
Or are you wishey washey
I must be tired or hungry or both because I cant quit
Ok Im going ,but Im coming back ,ive gotta door pass ya see
God I love people! Forest was right
Life is like a box of chocolatesSlap my hand Mama
- Madame Xposted 15 years ago0
Thank you Madame X
Now I will retreat to my foxhole, as I foresee a couple of grenades coming my way ...I agree. Truth is truth, regardless of who speaks it. So often I see people in a religious debate saying the same thing, but from the perspective of their own religion and I gotta wonder ... why can't they just agree and get along?
A fine example ...
One religion believes Jesus was God's son on Earth and they worship what he said while he was here. Another religion believes he was just a prophet, but guess what ... they still believe in what the man said!
So, it made no difference how the man was perceived ... both religions got the same message. And other religions, which don't even believe in Jesus, preach the same philosophies.
So, which is more important ... the message or how we grew to believe in it?
It's a scary thought for many, as they can't concede there can be more than path in life, as they were told any other path would surely lead to damnation.
In my opinion ... the only road to oblivion is failing to consider it all for yourself and then making your own choice, for if you allow someone to make it for you then you aren't taking an active role in your beliefs.Great points made here. And nobody was foolishly playing a fool's fool- a very nice relief.
"they still believe in what the man said!"
With all respect due The Messiah of God. He said He was and is God and so if one picks out His teachings and yet does not believe He is in very fact GOD...then they do not believe ALL of His teachings and cannot say they believe in Him.
But they can say they believe in everything that He said except that He is GOD.
"both religions got the same message."
His message was and is "I AM GOD and I AM the I AM (YaHVaH) and I AM the Savior of the world and there is NO other but Me"
That is His message and the foundation of ALL of His teachings.
He came 1 time, NOT several times, He came and was the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world and raised Himself from the dead.
He did NOT come but ONCE.El Elyone, I respect your point of view, but I was speaking upon a level that anyone could understand ... and not just Christians.
Muslims do not see Christ as the son of God, but they believe in his teachings. Hindus do not see Christ as the son of God, but they also believe in his teachings. Both religions have their version of the bible, and both swear that all words come directly from God.
So, if we are to concede that only one could be write, then we would show a tendancy to lean toward the Hindus and the Muslims, as they vote over the Christians two to one ... and let's not forget those of the Jewish fate, who believe the Messiah is yet to come ... making it three to one.
But this is not what I am here to debate ...
What I am here to debate is this ... What harm is it in someone believing differently than you? Why the need to prove others wrong when it's just as simple to accept they believe differently?
Note, I did *not* say that *I* think Christ wasn't the son of God, nor will I, as I can't prove it anymore than I can disprove it.
If your purpose is to enlighten others, then simply by stating *I believe ...* and stating your beliefs, you are adding enlightenment. By saying someone is wrong for beliefs that differ from yours, you are suppressing their beliefs.
To my knowledge a religious forum exists for people to discuss their beliefs and get a view of how others see things - not to pick apart the beliefs of others as if they were a false idol in your presence.
And in case you are wondering, I have no quarrel with you, I'm only pointing out why some people have an adverse reaction to what you have to say.
Provided you could deliver your message in a less provocative manner, I would certainly lend you my eyes as an audience.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
It seems like you are addressing me and if I am wrong forgive me please.
Yeah, I did NOT write the thread because they bother me at all and yes, I have not reported anyone. I just get sharpened by it all.
I wrote it to say that if they do NOT like the heat, do not jump in the fire.
NO Mark, wrong!
It is NOT "my way"
I do not own it, Messiah does, argue with Messiah not me.
I just say what He said.Please quote me saying any of those things. I did not say any of them. Which makes you a liar.
The particular thread is closed now, the one where you called me a C * * T....and told me "NEVER TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN"
You even admitted it in other threads to Mark.
So.....you were saying, he is a liar?Please go ahead and quote me calling you a c***..
I believe I asked why you came across as such a c*** in another persona you choose to hide behind. The one with the dead dog's head tied around your neck...... Not this persona.
And I did not say I will "NEVER SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN."
Go ahead and quote me - nothing gets deleted and we can all see it if you add a link.
Still - maybe one day you can learn honesty? Unlikely, but who knows?
Do not send me any more personal emails, C***.Guess you are unable to read either huh?
No "twits" or "irrelevant" here.............
A liar - a real christian. Just like you. Thanks - I love you for persuading me your religion is worthless.
ciaoBibowen mention those by name, he also said the others he "could not mention"....yours was one of them Mark.
You have in fact said you are done with me and then returned because as you say "it is my mission"
Recall that one Mark?Can you even read? Scroll up dude.
At least you have stopped using the blue ink to convince people not to join your cult. Thanks again. I really appreciate you reminding me. How many have you turned away? What exactly do you think you are achieving here? I mean - thanks for everything, but I wonder what you are really trying to achieve? Other than a fight - which seems to be the ultimate goal of your irrational beliefs.....
And historically - that is all it is good for. Making liars and politicians and wars. Oh well, at least you have stopped sending me your crap by personal emails. I wish I had never helped you when you asked me to. Is that what you wanted? To get me to stop helping people when they ask me for help?
Like it says in the bible?................
I am more than blessed to be hated on account of repeating what Messiah said.
Many are of the opinion that a believer can defend his belief's but, ONLY to a certain point and they to be sure will "tell you" where that is, and yet I DO NOT see any line. I will speak them until I die, either by the hands of evil men or by natural cause should He tarry.
If I were in a fighting match, I am NOT one to "tap out"
Paul fought with wild animals to defend his faith, some men are pretty wild.
And thank you for the kind words of encouragement sir. I respect what you are and what you believe and what you say. We talk totally different and yet are both treated the same.
This is the 3rd time you have given out good, wise reasoning about this matter and I really appreciate it. Thanks a lot!!! I am sure you would do it for anyone else too.
Shalom brother!!!
Well I am glad you listened to one of them, not all of them are the same, so maybe hearing more you will find something else, I think 22 are on there. Glad you found them constructed well also. The construction happens spontaneously and I simply yield to what I am hearing inside and record the melodies all just by singing it on the spot, nothing is figured out or thought about really, just whatever comes out.
So I cannot take any credit because I just hear it and sing it. Then it is transcribed for piano.
I will go and listen to your playing.
I also asked you "why" you would want to take even a moment of your time to read what a "twit" has to say and never got an answer.
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago0
"They stopped their ears; they didn't want to hear it. It wasn't sophisticated.....They were "bashed" (my words) for proclaiming an unpopular message to people who had to be verbally stroked before they could listen."
Yeah, well, I'm sorry about that, but I'm just attracted to writers who can write well, somewhat succinctly,, and have something to say that I don't consider 'bilge.' In whatever forums; about whatever issue.
Sorry to say, but your forum posts don't really fit that description. No problem...I'm sure countless people find you fascinating! And actually read all that... stuff.Bilge is a lovely word
- sandra rinckposted 15 years ago0
Well, that is very hateful of you. I gather that not believing in their irrational belief system is hateful - at least according to bibowen. He also seems to think that atheists cannot develop morals and the "atheist mindset," means you would probably like to see children eaten by lions - like when the poor innocent christians were fed to the lions by the Roman atheists.
You have to laugh at them, otherwise you would end up feeding them to lions. - I mean - if some one doesn't want people to laugh at their beliefs, they shouldn't have such funny beliefs. I NEVER would even entertain this idea quoted below and "IF" I really said it, where is your proof and why did you NOT immediately point it out on that day?
"which he/she also states in other threads that the Messiah is not god but turns around and says that the messiah is god."
Don't you NOT think that if everyone else (esp. believers) who are reading would have bounced on me for such a stupid statement?
They told Messiah "you have demons'....so your small minded comments mean NOTHING TO ME and I reprove you openly for stating I said any such thing young lady!!!
I have "on purpose" taken on these forums from multiple directions and made an attempt to get responses based on any number of them. So it was done on purpose, not out of delusion. An experiment of sorts.
I clearly gave the mind of God and repeated His words when doing so and then when speaking my opinions, that was just as clear.
Nobody said "you are lying in the name of God"...why?...because what I said was taken right out of His own mouth so they could find NO fault.
I think anyone in their right mind could see I was doing and experiment and now the experiment is over.
I still speak HIS words, just not in the 1st person. Even though Earnest said it was the 3rd person. You'd think he knew the difference.
I can come in here and "on purpose" be whoever I want to be in order to find out how you all treat someone and what business is it of yours yours lady? If you had an angel visit you and eat lunch with you and spent the day hanging out, you would not even know it unless he "Revealed Himself" to you openly. And he would have done it just to see how you treat a stranger dear.
AND WHAT??? Do you really think that God could NOT operate a computure and communicate to you on one if He wanted to?
I wanted to find out if people would talk "to God" any differently than to me. And you know what, when He came to earth in the likeness of mankind, they talked to Him the same way as you all did right here.
Because they HATE Him!!!!!
Here are some more things about FOOLS. The scripture is full of these saying, lots of FOOLS running around then and NOW.
Proverbs 19:29
The irreverent have to learn reverence the hard way; only a slap in the face brings fools to attention.
Proverbs 26:1
We no more give honors to fools than pray for snow in summer or rain during harvest.
Proverbs 26:8
Putting a fool in a place of honor is like setting a mud brick on a marble column.
Proverbs 26:11
As a dog eats its own vomit, so fools recycle silliness.
Proverbs 27:3
Carrying a log across your shoulders while you're hefting a boulder with your arms Is nothing compared to the burden of putting up with a fool.
Psalm 14:1
For the director of music. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
Proverbs 1:7
Start with God—the first step in learning is bowing down to God; only fools thumb their noses at such wisdom and learning.
Proverbs 12:15
Fools are headstrong and do what they like; wise people take advice.
Proverbs 13:16
A commonsense person lives good sense; fools litter the country with silliness.
Proverbs 14:16
The wise watch their steps and avoid evil; fools are headstrong and reckless.
Proverbs 14:24
The wise accumulate wisdom; fools get stupider by the day.
Proverbs 14:33
Lady Wisdom is at home in an understanding heart— fools never even get to say hello.
Proverbs 17:12
Better to meet a grizzly robbed of her cubs than a fool hellbent on folly.
Proverbs 17:16
What's this? Fools out shopping for wisdom! They wouldn't recognize it if they saw it!And they all apply 2 u !
Now that is an appropriate response right there.
Very, very lovely Paraglider and I wish it was longer.
Thanks
It's just meant as a sample, to show the ancient guitar has life in it still!I just came from you hub. Left you a message there with a request for more.
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