PRE MARITAL SEX and SATAN'S HANDIWORK

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   video lostposted 14 years ago

   PEOPLE!
   
   Adultry and homosexuality are fobidden by Allah, so please refrain from these kind of filthiness. It's also bad for your health, social and economic lives as per modern researches.
   
   Qur'an, Surah 17. Isra', The Night Journey, Children Of Israel
   
   V 31. Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.
   V 32. Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
   
   Qur'an, Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread
   
   V 90. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
   
   V 91. Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      best forum title ever.
      
      p.s. not to worry...i think sex is kind of boring, actually...i'd rather shop.
      
      ok , maybe hold hands, or cuddle and kiss. all the rest is kind of icky.

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   Oh boy. Is your name mohamed by any chance?

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      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      why you even bothered to reply, you are not interested.

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   A Texanposted 14 years ago

   If the Quran is against it then I'm all for it!

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   Because it is in family, it is about sex, it is telling me I'm doing something wrong, and I think you're wrong for telling me so.
   Now goodnight.

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      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      how am i wrong ???

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   Because you're trying to tell people what to do. And that isn't your place. You don't have a right to do so. I think you should mind your own business. You'll find no one wants to listen to something that is forced on them.

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      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Noting is forced on them just presented and by the way it's a forum, do you know the definition of forum ???
      
      If people are not interested then they will not reply or do not even open my post and if you are not interested then go to sleep.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago

   This is usmanali who has already been banned once.
   
   Lying is OK with Allah apparently.

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      Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If lying is OK with Allah...is lying with Allah OK? 
      
      If Usmanali falls in the forest, does anybody listen?

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      rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      My Turkish Muslim friends didn't seem to have much of a problem with adultery either.  Maybe Turkish Muslim Allah is more lenient. 
      
      I’m gonna go in favor of premarital sex to help cut down on adultery.  Wouldn't buy a car without trying it out... And if I tryout a “car” and know right away that it's not the model for me, wouldn’t that be a good thing?

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         Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         So long as you remember anything with tits or wheels are gonna give you stress

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   I figured. There's no point. Babble on with your thoughts, no one is listening.

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      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i think you are

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      Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ah!  Our posts "crossed in the mail"!  You answered my question:  Nobody is listening!

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   And you make me happy that I don't believe as you do. Mission accomplished right?

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      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i dont think so

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         Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         "I think not, therefore I quote."
         
         (Attributed to Allah's Apostate in Porkchop Publications)
         
         Ah, sorry, Mark--didn't notice you listening there.  He does sound kind of gay, as my stepson would put it.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL
      
      I am listening. And he is proving to me that his irrational beliefs are garbage and his invisible super being does not exist.
      
      Many of the muslims I know are homosexual so I guess this one is just trying to stop his natural tendencies.
      
      A lot of people have told me usmanali is a homosexual so that sounds true.

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   emievilposted 14 years ago

   sorry I just can't resist - where's the passage for homosexuality?

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      Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm guessing it's around back. 

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         wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         This is getting to be the best thread.  LMAO!!! 

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            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            it is amazing how many homophobes are also homosexual but repressed.

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         emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         LOL

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      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind. And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime! (Qur'an, Surat al-A‘raf: 80-84)

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    Colebabieposted 14 years ago

    Well good night gentlemen. I'm going to go have premarital sex, then tomorrow I'm hanging out with my homosexual friends, at the beach, in a bikini. Ciao!

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Good lord, I love you Cole. 

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          Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I love you too. Maybe he'll think I'm a lesbian? Oh well...

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             wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             You've spoken with this gentleman before.  You flashed him a choice bikini view, remember?

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                Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah I remember. He said I was putting myself at risk for getting raped.

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                   wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   You've been wearing robes to the beach now, huh?  No tan for you...  Your tan lines must be pretty horrific.  I've taken to hanging out at nude beaches, meself.

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                      Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Can I join you? Haha. I'm logging off now. Seriously this time Have a good night everyone

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       Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       'Night, Cole.  Say Hi to that cute transgender for me.

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          Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I will

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    Pearldiverposted 14 years ago

    You Know What they say: "Envy is a Green Eyed Monster!"
    How Sad... So Many Phobias are created by lack of Pre-Marital Sex With a Hot Devil..
    
    Gotta Love the Envious Ones!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Goodnight Colebabie.
    
    This is how we dress in Australia. This is me many years ago in conservative Melbourne.
    
    
    
    
    
    I can still dress like that in Australia.

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Whistling sounds of "Whit Whoo!"  Earnest, you're still a hottie.    I would've sinned premaritally with you.

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       emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       . where's the second half of the pic?

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          wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          emie- LMAO.  Had the same thought. 

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          video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL
          
          may be his second half is evolved into some weird kind of thing,

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I would blush if I were shy. Some did!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Here is the other half, just a different photo.
    
    

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Congrats on the nomination, earnest.  Making the "A List" and all...

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Young, fit, rich. How some things change!

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    wordscribe41posted 14 years ago

    Here's a funny one for you, Earnest.  I'm in the middle.  Note the piece of gum in the mouth.  Had premarital sex that night with person not pictured.    It was a Woodstock party... 

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    You are one very beautiful female!
    Woodstock was a major blast! I wonder how many others got lucky that night!

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    wordscribe41posted 14 years ago

    College party.  A little to young for the real thing.  But, I'd say lots of dudes and dudesses got lucky that night.    I'm not as cute anymore... 

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       But more beautiful.

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          wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          

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    frogdroppingposted 14 years ago

    Oh boy. I'm a sinner for sure. Over and again. Save me someone please

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    badcompany99posted 14 years ago

    Damn you all, I ain't getting any of Satans Handywork, woe is me I may head to the religious Forums now !

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It's where it's happnin' BC.

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          badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          It's too fiery in there though and I am a shy guy

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          badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Btw ya look way sexier now

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             wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Drinking days, BC... Did ya notice the gum in my mouth?  Very sexy I say.    Thanks for the compliment.  As long as you don't say I'm a "handsome" woman it's all good.  HATE that expression....  Sexy I can live with.

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                badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Handsome ain't one of my words, you looking sexy was my polite version

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    marcofratelliposted 14 years ago

    I'm Christian and have been good so far. But now seeing that photo of wordscribe41 I'm not so sure... LOL

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       badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If it's not the Lions it's Loins !

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'll keep our little rhyming night a secret, marco.  No worries, my lips are SEALED. 

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    Ohhhh WS you look like an actress ,on the tip of my tongue..
    
    and I bet you do look cute ,cute with experience ,lol

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That's a great phrase, Eaglekiwi.  It fits in so many, many ways...    I actually really enjoy getting older, wouldn't go back to my 20's for anything.  I'm a LOT happier now.

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Oh I hear that , for women (IMO) It just feels so much more liberating somehow naughty 40's n all that.

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       badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       On the tip of the tongue, so tempted to reply to that

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Spit it out badco , if you dare

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             badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Spit it out, jeeez ya deff are setting them up for me

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    emievilposted 14 years ago

    jeez, I just left three hours ago for my class, when I came back earnest and WS posted two different pics, EK and marco commented and now BC, er spit it out man. LOL

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       badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I will have ya know I swallow ok

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          smokenchicposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          YIKES!!!

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          emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          ROFL <===== my husband is going to think I'm crazy

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          ewww badco such a guy thing ,I bet ya sucked a raw egg clean outta its shell too ,boys!

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             badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             We could test that theory out ya know

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    I did not have sex with that woman

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    badcompany99posted 14 years ago

    Omg my gay secret is out, oh well like I care, was sodden dark in the damn closet !

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    Shoulda woulda coulda
    
    I gotta craving for pancakes,and fresh coffee ,no sucking activites scheduled today

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       smokenchicposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       could ya throw some scrambled eggs in with that breakfast no raw please....lol

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       emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       EK, can you save some for me? Breakfast here is like 10 hours away still .

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          Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Placed batter in the fridge for you my friend , how do ya like ya eggs ...hey Em where are you at again ( sorry memory like a sieve here)...

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             emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Philippines . Eggs, I love them sunny-side up, the more raw the egg yolk, the better. LOL

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                Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Woohooooo life on the edge huh , you got it sunny side up yep I did remember now that ya said Philippines, sometimes I get the forgetty's

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                   emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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    andromidaposted 14 years ago

    I have never seen  satan.Why to blame him always.It's our greed and hunger which eventually lead us to path what we choose to follow.Everyone is unique and no one gonna get a second chance to come back to this world. Do you really think we need to blame satan for the choices we make in our life.We all are conscious and intelligent enough to make any decision about anything, we do not need anymore reference or anything.If someone thinks adultery is bad then its bad to him.Maybe some find pre-marital sex is good for them.The main thing is we are slave of our habits,what I am habituated with might turn out to be a sin to others.We should let everyone live the way he or she wanna live,by birth we all  are free.There is nothing which restrain us from doing anything bad or good.If everyone take responsibility for his own actions then there won't be any problem.We all know what is right and what is wrong from our own perspective and at the same time we need to make sure that own perspective should not try to change that of others.Of course, this is just my personal opinion.

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       Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And a fine opinion it is too though I was rather hoping I could blame the extra pounds on you know who ,hehe.

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       video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Which is totally wrong. If you are at wrong then i am bound to fix you up or atleast present you what is right and what is wrong. Then after that choose for yourself. When you become ill and visit a doctor you dont say i will write the medicine of my own choice on the prescription because i know what is right and what is wrong. Similarly Allah, who created you knows much better about you and your society. That's the reason he sent down the final instruction manual - QUR'AN for you to follow other wise there will by chaos as you see around you now a days.

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          andromidaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Why do you think that you are bound to fix me,you are not a prophet.Yet, I like your attitude,maybe be your interest are genuine.I would like to request you to invest your time n energy in some volunteer work like any humanitarian type of works,you will do better.Still there are many kids in this world dying without foods,suffering severely from malnutrition.
          Please help them.Trying to fix me up won't solve any problem rather increase the volume of problem.Why to create more problems for this world.Wish you good luck.

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    Em I gotta take off ,so you probably be sleepin an dreaming about pancakes and premarital sex by the time I get back j/k have a great sleep ,bfn

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       emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Bye Eaglekiwi .

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    More proof, (if any was needed) that you do not read the posts!

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    Earnest!
    I can't help but notice the red tinge to your photo.
    Are you by any chance SATAN ???

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Apparently.
       If you ain't with em your agin em!

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       Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Noooo....  Actually, why am I seeing something of a bearded, red-tinted Richard Gere?  lol
       
       

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Can I frame this?

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    A little about that god and what is taught may help too!
    
    Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”
    
    Nice stuff!

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       video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Again you lied by quoting out of context. The context is
       
       Qur'an, Ch 3 - THE FAMILY OF IMRAN, V 55-57
       55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
       56. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
       57. "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."

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          wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Ummm, same thing, same message... out of context or not.

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It is only "out of context" when someone else quotes it! ... and abreviated or not, as you point out the meaning is still there!

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             Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Uhh when you take it out of context its no longer the same message....its kinda obvious when you read it......lol

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                wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                LOL  Sure it is:  reject me and I will torture you now and for all eternity.  How lovely.

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                   earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Sure it is. Just that somehow the hate and loathing is invisible to some, for fear of understanding their own responsibilities I suppose.

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                   Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   haha the one thing that is really important in islam is your belief in ALLAH (GOD) seriously if you were God and your creation did not believe you existed would you honestly let him/her enter paradise?? You send down messengers, signs, everything and they dont listen and scoff at those who try to show them the truth.......what would you do? thats how i see it anyway same thing with christianity....what about the crusades, the missionaries etc....the ones that came to America and tried to convert the native americans if they didnt then they got killed.....
                   
                   Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
                   56. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
                   57. "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but ALLAH LOVETH NOT THOSE WHO DO WRONG."

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    Pearldiverposted 14 years ago

    Why do intelligent real people put up with this Crap?
    
    Video Lost... Write a Hub! Contribute something positive to this world. If you need help with putting the words together; then get a real education first... Surely you don't want to be seen by your maker as being: Just a FreeLoader!

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

    hI pearl diver found any pearls lately

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Sura 5:32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief (corruption) in the land it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then there came to them Our apostles with clear Signs yet even after that many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
    
    Is this out of context too? Muslims always abbreviate this passage to read
    
    "If anyone slew a person … it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people."
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       Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       well that kind of sounds like someone getting the death penalty for murdering someone or spreading mischief as in causing all kinds of crimes etc.....would you want a serial killer on the loose or something? Many of our states dont have a problem with capital punishment and that is what the sura is basically saying when i read it. It is basically saying that its wrong to kill an innocent, and when you do, its as if you are killing all of humanity....and when you save even one life it is as if you save all of humanity...so basically the idiots who go out and kill innocents are allowed to get a punishment such as death such as what some criminals get capital punishment.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Read it again. It clearly condones murder with a definition broad enough to kill whoever you like!

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       Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       no not really, killing whoever means that you would be adding innocent people in the mix.......what the sura said as you have used it yourself, it says "We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person UNLESS IT BE FOR MURDER OR FOR SPREADING MISCHIEF (corruption) in the land it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then there came to them Our apostles with clear Signs yet even after that many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
       
       
       it seems that you skip that part and go straight to the killing, if you read that properly then it does not mean go kill whoever you like, or else pretty much 1.6 billion of the worlds population would be killing whoever they want wouldnt it? and all those people would be muslim wouldnt they?
       
       I am just stating what is obvious to me I by no means want to offend anyone on here and i want to make that clear, because we are talking about a heated topic(religion) people do get offended and defensive easily but I am just stating what is clear to me and i take into consideration everyones views and opinions

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The sentence in the quoran is as above and includes this:
          UNLESS IT BE FOR MURDER OR FOR SPREADING MISCHIEF (corruption) As I said a broad enough description to include anyone. Who gets to decide what "mischief" is?

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             Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             well it does include murder in that sentence as well.murder is not a petty crime, and so if mischief is used in the same clause as murder then it is obviously not going to be some petty pickpocketing crime....plz we dont live in the stone ages and pretty much most countries do have a court system....who decides capital punishment? you think God would be like ohh you people on earth should kill this 15 yr old for stealing money to feed his hungrey family?? it has to be a great enough crime to deserve that punishment..... and Islam  is not an unfair religion there are witnesses, and all that stuff, its not like someone accuses you and you die.....

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    If I were god I would not be a psychopath.
    You do not see anything offensive in these threats? You must be blind!

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       Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       uhh if you were someone who was going around causing nothing but problems and mischief for everyone around you....no i dont find these threats offensive because I'm not the one causing people pain and hurt and suffering........
       
       LOL @ psychopath haha what would make God psychopath ?? LOL
       
       
       and no im not blind if i were blind i wouldnt be answering directly to your posts hah

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          wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          So, not believing in Allah means you're causing "problems and mischief" then?  I don't believe and I do nothing of the sort.  That doesn't mean I should be tortured,  good grief.
          
          Thus, the word "psychopath".

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    You as a woman do not find this unfair?
    
    Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.
    
    Plain enough.

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       wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       WHOA...  Hadn't seen that CHOICE one yet.  But, I guess it's okay because it says:  "but not severly"  (insert sarcasm here).

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          Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The thing is that people of the book will all have their reward with their Lord on the day of judgement everything you have done good and bad will be weighed...if you have been good then yh you will get your reward, those who believe in Allah (GOD)

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       video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The beauty of Islam is that it’s literature is well organized and perfectly structed. First, we have the word of Allah – Qur’an, secondly, we have Hadith (Traditions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)) which are further divided into Authentic and Unauthentic Hadiths. Various Hadiths of Tabari like the one you mentioned is unauthentic. The Christian Missionaries like Salman Rushdie and William Muir used these type unauthentic Hadiths + Qur’anic verses out of context in order to obtain their evil objectves of degrading Islam. Imam Tabari wrote a book Tareekh e Tabari which is actually a book of history and not of Hadith including Authentic and Unauthentic Hadiths alike. As Imam Tabari was not a Muhadith (Scholar of Hadith) and a Muhadith is a specialized islamic scholar who is well aware of Authentic and Unauthentic Hadiths especially on the basis of Isnads (chain of transmitters) of a particular Hadith.  That’s the reason Tabari just compiled both type of Hadiths in his book of history in chronological order but did not authenticate them nor did he claim that. Tabari left the job of entitling them as authentic or unauthentic for Muhaditheen. Following is the quotation of Tabari himself for making account more clear. Tabari says in a disclaimer in the introduction of his book:
       
       I shall likewise mention those (narrators) who came after them, giving additional information about them. I do this so that it can be clarified whose transmission (of traditions) is praised and whose information is transmitted, whose transmission is to be rejected and whose transmission is to be disregarded…The reader should know that with respect to all I have mentioned and made it a condition to set down in this book of mine, I rely upon traditions and reports which have been transmitted and which I attribute to their transmitters. I rely only very rarely upon (my own) rationality and internal thought processes. For no knowledge of the history of men of the past and of recent men and events is attainable by those who were not able to observe them and did not live in their time, except through information and transmission produced by informants and transmitters. This knowledge cannot be brought out by reason or produced by internal thought processes. This book of mine may contain some information mentioned by me on the authority of certain men of the past, which the reader may disapprove of and the listener may find detestable, because he can find nothing sound and no real meaning in it. In such cases, he should know that it is not my fault that such information comes to him, but the fault of someone who transmitted it to me. I have merely reported it as it was reported to me. (Tareekh at-Tabari, Vol.1, Introduction)

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    Fountain of Infoposted 14 years ago

    first of all there are plenty of non muslim men beating their wives, i have heard stories etc first hand which is quite sad...... second of all “As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).”
    
    
    I am a woman and I do not find this particular passage offending or unfair because what I have read in the Quran women and men are equal, what I have witnessed and read is that the proper muslim husband takes care of his wife and such conduct rarely if ever is acted out. I also wanted to point out on the whole enjoyment of bodies, The woman has to be willing to share her body with her husband he is not allowed to forcefully do anything with her and that is in the Quran as well,the woman has her rights...

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       i find it very sad that you can accept this and the other hate filled passages in the quoran. The bible is no better. If any man decided to "beat them lightly" in my presence I would call the police who would prosecute the offender!

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          Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          you honestly think that I would let a man beat me?!! lol hell no i wouldnt, no one better dare raise a finger on me......i do disagree with you about the hate filled messages, like the one about murder, we read the same passage yet we came out with different opinions .....to each their own i guess

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          video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL
          
          So for that you will call the police but when you see a white man raping a black innocent in subway, you will stand beside with your fellows to enjoy. Even if the rapist is caught by the police, he will be left after 4 or six years imprisonment and then he will be doing the same to amuse you and making you proud of the increasing number of rapes in your Freemasonic societies.

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             wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Where on EARTH did you get the information someone would stand by and watch?  WRONG!

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                video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                you people do it almost on regular basis. Philadelphia and New York down town streets are the most popular

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                   wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Got that from the National Enquirer, did you?

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                      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      LOL
                      
                      The only ultimate enquirer

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    Fountain of Infoposted 14 years ago

    Oh and by the way..since everyone on here probably thinks that muslims think and say that everyone who is not muslim will be going to hell.....well you know what.even muslims will go to hell.......there are those who have not been good, followed the Quran etc. just because your muslim your not saved, it doesnt mean believe in Allah then go around doing all the bad you want in the world......those people who do good, give alms, pray, abstain from wrong etc, and in the end only Allah knows what is truly in ones heart

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    How do you interpret these passages, or is it ok to feel that way about non Muslims?
    
    Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
    Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
    NOTE: By ‘guarding carefully’, a Muslim should deceive the infidel. Acting as a friend is fine as long as it is to benefit the Muslim and protect Islam.
    
    Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”
    
    Nice god!

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       Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I have plenty of non muslim friends, they drink , have premarital sex, do a whole bunch of stuff that i dont basically but that "gaurd oneself carefully" to me means protect your beliefs and dont succumb to the pressures of your peers and society is all....like when ur with a group of ur friends, they offer your drugs..what would you do? i personally am against drugs so i will gaurd my beliefs and refuse...simple as that ....oh and by the way using someone for ones own gain is never good, not good morals,Islam promotes good morals and i dont ACT like a friend I AM a friend.......

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          That's all well and good. How could you just skip over "kill them"

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          wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          But, how does that address these passages Earnest cited?

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             wordscribe41posted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                LOL
                
                earnest is lying and lying is one of the greatest miracles of Freemasonry and Zionism. 
                
                Qur'an, Ch 9 - REPENTANCE, V 123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

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                Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Earnest first of all didnt quote the whole verse dear, only part of it,
                
                but alas, I shall address the passage anyhow, I addressed his last question it seems, but I will go ahead and address the other ones as well, the last one just stood out to me the most thats all... mabye cuz i went out with my friends for dinner lol anyway back to the topic at hand
                
                Sura 9 Verse 123 : Believers, fight the atheists near you, and let them find severity in you. And know that God is with the conscientious. 124: Whenever a chapter is revealed, some of them say, "which of you is increased in faith by this?" in the case of those who believe, it increases their faith, and they rejoice.125: As for those with sickness in their hearts, it will add doubt to their doubt, and they will die as atheists. anyway it goes on and it makes plenty of sense, you have to know that it is not physical fighting and killing......and thats a whole other topic.
                
                Sura 3 Verse 28: Believers are not to take scoffers for friends instead of believers;if anyone does that, then there is nothing from God, except that you may be wary of them. And God warns you of God;and journey is to God.
                
                There are amazing suras and verses in here.....by the way what exact source is Earnestshub getting his verses from anyway??? links or anything?? I want to see the exact passage he gets them from to be honest .......

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                   earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I have provided the passages ant the source is simple enough. My two versions of the quoran in english, and no, they are not mistranslated as you may claim.

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                      video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      yes they are rather it seems they are translated by you. Dispose them off. Pick up the world famous english translations either by Abdullah yousaf Ali or by Sahih International. In addition to transaltions it will be much better if you pick up the ones with detailed commentries (explainations) in it.

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    wordscribe41posted 14 years ago

    Quran, An-Nisa 4:34 - "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."

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       video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Here is the context and explaination of that verse.
       
       Qur'an, Ch 4 - THE WOMEN, V 34 Men are the protectors(545) and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband´s) absence what Allah would have them guard.(546) As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first),(547) (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly);(547-A) but if they return to obedience, seek not against them(548) Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
       
       545 Qawwam: one who stands firm in another's business, protects his interests, and looks after his affairs; or it may be, standing firm in his own business, managing affairs, with a steady purpose ( Cf. 4:135 and 2:228).
       
       546 Or the sentence may be rendered: "and protect (the husband's interests) in his absence, as Allah has protected them. If we take the rendering as in the text, the meaning is: the good wife is obedient and harmonious in her husband's presence, and in his absence guards his reputation and property and her own virtue, as ordained by Allah. If we take the rendering as in the note, we reach the same result in a different way: the good wife, in her husband's absence, remembering how Allah has given her a sheltered position, does everything to justify that position by guarding her own virtue and his reputation and property.
       
       547 In case of family jars four steps are mentioned, to be taken in that order: (1) perhaps verbal advice or admonition may be sufficient; (2) if not, sex relations may be suspended; (3) if this is not sufficient, some slight physical correction may be administered; but Imam Shafi'i considers this inadvisable, though permissible, and all authorities are unanimous in deprecating any sort of cruelty, even of the nagging kind, as mentioned in the next clause; (4)-if all this fails, a family council is
       recommended in 4:35 below.
       
       547 547-A . The word "daraba" is used in the Qur'an with about 17 different meanings including avoid, separate, leave, travel etc. The Qur'an is best interpreted through the deeds and sayings of the Prophet. The fact that the Prophet never battered or spanked any wife and detested any such action, gives credence that the meaning intended here by "wadribuhunna" is to stay away from a discordant wife in the hope that this will let her realize an impending separation and divorce. (Eds.)
       
       548 Temper, nagging, sarcasm, speaking at each other in other people's presence, reverting to past faults which should be forgiven and forgotten-all this is forbidden. And the reason given is characteristic of Islam. You must live all your life as in the presence of Allah, Who is high above us, but Who watches over us. How petty and contemptible will our little squabbles appear in His presence!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I am aware of the apologists for islam changing the quoran to be better accepted.
    
    Suras 9 and 5, the most violent and vile of Suras are the last spoken by Muhammad, and they abrogate all previous verses in conflict with them.

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       video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Your ignorance clearly reveals you are from dark ages and crusaders

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Same pathetic stuff. Your mummy wears army boots! Wot tha?

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    wordscribe41posted 14 years ago

    Guess you have some horny, "slightly" bruised women over there, then...

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    Pearldiverposted 14 years ago

    Video Lost wrote:
    
    "Your ignorance clearly reveals you are from dark ages and crusaders"
    ---------------
    
    Wasn't the year 1099 a great year in Jeruselem?
    
    A Perfect example of the differences of religious points of veiw.
    
    You have come along way Video Lost quoting the Crusades.... 910 years on... you echo the same old, same old Bleat:
    Could the ignorance be your own?
    (Probably don't know what I'm talking about.).

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    No version can clean up the mess. Same with the bible. You can't take a book full of hate and make it say something else no matter how you try to worm out!

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    shinujohn2008posted 14 years ago

    It is not good to live with all worse women and extra marital relations and put all curse on the poor satan

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       Fountain of Infoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       poor satan LOL ohh plz you honestly think satan will be thinking ohhh poor human that has been led astray......satan is like a bad conscious telling you to have that extra marital affairs etc i mean you definitely are a thinking rational being but not everyone can overcome temptation ...Satan uses that to his advantage.

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