Are we to boldly proclaim our faith/beliefs as christians?

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   atomswifeyposted 15 years ago

   simple question

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      chukra Gposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      no need at all

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         atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         that answer is contrary to scripture
         
         ‘When the Holy Spirit comes on you… you will be My witnesses… to the ends of the earth’ (Acts 1:8).
         
         He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. (mark 16:15)

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            Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            "you will be my witnesses".  Witness how Christ shared love with all people.
            
            "preach the good news".  This includes loving one another as Christ has loved you.

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               atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               How did christ share His love in this :
               "Mark 9:43-48 - Jesus speaking - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched
               
               44/ Where their worm dieth not, and the fire not quenched.
               
               45/ And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
               
               46/ Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
               
               47/ And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
               
               48/ Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
               
               And if He were here right now in this forum, would you then accuse Him of spreading or passing judgement in that?
               
               Besides the point davina that if you read my posts, where I have quoted scripture you will see where I have not even come close to passing judgement on anyone!
               The scriptures are what they are. And you cannot omit parts you do not feel comfortable with just to please other people with what they feel comfortable with.
               
               The truth should be spread, the whole truth!
               I have never never and again never spread untruth! I have also never, never and again never denied the facts of Christ's love for us. In fact I have and again, if you really read what I wrote I assure you I have reiterated about LOVE many many times.
               
               That is the falacy that some have accused me of in here.
               Look on these topics to see what I am talking about if you do not take my word for it:
               
               christianity: People don't send themselves to hell God does that!
               
               Recall of "the rant"- which I had started.
               here is a quote that I ended that with:
               "In conclusion,
               
               Jesus loves you, God loves you no matter who you are, what you have done or what you have or do not have. He loves you and wants for you to love Him back.
               
               Simple message, Simple truth and NO RANT ABOUT IT!"
               
               Now after you read those and there are others if you want I can send the links in an email to you but if not then, after you read what it is that I have actually wrote
               then ask yourself who it is here who has been falsely judged and accused.
               
               And thats all I have to say about that

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                  Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Once again,
                  "This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."
                  – 1 John 4:9-11

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            chukra Gposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            when you preach good news it will awaken the harmony surroundings, if it is awakening the negatives side its mean you didnt preach good news at first, thats why i am telling no need at all.

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               chukra Gposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. (mark 16:15)------------------- you are not following this at first, how can you preach the news when you don't understand the message correctly, bible is for wise not for fools.

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      emetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I refer to the question dealing with whether we [presumably 'we' is Christians] are charged by God to declare our faith boldly.
      
      The answer or answers depend on how you 'boldly' is understand.
      
      If it means 'without fear,' 'openly,' or any other definition opposite to hiding a light under a basket so that it does not attract the attention of those that we fear will give us a rough time. 
      Who knows?  Maybe the reason God the Father gave each of us a sense of humour is so that we can face challenges without our turning into squelchy blobs of smouldering blubber.
      
      The difference between 'boldly' and 'brashly' must be understood.  A Christian can be - must be - bold without being brash and offensive. Brash and loudly insistent preachers get under the skin of some people and no souls are won for Christ by driving people away with asocial attitudes.  It's nice to be important, but it is more important to be nice.
      
      If we believe that we represent Jesus Christ when spreading the word of God, then we need to represent him as he represented himself and not as if we are driven by demons or whirlwinds.

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         Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Here it is, a more acceptable truth could not be stated.

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      mealdatesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      In our own ways.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely! I'm a bible thumbing, YEC, unashamed child of The Living God. Saved by grace! I pray that I never deny Jesus even when faced with death. Praise Jesus!
      Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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      seyiariposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      •    Faith is not a philosophical fact neither is it a psychological fact. It is a spiritual force. It is a living force drawn from a living word to produce a living proof.
      •    Faith is not cheap talk, faith is hard work. Faith is an act. It  goes beyond just talking , it has to do with action. Faith is not just believing     God , it is also behaving the word of God

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         XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         that's why I'm faithless

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            Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I can't get no sleep

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               XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               do you need a hand ?

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                  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I'd love one.

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                     XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Take two !

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                        Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Come get me sugar

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                           XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           I will! In a couple of hours !

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                              Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              You booked a flight?

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                                 XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 No!. I'm preparing the toys !

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                                    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    So you inviting me over then?  I will bring a suitcase full of toys

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                  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  X can your hand travel that far>>>

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            chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I wanna say that you are faithless because your eyes and ears are closed shut.

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               XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Always !when I have to see or hear foolishness.
               So now they're shut of course !

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      Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      simple answer

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   It is your purpose to ask a question, receive an answer, and then belittle the answer with a quote from the scripture?
   
   Because that is what you just did.

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      atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      no I just simply it was contrary to scripture and it is. No battle about it

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   Then what is the point of the question?

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      Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      She's looking for some gasoline for her spark.  Normally, when  person asks a question, they want to experience the knowledge and wisdom of others.  She asks a question and then degrades the answer she gets.  Don't bother with her.

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         Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Thats what I was thinking.

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   So why ask the question, if you don't want an answer other than what you believe?

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   atomswifeyposted 15 years ago

   neither one of you has even attempted to answer it in the first place!

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   If someone is a christian they should not be ashamed of their beliefs and if asked express what they feel. However, no, I don't believe a christian should boldly proclaim their beliefs at the risk of offending those who do not believe as they do.

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      Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      How can AW assume who loves Christ and who doesn't?  Jesus preached, this is true, but he also lived a holy life by example.  The term "witness" can mean to preach, but it can also mean to lead by example.  Neither is more important than the other.

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         atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I do not assume who loves christ and who doesn't. Look at who I have responded to and what I have said.
         
         Look, when I have quoted scripture pertaining to salvation I was directing that in a general sense! Not to any one person!
         I did not call amyone out and say you need to repent! lol
         
         Please and all the ones who have accused me of doing that are not the ones I have even posted to!!
         LOL
         Wow now thats a shocker huh?
         I mean you'd think the ones I have responded to would have been accusing me of this huh?
         Think about it.
         
         But I digress,
         The ones whom I have quoted those particular scriptures to openly admit they are not saved. They are ones like earnest who say very clearly, "your god is a psychopath, a little entity who does not love at all!" He then pointed out Old testament scripture to try to prove how evil and not loving God is!
         he says " this is your god " and then points out scripture where God wipes out a city. He denies any existance of a god and then spouts off what a nut job I am for believing in Him.
         
         So, what is my response? Do I lash out and call him filthy names over it? No. I cite scripture to show Him how much God loves him. And again, I do this in a general way. Saying I am a sinner, all of us sin. But God loves us so much He....
         
         And now I get slammed for that? Ok, fine you all win.
         
         I am a pharisee for citing scripture
         I do not love anyone
         lol
         
         whatever. I know who I am in Christ. And that is really all that matters.
         
         God bless you all
         I am so sorry you cannot see the truth in what I am saying here.

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            Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You did not get slammed.  I won't apologise for my post because I had no intention to offend you.  I didn't say you pointed the finger at anyone in particular, but you pointed your finger at the crowd.  It seems you spend a lot of time wondering why Christians are so "hated".  You should be enraptured with love for God.  If you believe as ardently as you claim, you should be shining with the love of Christ.  You are a dichotomy to me, and that is why I find you so interesting.  I can't understand your motivation.

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               atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I am glad you find me interesting.
               I find you rather interesting as well.
               
               My motivation is simple. I love.
               I know there are those who stated I do not, but then again, none of you really know me either.
               Did you read ALL of that thread I started? Did you read where I pointed out how great it is that God loves us so much that ALL can be saved?
               That ALL can live with Him for an eternity regardless of our sinful natures?
               I even emphasized the word ALL
               
               I have been falsely accused.
               In that thread, I did not say ALL unbelievers hate, I did not say ALL believers are hated. That is a mis-interpretation of what I did write.
               
               And yes, I do point to a crowd in relation to sin, when I had that debate with earnest and Mark, but I point out that I myself am standing in the crowd myself!
               Does the scripture not say, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"?
               Then we are ALL sinners in need of what? Salvation.

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                  Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I will not argue with you.  I don't think it will do either of us any good.  I have no animosity towards you, and I certainly do not hate you.  I will leave you with this.  First, thank you for making me examine my own life, and my own intentions.  You have made me, and a lot of others, examine what they believe is right.  We may not believe the same as you, but we are good people and that is inarguable.  Secondly, I wish you the best.  I hope you continue on with your faith.  I would be interested to see how much more you have grown in a few years.

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                     atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     And I of you davina, I of you
                     Hope your mom recovers well and as I said to you before, she is in my prayers as are you and your family
                     God Bless
                     

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      atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ok just my opinion here ok? No meaning of offense to you or your way of communicating the gospel.
      
      I am just going to say that in our testimony of christ and the truth about salvation we cannot be cautious as to risking the offense of others.
      
      Jesus said, if you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you".
      Also, there are a great many scriptures which tell us to not concern ourselves with what others think or feel when it comes to the most important message given. The whole purpose of Gods Word is to guide us to salvation. Our salvation, meaning the whole world, everyone is so vitally important you cannot worry about those things can you?
      
      I look at it like this,
      If you saw a blind person about to walk out into traffic, would you give one thought to grabbing him out of the way? Would you be concerned how he might feel later about you grabbing him like that?
      
      In the same way is how some choose to present the gospel. It may grab people somewhat aggressively sometimes, but it is worth it to give them the truth, to share it for them to realize why they NEED God.
      
      In much the same way you would explain to the blind guy about to walk into traffic. Once learning of why you did that, he would be grateful.
      
      And thats all, thats what I try to do on here at times. Honestly.
      Ask the people who I have actually spoken to.
      Fairbear
      wordscribe(Laura)
      rmcrayne

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   atomswifeyposted 15 years ago

   I take that back and davina I apologize you did and I did not have intention to argue your points as I agree
   
   I just wanted to illustrate that it is love which guides the quoting of all the truth. Not just that God loves, but that there is a greater reason to NEED salvation, to NEED Christ. That is why we are to boldly proclaim our beliefs.
   
   I can accept any reason for this and I do want your input. But then am I not intitled to present mine?

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      Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The point is, when you wrote the question and started the forum it was with the intention of proving your point and not listening and discussing the opinions of others. Of course you can express your input. However not at the expense of listening to others.

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      Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You present your opinions.  You cannot honestly believe that anyone has stifled your opinion.  You disagree with most of my opinions, and I am fine with that.  If you are a true believer you will soon find that you will always be growing in Christ.  One day, you will wake up and realize that the scripture means something different to you.  If you believe that the Bible is a Living Book, then you have to understand that it presents itself differently to every believer.  If you accept the Bible as a Living Book, and the Word of God, then you have to be aware that God is speaking to you in every aspect of your life.  God has even sent you the challenge you face right now.  What is he trying to show you?

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         atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Davina, I guess you missed the postings between me and wordscribe and rednckwmn.
         We came to understandings about it all.
         I am aware of what God has done and is doing in here. I also know I have been falsely accused of things I have not done. can you understand how awful that would feel to you?
         If someone tells a lie on you and it spreads like a wild fire. Without any justification for it. Just to be mean spirited.
         
         Then this lie turns into another and so on.
         
         It is really frustrating to me as you can imagine. wordscribe who talked to me about it said I had been falsely judged and wrongly insulted. We do not agree on things pertaining to our individual beliefs. Yet we respect our opinions on it as people, individuals.
         The same goes for rdnckwmn, rmcrayne and others.
         
         I am just naming them as ones I have debated with and yet we are friends.

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   Mrvoodooposted 15 years ago

   

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      Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      My husband probably had this in his room as a child.  Creepy!

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         Mrvoodooposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Jesus is the light(switch).
         
         Garggggh, just a little pirate humor, I'll leave ye all now to continue thy holy crusades.

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      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't his penis a bit low to be anatomically correct? but then of course no Christian cares about matching it to reality I guess

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         Mrvoodooposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Jesus performs great miracles, like growing a slong out of his right knee.
         
         This is written in the book.

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            Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            LOL True dat. No wonder a disproportionate number of child molesters among Christian priests

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   The switch part is awkwardly placed. Whoever designed that has a sense of humor.

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      Mrvoodooposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus loves all of Gods children.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    I have heard that example before. But it is not even a close example. In the example of the blind man, you are preventing him from harm. Because the man is blind he obviously does not intentionally mean to walk into traffic. By preaching the gospel you are telling people how to live their lives. They are not "blind" they can see. But because they choose not to see what you do, you feel it is your duty to pull them from the street. You are not "saving" them, because they do not need to be saved.

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       atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Do you see the impending danger of an eternity without God? Jesus did.
       and yes there are those who are blind to scripture and are blind to themselves being in that sort of danger.
       
       I cannot judge who that is nor do I.
       Show me anywhere in anything I have wrote where I have done that.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    It isn't that they are "blind" to the scripture. It is there. If someone wants to read/follow it, that is their business.

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       atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       But not all are open to the understanding of it.
       case in point:
       earnest uses the Old Testament to point out how evil our God is. How he does not love anyone. Would you say he is one who is not blind to scripture?
       
       Jesus says "those that have eyes will see, and ears, will hear." What do you think he was talking about there?

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          Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I think Jesus meant. People have eyes and ears, so there is no need to preach. If they want to find out about me they will.
          
          Look, if someone wants to understand it, they will ask questions. Don't you see that you are doing more harm than good by "boldly proclaiming" your faith? It turns people off to want to learn about it themselves.
          Earnest is not blind to scripture, seems to me he has read it, interpreted it, and made his own decision about it. Isn't that what God wants? To think for ourselves?

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             lynnechandlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Amen Colebabie and I hope you have a great weekend. I'm off to write some hubs and get out of this round robin.

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             atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             and show me where I have interupted someone and just said "hey you! Believe what I say or else!" lol
             Please.
             
             I have always stayed on topic of discussion. And this is what I am trying to explain to you: That in answering questions, responding to posts about a certain topic I have posted scripture pertaining to THAT subject!
             
             Please if you are going to accuse me of something show me where I have done what you are accusing me of!

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                Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Numerous times someone has said their opinion and you have contradicted it with quotes from the scripture. As if one is wrong in their opinion and you would like to prove them wrong with what you believe in.

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                   atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   So is it I that contradicts, the scripture or both? I use the scripture as I believe it is all truth. If someone disagrees with that way of thinking than how can one take it as a contradiction?
                   I don't get that.

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    bgpappaposted 15 years ago

    No, keep it to yourself

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    OneStopWriteShopposted 15 years ago

    LOL, I agree (with the light switch part, awkward is right!) I doubt that was their intention but who knows right, lol.
    
    I wanted to add a little something to the discussion, which seems has died down. Please forgive me (early on) if my post here is in correct. I really don’t have much education in the area of religion or other such topics. I am intrigued though, because I have struggled with my faith for most of my life. On/off, like a light switch. More on here lately then not though, so maybe I have been taken in by all the hype, or maybe its not hype, I have no idea what “real, what’s truth, and whose truth to actually consider.”
    
    Belief is a strong word to me.
    
    Believe or not to believe.
    
    Wars are too often started or escalated due to religious beliefs, what a shame that is, you know.
    
    In my mind, I am a scholarly; I rely on facts, and research. In my faith, I rely on a feeling, that "there is something more." So much has been written, and with millions of churches, someone has to be right, "right?"
    
    When it comes to someone saying that the bible is 100% TRUTH, I have a hard time with that.
    
    None of us will ever be able to post what the truth really is, and maybe that is where faith does come in.
    
    I don't blame people for their doubts; I have struggled with my faith most of my life. Yet, I have a portrait it’s rather religions that I hang in my bedroom wherever I move to. And, I pray on occasion. I don't consider myself Protestant, Christian, Buddhist, or any of such title.
    
    What I believe in, is that you should lead a good life, treat the people in your life as you would want them to treat you, and leave something of value behind, whether that is a loving memory of the type of person you were in your life, or a post that reaches someone out there.
    
    Maybe we are all suppose to "preach this word" but, if (and forgive me for using a doubtful type of word: If God had intended for each of us to spread the words of the bible which is written in poetry by the way, then feel it should be written more clearly.
    
    How many wars have been started and are still going strong because of religion. What part of the bible does that go in?
    
    I often wonder, if people would keep their beliefs to themselves, or at least out of the political arena, how many lives would still be here, to love and share?
    
    Lot to think about.
    
    I continue to live life the way that my parents taught me.
    I may not be at church each Sunday and my native American family may pray to "grandfather god" and not Jesus Christ, but I think that its how you live now that makes the difference.
    
    Why spend all of life-time thinking and preparing form some unknown after life, when it comes right down to it, we have today. Nothing else is promised, and even that is not.
    
    We have this moment.
    
    Its what you do with it,
    that may count the most.
    
    Ok, I really stink at religious topics, it’s probably because it confuses me, like a lot of people, I try to understand, and I learn from personal experience.
    
    Good luck to all,
    
    Enjoy your day!
    
    -- Katina M. Woodruff
    
    Author of To PERSEVERE Against All odds,
    A memoir about hope, family and survival.

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       Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Forgive me for disagreeing with you, Katina, but you have delivered a wonderful post.  You do not "stink" at this.  You have cut through to the essence of the entire argument.  I will thank you in my "love" thread.  People like you, and who believe like you, are what makes this world a good place to live.

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    atomswifeyposted 15 years ago

    You gave me a laugh there OneStopWriteShop and I do mean that in good way not a negative.
    
    
    You have talent in writing that is for sure!
    Keep on seeking if thats what you are doing and you'll find.
    
    good post by the way, I don't agree with it all but good post.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Basically you attempt to prove people wrong with your beliefs. But everyone believes differently so your arguments don't hold up. But I am off to the beach now and to watch the football game. Have a great weekend!

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       atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       you too! have fun!

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    atomswifeyposted 15 years ago

    In any event I guess I have proven that it is the scripture itself which is offensive to some on here. So be it.
    Gods Word lives in me and through me, everyday of my life and no manner of discussion is going to stop that.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    "All authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."(Matthew 28:18-20)..Teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
    "A new command I give you:Love one another, As I have loved you, so you MUST love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"(John 13:34-35)
    "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me."(John14:21)
    "This is my Command, Love each other"(John 15:17)
    
    The version of the great Commission found in Mark 16:15-18, is not included in all manuscripts and has been left out by most ancient witnesses. Why would they do that? Maybe because Mark was not one of the original Apostles and not an eyewitness to Jesus Life and teaching. Furthermore he was disliked and un-trusted by Paul who refused to work with him the rest of his life after Mark turned back during a missionary journey. I have found that most extreme denominational groups choose to follow this version of the great commission as it justifies their own radical philosophy and actions many of which are in open defiance of mainstream Christian beliefs and tenants.
    
    See I can quote scripture to prove my point too. Do you have the right o proclaim your belief boldly, why sure you do. Do others also have that right yes they do. Will you live long boldly proclaiming your belief in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iran? Probably not. I don't see where scripture is offensive to anyone on Hubpages, I do see a common thread of offense towards those who believe scripture to be a blanket to justify their own actions though.

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       glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Honestly, now. 
       
       There is a sub-plot by the vocal majority to vilify and minimise anyone who believes in bible.  Which Hubpages have you been reading. 
       
       And atomwifey has not figured it out yet so she keeps getting battered. 
       
       Sow beside all waters fellow believers.  Just keep church and state apart and you have my support.
       
       Our experience on Hubpages should lead us to seek new ways to witness over the internet.  Feedback so far would seem to suggest that traditional approaches will not bear much fruit...but don't give up.  We have this hope that burns within our hearts, hope in the coming of the Lord.

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          chukra Gposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          dont worry you will definitely fail without the LEADER.

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             glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             As usual I must ask you to explain.  Slowly.

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                seyiariposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                •    Faith is not a philosophical fact neither is it a psychological fact. It is a spiritual force. It is a living force drawn from a living word to produce a living proof
                •    Faith is not cheap talk, faith is hard work. Faith is an act. It  goes beyond just talking , it has to do with action. Faith is not just believing     God , it is also behaving the word of God.

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                   Presigoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   very nice words !

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    "But in fact God has placed the parts of the body every one...as it is there are many parts, but one body....On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor....But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to those that lacked it, so that there should be no division in the body but that its parts should have equal concern for each other." (1 Corinthians 12:18-25)
    
    By careful paraphrasing one might argue that I just proved we are all equally important to God dispite our level of faith or belief, though what the subject of this passage was about was Paul's concern about divisions building in the church of Corinth.
    
    Remember this before anyone chooses to fix labels to any group, those you call heathen, non-believer, and lost God calls his own and his children-"Whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me" (Matthew 18:5)
    
    It's scripture it must be true then so I have to be right case closed I win.
    
    How silly and narrow minded that kind of thinking is.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    there are thousands of different denominations of Christianity which teach that different versions of the one and only truth.
        a good friend and pastor of one church believes that I am going to h--l if I do not be re-baptised because the church that baptized me had a piano in it. Another believes that if I go to Church on Sunday I am going DOWN!  Why all the different interpretations? 
         I think that if the members of these and all churches would  BOLDLY visit each others bible studies and proclaim the truth, much more progress could be made. 
         The same amount of agreeing to disagree that is done among the Churches should be shown here on the forums.
         Are we really looking for the truth or are looking to proclaim our own truth? big difference between sharing and proclaiming.
         my answer is yes boldly go where no Christian has gone before.

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       belief713posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I questioned the different interpretations myself. That's why I'm non-denominational. I agree in that I think many are looking to proclaim their own truth, which is ok, if you're willing to accept that your truth may sometimes be wrong. I also have wondered why can't they all just agree - what is the point in a doctrine anyway? Maybe my "immaturity" in christianity, who knows, but honestly it's one thing I prefer to leave untouched - in my opinion division is set up by the devil and christians are his number 1 target... and sadly, so far his plan is working.

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    belief713posted 15 years ago

    In response to the original question, I think it's ok if asked or called on by God to do so. Or of course if you want, write a Hub about your beliefs ;-) Otherwise, I agree in that actions speak louder than words. There's no need to cram anything down anyone's throat. I am a believer, but don't do that and it's funny because I have people come up to me and assume I have no knowledge of God and try to preach to me. Then, they start to question my beliefs, which I can't stand because it's not their place to judge my spirit. I understand "christians" want and passion for desiring to see all saved, I really do, but I don't agree with the way it's done many times. If you are living your life the "right way" people will see your actions and wonder what makes you different. Then, I would opt for sharing the WORD with them as that is the only place they will find answers. Who knows, they may even accept Christ on their own (yes, without saying a "special prayer") and ask God into their lives, at which time the Holy Spirit will enter. There were not churches in the beginning, and yet we had Abram (Abraham) and Noah and many more. I think more "Christians" need to get off their religious high horses and just learn how to accept more people for who they are instead of trying to change them. I have a right to my beliefs, just as you do yours, even if we don't agree with them. I think what's hardest for some to understand & accept is that not everyone is supposed to be "saved."

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    Really its bad enough all that this post started now you want to jump in hours after it ended and talk trash behind peoples backs that's real Cristlike

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       glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I am describing what i have painfully observed over a period of 4 months.  there is a vocal and erudite crowd who will outshout anyone who dares to boldly proclaim a witnessing faith in line with the New testament. 
       
       Atomwifey is new so she hasn't learned to deal with it yet.
       
       I have been avoiding the confrontational threads.  But I am not afraid to speak the truth.
       
       Face it, the gospel of Christ is an active, dynamic, preaching and witnessing guide for believers.  If we shut up we betray our faith. 
       
       I have decided long ago to avoid needless arguments that dont honour Christ, but I will not stand by and allow a new Christian hubber to be bullied.  She will soon learn, we all do.  But its painful to watch.
       
       When you say that you dont see where Scripture is offensive to anyone on Hubpages, you need to check the archive.
       
       Dont get defensive.  I dont even know you well.  Not about you.  Your statement is not borne out by the facts. 
       
       Just quote scripture or talk about bible and a ton of ridicule comes pouring in.
       
       Could be that things are changing.  But I have learned the hard way that Hubpages is dominated by those who resist Biblical theology.  I always try to be honest so i will qualify my statement to say: what appears to be a vocal majority.
       
       So I am hurt by your overlooking the battles we have fought in the past.  How I wish atomwifey would learn and tone down.

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          OneStopWriteShopposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hello again all,
          
          First, I would like to say thank you to the writers on Hub Pages for the very nice comments about my post. That made my day.
          
          
          Discussions are for "discussing a topic" that does not mean that everyone will agree. We should "ALL" be able to voice our opinions. Isn't that what a discussion is for?
          
          If you only want feedback that is agreeable to your post, then I would call it: If you don't believe then don't post" You'll find that method does not work.
          
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          When posting about topics of religion, politics, gender, and other such issues, a person may be "frightened" to share their point of view. Worried, that they may be criticized for believing, or not believing. When in most instances, the word belief only means: not sure, or a lack of knowledge, and understanding.
          
          With so many different religions in the World, it is not such a rarity that so many people will disagree. The fact that this discussion has remained active is proof of that.
          
          I would like to submit this reply in response to atomswifey:
          
          Quoted from previous post written by: atomswifey -->
          
          "  I am describing what i have painfully observed over a period of 4 months.  there is a vocal and erudite crowd who will outshout anyone who dares to boldly proclaim a witnessing faith in line with the New testament. "
          
          What do you mean by out shouting?
          That no one is entitled to disagree?
          
          I don't understand why there is any fuss at all.
          
          Remember in my last post I mentioned "war" this is how it all begins. Not allowing people to believe in what they want.
          
          There should be some restrictions as to where people practice their religious beliefs, only because there are so many individuals who reside in the US of different religious back rounds, cultures, experiences and own beliefs. It should never be "forced" on others. However, bringing up the issue of religion for the purpose of sharing personal views, education and or to "try and get the word out" is not a bad thing. Getting upset for people for voicing why they don't believe or why they must not say this or that, is not a good thing.
          
          It also shows a strong lack of regard for those who accept all people for whatever they believe in, without judgment, prejudice or ridicule. I am one of those people. If you were to come to my home, I would welcome you, no matter what you believed in or what you wore, or the color of your skin.
          
          If you tell me I have to believe, I would throw you out on your behind, quicker then I could spit!
          
          Wasn't the discussion started to get other people's responses?
          
          If I had started this discussion, I wouldn't come back and reply to everyone's post who I didn't agree with. Let people share their insights, we could all learn something valuable by the thoughts and feelings of others. You'll find that accepting different points of views, will not hinder your work in (perching the bible), it will help you to understand that there is that doubt in the world, and it is not possible to make everyone you tell, believe in everything you tell them. No matter what book the words came from.
          
          Let us share our opinions, and leave it at that. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

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    PoetofHopeposted 15 years ago

    Hmm, was the post above in reference to the one above? I was a little baffled, because in that post I think the hubber was saying that "isn't it okay to discuss" all forms of religion? In a discussion?
    
    Oh, I wanted to ask a question, it has to do with evolution, dinosaurs, and oh yeah the geological evidence about the "great flood" any one studying these topics? Thanks!
    
    I have a research thesis due in a few months, hard to narrow it down. It is interesting though. In school they make you look at a topic at all angles, who believes, who doesn't the evidence the lack of evidence such as in ghost, aliens, the evolution, etc..
    
    Think we could all learn a few things if discussions were less offensive and more informative.
    
    See ya, have to go on a boat ride now,
    
    cheers.

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    thecrossposted 15 years ago

    This hub started when someone asked if we should “proclaim our faith”. While reading it, I found where some had answered correctly; that the Bible commands us to do so. The Bible also warns us of the ridicule and rejection we should expect as we proclaim. Sadly, much of the hub reflected the ridicule, not the answer to the question.
    
    Christians have now spent decades allowing the ridicule to silence them - - and where has it gotten us? Speak boldly, and without apology. We are the majority, but if we continue to cower our children’s children will be the minority.
    
    Scorners and mockers, read your own words and replies to the people who were trying to answer the original question. Dig deep into your calloused minds and try to empathize. How would you feel if you had been addressed in the fashion of your response?
    
    In answering the above question, if you would have felt anything other than good about the response, I challenge you to read the book of James. It’s a short read - - much shorter than this hub. For you there is hope.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    It is written that Christians are to proclame their faith.  BUT  the story about the sower; comes to mind. He sowed and some seeds falling to the wayside "AND THE CROWS CAME AND ATE THE SEEDS" and some fell among the thorns and WERE CHOKED OUT" some fell upon fertil ground and flourished. 
    
      I guess the point is to be aware of how many seeds you have,and how much time that you have for sowing, and cast them accordingly.
    
       Yet on the other hand... ya never know when only one seed might land upon the mountain top, survives and produces multitudes of seeds and spreads across all of the valeys on all sides.
    
      Ya just don't know what ya don't know. Ya know? 
      Ya just gotta keep the faith.

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    prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

    I am proclaiming my faith and believe in the LORD.

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    chambersgirl21posted 15 years ago

    Definitly!!!!!!

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    i believe in my god just not a god of man.  the God i know has no opinions on faith.  In fact, it has no opinions whatsoever.  It doesn't exist in the way you consider existence.  Essentially, you do not believe in god, not the god I know to be true.  Vice versa I suppose.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago

    Hey, that was meant to be a referential joke to faithless.
    
    MOOooanyhow, you can do whatever you like to me.

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       XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe some bondage thing. You're an expert ,I think !

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          Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Some sort of expert.

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             XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             INTERESTING !

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    AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years ago

    Trick question

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    XTASISposted 15 years ago

    

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