Who has the best argument about God's existence?

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  1. sooner than later profile image62
    sooner than laterposted 13 years ago

    Jim,

    you are quite the patient man. I admire your ability to remain reasonable in what would become "childish" conversation.

    If I am not one of your fans yet, I am now.

    sooner than later.

    1. spiderpam profile image73
      spiderpamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have to agree. Hey Sooner!

      1. sooner than later profile image62
        sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Hey pam, good to see you. I was down your way last week. Got a little hot there in Phoenix huh?

        1. spiderpam profile image73
          spiderpamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yep~ and we got dust storm now smile

          1. sooner than later profile image62
            sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            ahh, I don't envy you.
            Well, we are getting some darn strong winds in the high desert, but no dust.

  2. earnestshub profile image85
    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Yes he does owe you an apology. This matter came up before and he did not listen then either.
    Very selective reading.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah well, he speaks for god so I guess god does not apologize when he gets it wrong. wink

      He has prompted me to write a book though. A hard book rather than an ebook.

      He is a perfect example of why a belief in an invisible super being rots your brain and destroys your ability to think for yourself. He just is not capable of hearing what I am saying. He does not care if he falsely accused me or damaged me in some way. This is secondary to the Word. sad  And they are proud that all that matters is the Word. I do not count. How I feel does not count. All that matter is spreading the hatred.

      Just imagine how advanced we could be - morally and ethically - if we had gotten rid of this notion that the reward is in the afterlife and we need to shout "Jesus is Lord!" until the heathens believe what we believe.

      Look at the spider woman - dumping the same thing over and over - all wrong - to try and prove that millions of scientists and millions of pieces of evidence are all a lie to stop her from beleebing in Jeebus. sad

      Sad - that is what it is. I admire your tenacity in the face of so many of them telling ypu you are worthless and there is something wrong with you for not believing what they believe.

      I am out of here until the religionist Low apologizes for making false accusations.

      Bet he cannot - what do you think?

      1. aka-dj profile image68
        aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        You've been "out of here..." many times before. Will you keep your word this time? lol
        If Jim does NOT apologize, and you come back, that makes YOU a liar,NO? I mean, that's how you define lying! hmm

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          LOL

          Jim Low publicly accused me of doing something I did not do. Here on this forum. I guess in true drama queen christian matrydom I should  have started a new thread away from the ridiculous beliefs forum. But I prefer to be honest and up front instead. I know I know - that is not the way people who believe in Jesus like to behave. Thank you for reminding me why your religion disgusts me and many others.

          Me a liar? LOLOLOLO

          No wonder you are despised -

          You just cannot see that being a judgmental hypocrite is guaranteed to get people to despise you can you dj?

          lol

          Oh well - as long as you get to be judgmental - that is what is really important huh? lol lol

          But keep on calling me a liar so that I will prove what a liar I am by responding to you.

          Then you are "right"

          Like what it says in the bible about publicly judging others until they hate you.

          That is what it says right?

          That is what Jeebus taught you to do? lol

          Now I am definitely out of here.

          Call me a liar again and I will start a new thread just for you.

      2. earnestshub profile image85
        earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        low jim may find apology too much for his massive ego. Like many other religionists he carries the only truth around with him and speaks without hearing others as they are not in agreement with his version of his god. Bloody hilarious! lol. smile

  3. Jewels profile image83
    Jewelsposted 13 years ago

    From what I am reading here, it is certainly NOT the religionists who have the best argument about God's existence.  Considering the thread is about arguing, I suppose both sides have won.  Then again, if the religionists have to argue about it, perhaps they haven't won anything, and lost much.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  4. Jewels profile image83
    Jewelsposted 13 years ago

    Whilst Mark Knowles needs no defense, he is big enough to defend himself, Jim Low is really out of line and ignorant not knowing that Mark Knowles doesn't need to lie.  He has never wavered from his stand for one and is way too mature to stalk any hubs incognito.  He would do it to your face, that's the kind of man he is.

    Jim, if you are the kind of man you portray yourself to be (a God knower and lover), you perhaps would do well to lead by example, or be lead by the teachings of Jesus.  Just a thought.

    Mind you, if you really are just here to argue, go right ahead, you're doing a good job of it.  Perhaps leave God out of it altogether, it's a bit off center regardless of what side you're on.

  5. profile image0
    JimLowposted 13 years ago

    Mark,

    Now that I know what "specifically" you are talking about as far as my falsely accussing you, I will offer you an apology for that. While I didn't say specifically that it was you I did imply that I thought it was you who posted the comments I referred-to in the earlier post.

    I do admit that I actually now don't believe it was you who posted the comments I referred to earlier. They were posted by a member "Hell-No" and the vile name-calling ones I had to disapprove were posted by an unregistered user named "Dan". I believe now that Dan and Hell-No were the same person. Some of the comments are still at the Hubs.

    For those attack comments that I now know you would have offered directly toward me, rather than through another member name or unregistered name, I do apologise. <(no sarcasm, it's a sincere one.)

    Now let's all move on.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Apology accepted.

  6. Sufidreamer profile image78
    Sufidreamerposted 13 years ago

    Fair play, Jim - my reaction was nothing to do with religion. You are man enough to offer an apology - for me, the matter is closed. Obviously, I don't speak for Mark!

    Dan/Hell-No enjoys a certain notoriety on Hubpages smile

    Now, we can get back to the brawling big_smile

  7. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    I think I have the best arguement about Gods existance, and since it is the best ,there is no need to argue it anymore

    It is me smile
    I am unique ,theres no one else like me, nobody, if ya searched the world top to bottom ,you would only find 'one me' big_smile

    C'mon , do you really think I am an accident , that you you yourself just somehow ,magically formed ,evolved into somebody uniquely distinct from anyone else...?

    Science is great!! but the one who thought of it first surely is the Mastermind smile

    Kia Kaha Surfi wink

  8. Sufidreamer profile image78
    Sufidreamerposted 13 years ago

    Geia Sou, EK

    Hope that life is treating you well smile

  9. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    Hey Surfi , cool greeting that , now ya got me thinkin Souvlaki and whats that sweet sticky 'to die for' cake ?? baklava, naughty isnt it lol

    Oh hormones , blame hormones big_smile
    (What was God thinkin') lol oh now theres a hub , hehe

  10. Sufidreamer profile image78
    Sufidreamerposted 13 years ago

    mmmm...Baklava. Might have to have one, now.

    We are having a national holiday, although I still have to work sad

  11. Sexy jonty profile image59
    Sexy jontyposted 13 years ago

    Hey don't laugh ......

    God existence is true ......

    I believe that as in mathematics quantity such as iota (i) solves many complex problems of mathematics ...... but it is an imaginary quantity, no proof for it's existence and without it many of the problems would be at halt .....

    Same is with the God ..... problems around the world are been solved by him ..... but he is in our imagination ......
    no proof for it's existence, but without it many of our problems would not be solved .......

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Without him, we could be almost problem-ridden. One less topic to argue about, and get killed for.

      1. aka-dj profile image68
        aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        More like without US, the world (and God) would be problem-ridden.
        He's not the problem, NEVER has been. It's always us who create the problems.
        Oh, and the killing too. We do that. (Humans, I mean). big_smile

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Humans  < God's creation.  (according the believers, not me ) Sowho's to blame ??

          I agree with you on the rest. big_smile

          1. aka-dj profile image68
            aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            To put it another way, "we are our own worst enemy". hmm

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              A very lousy Creation. Don't you think ? hmm

              1. aka-dj profile image68
                aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                That's like seeing a rotten apple and saying, "what lousy fruit". It didn't start out that way. big_smile

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    It always has. It's in Man's condition.

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    If you read the Bible. since Adam & Eve, When this loving God decided to put the famous Tree in front of them  and watch them fall. big_smile

                  2. aka-dj profile image68
                    aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    He was OK before the fall.

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Somehow mankinds record doesnt quite show that we would all live peacefully if their was one less arguement sadly...
        To be honest Im convinced it would be quite the opposite.

        Just thinkin on some places that have no religion ,well no obvious religion , and um they probably still eating one another ...plus wheres theres no law , there is lawlessness...

        I just dont like my household,society,world having 'no boundaries' I guess

        Anyway I really only came to say anyone wanna have lunch with me lol tippy toes out.


        An you big boys quit arguing and do some work lol

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          lol lol Hi eagle ! I'll have lunch with you ! A virtual one, I mean !

    2. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The sage Aryabhatta invented zero and mathematics by observing the laws of this universe or god. smile

      Zero is a concept for enlightenment or god. smile

  12. khrisna profile image56
    khrisnaposted 13 years ago

    God do exist! need proof? God is nature. He lives in our heart. he is you and me because we are his sons. He is the truth and the kindness. He made this whole universe as his laws. You planted good things than you will dilatable good things and otherwise.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Existence exists. To think that it was created by a "god" or a "creator" is foolishness. Such foolishness could only be created by man.

      If you're looking for an answer how LIFE came to be, including nature...the MOON orbiting the Earth is the only reason the Earth can support life-forms at all.

  13. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    @ cagsil

    BTW, 
    HELLO ?! lol

  14. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    Ok great tantrum

    Garden Salad and sirloin tip cheese burgers ( screw the diet)
    I want meat!! smile

    If ya see Justine around ,can ya hit her up for the blue vein dressing and maybe some of her home made bread big_smile

    If Badco shows himself ,I know hes good for some Cab Sav big_smile

    Help Yourself

    I said grace ,wink

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the lunch! It was great ! A relly nice break after reading  all the ----- posted in here ! big_smile

  15. justintimee profile image60
    justintimeeposted 13 years ago

    Also without light there is no color only darkness.
       
    No one can touch or see gravity but we know, that it exist!

    1. rhamson profile image73
      rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well you can't see it with the naked eye. I like the comparison though.  It just leaves it open for science to dispute.

  16. prettydarkhorse profile image54
    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

    NOBODY!!

    Happy halloween to all!!

  17. R P Chapman profile image60
    R P Chapmanposted 13 years ago

    Got to love a thread with all 634 posts so far when the correct answer was given in post number 2! big_smile

    1. prettydarkhorse profile image54
      prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      OH LOLOLOL

  18. Kori Lee F.P. profile image78
    Kori Lee F.P.posted 13 years ago

    The argument against there being a god is flawed because if you have one strange event, something unexplainable then the pure system of evolution or chemicals in the brain does not explain all events in time and space.  There are too many proven events that have no explanation. These type of "mystical" events point to a different reality.  Physics begins to sound strange when you try to include all events in space and time.  All you end up with is theories. Is light a wave or particle?  How can it change when it wants to- seemingly random?   So my arguement for something- beyond evoltion or what we have in place, begins here. 

    The narrowness of the point-of-view promotes the outcome.  Quatum physics shows that the observer and the observed are interconnected.  As soon as the western mind understands that their is no objective reality separate from human perception then many things will become clear.  Their is more going on in this universe than our 10% brain activity is understanding.  The brain activity is provable.  The universe has not yet been completely explored. 
    Our western world view is flawed because we cannot include all experiences in our framework.  Quatum physics is on fast forward and the western-Newtonian machine clockwork world view is obselete.  Holographic experiments are already happening.  The Eastern world-view is not so problematic because most of all experiences fit into their framework.  I think it is funny that we use our technology, we are playing around with many new technologies but people think our consciousness is not moving at a higher rate.

    Is it God or Consciousness?  Are we vibrating balls of energy?  How fast can I vibrate?  Does the Dali Lama increase his awareness with his methods of mediation?  Is this what we are talking about when we try to understand God?  There is a lot more going on that meets the eye. Dreams, Promonitions, mystical experiences, medicine men, - all these things do not fit into the evolutionary-scientific point-of-view.  You can explain it away like the Bible-obssessed believers- its the devil, it is chemicals- but they are all weak arguments because there are too many documented experiences everywhere, everytime, in all cultures.  This is the problem with both sides.

  19. profile image47
    child of christposted 13 years ago

    In answer to your question no agument is good enough, IT'S NAME IS DIUS, AND IN THE BIBLE IT CLEARING SAYS THAT THE COMFORTER SEND BY JESUS CHRIST ITSELF AND AS IT IS SAID IN THE REVELATION THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS HIS NAME IS THE ONE THAT HAS IT ON HIM,SO WE GO TO THE HEBREWS, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT GOD COULD NOT LIE BY THESE TWO IMMUTABLE PROOFS, ONE BEING JESUS CHRIST AND THE OTHER THE COMFORTHER THAT HE SENT, AND TWO  MORE IMMUTABLE PROOFS ARE FOUND IN THE NAME YAWEH,IF ANY ONE HAS WISDOM, CHECK TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT WHAT THIS NAME IS

 
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