Who has the best argument about God's existence?
Wow JimLow..... This happened to me as well. Did you loose sleep like I did? I even unplugged my laptop so they would stop!
Did you manage to notice the IP numbers on the comments that this dastardly MK sent you? Do you think your family members saw them?
Did you make sure your cat was safe from this dastardly deed?
Do you even have a cat?
Wow JimLow.... I know that it's important to 'stand up' to fictious things and not be bullied into accepting that you are wrong. You are so brave telling us this
What does the lord say about your problem? When I told him, the lightning flashed and the skies opened up... was this a sign or was it earnestshub?
Have you considered that the crop circles were actually created by Evolution Guy in league with Gulliver Bear?
Isn't it strange that this 'person' has had vile things to say about 20% of your hubs? Did it concern you that 80% of your hubs were not commented on?
This all seems so very Low... Jim.- Scott.Lifeposted 13 years ago
0 Dear me.
JimLow - I am really sorry you are experiencing something that makes you so uncomfortable - but - I am not responsible for any of the things you mention other than a willingness to make fun of you all the time you post ridiculous statements like this one.
If there is one human attribute I hold dear - it is being honest.
I personally have elected not to go near the religion forum as myself largely thanks to the volume of hate mail I was receiving from believers.
I also elected to create a user or two to hide behind so that I may continue to express my opinions without worrying about the mail that user might get - and if you cannot spot them - you are not looking every hard. CLUE - E.G. and U.H.A.
Neither of whom have left you any messages or comments. And neither am I active on any other forums.
I have not posted any messages on the faith-based garbage you may choose to write. I expressed my opinion in the one hub I have written on the subject:
http://hubpages.com/hub/creation-v-evolution
As far as I am concerned - what you do and write is tantamount to child abuse, and I have said so - once - which is more than enough.
My personal feelings about child abusers - including religious ones - do not involve me leaving comments as other users and pretending to be something I am not.
I will tell you to your face what I think of you. And will do so in person if the opportunity arises.
This is the third or fourth time you have invoked my name on the religion forum, suggesting I would behave in this fashion. Please do not do so again.
Don't make me come down there........
Now - I can see you are upset - but I would say an apology is in order here. I can leave a comment on one of your hubs if you like - and you will see my physical IP address is probably some considerable distance from whomever is leaving the comments.
But I promise I have not made any.- JimLowposted 13 years ago0
LOLOLOL
Dear me.
What physical threats? I would quite happily tell you to your face what I think of you. Regardless of how heavy you are
But you seem to be saying that me giving my opinion of what I think of people like you would result in physical violence and you would hurt me physically. Is that correct?
I will say it once more:
I have absolutely not sent you any messages or left any comments on your hubs. Not one.
And I do not appreciate being called a liar in public. I can - if you wish - leave a comment on one of your hubs - but I suppose you have already decided that a European IP address could be faked by someone like me determined to attack you in this fashion. Not really my job to try and educate you on this as well as evolutionary biology.
You religionists never cease to amaze me.Any proof of that? If you are going to make insinuations, you have to back it up.
If you read his comment, I think that he already told you that was the case. You are wasting pixels.
Yet you have ultimately decided that they are Mark - talk about manipulating the evidence to suit your own theories. By that reasoning, the IP addresses could be from anywhere in the world, so you have proved nothing. Put up or shut up - you are serving as an extremely poor advert for Christian values and it is becoming embarrassing.
I know Earnest and Mark outside HP, so you really should stop flailing in the darkness. Unless, of course, I also have the same IP address or something.
You just admitted that you were fishing for responses. Last time I looked, passive aggression is still an attack. I stand by my assertion that it is your problem - again, your amateur psychology is lamentable.
I am sooooo impressed - amazing how your martyr complex is so intense that you imagine that people have physically threatened you!
To be fair to you, Jim, I give you one more opportunity in regard to the last post you made. Sure you want to keep that one up? Think about it very seriously (I'm hoping you don't keep it up, because you are making countless Christians cringe at every comment you make).
jim Low said :
'(As far as your in-person, face-to-face mention MK, I almost fell-off my computer chair laughing. I'm 245 lb, very little fat on my body, trained in mixed martial arts (& weapons) and boxing from age twelve to twenty, trained my own son who became a boxing coach at the youth center here (true).) Drop the implied physical threats, those mean nothing and the bluff is very weak. It's the least of your concern.'
Hello! Low! 
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- JimLowposted 13 years ago0
No I am not backing off. You have accused me of something I did not do and I would be quite happy to tell you to your face exactly what I think of people like you.
The apparent violent response you would offer is about what I would expect from some one of your ilk.
- NateGateposted 13 years ago0
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Hmm... I am sorry that some Christians really do the most ridiculous things ever. That must have hurt your view on Jesus.
Anyway, what you and I desire is to be true to ourselves and others isn't it?
Will read it in detail when I have the time. It is 3am in the morning for me.
In what way? I found him to be a very pleasant and amiable man - certainly nothing to be ashamed about. I wish that there were more people with his welcoming attitude - he is a walking advert for the good things about Christianity.
I know many very nice Christians - they do not go out forcing lumps of scripture down people's throats, but show kindness and compassion all day, every day.
On the other hand, go back a couple of pages and I see where you are coming fromWell, to be honest- I have been following this topic since it was posted....because it poses an interest appeal.
Think about it- Who has the best argument about God's existence?
It presents an argumentive environment before you even get started....saying "argument".
So, even if you present a rational, well thought out basis, it would automatically present believers with an argumentive reason to defend their belief.
How ever, even a rational person, if presented with a rational explanation that would dispute "god's" existence or a higher power....it would make other of strict beliefs to contest the accuracy of one's explanation.
Even, if they whole-heartedly want to rationalize their actions, they cannot because in the end.....they are focused on getting their point across as though what they have learned through whatever text(even if the context is out of whack) has been learned.
The bottomline: Religion was revealed as a hoax- via a very creative researcher.....and even though it's completely logic based, not faith based, believers dismiss it and make claims thru their own scriptures(which they learned) to dispute it.
So....I find it interesting....
I did read his comments, and he is a very polite and well-considered man. I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say - that he is not on here preaching hell and brimstone? What is lukewarm? You are not making a lot of sense.
Thank you mr. Marlow, I was just trying to tell everyone that preaching is not doing anything good for this planet. It would be nice if both sides would just shut up and contribute to this world by helping the less fortunate instead of preaching about how good the lord is, when was the last time you helped out a desperate person mr. Marlow?
- EnglishMposted 13 years ago0
You would be surprised - pretty much all research has some element of creativity involved. Ten researchers can look at the same facts and come up with ten different answers. There are few absolutes, which is what makes debate interesting
- Scott.Lifeposted 13 years ago0
I think that a lot of the problem is that scientists and theologians speak different languages. Most of the greatest minds throughout history, whether in science or religion, had a good understanding of philosophy. Nowadays, that seems to be too rare in religion vs science debate, and that is sad and leads to endless circles of repeating argument.
Again, I agree with Scott - I am a biologist and a proponent of evolution, but have no problem mixing that with faith. Others are welcome to disagree because, ultimately, I feel no pressing need to justify my position to anybody but myself
EDIT: Scott - will you stop bloody doing that. I was just about to use the little box argument myself. It is like you are reading my mind and it is getting freaky- Rick Marlowposted 13 years ago0
With you, now - looks like we are using different definitions of 'research'
I am looking more from the angle of academic research - most of my work consists of finding information and analyzing it, as part of the process.Difficult - if that were possible, I would be out of a job
Put it this way - if I research all of the known facts about Ancient Sparta, for example, I still have to use creativity and judgment to create an overall picture from scraps of information. Different archaeologists will disagree on many things, but that is the way it works and progresses.
Even with the scientific method, unless you are a physicist, there is always a need for some conjecture and personal input. Remaining completely objective is an impossible ideal - I studied fisheries, and that is a very difficult field to conduct research without generating some validity issues.
If it were possible to throw personal bias and creativity aside, then academics would all agree - they argue more than anybody
So, back to topic....who has the best argument about God's existence?
My cat
He is wise beyond his years and knows many things.
In reality, I would find your cat to be no better than the people Jesus Christ taught....
He has digested a lot of Plato and Aristotle
When I say 'digested,' I mean that he has a habit of chewing my books
I always went for Aristotle - inevitable with a science background
Mind you, I remember reading Plato's Forms. I thought it sounded a little crazy until I sat down with my carving tools and a block of olive wood. It suddenly made perfect sense
- JimLowposted 13 years ago0
- Go low!
Low jim reckons he is gone, I don't believe it.
Got any more conspiracy offerings? Maybe god is evoguy?
Maybe you and low jim should read a few profiles!
I guess that the 'irony gene' passed you by.
Jim - you are probably a nice guy, but are doing yourself no favours here. It is becoming painful to watch you dig yourself deeper.
Cagsil: I used to partake of the D&D
Must agree - I do have problems coming back to reality, sometimes, but then earthly affairs need to be taken care of. I wish that somebody would send my monthly bills into an unearthly and mystical realm
Too tired for deep philosophy, now - I am a very inward looking person and have my own inbuilt set of values. Much too complex to explain, nor do I feel the pressing need to share, but I enjoy life very much and am quite happy blundering through it.
Anyway, late here, so time for bed. I enjoyed the discussion tonight - nice to have a constructive debate with no lumps of scripture flying backwards and forwards
Don't get me wrong.....I'm am an avid Dungeons and Dragons fan, so imagination and creation of stories can be fun.
Delving into mysticism on occassion is and can be hilarious, but then we must come back to reality.Jim Low wrote:
'Anyway, this is absolutely my last post but I thought members might be interested in this. It certainly explains a great deal doesn't it!?'
No, we're not interested. Your posts are too LOW
And about this :
'First - tantrum, no thanks for the offer to be lord over you and your group - not interested. '
I wasn't offering you anything. I was giving you a title I thoght you deserved.
Nothing wrong in being a clown. Thanks for thinking I'm one !
Interesting how you use all the time the word 'interested'
Not interesting, mind ! Goodnight Sufi, I hope you have a great night's sleep.
Hello Tantrum!Have a good day, Earnest and good evening Cagsil and Tantrum. Catch you all later
Really ? So - nothing I can say will stop religionists like you from causing wars?
Too bad.
Guess I should shut up then?
Let you get on with it?
Sure.
It would be better once you realized YOU are the problem.
I miss your sense of humour, you can crack jokes on me ,with me, no problem.
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