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Title My Belief or Non Belief

  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    -Hello, I need help and guidance. I don't know what my title of belief is. If I don't believe the bible, does this make me an atheist? Hmm. I need help, what is my belief or non belief title?

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      Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's up for you to decide not another, thought you were all about individuals and free thinking why would you need someone else to tell you what your beliefs are then...unless this is just another thread to stir up an argument.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Does not all belief have a title?

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          Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not aware of that. I have no title for my belief...as its been labeled 18 different things on these forums by theists and Atheists alike (Yes I've been counting) Here's a question for you. If what you believe explains what you need and gives you the answers you seek why can't that be enough? Why the need for titles and names, which ultimately only serve to categorize you and alienate you from others.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know why most everyone wants or needs a title on their belief. This is why I want a title on mine. So I can fit in and know how it is to have a titled belief.

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              Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Well in that case I'll title your beliefs: argumentative....both ironic and descriptive.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I will have to agree with you there. But, i'm not always argumentative, so this could't be my title. The search continues. lol

    2. prettydarkhorse profile image64
      prettydarkhorseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      hi marine.....being atheist means you dont believe in a deity (GOD)..........but it doesnt mean to say you gonna believe the bible too, you can create your own world belief....and your own bible, as long as you follow kharma......

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        What if none of my belief is absolute. So I could or couldn't believe in a creator without absolute belief. Can non absolute belief have a title?

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image64
          prettydarkhorseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          yes, you can have beliefs which are not absolute, absolute are scary...

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            So my belief could be titled "unabsolute", or "Not a clue". lol

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          Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I think that's called skepticism. How about Fluidism...the belief in no constants, and no absolutes.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            That might be me! Plus, Fluidism is a cool sounding title. lol

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              Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You must become like water my son big_smile

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I am mostly made of water! I am on the path to fluidness!

    3. TimTurner profile image75
      TimTurnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe in the bible or anyones god.  But I'm very spiritual and that's what I tell people.

      I'm not atheist or agnostic. I'm spiritual smile

    4. sooner than later profile image57
      sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      this is another cry for attention in which Marine explains how "individual" he is, and mayby now he is going to say he has created a new movement that has no name yet.

      riveting.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Good try prophet! lol Keep studying your bible.

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      A Texanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Wouldn't that title mean you are a member of that belief system? Then it would certainly mean you are a member of that group, and then that is your government, weird.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        And you don't think the bible is a government? lol

        1. sooner than later profile image57
          sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          you won't get one person to believe what you conjured up while high. how many threads are you going to start with the same message? boring.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't have to prove anything, it proves itself. You worship a government. Any grouped belief is a government. Maybe you should get high. lol

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          A Texanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          What does the bible have to do with your choice to form your own government. You have said many times that you are against any government, the bible means nothing to me, you are just not very consistent. Try again!

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            lol Try what again? What am I forming? Is it a conspiracy? lol

        3. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
          Vladimir Uhriposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Come on marinealway, do not mix up things. Keep definition straight. Bible is document not the govenrment.  smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Amazing. Does the government not write bills and documents? Is that too much for you?

    6. aka-dj profile image78
      aka-djposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Confused. big_smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Me too!

        Wouldn't be any fun if it made sense would it?

        1. aka-dj profile image78
          aka-djposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Stop sniffing that baby. It makes me nervous. hmm

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Why is that?

            1. aka-dj profile image78
              aka-djposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Dunno. It just does. lol

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      Jawa Lunkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Does it matter?

      If you have no belief, then you are an unbeliever.

      But it really doesn't matter because what one believes or does not believe has no bearing on reality, just on your final destination.

    8. ceciliabeltran profile image74
      ceciliabeltranposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you need a label? You don't have to explain anything to anyone other than yourself. Once you do that, your title will come from you.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Maybe my favorite comment of the thread! I started this thread in sarcasm to see the responses I would get of those who title themselves and others. Do you have any titles?

    9. aware profile image70
      awareposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      you surely must be kidding. if not your title is ... empty

      1. Dgerrimea profile image65
        Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yes the OP is kidding.

    10. ediggity profile image61
      ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Your belief is OODA.  The search continues.....

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, it should always be continuous. Why should belief be content in an evolving world? Make sense to you? If you are done searching, you are done learning.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Life is a search of knowledge and understanding. No knowledge can be too much and No understanding can ever be enough.

        2. ediggity profile image61
          ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          There are plenty of things to learn about besides belief.  Even when you find your belief, you can continue to learn about it.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Unless.....Your belief is absolute through faith. Absolute is content.

            1. ediggity profile image61
              ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Please see definition.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Webster is back in the building!

                Webster isn't absolute either. Just words and definitions we use in attempts to explain conscious thought. So you aren't certain about your belief in the bible? You said you had faith in the bible. Is your faith not absolute and content?

                1. ediggity profile image61
                  ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I am certain, as supported by the widely accepted Webster definition.  You and Cagsil should start your own dictionary.  That way you can document, and receive credit for the stuff you make up. The search continues...

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Everything you know or think you know is made up by your conscious or unconscious mind and faith.

          2. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You make a 'belief' sound like it has substance and it doesn't have any substance in reality.

            A belief has to be formed on the basis of the reality of facts.

            If you form a belief on any other basis, you can never 100% believe it to be real.

            Your own consciousness, conscience and sub-conscious will not allow you to 100% belief in something that isn't real.

            Regardless of what you say, it's impossible for you to accomplish that task. There is always going to be a sliver of doubt, because you really do not know. You are hoping.

            That is not a firm foundation for any belief system.

            1. ediggity profile image61
              ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I love the way you like to make up your own definitions for
              things. Here, let merriam help you out:

              Main Entry: be·lief
              Pronunciation: \bə-ˈlēf\
              Function: noun
              Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English gelēafa, from ge-, associative prefix + lēafa; akin to Old English lȳfan — more at believe
              Date: 12th century
              1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
              2 : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
              3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
              synonyms belief, faith, credence, credit mean assent to the truth of something offered for acceptance. belief may or may not imply certitude in the believer <my belief that I had caught all the errors>. faith almost always implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof <an unshakable faith in God>. credence suggests intellectual assent without implying anything about grounds for assent <a theory now given credence by scientists>. credit may imply assent on grounds other than direct proof <gave full credit to the statement of a reputable witness>.
              synonyms see in addition opinion

              There is a very important part of that definition I would like you to pay attention to.  it reads, "may or may not imply certitude"

              No offense, but your Philosophy/definition of belief means nothing to me.

    11. Stimp profile image76
      Stimpposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you feel you need a title.  You can be spiritual and not believe in everything the Bible says.  Who wrote the bible....people wrote the bible, right.  I don't believe everything that everyone says nor do I believe everything I read. it is what it is....is your new title....LOL

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        The 'myth' of him needing a title, was to draw attention from people only.

        Especially, those who practice any sort of religion, because belief among religions is that their religion is correct and all else are wrong. Include, thinking for yourself.

        If you think for yourself, then your outted by all religion beliefs and those who practice religion. You are considered a non-believer. Even, though that label is just that a label.

        When you form logical thought about labelling others, you in essence go against the teachings of religion.

        So, he is simply showing how someone's belief in religion is distorting their own perception of reality about life.

        He is trying to get people to see through their own eyes and not through someone else's perception about life.

        1. Stimp profile image76
          Stimpposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Oooppss....Guess I got sucked into that one.  ~Yaaaawwwn~ I'm tired today.  I need to pay more attention.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            lol lol lol

    12. mobilephone guide profile image60
      mobilephone guideposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      don't be labeled. re-evaluate your belief as many times as you want.

  2. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 8 years ago

    YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE !! big_smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol Thank You! Likewise!

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        cool
        nice 2 C U !

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You as well! Nothing like some belief searching on a Monday morn.  lol

  3. Jonathan Janco profile image70
    Jonathan Jancoposted 8 years ago

    There is no need to pigeon hole belief. If you can not define what you believe, consider yourself lucky and unique.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I want to have a title on my belief so me an others know what I believe.

      1. Jonathan Janco profile image70
        Jonathan Jancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        OK, if it's absolutely necessary, I'd go with existentialism.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          So my belief is that I exist? That could be an illusion. lol

          1. Jonathan Janco profile image70
            Jonathan Jancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, it certainly could be an illusion. Have you ever studied A Course in Miracles?

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Is that a real course?

              1. Jonathan Janco profile image70
                Jonathan Jancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Well, it's a large, Bible-sized book that you can find in bookstores. I know a few people who study it, and I guess it's as real as anything else, which we both concede could be an illusion.

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, I call that the book of contradictions. lol
                  In the search of absolutes, I definately believe the miracle book is an illusion when it defines a contradictory creator. lol

    2. elayne001 profile image58
      elayne001posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I would call you lost - do you want me to send the missionaries?

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        How you can form a belief on something not of facts is ludicris, to say the least.

        If you have to base your belief on a mystical realm which is outside reality, then you've got real problems.

        To believe IN something is to know it is factual 100% authentic.

        The human race has been around for over 10000 years. The 'bible' or religion has been around for less, much less 6000 years.

        The religious text at best is history notes with a mix of mythology. Not factual. Words were left out and purposely, so your mind could dream up whatever 'god' you could imagine.

        Jesus Christ understood what a false god was and could see religious leaders as fakes. Why do you think they had him executed? Not for our sins, but because Jesus Christ knew religion was a hoax.

        That's why he specifically told his disciples not to worship any false gods or idols.

        That is precisely what he told them. Yet, the entire world is engulfed in religion. The interpretation can not be any more BOLD, as to the truth of his words.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 8 years ago

    I was just wondering last night where you've been. You missed out on all the holiday super religious debates. It just wasn't the same without you.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You. I have tried to be more productive with my time lately taking a vacation from the forums. They don't pay and they give me a headache. lol

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    Scott.Lifeposted 8 years ago

    You could be really bold and strike out on your own and create a whole new belief system complete with holy book and dogma. that would be a life's work for sure.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think I could do that. But, this would go against everything I stand for. The reason I despise religion is because it teaches a 1 belief system. A contradicion to having an individual mind.

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        Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah but it will be your own religion, you don't have to share it. That could be commandment number 1...Keepeth the hand off my holy book.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 8 years ago

    Wait I think we're on to something here. Next time someone asks me what I believe I'll say "I'm Fluid" Then walk away, let them figure it out.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol That is a great idea. Always fun to make minds scramble.

    2. Jonathan Janco profile image70
      Jonathan Jancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And the human body is made mostly of water, so I guess we're all fluid.

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        Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        See it's clever, novel, and mostly true, that's close enough for fact by most religious standards.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 8 years ago

    I have attained fluidity...Ohhmm....Ohhmmm

  8. Jonathan Janco profile image70
    Jonathan Jancoposted 8 years ago

    Scott, I think you may have just started the next big trend.

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      Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Damnit now I'll have to rebel again so as not to conform to my own trend. where does it end?

  9. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Absolute Fluidity should be when you only go number 1 and never again go number 2!

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      Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm...true but do we want to institute conditions for membership? then we'd be solid not fluid.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yes! We can make money and control people like religions do! lol

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          Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Well if there's money to be made and global domination at stake then I'm in. Besides we all know preaching something doesn't mean we have to do it. We are becoming a real religion.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, all we would have to do is group our ideas and belief for an agenda and give follower minds something to believe. This is the religious way. lol

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I'm not quite sure. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the freemasons. But, isn't this what they were and did. A group of individual minds/republic that set agendas to control the followers?

  10. The Rope profile image57
    The Ropeposted 8 years ago

    Humans being human = structures and rules.  Define yourself and the "label" will come.  Since humans are 90% water (or so we've been told by the water marketers), I vote for Scott's "Fluidity" smile However, believing in a diety and following your beliefs is usually called "spiritual".

  11. underhiswings profile image56
    underhiswingsposted 8 years ago

    The title of your belief is:

    "KNOW NOTHING"

    That is your prevailing statement time and again in the forums. big_smile
    And you defend this belief with fierceness. mad mad mad

    This releases you for the rest of your life from ever knowing anything and all of your fellow "Know Nothings" will collectively know the sum total of absolutely nothing. big_smile

    Therefore you have no capacity to teach anyone because you know nothing. wink

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      Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Someone is cranky today.

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      My title is  :
      I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING
      Nothing to be afraid of.
      Nothing to be happy for.
      Nothing to cling to.

      1. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          And a little bit of something to be glad that ya got a grip on.   And you have a good grip on it.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          hi jerami ! nice 2 C U !
          Always trying to get a good grip on things lol

      2. underhiswings profile image56
        underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        So is that your title Tantrum or his ? big_smile hmm

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          As it says there, It's my title.
          I speak for myself.

          1. underhiswings profile image56
            underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Nothing to be happy for? About?

            You cling to nothing? Hope? Love?

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I Am talking about God , which I don't believe. Aren't we all ?

              So I don't believe I have to be afraid of him, nor be happy about him, nor cling to him

    3. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol The sad thing is, you know nothing as well!!! All you have are your silly biblical assumptions of absolute belief! If you opened your little mind to understanding absolutes, you would understand how little you know.

  12. underhiswings profile image56
    underhiswingsposted 8 years ago

    No Marine, cannot say that I am sir. smile

    Just gave an honest reply, called it like I saw it honestly. big_smile

    Gave it a lot of thought and tried to be fair sir.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol Thought? Isn't this against your religion? lol

  13. Dgerrimea profile image65
    Dgerrimeaposted 8 years ago

    If could explain what you do believe, as well as/instead of what you don't believe, then we can decide on an appropriate title. Titles only matter when speaking to people with a lot of preconceptions, especially those unwilling to rethink their semantics.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The only thing I believe as absolute is my family because I choose to believe them absolute. This could be wrong as they and myself could be an illusion. So even that belief isn't completely absolute. However, I prefer them absolute!

      1. Dgerrimea profile image65
        Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I'm not too fussed about 'absolute' beliefs, but what for example do you believe about god, the supernatural, fate, free will, morality?

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          An absolute belief is a belief that a person can consciously accept 100% based on facts. It's perfectly known.

          The absolutes I meantioned, are absolutes for every living human, about their life. Those will not change regardless.

        2. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Good questions.

          I don't rule out the possibility of a creator, just the bibles creator. The bible uses simple childish psychology to group believer/follwer minds into one.

          On the supernatural, there are a lot of unexplained things that exist. I believe in the possibility of the supernatural which can't be proven wrong through logic.


          I think fate is partially my decision of free will. I am mixed on this though. I could die an unexpected death on any given day, so possibly my fate isn't only in my hands.


          I think in the search of absolute free will, there are no laws telling an individual what to think or to believe or how to live. Free will to me is no intervention.


          Hmmm, morality I think can be found with group logic such as a republic. I think a lot of moral actions develop by not using contradictions if that makes any sense.

          1. Dgerrimea profile image65
            Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You are an atheist because you lack belief in a personal god, and you are a sceptic because you are open minded, but require evidence before forming concrete beliefs.

            I agree with you on everything except free will. If you define free will as lack of outside intervention into the decisions you make then I agree, but I wouldn't word it so generously. I believe free will to be a self contradictory idea.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              lol Your title is wrong. If I ruled out the possibility of a creator, then I would be atheist. How did you come to your conclusive assumption? I don't have any concrete beliefs except for my family. There is no evidence that my family isn't an illusion. I simply have faith to believe in them. This does not make them absolute. I was created by my parents, it is logical to me for the possibility of a creator, not absolute. What do you mean free will as self contradictory, because we can die and lose free will at any given time?

              1. Dgerrimea profile image65
                Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                By many people's definitions you would be an atheist because you lack belief in a creator. You don't have to rule it out to qualify for 'atheist'. Richard Dawkins doesn't rule out the possibility of a creator.

                With regard to free will, the reason it is contradictory is because it requires both multiple possible outcomes and a consciousness to choose between them. These two things are never both true in the same instance.

                If you admit to forming concrete beliefs despite lack of evidence then I retract my labelling of you as a sceptic.

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Is it possible to have a concrete belief when not believing in absolutes? The dawkins example is a perfect example of how believers will generalize and class individuals together that don't believe the silly bible. I think believers feel that everyone that doesn't believe the bible must share a non belief since they themselves are belief dependent.

                  1. Dgerrimea profile image65
                    Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Whether you believe in absolutes or not, you will hold some beliefs more strongly than others. When I say 'concrete beliefs', you should read this as 'the strongest kinds of beliefs that you do/can hold'.

  14. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 8 years ago

    It is a good thing when we find something worth grippin onto.

  15. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    I have two absolutes for you....

    (1) reality exists independent of desires, will, wishes or thoughts. reality is all knowable.

    (2) moral right and wrong- any action that is beneficial to society is right and any action that is harmful to society is wrong.

    You live by those two absolutes and there is no room for 'god' or belief in one.

    If you take it one step further- religious beliefs require an individual to place themselves second to the word of 'god's' will.

    To be human is to be self-responsible. You must take care of yourself, at all costs, to ensure you have a future.

    To do so, you need to have FULL control over your life.

    Besides- Jesus Christ wanted YOU to be a God on Earth(Heaven) and he did NOT want you to get sucked into religious teachings.

    Jesus Christ, a human male, who saw atrocities happening, when he was alive. He saw millions of people enslaved to religious leaders. Because they didn't know any better.

    Why do you think he told his disciples- Worship no false gods or idols. He didn't want you in religion.

    The only GOD you are to worship is yourself. That's it!

    1. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Ya might have a point  BUT   Are Ya sure Ya didn't leave anyone or something back at the station

    2. sooner than later profile image57
      sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      new age rubbish. We can't determine where a booger will hit the floor when we flick it, what makes you think we have and godly status.

      sorry, but I have heard all this before.

      You don't serve Him, you serve the devil. That simple.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol Ignorance! Blame it on the devil. lol

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I realize that your own ego would not get high enough to reach godly status, per se, but why don't you get yourself a little bit more credit.

        What your opinion of me and how I think is completely my doing. You want to see me in a negative aspect, go right ahead. You will be the one doing damage to your life.

        Your negativity isn't for me to judge, but I would like to let you in on a little secret I learned a long time ago- never view anything in a negative aspect- it creates unwarranted stress on the body and ages you more quickly.

        And, you know what- YOU are right- I don't deserve a 'god' in my life. I have control of my life and I live my life according to my upbringing, moral standard and a high value on life.

        I do not NEED a 'god' in my life. I am doing just fine without him or it.

  16. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    Yawn... nighty night marine.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do you think I am posessed by the devil?

      1. sooner than later profile image57
        sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You are "of" the devil. being as you have read... i mean... wait are 3/4 of the way through the bible "snicker", you would know why I said the word "of".

        do you know why i said "of". smile

        bet not.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I don't have a clue. The devil has blinded me! How am I of the devil?

          1. sooner than later profile image57
            sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Because you are not "of" God. See how easy scripture is. smile

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I'm not favored to be "of" God? Why is that? Did God cast me to the devil?

        2. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
          Vladimir Uhriposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          sooner than later, do you agree with me, we have many empty poppy seed heads around? No wonder our country is dysfunctional. Whose fall is it?

          1. sooner than later profile image57
            sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I couldn't agree more. I have tried to get marine to understand the things that HE says. I cant move forward with the subject until I correct his missuse of the words and their deffinitions that make up the english language.

            but he is one of many. most of the time I ignore him and those like him, but sometimes I wonder if one of these are educating children right now... and I have to interject so that we don't get any dumber. But it really could be a full time job and it's hardly worth it.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              lol You are the ignorant one with no self awareness. You simply fail to see the psycology of your silly belief book. Keep praying to government. lol

          2. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            How many innocent deaths have been caused from your silly belief of absolutes thinking you are favored for your belief.

  17. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    You lost some of my respect when you said you would read, and you didn't. You lost the rest when you started 15 threads with the same rubbish.

    Now get your last word in because my much needed services are no longer available.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol you people really make things too easy. How am I not "of" God? How am I "of" the devil?

      Does this look logical and sane to you? lol

  18. underhiswings profile image56
    underhiswingsposted 8 years ago

    There is a difference between "the facts" and "the truth"

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Mine are not  'the facts' or ' the truths'
      they are 'my' facts and truths

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Excellent!


        Although, his faith blinded mind will not see how deep your comment goes since he believes in absolute faith and belief as all truth. He has no comprehension of an individual belief.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Oh !
          Does this mean I pass to the next grade ? big_smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            No, this means you and I are "of" the devil and not "of" god because you don't believe the silly contradictory bible psychology!

            We wasn't supposed to think! lol

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              OH !.....








              .....I SEE ! lol

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                You see the light! lol

  19. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    I do not accept that "Jesus" ever lived.
    Like the bible, the reason it reads like it does is because it copies what came before it. Jesus is a long way from the first "Jesus like" story! smile

    1. sooner than later profile image57
      sooner than laterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      yes earnest, we know. You have over 6,000 posts that say so. do do do do yo you have a stu stud studder in real life or just in the forums?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think so, but watch your math. You have over 700 in two months. lol

  20. sooner than later profile image57
    sooner than laterposted 8 years ago

    350 per month to your 500. Maybe I will get better as time goes on. Will you help me?

    All jokes aside, I bet you and I would get along outside of religious beliefs.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe your right, I do not find many people I dislike personally. smile I never bother with religion away from the forums. I get right up there about blockheads having a god that finds car keys for em though! The world needs better help than that from a god!

  21. profile image0
    Scott.Lifeposted 8 years ago

    You all aren't being too Fluid, you have to focus, these other religions are distracting you from your new belief.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I am focused Sir. I am amused when the bible believers come in to assault any individual ideas or beliefs. They never fail, quite predictable like their book of belief.

      This is what happens when they have absolute belief. They lose self awareness and accept contradictions through faith. Quite cultish. I also enjoy when they get emotional over their beliefs. Another flaw in absolute belief when it is driven by emotion.

      1. profile image0
        Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        That is why we must be water and let their attacks flow through us and keep on going, meanwhile our constant pressure will slowly erode the bedrock of their fragile hold on reality, water carved the grand canyon man. Be FLUID big_smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I agree and I like it!

        2. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I can't. I'm  a Hell of a FIRE ! lol

          1. profile image0
            Scott.Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Ever seen fire flow across a floor, there's nothing more Fluid, constantly changing and adapting to find more fuel. Fire is a living breathing thing. It's a beast that hunts and kills, it gives life to barren landscapes and empty forests. It creates by destroying, that's Fluid for sure.

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              lol But you were talking about water. fluid water.

            2. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Ah, but the fire must have oxygen. If the oxygen is taken, the fire dies. Where does oxygen play in?

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                If you don't have oxygen, you die as well
                Without oxygen water wouldn't exist either
                May be we should worship OXYGEN !
                lol

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  lol You have a point.

      2. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Beliefs are always driven by emotions!
        A logical person doesn't have beliefs, he has 'proofs '

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I think thought and belief should be separated from emotions to find logic. I believe emotion contradicts logic. I could be wrong.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I figured I should add an example to explain myself.

            Take a serial rapist/killer that has lived a life of crime. What would an emotional punishment be? Most likely death.

            I believe the emotions should be separated. I belive a logical decision would be to study this persons mind, psychology, upbringing to see where the parents and society went wrong in raising this person. If the person was put to death, we would learn nothing. If we studied the person, we could possibly limit future repeated crimes if we learned how they begin.

  22. topgunjager profile image61
    topgunjagerposted 8 years ago

    Believe is such a strong word, is it not true that if you believe in something you will do anything to defend it, even make up your own stuff just to prove a point? You'll probably even ignore evidence that's thrown in your face if you "believe" in something, maybe having an idea is better? I think it keeps you more open to reality and have better judgement=)

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well said. I agree with you. I think people allow their belief to take them over when it is based/driven/taught/preached through emotions.

  23. fishtiger58 profile image78
    fishtiger58posted 8 years ago

    Agnostic means you dont know if there is a god or not. Does that help

    1. Dgerrimea profile image65
      Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No, because it's not quite true. 'Atheist' and 'agnostic' have different meanings depending on who you are talking to. 'Agnostic' typically means either lack of knowledge, or denial of the possibility of knowledge. 'Atheist' typically means either lack of belief in gods, or belief that there are no gods.

      1. qwark profile image58
        qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Hi Dgerrimea:
        For many years I considered myself to be a "strong" atheist. I finally realized my "intellectual" mistake: there are no atheists.
        The "English" definition of atheist is: " One who denies the existence of god."
        One must be able to define, FACTUALLY, what this god thing is if one is to consider "it" as being anything other than an abstract concept conceived by the fancifull imagination of an incipient, fearful and superstitious human creature.
        There is no extant scripture that does that and, the English dictionary definition of "it" is vague and based soley upon opinion and conjecture.
        How can one deny the existence of "god" if "it" is unknown, unknowable, undefinable and incorporeal? One can only deny the imagined concept of it.
        There are no "atheists," only "atheistconcepts."
        Qwark

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Speak for yourself!
          Don't assume others are so stupid as not knowing what they are or aren't !

          1. qwark profile image58
            qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I never speak for others. "Stupid" is but dullness of mind.
            I speak from points backed by logic and reason.
            If one is "ignorant" and hasn't the intellectual acumen to visualize reality, then I can understand your response.
            Qwark

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You can't understand my response because you don't understand your post, then !
              lol

              1. qwark profile image58
                qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Why don't you respond with a, "hopefully" viable opposing comment? Are you able?
                Qwark

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  sorry didn't get this earlier.
                  You said

                  'How can one deny the existence of "god" if "it" is unknown, unknowable, undefinable and incorporeal? One can only deny the imagined concept of it.
                  There are no "atheists," only "aconcepts."
                  Qwark

                  Stating there are no atheist is speaking for others.
                  I'm an Atheist, because I don't believe in God, or any god for the matter.
                  Any person can deny God even if it's an incorporesal being. what we are denying as atheists in the idea of a  God governing us.  Creating us, looking after us, etc.
                  I think we're capable of doing that ?
                  It's not that we don't believe in concepts. Concepts are a fact, the moment a mind thinks about them. So we are not 'aconcepts'

                  That's why I said  that if you didn't understand my answer ,you didn't understand your post.
                  I think you got your 'concepts' all mixed up .

        2. Dgerrimea profile image65
          Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          'Atheist' can also mean 'one who lacks a belief in gods'. This is a very common definition, and one under which one can be an atheist even without a definition for 'god'.
          However, even if you decide to define 'atheist' as 'one who denies the existence of gods', then only a vague definition for 'god' is needed because even a vague definition can be denied.

          1. qwark profile image58
            qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I am a native English speaking American. My English dictionary does not intimate that: " 'Atheist' can also mean 'one who lacks a belief in gods'(plural)." The word "god" is singular in the definition.
            If you'd like to consider "gods," their creation and purpose in the evolution of the human species, "they" have all been inspired by fear and superstition in the minds of an abjectly ignorant, infant species desperately trying to understand and survive. What makes one think that the 'god" of contemporary man has been created any differently?
            The vast majority of extant humanity, live life as it existed thousands of years ago.
            Science has progressed to the point of making ancient "gods" definable.
            Human sophistication has caused the "imagination" to create supernatural, abstract divinities which cannot be defined and only exist in the minds of the ignorant and easily led. Leaders of monotheistic movements understand this weakness in human nature and have taken full advantage of it, for many millenia, to gain and hold control and power over the multitudes.
            Logic and reason easily provide an attitude which denies "vague definitions."
            Qwark

            1. Dgerrimea profile image65
              Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              It doesn't matter what the dictionary says about the meaning of 'atheist' because, contrary to popular belief, dictionaries don't define words. They are a guide to diction, and as a secondary function they provide a rough guide to the common usage of the word so that you know which word you're pronouncing. Words are defined by their usage.
              I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make by making that distinction, so take this as a general comment rather than a reply/rebuttal/argument/whatever.

              1. qwark profile image58
                qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                ...really? Dictionaries don't define words? Dang! Here I spent 6 college years wearing out the darn things! My profs never told me that it doeasn't matter what dictionaries say! I'm angry as hell! Here all the time I thought the dictionary was  a reference book containing an alphabetical list of words, with information given for each word, usually including meaning, pronunciation, and etymology! Well, anyway, I got 2 graduate degrees before I met you on this forum, but it sure would'a been helpful if I could have met you before I wasted all that time money and hours studying the info in 'em...hey, it's never to late to learn!   Thanks loads...:-)
                Qwark

                1. Dgerrimea profile image65
                  Dgerrimeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey just be thankful you didn't meet me any later in life, or you'd be even more disillusioned! Don't worry, the pain will numb and your sense of balance will return shortly.

                  1. qwark profile image58
                    qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I want to thank you profoundly(amen!) for the thoughtful(?), informative(?), knowledgeable(?) and well written(?) responses you provided.
                    I hope others who are involved in this "format" read your comments and understand with clarity, the depth of your scholarly and erudite(?) approach to life and reality...:-)(chuckle)
                    Qwark

  24. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    There is no 'title' for my belief or non-belief.

    I follow NO religion whatsoever.

    I reject all religions. Each has nothing to do with life.

    If you seek spirituality, then I suggest you look inside yourself.

    If you don't like what you see- then I suggest you CHANGE your attitude and way of thinking.

    If you don't believe in yourself, then you will not be able to change anything about your life.

    How ever, if you have the understanding that your life is your own, then you can realize that you can make whatever changes you decide.

    If you can't realize that your life is your own or refuse to take responsibility for your thoughts and actions, then I would say that your view about life is skewed and wrong.

    If you want to ask such questions of WHY does the human race lives? This question is too general to be answered based on the simple fact that people have individual thoughts and actions, and there is NO COLLECTIVE answer for the entire race. As each person can determine their own purpose, there is no collective purpose for mankind. Hence, that question is a question that never needs to be explained or answered.

    How the Earth came? See science.

    How the Universe came to be? See science.

    Where did mankind come from? See science's uncompleted works.

    Is Evolution a solid fact? Yes, Evolution is based on things mankind would eventually figure out or happen. The simple fact that YOU are walking around is proof of Evolution.

    What proof? The Human Consciousness is solid proof of Evolution. Mankind was NOT always conscious of their existence. The leap from 'animal' instinctive living to human consciousness is proven fact of evolution.

  25. pylos26 profile image78
    pylos26posted 8 years ago

    For goodness sake!...all you bad bad people talking about precious jesus in such a bad bad manner…it just makes me ill ill ill…all you lugheads should be ashamed…and punished…in the name of jesus.

    Pylos

  26. Dgerrimea profile image65
    Dgerrimeaposted 8 years ago

    tongue

  27. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Are you two done?

    1. qwark profile image58
      qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ..your turn Cagsil...lol

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Well, you can start?

        Where we going to begin?

        lol

        1. qwark profile image58
          qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Cagsil:
          You have the advantage. You have read my thoughts. I know nothing about you. Pick a subject. if you present it well, if your intellect piques my curiosity and the subject does the same, I'm always up for a "chat."
          Qwark

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            That's okay. I started talking to too many people in too many different forums.

            Lost track of all the ones I visited. That's why so long for the reply.

            Well, I not sure what to tell you. I'm a confident person who has discovered an unusual clarity about life. I don't see my kind of clarity in other people.

            I'm still working on that. An unanswered question, I have.

            Otherwise, I'm of no religious belief or affiliations. After 15 years as a catholic student, and many other years of research, I finally got questions I wanted answered, as pertaining to life. In my journey for answers- I was introduced to philosophers, science professors, guru's of all kinds, researchers and historians. I even learned more about the human being, the study of the body and mind.

            I have learned that each person has the same ability as me and can have the same clarity, and focus I have. I've learned to appreciate life, because once it's gone- it's over.

            There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no satan, there is no god, there is no tooth-fairy, there is no santa clause.

            Sorry folks- it's just us lonely little human beings, on this huge rock called - EARTH!

            That's the reality of it.

            So, let's see where we go from here?

            1. qwark profile image58
              qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              cagsil:
              "There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no satan, there is no god, there is no tooth-fairy, there is no santa clause." "I've learned to appreciate life, because once it's gone- it's over."
              Well said! That IS reality!
              Thank you.
              Qwark

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                And, if MORE people realized that their life evolves around living in reality, then they would realize that there is no life after death or a after-life, and would appreciate and value their individual life MORE than they do.

                Religion preaches that people are to have no pride. It preaches that mankind is no better than dirt.

                We(humans) are seen by religion as nothing better than animals, when in FACT we are superior to every animal on the planet, because WE(humans) evolved to consciousness.

                Mankind was NOT always a conscious individual. The Human Consciousness is proof of evolution exists.

                1. qwark profile image58
                  qwarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  cagsil:
                  Sorry, if you do not know that man IS an animal, ( a mammal,) there is no way we can chat "meaningfully."
                  Your use of English leaves much to be desired.
                  Qwark

  28. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    I sure it wouldn't considering you don't live life in reality 100% of the time.

    I'm sure it would be really confusing.

    1. ediggity profile image61
      ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I don't live life in reality.  I'm not the one who is making things up to make a point, but I'm the one not living in reality.  LOL, you kill me.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Reality is what you believe it is.

        1. ediggity profile image61
          ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Whatever you say. He brought it up not me.

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Reality exists free of independent thoughts, desires, will, or wishes. Reality is all knowable.

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I'm not making up anything.

        Before you can FORM a belief? Or even think about forming a belief- you must have knowledge and understanding. If what you know is wrong or your understanding of what you know is wrong.

        Then your belief is wrong. That makes YOU wrong.

        It's actually quite simple.

        1. ediggity profile image61
          ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Do you have knowledge and understanding of acoustic resonance frequencies?  Do you believe the sound of a horn is loud when you hear it?

          It is actually quite simple.

  29. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Can you say "stay on topic"?

    lol

    1. ediggity profile image61
      ediggityposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have knowledge and understanding of acoustic resonance frequencies?  Do you believe the sound of a horn is loud when you hear it?

      It is actually quite simple.

      That is quite relevant to the topic, but you don't understand it, so therefore according to you, you will never believe it.  And if you ever did believe it, what you know would be wrong, because you have no knowledge or understanding of it (unless however you studied it and gained knowledge and understanding of it).  So, what you know and believe about a horn being loud is wrong, because you have no knowledge or understanding of why or what makes it that way. Only myself and other individuals who understand harmonics actually believe a horn is loud. 

      Again, you make things up to try and get your point across.  In the end, I will take Webster, and my "belief" under your definition any day. LOL.  Keep searching.....

  30. profile image0
    Denno66posted 8 years ago

    Um, dude. Who stole my car? lol

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You need to prove there is no afterlife before you say there isn't one. Psssst. Wanna buy a letter K? wink

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          lol lol

          1. profile image0
            Denno66posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            lol

  31. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    Boy did this forum quiet all of a sudden.

    lol lol lol

  32. qwark profile image58
    qwarkposted 8 years ago

    There will be an execution tonite! I will rejoice at the "deletion" of a beastly member of the human species which proved itself to be worthy of "it's" Execution! I have written a "hub" on my feelings about punishment for the commitment of heinous and extremely offensive "capital" crimes.
    Qwark

  33. qwark profile image58
    qwarkposted 8 years ago

    Have any of you thought seriously about what the purpose of "ALL" life on this planet is?
    Qwark

 
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