What is the Anti-Christ?

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Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years ago
What if during the time that the Roman Senate was creating Christianity, there was another group of people creating a resistance to this new religious movement. What if they we're called the "Anti-Christians" and that was shortened to the "Anti-Christ". What if they still existed today, and today were called something like the mob, or mafia?
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  christianity was not born in the roman senate, it did go to Rome and was adopted some 300 years later as the religion of Rome
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Christianity the concept maybe not, the church however was born there, and is there still. The doctrine was debated there and put on paper in Rome.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot stop myself from responding with the hackneyed, dusty old phrase:
  
  "Where are you going with this...?"
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hopefully to greater understanding, and a better perspective of the world.
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  cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I must take exception to your use of the word Mafia as an opposite to Christianity,there just a bunch of nice guys trying to make a living like the rest of us.
  
  Did I do good Guido?...
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  Dim Flaxenwickposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  1st john chptr 4 vs 3 plainly states that anyone against Christ is 'anti-christ' and is already in the world. That was written in the 1st century A.D.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm an antichrist.
  Pleased to meet you !
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hope you guessed my name...whoo whoooo
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what the Hell.....
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  weblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But why do you hide your face for that?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't.
  a month ago I showed my face.
  Last week all of me
  Now My body, just for a joke
  
  and about you
  
  Why are you hiding behind that girl, man ?
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  weblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think I knew that and I wasn't asking seriously
  
  I don't hide anything with an intention, I don't reveal on my own either. My friends on HubPages know what I am
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  good to know
  
  I'm not your friend so I didn't.
  I just guess.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  mooooooooOOOOOO
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  weblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We can be friends, that's different.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course we can !
  We are now !
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If I were going to be an "anti Mikel G Roberts"
  I would talk about him being a real person. I would talk about him being a good man and that everyone should follow him.
  BUT.. I would teach a diffrent message. I would stay as close to his beliefs an is possible while achieving MY GOALS.
  This is how I would do it, if I were the AntiMike.
  
  And everyone would think that I was for him; instead of being for myself.
  But that's just how I see it.
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  B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My opinion only : our US Government
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DogSiDaedposted 13 years ago
I'm not sure about this, obviously Satanism would be a group worshipping that which is commonly known as the Anti-Christ. Some Anti-Theists by their nature are anti-christian, or rather, they oppose the feasability of the stories by which the religion is founded, not necessarily it's absolute morality. By what you say, you could even argue that Jews were 'the Anti-Christians'. In short, yes I am sure people opposed Christianity, and most were silenced. More specifically, I don't believe that one organisation stood for this and is now known as 'the mob' or 'the mafia' as this reflects criminal purpose, and it is not a crime to say you have no belief in the lord.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Today in the United States that is true, but we're talking about in Rome, several thousand years ago...The jews weren't in Rome in the time period I'm referencing.
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kessposted 13 years ago
Antichrist is actually Those called christian.
For they have made an image of the christ to worship as the Father in place of the Christ.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree they glorify Jesus instead of God, and make Jesus out to be a white european man and not the arabic man he was. But isn't it true by their beliefs that Jesus and God are one in the same?
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Christ is the spirit of truth found within.
  
  The image is the man combined with the mouth they have given him to speak with ( bible).
  
  And the doctrine of the trinity effectively consolidate the image as the father himself.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Any and all doctrines in religion have goals or endings, which cannot be achieved or are destructive to the nature of one's well being or life.
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 13 years ago
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This verses are used to justify the lie.
  
  I may think that they did not read it properly but even with clarification they will not change their ways.
  
  For they themselves deny that "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh".
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those Cavemen we're eloquent writers weren't they. I wonder what they could have written had they had more than a grade school education? And are you sure it was John that wrote that? Or was it a Roman Senator pretending to be John?
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
It's a MYTH!

End of story.

Thank you so very much.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Cagsil!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Even myths are reflections/images of truth.
  
  Is it then a reflective image or real image of truth?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is a real image of truth without a doubt.
  It is the truth about the human condition. Itself a pack of manipulative ploys to enforce loyalty to a bunch of ignoramus.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure I do agree, but is the image reflective or real?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The book is real, it is made by man. Not god. It's mass reproduced, by the BUSINESS called Religion.
  
  Religion to be in business, as a religion, it had to pick a code of ethics, which were bound to a higher cause or meaning.
  
  Therefore, you are TOLD how to live. You are TOLD how to think. And, YOU are TOLD how to act.
  
  The MAIN REASON for many of the problems in the world today is directly related to individual's inability to see the difference between real and fake.
  
  Anyone, who has a belief in God is one-sided bias, blindful of any kind of logic, reasoning or understanding. It's a mystical cover each person over their life, so as to give their life more meaning than themselves could produce.
  
  Which is absolutely ludicris, because the highest cause in the World is HUMANKIND as a whole. The FACT that this is being dismissed, at the hands of a pathetic, hateful and disgusting egotistical maniac, known as God, is beyond any comprehension.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  WOW that's a lot of anger.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, a lot of anger. I finished my study work and at the end of the ROAD.....I got my answer to life, that I have been wanting for years.
  
  Is GOD real? Was one of them. I know now he is not. Therefore, I can now let my conscience take over as my authority and be done with religions and religious leaders.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you happy?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Believe it or not, I am much more happier now than I was. I have a much lighter weight on my shoulders, because I don't think there is someone supposedly watching over me or paying attention to what I do.
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is of course real, our submission to that reality brings peace. It resonates in the service of the whole man which includes the spiritual side of man. The fact that some men have taken advantage in the name of God does not erase His existence
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you reading only the posts you want to read?
  
  Please GOD isn't any more real than SANTA Clause or the Easter Bunny!
  
  Please- let's keep it within in reality.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe that God is a man, but other than that, what your saying seems reasonable
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Makes sense? In what language?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He does have a poetic style of writing, that I think makes him feel...more holy? But the words even though you won't agree with them, do ring true to me. I however do believe in an unlimited, supreme being (because if there is a lowest form of life, there has to be a highest form of life) that doesn't mean that what presigo believes the "highest form of life" is , is what I think that entity is...understand??
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't YOU the highest form of LIFE on this damn planet?
  
  And, now you want to pass that honor on to someone else, who doesn't exist?
  
  Are you listening to yourself?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Someone? or something.... I simply believe that if there is a lowest there has to be a highest, I'm not trying to say I know what or how that "highest" being is... what is the highest life-form I don't know... I'm pretty sure it isn't humanity, and whether the highest life form turns out to be an "unlimited" being or not remains to be seen. But that is where my logic has taken me.I don't think humanity is alone in the universe, evidently you do?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What makes you say it isn't Humanity?
  
  Why can't Humanity be the highest cause for life?
  
  Why can't Humans, who create individual thoughts and actions, so they can live their life, create their own future?
  
  Who is to say what the future has in store for Humans?
  
  But, as it stands right now, from everything we know and have learned- WE ARE IT!
  
  So, please tell me....How is Humanity can't be the toast of this hereby Planet called Earth?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe "on Earth" humanity is the top of the ladder. I just can't believe in the vastness of the universe that we are alone, and I guess I feel it would be arrogant to assume that we(humanity) are the best of the best in the universe. That may be the case however, we may be the first species to have developed to the level we are at. If so maybe we are the highest form of life in existence. I hope however that that isn't the case. I am comforted by the existence of something greater than me.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you raving and ranting?
  I understand you passion but we must seek truth.
  
  We cannot just dismiss the images without first knowing what it was designed to show or hide.
  
  So reflective or real is the image?
  
  Knowing this will guide you to the truth.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You want to seek the truth, put aside all religion and any understanding that you think you have- LIVE your life for 1 week, without a GOD at all. I'm sure you'll miss it, but you will not be any worse for wear at the end of the week.
  
  I say to do this, because the purpose of religion is to give you a code of ethics to live by. This can be done easily, by simply explaining to you...what are moral absolutes in life.
  
  Which I also found on my research- No one in the world will admit to moral absolutes, because then they can't honestly say that they have been morally right all their life, because the truth is- there isn't a single person on the planet who can say that they have been morally right.
  
  NONE! Not one!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree completely, not one single person!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Myths are mythological stories, told to little immature kids who want to be told a bedtime story.
  
  There is NO truth in myths.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that Myths start out in truth, and with each re-telling they are exaggerated, and lose the base truth they started in...
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure Casgil,
  but the stories are comprehensible to the mind, therefore it is an image of truth but not truth itself.
  
  But to correctly critersize the myth we must know of it's nature.
  Is it then a real or reflective image?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's neither. It's a STORY that was discovered and never proven to have been real. Images don't make real Even a reflection in the mirror is distorted by one's perspective or perceptions of oneself.
  
  Myths are subjective, open to interpretation, but since not based on factual truth, it's nothing of value or meaning.
  
  You put an image in your head, then try to tell yourself it is truth, but you can't be positive, then your consciousness, your conscience and your subconscious will be able to tell you.
  
  I had someone rip apart one of my posts, to make himself look better. He said, He knows GOD is real and he knows because his Conscience isn't telling him he is wrong.
  
  I know he is lying, because no matter how hard you try, you cannot under any circumstances fool your conscience, your subconscious or even your own sense of life, of ALL DOUBT about factual truths. YOU listen to yourself honestly and you're realize GOD doesn't exist.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see you are agree and disagree with me one and the same time.
  I therefore conclude you either did not understand the question or you do not understand truth.
  
  If you have truth the answer would them obvious.
  If you understand the guestion,then seeking the answer should guide you to truth.
  
  For all of existance including our words will eventually point to truth with out fail.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree with you that Myths are anything but stories.
  
  I agreed with your other post, only because, my interpretation from your statement on who was free and who was enslaved?
  
  I saw it differently, but found that I could agree with you.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But I surely wish you can understand that all stories, whether they be myths or facts are product of the Human mind and are all images of truth.
  
  And can be manipulated in such a way as to distort a certain truth.
  
  Recognising a distortion of truth is one thing but unless one actually knows the truth, he is none the better.
  
  Every story may be a mixture of reflective or real ,shadows or full color of images of truth.
  
  Otherwise they would be senseless babble.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't understand what your saying...???
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Self protection built in! Convenient!
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goldenpathposted 13 years ago
The anti-Christ is any individual, organization or agenda that is directly influenced by the adversary. It is not possible for the "anti-Christ" to be incarnate of evil or that being a spawn or literal being of the devil as is popularly characterized in modern thought and Hollywood.

Yes, those who opposed the Christ back then were anti-Christ. However, the common thought today of what the anti-Christ is - is greatly skewed and is much more sinister and clever than anyone gives credit for. The adversary and those who first followed him were never and shall never be granted a physical body. Those in life who have come under the influence of such have done so either by personal weakness or outright willingness.
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree on your definition of the anti-christ, there have been many who oppose the Lord, it is an urging of the heart
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oppose the "Lord" or the Roman Senate?
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Lord, the senate is not to be lumped in with Christ, it is our interpetation as we associate christianity with the Roman Catholic Church of that time, we have watched too many movies like Davinci code I think.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't understand what you mean by "it is our interpetation as we associate christianity with the Roman Catholic Church of that time, we have watched too many movies like Davinci code I think"
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Religion and religious leaders USURP power, wealth and control of people who are not smart enough to guide themselves. It indoctrinates thousands for absolute no other cause, but that of manipulation.
  
  Please.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think fear of the unknown is another reason some people follow religion.They seldom seem to really believe their own stuff in my view.
  Hello XTASIS.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  their own stuff?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, their own stuff. Once you get a bunch of religionists together, the more they talk, the more they disseminate in to their own version of what their tome has to say about it.
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  XTASISposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the Antichrist are the ones that in name of Christ preach separatism and hate for the non believers.
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again I take exception, albeit respectfully. Religion is of no use if it is in the service of man. Throughout the ages men have used religion to manipulate, not just Christianity, but all religions. Christianity just gets blamed a lot. Spirituality is a significant part of the human condition, and unfortunately some men have chose to take advantage and do ill with what God intended for good.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OH I have to disagree with you for the first time Presigo, religion IS for the people, God is all powerful, God has no needs, people have needs, people need God, people need religion. Not all people some do fine with out religion, but religion is about addressing the needs of people. However with the rest of your statement I must agree. (and I think I would like you if we ever met )
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I do agree with you on the need for religion. The point I was attempting to make was that individual men have at times manipulated the devotion people feel towards God, men have taken advantage of peoples need for God and religion. This has resulted in hardening of individuals hearts and turning people from God in response to percieved "holy " mens actions. B y the way I do believe that this is the exception and not the rule. But the few examples have become much fodder for those to not believe.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If I may,
  Those who have found life to be their religion are free.
  
  Those who have made religion their life are enslaved.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it's pretty but I don't think I understand it.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those who have found life to be their religion are free.
  
  Those who have made religion their life are enslaved.
  
  You don't understand these two comments, yet you're arguing about religion?
  
  WOW!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Believe it or not....well said.
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again I do disagree though with respect for your views, I have found the freedom of the Lord that I did not have before I knew Him. I realize others have had a different experience, I believe this is a result of the failings of man, resulting in the hardening of individual hearts and blaming of God
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And, again you would be wrong.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think your experience is valid, Presigo, and yet I do not believe that Jesus was literally God incarnate.
  
  In the eyes of many this makes me a heretic, and of course I would have been burned at the stake for saying this not too, too long ago...
  
  I personally think it is irrelevant whether Jesus was actually God incarnate, because I think the Christian story is pointing you towards the possibility of a 'regenerated' life of the kind you have experienced, and now have, and which many others could also have.
  
  And I believe this has been for you, and can be, a totally transformative experience.
  
  But belief in the Bible as literal truth has never been a condition of 'salvation' in any presentation of doctrine I have ever heard, so why do so many seem to think it is so important?
  
  Just thought I'd throw some ideas into the mix...!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm glad you did.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Whereas you are better than that! You religionists ego's stand out a mile!
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truly I do not take conceit in my faith. Ego meaning me, is not the subject nor object of my faith
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you don't. You're not suppose to have any form of PRIDE in you.
  
  Pride is the essence of character, not a fault.
  
  You are to be selfless too.
  
  How ever, did you know- if you remain selfless it will kill you?
  
  Sorry, to be the barer of bad news.
  
  To be selfless in Life is in contradiction to the nature of man and woman.
  
  Thank you.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Come now, "pride" can be used in two different ways; pride in yourself is obviously a good thing, if you mean pride in your accomplishments, etc. But "arrogance" is not a good thing. Pride is just used in more than one way, depending on context...
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse me? Religion and Religious LEADERS do not make any attempt to let people know that there is a difference or even a distinction of meanings.
  
  It says- NO PRIDE!
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  May Please do not let the premise of the christian faith be reduced to selflessness. We are to love others as we love ourselves. We are not called to love ourselves less, but to love others more and akin to our affection for ourselves.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dont need no bible readin to know that!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again, Religion doesn't make the distinction.
  
  It asks you take a leap of faith on no factual scripture. It doesn't call for individuality, it calls for-
  
  "MIME, Conscience, Subconscious"
  
  That's mimicking. That leads one to believe that they don't want YOU or Others to see their own human consciousness, which is their life's essence.
  
  Is there something I'm missing, besides the fact that there is NO FACTUAL evidence to even support God's existence, in the first place.
  
  So, please.
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Our bodies are "animated" by our spirit. Once someone has passed that which remains is flesh, which soon rots. while the spirit remains in the body it is alive or animated, that spirit has its origin in the creator, or God.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My wording is that the human body is like a cocoon for the soul...
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  very eloquently stated !
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you're missing a lot.
  
  There's a huge difference between (1) declaring no evidence exists and (2) recognizing that no evidence has been found yet to support the existence of God.
  
  In other words, just because we aren't aware of any such evidence, it doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.
  
  The possibility that there is such evidence but we simply haven't discovered it yet has to be considered.
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very well said, my compliments
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. Just trying to be fair and open-minded.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm coming at this "from both sides", because I was once "born again", then wrestled myself out of it, got a stack of training in the history of religions, world religions, philosophy, and so on, spent a long time denying the validity of the born again experience, and then realized that I was missing the boat.
  
  What do I mean? Canadian theologian Tom Harpur just published a book called the Pagan Christ. He considers himself a Christian who has a real, transformative experience of Christ.
  
  But he does not think the Bible should be taken literally, not even the Gospels.
  
  This works for me. I can understand that you can be transformed by Christ, as it is worded, and STILL that the story of Easter did not happen (or at least, not the Resurrection and the Incarnation).
  
  I mean, isn't it possible that human beings might be transformed by a deep, important truth, that touches them? Why not?
  
  The problem comes when you start going on Crusades, or blowing yourself up, for these beliefs. Which is why so many people hate religion so much. That and, of course, so many Christians are so rude and pushy, and, frankly judgmental -- who wants to hear that!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The only thing I disagree with is the use of Christ to mean God("...can be transformed by Christ, as...").I think it is the realm of God not of Christ
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  point well taken
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Remember the Lord said "if the light in you is darkness how great is that darkness"
  
  For the Lord gave freedom in Life.
  Not freedom in religion.
  Learn the difference.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Lord gave freedom in Life? Proof please.
  
  There is NO PROOF any individual entity created life. Creationism isn't truthful and isn't factual.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You take exception? Excuse me.
  
  "Spirituality is a significant part of the human condition."
  
  You said the above- and you know what- you're correct. BUT, not in the manner in which you think.
  
  Spirituality is about loving oneself, either through thought or actions ones has or does.
  
  Spirituality isn't to be place in anything OTHER than Yourself or Your Fellow Human Being!
  
  It isn't healthy!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think I understand you Cag, your deep
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Adversary? do you mean the Devil, or the man that started the resistance organization?
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  By adversary I mean he who was cast out from Father's presence for rebellion and the third of all heavenly hosts who willingly chose to follow his enticings. None of these shall ever have a body which is the pinnacle vehicle for all eternal progression. They are so passionate in their pursuit of temptation due to one simple reason - jealously. Part of our reason of being is the hope or reality of personal progress, without end. They are denied this by their own volition and choice. The only option they have in order to have purpose is to bring the rest of us down into despair as they are. There is great doctrine in the saying, "misery loves company". Those who have gained a body in life made the correct choice for personal progression before ever being born into mortality. So this is the foundation of the continued war in heaven - now on Earth.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
If you are a religionist, the anti-christ is anyone you disagree with!
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  XTASISposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  that's a fact !
  Hey earnest !!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Anti Christ will be very religious and will appear to be the real deal...but y'all know religion and christianity are not the same thing, if ya dont , slaps on the hand for not listenin
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Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years ago
Cagsil and Presigo, you two are opposite sides of a coin, both smart and convinced. You both have valid points, even if they are sometimes opposing points.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But?
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  Presigoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the compliment, and I would agree with you, I believe we have respectfully expressed our opinions
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Either way, this topic is gone. Anti-christ, it's a mythology. Let's leave it at that.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Why would any evidence be found? Where is the evidence for fairies in the bottom of the garden, or any other mythical entities?
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're assuming God is a myth because you haven't seen evidence to the contrary.
  
  But once again, if you want to be perfectly fair and logical, you must acknowledge there are things you do not know and that evidence of God may exist though it hasn't been found yet.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes of course, but I believe the tooth fairy to be more likely!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok I think I understand what your saying...
  
  Your right and if we doubt that we're wrong.
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then again, there's the possibility that the Tooth Fairy is real -- and is God!
  
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL too true!!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My only reply to what your saying is this:
  If there is a lowest form of life, then there has to be a highest form of life.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We have not even completed the deep dive in to the subconscious mind that produces all the religious bunk yet.
  We are getting there though. Thanks to Jung's enormous quality and quantity of empirical evidence we do know that the subconscious has mathematical comprehension that is light years ahead of what we know consciously. Storage and dissemination of thoughts and feelings is a complex science, but the more we know, the less likely the sky fairy is involved.
  Funny Mike that you rebuke my comment only to agree with the next.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you state that in simple terms that the uneducated stupid people can understand? (people like me, please)
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But if the "sky fairy" does exist you're on its sh*t list.
  
  Just out of curiosity, how do you think the universe came into being? Obviously you don't believe a god created it. So what's your guess? The Big Bang theory?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have stated my beliefs previously about this, and it is fruitless putting it up again or even discussing it. Yes of course I have read on the subject as I have on religion. The human mind is of great interest to me as it is to many.
  I have been around hubpages forums for some time, and know that nobody is looking for facts here. It just starts another round of fundies up like putting petrol in their tanks!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No wait I am looking for facts, I truly am here to learn and gain in understanding...truly, that doesn't mean however that I will blindly accept or dismiss something just because someone has a higher education than mine. If I see something that doesn't add up to me, I will point it out.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Heard it all before.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...truly, that doesn't mean however that I will blindly accept or dismiss something just because someone has a higher education than mine. If I see something that doesn't add up to me, I will point it out.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then perhaps one of Mark Knowle's hubs, or paraglider, or even one of mine?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure you and they have very well written and informed hubs, I'm actually trying to find flaws in my own logic and understanding. In so doing I hope to improve my hubs. Your hubs and theirs will most certainly lead me on other paths and until I'm sure what I have written is as good as I can make it, I'm staying with my own topics and points of view.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, the truth to answer the question about HOW the Universe came to be is answered by understanding cause and effect of life.
  
  The Universe simply exists. IT is the cause to the effects known at life. We know there are other Universes, besides our own. The creation of a Universe simply happens.
  
  Life on Earth and it's evolution has been proven by science. We know that human life was born on this planet. Where exactly did humans evolve from? Is still being searched for, as the writing of this. However, that doesn't dismiss Evolution.
  
  The Earth evolved to a point where Human Life could be sustained, naturally. There was NO creator for Earth or Life on Earth!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  By universe she meant creation...all the universes (and I agree with you about evolution, except that I believe God planned the uni...creation so that we would evolve, so even though not in the way creationists believe it, it was God that created us using evolution to do it.)
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Evolution shows there is intelligence at work, something far more intelligent than the human.
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting theory, but it doesn't appeal to me. Again you seem to be saying we have no proof of a creator therefore no proof exists and there is no creator. And that's flawed reasoning whether you're talking about the creator of a single planet, or human beings, or our universe or all universes and beyond.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think you two are debating the chicken or the egg... and where exactly does the rooster fit in?
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Naw. We both agree the egg and the chicken exist (regardless of which came first). But he can't find proof of the rooster so he says it doesn't exist. Meanwhile, I'm saying maybe we just haven't found the proof yet.
  
  Sunrise might do the trick. (A dawning; how apropos!)
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I love your sense of humor...
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How so?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to see you read the posts Mike. Up above, take a look, if I'm mistaken or misunderstood then sincere apologies.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure which post your trying to get me to see...
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  earnestshub wrote:
  
  Sara Tonyn wrote:
  
  earnestshub wrote:
  
  Why would any evidence be found? Where is the evidence for fairies in the bottom of the garden, or any other mythical entities? lol
  
  You're assuming God is a myth because you haven't seen evidence to the contrary.
  
  But once again, if you want to be perfectly fair and logical, you must acknowledge there are things you do not know and that evidence of God may exist though it hasn't been found yet.
  
  Yes of course, but I believe the tooth fairy to be more likely! smile
  
  Ok I think I understand what your saying...
  
  Your right and if we doubt that we're wrong.
  Then the one under it.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm completely lost Earnest, I apologize. I can't find the one under it, it may be that your screen and mine are different in the order we get updates..?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Could be, it is of little consequence.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, my brain is at it's limit anyway...It is screaming at me to go and do something that requires little or no thought...
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
All I know is we dont use all of our brains and some use even less than I do an some more ...but no brain is gonna last forever for anyone
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  Sara Tonynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's a very disturbing thought since science is on the brink of discovering how to cheat death.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
The Bible descibes the nature and characteristics of the Anti Christ ,just read it ,study it ,google
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have and I have come to the conclusion that the "bible" is a book written by primitive people with a limited understanding of the world and the universe. It is at best outdated, at worse... I won't go there.
  
  If we treated medical science like we treat religion...you see where I'm going right?
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Simply happens???

Um , most scientists would even agree the Universe is very complex..
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Science uncovers or discovers these complexities.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You two are getting off topic
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well seemed ok at the time , anyway gnite
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
Religion is the Anti-Christ.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Most Christians do not understand that you can be a believer and not be religious.
  Seems that everyone has a diffrent definition of "religion"
  A person's religion is simply whatever they believe in.
  This could mean almost anything. Yes that falls within the range of antichrist.
  
  Anyone reading this would become angry if they were to write an important document and everyone that read this document interpreted "your" document to mean anything that "they' wanted it to mean.
  
  That is what religion does with the bible..
  Why would there be SSOooo many interpretations of the one and only word of God?
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
The bible is a book written by men. Religion is the faith in that book. Faith is trust without reason. Reason is a god given tool. That is my belief.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I could not agree more with that statement. Faith need not have reason. When reason is added to faith; faith becomes stronger. Faith in a BOOK that you do not understand does not qualify as reason or logic.
  I think that "THE BOOK" can be compared to a treasure map.
  
  The "MAP" is not going to produce any treasure unless you begin the search at the proper location.
  
  I think that religion has scrambled the message so much that the treasure can not be found.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
The bible is a book written by men. Religion is the faith in that book. Faith is trust without reason.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. I just added the other bit for contextual value.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know. But as I don't believe in God I didn't post them.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess I am an agnostic at heart, I don't know.... I don't care really. The word god is just so meaningless to me...
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
it is just a book. no more than any other book. there is no treasure. the book is a weapon. I choose books as a weapon but I have an army of wisdom at my disposal. Why rob oneself with faith? There is no need for faith. The treasure is an ability to see past the lies. I feel pity for the weak, I try help them if I can. But the weak in spirit are strong in their defense, that is the con of religion.
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
Call me nieve if you wish but I can see some truth in both sides of most any arguement. "THE BOOK" has been interpretated to death. People who have a predisposition as to what they are reading will always see things the way that fits within their preconcieved ideas. That is a shame.
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alexandriaruthkposted 13 years ago
anti christ is those against christ
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here's one
  Nice to meet you !
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  alexandriaruthkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi, nice to meet you too
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  beautiful daughter !
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  alexandriaruthkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  looks like the dad, you have one too?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes. but mine is a grown up
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  alexandriaruthkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ok,
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
Its just so silly.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In some way it is.
  
  but when people get too fanatical about it, it's kind of creepy
  
  Not that I care !
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I used to say I believed in god but then I realised I was wrong. What most people call god is something totally different. I dig that Christ was a church hater
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was, what we would call today 'revolutionary.'
  I would go as far as calling hom something more Extreme, but maybe I'll get banned.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or get a strange knock at the door?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  something like 'the man in black'?
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  men in collar
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  See I Am the Central Igloo Associate Canoodling In Africa Fondling Bits In Furry Brown Eye.
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
Money. Money is the Anti-Christ.
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dingdongposted 13 years ago
I thought Aunty Christ?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  some people would hate that .
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  some.
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fun2hubposted 13 years ago
Funny thread!
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
Um, okay.
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
The anti-christ, check out this link.... current time and weather in my city!!! I AM SWEATING AT NEARLY 4am

How sh1t is this.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A HELL of a climate !
  it looks good to me
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awareposted 13 years ago
im lost
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Bovine Currencyposted 13 years ago
pros and cons wherever you go
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and I'm dressed for the occasion
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm gettin a bit slow here.
  
  I gotta sleep...
  
  Oh wow, just saw your latest post.
  
  You are hot aren't ya.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm gettin a bit slow here.
  
  I gotta sleep...
  
  Oh wow, just saw your latest post.
  
  You are hot aren't ya.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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awareposted 13 years ago
so tantrum is ?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The antichrist
  and a woman
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure you have enough sixes tantrum!
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Precious100posted 13 years ago
ANTI MEANS AGAINST! ANTI CHRIST SIMPLY MEANS=AGAINST CHRIST. IF YOU ARE ANTI CHRIST; YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF HIS. AND THE ANTICHRIST SPIRIT IS IN THE WORLD TODAY AS WE SPEAK.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very well said.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  AND it's in caps so it must be true!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I must be the Antichrist then !
  Watch out ! Or sprinkle me with blessed water !
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You certainly are mean
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  SL Perrinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As mentioned before what anti means is against. The simpliest view is not the what is antichrist but who is antichrist and the answer is all those who do not believe in or have faith in Christ Jesus. The anti-?? is not in favor of or believing in, but rather taking up personal or religious beliefs against another. It could be anti-hinduism, buddism, catholism, etc. The book known as the Bible mentions often of antichrist and consistently infers those not believing in Christ; not that it is a particular set of people, or a specific person.
  
  I do not need a reply to this or any signs of ignorance from those who have not read the Bible in order to make true clarifications of what was typed here.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  VERY !
  
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sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago
It's the neighbor next door! He doesn't mow and his gutters are growing things!
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theirishobserver.posted 13 years ago
I honestly think that Bible bashers are the anti-christ, nothing turns people away from religion more than bible bashers, people who are actually too afraid to take on the challenge of life, too afraid of their own weakness and so have to point at the failings of others.....
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those would be the bible "thumpers"
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
The best way to keep you from going to the theater is to tell ya that I will take you there, all the while be leading you in another direction.
The spirit of Antichrist will do that as it has done in the past.
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