Do You Have To Be Baptized To Be Saved?

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   PhoenixVposted 9 years ago

   Do You Have To Be Baptized To Be Saved?
   
   

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   What ever Jesus did we were to follow his steps closely as written. Reference Bible
   1Pe 2:21 In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely
   He was baptized by John the Baptist,  but he was without sin perfect.
   So he did it for us as example to follow.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Word: U say u're under New Covenant but don't do what it said! Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16! Jn 14:26;16:13. Jesus fulfilled Promise Acts 2:2. Came in HIS Name (JESUS) telling disciples HOW to baptize! Acts 2:38... "STUDY" & stop following TRADITION!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine where do you see I do not do what it says , make this clear.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Was addressing WORD! Sorry! But if u were baptized in Father, Son & HS need to be rebaptized according to Acts 2:38. Did u read those Scriptures? New Cov:Promise in John:Came in Acts 2:2:Jesus starting talking thru Apostles telling us ho

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Also a command by Jesus . Notice King James Version
      Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
      Jesus said it himself .

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Jesus came as Holy Spirit in Acts 2:2 & commanded them to tell us how to baptz as He said He would in Heb 8:10;10:16 under New Cov! Afterwards, the Apostles ONLY baptzd in Jesus' Name! Why don't we do as Jesus Commanded under New Cov? Th

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Simple as example let's use a car. T models was used for Transportation,  the Idea is still the basics even though there is upgrades through the years. Has the basic thought been destroyed just because there are Newer and better models no . We drive.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Can old models do what new models do? So is NEW Cov. Old Cov can't do what NEW Cov does "write laws in our hearts & in our minds" as It did w/the Apostles telling us HOW to baptz!  Move under NEW Cov! Baptz in Jesus' Name!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Reference Bible Lu 24:51
      51 As he was blessing them he was parted from them and began to be borne up to heaven.
      That is verified in luke.before acts  , when Jesus went to heaven.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  Yes, "before Acts!" Acts is last commandmnt before ascension took place! Why stand ye here gazing this same Jesus will return Acts 1:11.  He goes "final" after completing "PROMISE" of NEW Covenant! How can u TEACH if not filled w/HS THE PRO

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       No Norine this scripture is in Luke before acts. Of His ascending.
       
       Why are you ignoring that ?

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Did u read Lk? He told them to go to Jerusalem "led them to Bethany"  "carried up to heaven." He's Omnipresent! "They returned to Jerusalem!" IN Acts THEY R IN JERUSALEM! Acts 1:4 "Dont depart, but WAIT" Acts 2:2 THE PROMISE came! Then Acts2

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       .Notice,  King James
       1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
       The Son shall subject his self like we are to him.Two beings

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Not 2 beings! There is ONE God & His Name is JESUS who operates in simultaneous GLORIES. The Father & Son are ONE! Different GLORIES! Thk of IT this way! SPIRIT everywhere in ALL Glories! Operating as HS gathering Church today under

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       A. .Norine Notice,  King James Version
       Da 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Not following u! What does that have to do w/Jesus is God & baptism? THE SPIRIT (Water if you read Elijah's response) NAME is JESUS under New Cov in the dispensation we NOW live in! We will bow to THAT Name! If under New Cov u need to Ac

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       To Examiner , sorry I read your comment and I want to reply and say Jesus Did not get baptized as a child. He set the example
       of making a oath of responsibility .a baby can not do that. What if that child grow older and become an Atheist?

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   Norine Williamsposted 9 years ago

   According to I Peter 3:19-21 the Holy Spirit (Jesus) said through Peter "By whom also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, (v20) Who at one time were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water; (v21) THE LIKE FIGURE unto which even baptism DOTH ALSO NOW SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"   Well, if Jesus said it, who are we to argue?
   
   As Kiss and Tales said, Jesus did so as an example for us to follow.  John didn't feel worthy to baptize Jesus but Jesus said in Matthew 3:15 "...Permit it to be so now; for thus it becometh us TO FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS.  Then he consented to him."

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I read that scripture at 1 Peter 3:19-21 those spirits are the bad Angels who forsook their heavenly positions in heaven,  the ones who had babies by the women on earth, and Satan who is their leader. Nothing about humans being judge then,

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Where is Scripture that says "ONLY" fallen angels? "Souls" are ALL! Need Scripture! "Prisoners" were ALL souls in grave! Does He deny anyone? If so, Gal 3:28 lied! He has no respect of persons (souls)!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      King James Version
      Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
      What is hard to understand about this scripture Norine.  Self explanatory.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Matt 28:19 spoken under OLD Cov (law)! We live "AFTER THE CROSS" under NEW Cov! Why did u stop under law? In Matt 28:19 He said in the NAME! Is Fathr, Son, HS a NAME? Those r GLORIES not NAMES!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No Norine you said that as your opinion.
      Jesus said he fulfilled the old law as to better it not destroying it.  You are destroying it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: No. U're trying to "stay" under law & if so, Christ died in vain! (Gal 4:19-31) It is better, we don't have to "do" the HS "does!" (Phil 1:6) He "writes laws on our hearts & in our minds." (Heb 8:10;10:16) That's better! Straight fro

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine did Jesus Quote this scripture before his death or after.?
      Notice Mathew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
      20 Teaching them to observe all things,

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Stop! U know "after!" But not under New Cov yet! PROMISE hadn't been fulfilled (Jn 14:26;16:13). If not fulfilled the NEW COV not yet effective! Still under LAW! NEW COV fulfilled in Acts 2:2 when PROMISE (Holy Spirit) came then under NEW CO

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      B. Re 5:11 And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,
      
      Tell me who are these taking care of around the throne.?

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: One will never get there if they don't know Christ's doctrine! Why bother w/angels! Our concern should be how to become one by studying His Word and learning what He wants us to do!  You MUST be re-baptized Acts 2:38!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine Angels have existed way before our creation. Michael is Jesus spiritual body name. When he was on earth he was born and called Jesus because he was our savior. 
       The bible in Jude calls him Micheal who dealt with satan in war and won.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:What does Michael have to do w/salvation?Phil 2:9-11 says JESUS is who we will bow down to, Not Michael or Peter, Paul or Mary, but JESUS!NOW, we should seek salvation not angels! Cant find witness scripture for Jude 9 like none for Matt 28:1

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       James Version
       Re 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads
       Name of the Father Jehovah and son.
       Names matter .

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Re: Re 14:1 I don't see Jehovah in that verse? (Jehovah & son) The Lamb (Jesus) Father's Name (Jesus) in his forehead! Jehovah is not a name! That is What He is (God) in Hebrew! JESUS is WHO he is in English!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine you are wrong Hebrew is YHWH which means Jehovah.  King James deleted his name as he saw fit. But he save four place .Psalm 83:18.God is a title. Like woman , man
       To answer your questions yes all deciples did what Jesus did leaving a model

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: YHVH too! Jehovah also! Hebrew! Still WHAT He is not WHO He is! Where did disciples leave "model" of baptzing in F>S>HS in Scripture? GIVE SCRIPTURE PLEASE? RIGHT God is a title or Glory!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine why do they have to give their whole life story because you demand it. If it is not listed it is not more important then Jesus
       As long as he set the pattern to follow that is who we follow.  Did not Judas fall from them being replaced.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: If Jesus TOLD them to do it (Matt28:19), why didnt they? Disobedient? And they were to "teach us to OBSERVE ALL THGS" they did! Why didn't they?
       
       What u fail to understand is after Acts 2:2, EVERYTHING the Apostles said came fm JESUS, not th

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   Austinstarposted 9 years ago

   Saved from what? What do you need to be saved from?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Austin if you do not not believe in the bible as the word of God, then you will not understand  the question you asked.
      
      But I will give it to you anyway. Saved from another major clean up . Like the flood of Noah, saved in being survivor's soon.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      WooHoo! You get babtized by water so you won't have to get drowned! Way to go!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Austin baptizing is a symbol , like a ring and a license that you are getting married. 
      But it simply means dedication to the cause

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Matt 28:19 not under New Cov; if so, why didn't Apostles do as commanded? Disobedient? You call them that for they NEVER baptized in the name of the F, S, & HS!  Show me in Scripture where they did? Answer that!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Jesus had died and was resurrected.
      Yes they were under the New Covenant. Luke 24: 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
      In the last chapter of Luke. This is clear.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: NO - Not clear!  Do u thk when Jesus rose NC was eff? Covenant is like a contract & ALL items have to be fulfilled before eff. Again, THE PROMISE did not come until Acts 2:2 fulfilling "contract" (Covenant)! "Religion" - So MANY are misl

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You are great at evading  the scripture in Luke , 
      Jehovah,  created us  and we are not part of him as a triune, He says man and woman will become one flesh are they triune.? No !
      Now you can not see the Son separate from the Father not impossible.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Evading? Why dont u recognize baptism in Jesus' Name though I've given Script? Lk & Mk gave versions. Lk gave FINAL in Acts then ascension! Acts 2:2 NC eff! It is impossible for they are ONE Spirit! Triune God unscriptural! Is 45:5;43:10

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Ac 8:12 But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptize

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Keep "studying" dear heart! I pray your "eyes" are enlightened! It's 2 AM in TX!  Have a good night!

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   The Examiner-1posted 9 years ago

   I thought being baptized was only at birth to confirm your name and religion - or something like that.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That is a tradition E1. Babies can not decide to dedicate themselves to anyone.
      Jesus was fully grown when he was baptized. If proper why was he not baptized as a baby.
      No where written clearly a tradition of man.

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      word55posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hi K &T, babies are not expected to commit themselves to anyone or anything. No one should get baptized until after they fully understand what it is all about. Now, I'll probably do a hub on it.

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      The Examiner-1posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      word55 said it, I said "...or something like that." since I was not sure of everything.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Also Norine you stop at one scripture and base a conclusion.
      Ac 2:39 For the promise is to you and your children, and to all those who are far away, to all those whom(Lord ) Jehovah our God may call to himself.
      That promise was about Abraham .

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Why are u "running" fm correct way to be baptized? Stick to subj! Did Apostles baptz in Fathr,Son, HS? Why not? Bcuz Jesus spoke those Words (Matt 28:19) under law! He said in the NAME! Under NEW COV Apostles did what they were told! Acts 2:

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      King James Version
      Ac 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of (God)and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
      Notice the Kingdom of God , and Jesus Norine. Both mention.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Lk 9:2. What is the Kingdom of God? The Word? Who is the Word? JESUS! Jn 1:14. Not TWO! STUDY! Why do u "avoid" subj: correct baptzm?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      What is it Norine you will not accept as Jesus last words and command
      Math 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:Simple all nations of people no matter who it is

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Last command? Did u see Him ascend there? Ascension occured in Acts1:9-11! Last command (Acts 1:4) "wait for "THE PROMISE" which ye have heard from me" in Jn 14:26;16:13! You say what religion teaches, not SCRIPTURE!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       C.why is he called Arch Angel?  Also a prince.
       Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: We were talking about the last comdmnt & baptizm! Why do u chg subj? Who was called an archangel? Michael? U no baptism is in Jesus' Name under NEW COV! You need to be rebaptized re: Acts 2:38!

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       The Examiner-1posted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Have all of thee ever realized that there can be baptism anywhere, any age, for different reasons?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       King James Version
       Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: after his death and resurrection.
       Why are you talking against what is written Norine? .

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Ex: No explain! I've seen baptism fm cloud in Scripture and immersion. Babies? They don't understand!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       These Angels are called sons.
       King James
       Re 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:Jesus is God & can have as many "sons" as He desires including u!Gal3:26-27!
       Notice:MUST BE baptzd INTO Christ NOT F>S>HS!
       No more about angels for there is no salvation!
       Notice:Why can't u find anyone baptzing in F>S>HS in b

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine Jesus is back in heaven , and his name is still Michael. Re 12:7And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with satan

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:Well, I guess Scripture LIED when It said "That at the name of JESUS (Not Michael, God, Father. HS, but JESUS)..." And every tongue confess that JESUS is LORD to the GLORY of God, the Father." Phil 2:9-11! Disowning the HS Who is JESUS? Micha

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       King James Version
       2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
       Notice it did not say Jesus alone but God who is the Father. You do not know him as said.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Re:2Th 1:8. Who is the LORD if not God? Is 45:5; 43:11;56:8. So the "Lord Jesus Christ" is God! Why dispute Scripture? "RELIGION KILLS!"

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine who are the thousands on thousands of Angels are they triune too?

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Why use "truine?" I dont believe in it! SPIRIT "ALL" ONE SPIRIT! ANSWER MY QUESTION & STOP EVADING SUBJECT: BAPTISM! Why didnt disciples baptz in F>S>HS? OBSERVE ALL THGS? Where is their EXAMPLE in Scripture? I've given Script all

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine here is your scripture Joh 13:15 For I set the pattern for you, that just as I did to you, you should also do.
       Did Jesus get baptized yes!
       Did they yes they did what he did as written.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Again, has nothing to do w/Jesus r disciple's baptism but Matt28:19 & if comanded to baptz in F>S>HS why didnt they do that in Scripture? U understand but have no answer? EVADING QUESTION!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine there is no infomation on their personal baptizing.  Only Jesus and the many followers.
       You want me to make up an answer when there is none. Dead end.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Why r u evading? QUESTION: Did ANYONE baptz ANYONE in the name F>S>HS in bible? Where? Why not if commanded to do so in Matt 28:19?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine what did the scriptures say , you want me to say what is not listed in the verse. That is wrong , but if Jesus said do that then it was done no need to be technology about what you want it to say .
       Good night.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: U can't find it! So if they didn't, we shouldn't, that is wrong, for we are to OBSERVE everything the disciples did after Acts 2:2! Jesus said baptize in the NAME of the Father (J) Son (J) HS (J) all JESUS! U urself said Father (God) is titl

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Remember what happened to Adam and Eve , we can learn there is a limit to all things.
       And we are not to demand more then God has supplied. It's good enough .good night.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:  Much Love!  Good night!

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   word55posted 9 years ago

   Yes, Jesus recommended that we be baptized in the name of The Father, and of The Son and of The Holy Ghost:... Being baptized is symbolic of dying to sin and being born again into His righteousness by immersion in water. As a person is baptized by immersion in water the who performs the ritual should recite the Words that Jesus stated in the book of Matthew 28: 19-20.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Word: Jesus did not "recommend" being baptized in the name of Father, Son, & Holy Spirit! TRADITION! If so, why didn't disciples do it? Disobedient? Find where they did in Scripture; otherwise - LIE!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Here is a scripture by Peter .
      King James Version
      Ac 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
      Truth Baptism required

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Precisely! In the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, not Father, Son & HS! Under New Cov Jesus spoke thru Apostles (via HS) telling them to tell us HOW to baptz under New Cov & no one does! Did Christ die in vain?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine under the name of Jesus we all will bow. And no prayer will be accepted .just like a letter with out a stamp will not get to its destination. 
      Jesus is our stamp. But all prayers our prayers go to the Father who is greater as Jesus mention

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Do u have your stamp? Have u been baptzd in Jesus' Name? R u under New Cov or Old? Just asking! Jesus' Father Spirit (GLORY) greater bcuz THE SPIRIT has NEVER been in flesh (Glory) subj to worldly circumstances! Omnipresent!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I am under the New but really the principals of the old still apply,like we should not kill, steal, lie.still valid
      King James
      Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: R u still "a child" in Christ? Gal 3:24-25. U can't "evade" the issue! Under NEW COV "all"  r to do as Apostles did. Not one of them baptzd in Fathr, Son, HS! Why do we if under NEW COV?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The scriptures by Peter says you are Acts 2:38 as quoted . What is wrong with this scripture.  Why are you talking against it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Not Peter talking, but JESUS, the Holy Spirit thru Peter! I'm not talking against It, you are if baptized in name of Father, Son & HS! You are against it for not doing as said AFTER THE CROSS under THE NEW COV!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine you never admit to truth , you still avoided the scripture I gave you in Luke and said Jesus went to heaven from Acts.
       You can not admit truth in scripture then we can not talk. Jesus quoted , Father, Son, holy spirit. After his death.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: He did then sent Promise/HS! U MUST rightly divide the Word! Promise didn't come until Acts 2:2 then NEW COV went0 INTO EFFECT, until then still under law! Mk 16:19 & Lk 24:51versions!Didn't Lk say TWICE go to Jerusalem so PROMISE would

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       No Norine we can not talk. You want to tell people what you believe , but you will not accept what the scriptures are proving and saying.  Luke tells us Jesus was going up into heaven , and so did acts , but in acts they just repeated the story.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: U see where they were told to go & wait in Jerusalem for THE PROMISE &IT came in Acts 2:2.U deny this?They "waited" & "rec'd!"Jesus ascended, then IT came!ACTS is where the FIRST Church was established.We cant talk bcuz  WORD goe

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Because Norine Michael is his firstborn spirit Anglic son , his first also called Archangel. He came was born into the world as Jesus.
       That is the point there are many son's and Jesus is the first begotten.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:Yes, we are "sons" as well if been baptized INTO CHRIST!Not INTO Father, Son & HS!Gal 3:26-27!We cant worship Him if not following HIS doctrine!Gal 1:6-9!We must get past Heb 6:1-3then worship Jesus! Notice:Why no one baptzd in F

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Nowhere Norine does it say in the bible humans will be Angels , show me a scripture prove it!

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: I said "we are sons!" Gal 4:6-7 You said "sons are angels!" We will praise Him as angels but r not angels! I said "let's try & become one" (a praiser as angels) but we can't if we don't know His doctrine to worship Him!  Why EVADE questi

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I speak to you Norine hoping you will see a difference.  But you do not want to. That makes a difference.  Because you will not reason with scriptures.  I am through for tonight.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: I Cor 3:6. Only if this has not occured: Rm 1:28; 9:18. U EVADED the question all night: Why didnt disciples baptz in name of F>S>HS if commanded to do so? Disobedient? Why didn't ANYONE do so? OBSERVE ALL THGS? Where's EXAMPLE?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       No Norine you really never answer my questions,  and then make up sentences that are not scriptural , if Jesus was baptized and was perfect with no sin then you know his disciples were baptized. That is not hard to understand .you create caos.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Didnt say the disciples WERE NOT baptzd! Said WHY DIDN'T THEY BAPTZ ANYONE (BELIEVERS) IN SCRIPTURE IN THE NAME OF THE F>S>HS IF COMMANDED TO DO SO? OBSERVE? WHERE IS OUR EXAMPLE? DON'T EVADE QUESTION!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Ac 18:8 But Crisʹpus, the presiding officer of the synagogue, became a believer in the Lord, along with all his household. And many of the Corinthians who heard began to believe and be baptized.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Yes, thank you Jesus! In the Name of Jesus throughout Scripture. After the Day of Pentecost, when the FIRST Church was  established, under the New Cov, according to the gospel of Christ (Acts 2:42) which was not the Apostles' but Jesus thru

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   The0NatureBoyposted 9 years ago

   Water is a symbol of knowledge and comes in three forms, solid or ice, liquid and vapor.  Those three types of water represent three types of knowledge, vapor is the thought, water is the expression or spoken words and ice is the manifestation of the other 2.  In that light, the actual baptism man must obtain for salvation is to be anointed with a general vision of all things past and future which "the comforter" (John 14:26) will bring to our remembrance once wed go through the metamorphosis called "new birth" and we cease to seek fleshly pleasures.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      El: Why can't they see JESUS operates in GLORIES in diff dispensations? Creator/Christ/Holy Spirit/Melchizedek/Burning Bush/etc. But HIS NAME is JESUS! Just like water, u can't separate although in diff GLORIES! Father (Water), Son (Water) HS (Water)

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      D. archangel is derived from the Greek ἀρχάγγελος (arch- + angel, literally chief angel).
      The first Angel created would be God's firstborn. MICHAEL,  , earthly name was given to be Jesus because he saves us from eternal death.
      Separate beings like us

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Not 2 separate beings like us! SPIRIT! Look in Spirit! Not daddy/boy but SPIRIT! ALL Angels bow to JESUS & we will too & should respect the NAME that came & DIED for us! Heb 1:6-10

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Look Norine  King James Version
      Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy Job 1:6 Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan ,

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: What does that have to do w/baptism? What does that have to do w/when the NC went into effect? What does that have to do w/Jesus & God is ONE?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine to the point sons are Angels as I gave you scriptures. MICHAEL is The first of thousands and thousands by scriptures.
      Being is first Anglic son made his value priceless.  He was given the earthly name Jesus and he completed his mission.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Does that matter for our salvation? He came, died, left us a NC that we should follow! Do u?
      NOTICE: Why didn't Apostles baptize in name of F>S>HS or anyone for that matter? ANSWER THIS!
      No, you "EVADE" the issue for you know it's no

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Norine everything Jesus and his and our Father does means something.  Which adds up and validates truth.
      Sons exist in Angels which Michael's existence came from then given the earthly name Jesus .

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Yes II Tim 3:16! U no I see JESUS as ALL SPIRIT & can be WHATEVER or WHOEVER He wants ANYTIME/PLACE! U see Jesus as Son & Michael but HE IS "I AM!" As soon as u move into "the Spirit" then seek His doctrine for salvation! Jude 4.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine who are these taking care of the one on the throne,Daniel 7:10  thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him:

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: If u r saying Jesus was there fm beginning-I agree! No matter WHO/WHAT He WAS (which is ALL), He IS "NOW" JESUS the NAME that we will bow to! ANSWER MY QUESTION & STOP EVADING THE ISSUE:  BAPTISM!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Jesus as Michael was part of the thousands and thousands of Angels but as an Archangel.
       All the deciples had to be  baptized Jesus was that is my answer, what are you getting at.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: I'm getting at IF commanded to baptz in name of F>S>HS, why didn't they give us an example of doing it in Scripture since we are to OBSERVE all things whatsoever commanded them? Where's their example to OBSERVE?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       We have JESUS Example Who Is greater,
       Why do we need to observe them when Jesus was the greatest in their presence.
       That like saying the President comes to town and you are hyped up about the mayor.
       Who is the subject here. JESUS.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:Matt 28:20 TOLD THEM to "teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THINGS" so they taught us (in Scripture) to OBSERVE ALL things they did bcuz Jesus said It! So where did they baptz in name of F>S>HS?I dont no why u thk when the apostles speak its

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       The bible does not give details of each deciples being baptize. Nor does it tell you his mothers, brothers,  so why get yourself caught on the thought. It is not listed for a reason.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: R u serious? The QUESTION is: If in Matt 28:19 the disciples were COMMANDED to baptz in F>S>HS why didn't they baptz believers that way in Scripture? Show me where they did?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Reference Bible
       Ac 2:41 Therefore those who embraced his word heartily were baptized, and on that day about three thousand souls were added.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Yes in the NAME of  Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38)!  Therefore, if you've been baptized any other way (Gal 1:6-9) you need to be re-baptized according to Acts 2:38!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks I got toothpicks in my eyes lol! Good night.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: It's 2AM in Texas while u r 2 hrs behind. I was just talking to my cuz in Phoenix & she fell asleep on me so I guess I'll call it a night too!  Stay Blessed!

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       The0NatureBoyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Jesus is a pseudonym for the last 2 sons of god, (Exo 4:6-8), we haven't heard Moses and Yoshua but we must hear the last (Mat. 17:5) son, on earth since about 1948 (Isa 11:1-12), or die by the sword (Rev 19:21) to replenish earth per Rev 20:5.

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   lawrence01posted 9 years ago

   Simple answer is no you don't.
   Baptism does have a purpose but it isn't essential for salvation. Baptism is  a symbol of the fact that the old self is now dead and gone. It is also the first step in a life of obedience to Christ and as such is a declaration to the rest of the world.
   The word comes from the Greek term "Baptiso" meaning literally "to be immersed" and that's what happens, when we get baptized (in water or in the spirit) we literally get immersed in him.
   This is a simplified version and I wrote a hub about it a while back that would be worth a visit as I touched on what some of the mainstream groups believe about it.
   Hope this helps
   Lawrence

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Law: Why call me Lord, Lord & DO not the things that I say? Lk 6:46 Your master is the one u obey Rm 6:16. Acts 10:35 "He that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accptd with him." What say ye? If all belvd as u, we would wait for death be

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      lawrence01posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Please read what I said and nor just the first line. Its a symbol of obedience.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Law: But necessary for salvation when example after example has been given in Script? Obedience to Christ? He said to be done to fulfill "ALL" righteousness! What say ye?  Read: Gal 3:27; Rm6:3. Don't u want to "put him on?" Then why say no?

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      lawrence01posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      I just did. I suggest you read the whole chapter. Its about FAITH  and clearly means to be immersed on Christ not some esoretic rite! Please read the verses in context.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Law: Did u mean "esoteric rite?" Is that what u thk of baptism? It's serious & done by "many!" We ack willingness to follow Jesus during this "esoteric rite" by being baptzd IN His Name! Better study Matt 28:19 not originally in bible! Yet u said

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      lawrence01posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      Sorry if I annoyed you. All that is essential for salvation is faith (Romans 10 verse 9). Baptism is important but as an act of obedience and not essential for salvation. "By faith Abraham believed God and it was counted to him righteousness"

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Law: K, forgive me too. Baptzm is an outward rep of an inward reality toward God!  Jesus did & apostles did, so do I! To fulfill all right... Don't miss "all right.." by 1 point. No one baptzd as Matt 28:19 in Script. Were disciples disobedient?

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