Do you really believe theirs a God?

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Williamjordanposted 14 years ago
The word says something like the fool has said and hid heart their is no God? My point is no man can judge or know the heart of another.Do you find deep down in you a reality that God is there.I know I do and it does not all ways go with the teachings of any religion or believe but their's a strong desire to love and care for orthers as well as share how God delievered me out of my darkest hour and know continues to shedd life and other areas and my life untill and overwhelming desire not to do those things.I still have vices the good news is that God shines light into the dark areas of my life and I seek deliverance and I keep loving and caring more that's why I believe in God his presence in my life.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am a knower of god but god is not what most humans have come to believe.Lack of proper god knowledge and ego towards ones prophet and religion has created too much trouble.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's nice. We're still waiting for your god to deliver the starving children of the world from their darkest, and last hours on earth and to shed life to those areas.
  
  Can you chat about that the next time you see him, please?
  
  Much appreciated.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Meditate , understand death and then curse god for it.Right now you dont know .
  
  Death is your best friend and not enemy.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That thinking is an invitation to suicide bombers, and others who do not value life. Yours or theirs. The OP does not use english well enough to make an argument about anything.
  "Do you really believe THEIRS a god?" Really?... Shedd life?
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently God doesn't require proofreading or editing.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know the death you speak of is not necessarily literal, Mohit.
  It is the limited thought that sweats such fear terms.
  
  But I do agree, death is not to be feared.
  Death of consciousness brings righteousness.
  Why so many have issues with it, still has me scratching my chin in wonder.
  
  They build beautiful stone temples, ships to travel across oceans on metal wings, study the units of the body and their actions/reaction, yet still cannot see past their own noses...
  
  if anything can strike fear into a human heart, those things can.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't want death of consciousness, you want to be conscious of the space of death. You want death of the small mind and an awareness of a larger state of consciousness.
  
  Ignorance of the space of death is why people fear it so much. Be afraid of how you die, but not of death itself. For some you become worm fodder, for others it's a transition to another state of consciousness. You never want a lack of an expanded mind. That's why religion is such a mess, most are ignorant because of a small mind.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Q I usually try to avoid your comments, but I must say this one was quite funny and straight to the point. It is a valid question, that many of us Christians do think about and wonder....
  
  If there is really a god why is there starvation? I don't know that answer. But you know the earth has to take care of itself. That also means population control. Maybe our great and glorious God uses this method to cull out the population[sarcasm here]. I mean who knows. I do not have all the unknown answers to the world. Do you? Sure you don't, none of us do. However with that said, people who have gone through a terrible ordeal might just need something to hold onto. Sometimes, having a God who takes care of them at that hour, and nobody else- is alright. I mean, it is a personal belief; religion that is- a personal belief. And just because one believes in something, does not necessary mean they have all the answers to all the questions surrounding it.
  For example- science has just discovered h2o on the moon. Ok, where did it come from? Well guess what- they have no idea. Does that make it not so, just because they cannot explain where it came from?
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then, you also wouldn't know the answer as to why Christians thank their gods for their abundance, while so many starve to death?
  
  When tens of thousands die of starvation daily, children to be exact, it most certainly IS NOT alright that your god takes care of others irrelevant idiosyncrasies.
  
  Nonsense, your god and anything he allegedly says is the absolute truth, no questions required. Sorry, I don't buy your story.
  
  Nice deflection. Irrelevant, but nice, nonetheless.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  they're trying
  
  Maybe not ...
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not irrelevant... Very direct and straight to the point. However, I can see that you've met countless hours of bible thumpers, spouting scriptures in your face more than once. So, that's is why I don't ever bother.
  
  I did notice however, that You are hell bent on that starvation thing aren't you? American? Do you know that the American government, or Ronald Reagan back in 1982 declared through an United Nations declaration of policy that food was not a basic right. So maybe instead voicing anger to those who believe in god, and yet have no control on world starvation- to those government officials that do. I believe England, Spain, France, Germany, Canada, was among the 11 or so country's that sign the doctrine into power.
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  creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  maybe atheists should help the starving children rather than wait on a god they dont believe in to do it
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  Williamjordanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's what he desires for me to do God uses people who want to help that's why I devote time to write about Darfur in childerm issues see I believe God helped me so I can help others like the people who told me that what God told him. I hope you come to believe but my assignment is not to get you to believe mine is to help others. So as usual I will not comptete in your silly debates. I suggest everybody attempt to help somebody today in then come back and tell if it made you fell a part of something bigger than yourself.
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If we do anything and it is with out love it means nothing ! Love is what it is all about
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HI q ,GOD does that through people,that is why we are to love each other!what are you doing to help the poor?
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The real question is what is Jesus doing for the starving that he hasn't done for you?
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He has put in the hearts of man to help!
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why doesn't he simply put food in the belly's that are empty, like he does with so many other Christians?
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  he does,he sends lots of food to all of us.he helps in many ways,through the hearts of man
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, he sends it to all of YOU Christians here. He doesn't send it to the starving because... well, they are starving. You know, the scenario in which there's no food to eat?
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  Don Wposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Q, what a strange argument. Are you implying Christians are exempt from starvation?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  NO!
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  aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  YES!
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i believe in a divine spiritual presence, BUT NOT THE CHRISTIAN GOD.
  
  p.s. these people who say they have personally met and visited with God on some astral plane are egomaniacs.
  
  thank you.
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  MikeNVposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Their
  There
  There is
  
  Doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what you believe. Each person must make their own decisions and base their lives accordingly.
  
  The Truth is what you want it to be ... no one can make your mind up for you.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Eek
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You need to seriously get a grip on life. The TRUTH isn't what you want it to be. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Just like, every person has their own different reality? This is absurd too.
  
  Both statements are factual based. The TRUTH is Truth. If you can't determine what the truth is, then I suggest you get a better grasp on your life, before you go making any more sad comments. I've seen some of your arguments before and most of the time you're on point, but if this is how you are living your life, based on your own individual truth? How is that you've managed to live as long as you have?
  
  But, there is a universal truth about life. Just like there is a universal truth about reality, as we know it to be. If you're not aware of what those universal truths are....then investigate your life better and don't stop till you find the answers to questions you have, somewhat like I did.
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A-MAN
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  Will Bensonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  William -
  
  I'm happy to hear that you have found strength and inspiration in your faith. I'm sure that you will continue to be blessed as you continue your journey. It's always great to read an upbeat thread by someone who has overcome adversity and I know you will prevail.
  
  Respectfully with best wishes and blessings,
  Will
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  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying god that is an all mysterious power that cannot be understood my man. Or the invisible man god who lives in the sky with a special list of things he doesnt want you to do.
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  NewYorkerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I really hate doing this, but people do this wrong all the time so I feel compelled to do this.
  
  THEIR refers to something THEY own, such as Their cow keeps eating my casserole
  
  THERE refers to a place or an idea of some sort. This would have been appropriate for the title of this thread They're over there!
  
  THEY'RE is a contraction for THEY ARE. They're eating my casserole with the cow!
  
  Sorry, but I just had to. Remember this.
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sick of it as well...and I know others are too.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Too bad it took you 4 weeks to figure it out. Did you have to read the whole dictionary from the start to find the right words?
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  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay! Who woke SirDent up? tsk tsk
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  NewYorkerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Aside from the fact I've only been on HubPages for 2 weeks and don't spend every minute of my day on the forum -- I have a job.. You should get one.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
God created us to have "the experience of life here on earth". We caused the children to be in that situation, by overpopulation, and we need to fix the problems. That's what life is about, the experience. Gods job was to create us, that's it. He's not sitting on a cloud waiting to fix every f%$# up we make!

What we do on this planet is our doing, we could make it a paradise, or a hell. But we are in control of all our experiences. Be grateful God gave you this time on the planet, because who knows when its gonna be time to go!

Daytona
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course the truth is that hardly anyone alive today actually believes in the god of the bible. Fred Phelps might, but he's only able to sustain that belief through what appears to be madness.
  
  Instead Christians of today believe in a god of their own invention. A shy, largely irrelevant god, and then claim the bible as the source of their beliefs in an attempt to use its long history to lend themselves legitimacy.
  
  The bible does not describe a shy, timid god who's primary concern is to hide from us until we are "ready to see." or whatever the excuse is. He's a limited god, but certainly very powerful, able and more than willing to make displays of his power in order to terrorize people into worship and submission.
  
  The god of the bible might lack the raw power to simultaneously appear to all of the billions of people in the world, but given the the information-culture of today he would have no difficulty making his existence and will a known fact...
  
  ...and yet he's worshiped by almost none.
  
  It's because he doesn't exist.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Should those who starve in abject poverty also be grateful for the time your god has given them, because their "time to go" is very soon and their time here has been short and painful, to say the least.
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  creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  god does not exist remember it is up to you to feed the hungry get to work
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not exactly. God asked us to be fruitful and multiply. We (his children) needs to be more proactive. We unfortunately are messing his world up by what we all are doing to it. By pollution,. We have a great deal of resources and are not using them. Joining local churches and food banks all over the world will help the starving,. By getting involved in our communities we will help our garden of eden/earth be healthy like it should be. I for one believes in God and his son Jesus. Their concern is Satan. I have no doubt. I for am on their side. Whose with me.. frienz4lif
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can't imagine why God's concern is Satan. Isn't your God Omnipotent ?
  Why would he be concerned about a poor Devil ?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ... or made a devil in the first place! What a nonsense this belief is!
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  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I had a friend who was Omnipotent he went to the doctor got a script for viagra and everything is fine now..
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Poor Devil !
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  AnythingArtzyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well said, I believe it's called free will. God gave us all we need to know in His Word about how we should live, what we do with that knowledge is our choice and He is not to blame for all the atrocities of the world. The old testament is an example of what happens when we don't do what's right so whether you believe or not our life is what we make it and our actions affect all around us.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you talk as if it's real. It's not.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Easy to say he doesn't exist!

So, simply, what keeps your heart beating inside you year after year, day after day, hour after hour all your life? Was that just accidentally created when two giant planets collided millions of years ago?

Your saying there's no God, so simply tell us how we all came to be? If evolution is your simple answer, there had to be the first creature that started this whole population, so how did the first one get created? Magic? Someone made the first creature on this planet, I'm waited anxiouly for a reply!

Daytona
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Magic
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  DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Daytona, the reason nobody is answering is because we are intelligent enough to be aware that our answer will be dismissed as rubbish and hence not worth our while.
  
  (On behalf of those with the answer )
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  so obvious !
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  aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So why not quote it anyway, if you have one?
  
  You can show Daytona how intelligent you all are...
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
He doesn't exist? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Still waiting for the reply, THAT seems to not exist Paul.

Daytona
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No doubt someone more learned than me will reply, but wasn't the amoeba this first living organism? It certainly doesn't seem to have evolved much.
  No-one knows what life first evolved. But do you honestly believe God stood there and created man in his image - when Darwin's theory is proving correct according to archaeologists?
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  DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Potentially something simpler than an Amoeba, although nobody knows for sure what the first 'living' organism was. However, we could work out the LUCA (Last Universal Common Ancestor). This would mean we could code the sequence for the common ancestor for all current existing life. However the process is incredibly difficult and may take decades to work out. But it can be done.
  
  I wonder how much Daytona understands about Earth's creation? No doubt her understanding is flawed. If then I were to explain to her, she could accept what I said, and believe something different. However, chances are she would simply say god did that as well. Easy get-out clause.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Evolution happening due to explosions? Stars die and their fragments reach us and evolution happens, we as humans happen? so logical , so easy, no need for any intelligence in this evolution.
  Science discovers or uncovers intelligence that exists and then then uses it.
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  DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you learnt about evolution from Sci-fi films?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is science and not sci-fi.This is what Stephen Hawkins says.
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  greeneyesH1982posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  exactly you just said it NO ONE KNOWS what the first living organism is... and even if we did know what it was then how did THAT get there?? i seriously want to know and by the way i think its more appropriate that we came from God then to say that we came from rocks or soup or some type of organism... why havent all moneky evolved then? and all rocks? and all other organisms? when u evolve you are "becoming" not making SOME of... so please explain to me why we have so many different types of monkeys and so on but yet we are still humans and always have been and always will be? also its hilarious to believe that people actually think we came from soup and rocks and not believe that the different types of dogs we have simply came from two dogs... but no people really believe our ancestors were ROCKS LMAO im waiting for the rock in my back yard to evolve one day.. maybe if i poured some water onto it it will finally sprout a leg
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I often spend more time than is really appropriate engaged in these arguments, but even I can't respond instantly to every challenge made.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Why bother?
I don't have to show anything to anyone.
and anyway 'sooner' thinks I'm ignorant and Intimat Evolution thinks I'm petty.

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IzzyMposted 14 years ago
Whre did all this stuff come from about the world being overpopulated?
Sure...parts are, but there re many place largely unihabited in the world, it's just a case of learning how to live there, no?
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
ok, lets say the amoeba was the 1st creation!

Did it just POOOF! magically show up on its own?

Whatever the very 1st creation on earth was, how did it get here?

I find it hard to believe that my beating heart and perfect nervous system was one day, here.

Theres no way the amoeba fell to earth, and then a few years later Hubpages was created, nah, I don't buy it.

Daytona

ps and for the record, I think TANTRUM is sexy! so there!
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good question. If God put it there, where is he now?
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  ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God's job is done, why must HE come back?
  
  Daytona smile
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Right...so God is some pre -pre-prehistoric creature who just happened to have created the Earth.
  Who created god?
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As a Christian, I have always wonder that very same question. Who created God? Then I think about the water and the moon question. Since scientists found water on the moon, how come they cannot tell us where it came from? If there is water on the moon, where did it come from? Simple enough question, much like your question about who created God. Again, just because the question of water cannot be answer, does that mean there is no water and the scientist are wrong? No, of course not.
  
  So what did create God, and where did that water on the moon come from?
  
  Oh the mysteries of the universe. So much gathered, and so much still unanswered.
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree there are still many things unlearned. Maybe God does exist? Maybe God is another name for what we call water, without which we couldn't exist.
  Don't think we'll learn all the answers in our lifetime.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I absolutely agree. Stay bundled up and warm today. It is 3 degrees Fahrenheit in Missouri, USA today. To me that's butt-arse cold!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  another prehistoric creature !
  
  hi Izzy!
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Tantrum <waves>
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What ever is the source of creation that is god.
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  aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's where He's always been......everywhere!
  
  Hi Izzy, is it cold up there?
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good question, Aguasilver.
  
  Bloody freezing. Low snow on the mountains and heating still not working. Writing this in a power cut too! Lucky the battery on the laptop is good for an hour or so.
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  sunflower1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  With US!
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  DogSiDaedposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  By a few years you mean approximately 3.8 billion right?
  
  The idea that things were one day here is a Christian idea
  
  This is not at all how evolution works. It's all about the building of more complex Proteins and bases initially, then as adaptions in the chain of RNA/DNA occur do to mutations, they can be passed on, effecting physical features and others.
  
  This is a basic overview of course, designed for the consumption of everybody. Complex papers exist, and for those interested I would suggest seeking them out
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
God's job is done, why must HE come back?

He put us here to EXPERIENCE life on earth. Which we are doing, good or bad, its an experience. And the experience your make of you time here is your choice, that's the greatest gift I think!

Daytona
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, did he put those tens of thousands of children on earth to die of starvation every day or is that some other part of his "greatest gift?"
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  ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ok, I'm really leaving after this. He didnt put them there to die, how can you say a child has any control over his up bringing, that's the parents, not GODS doing! If you can't afford to feed one child, WHY HAVE 5 OF THEM!!!!
  
  Anyway, like I said, no one on this forum will or wants to change their opinion, and no comment here is going to change any ones minds. Everyone has a strong opinion and to think posting replies will sway anyone is foolish. I got Hubs to make. For those of you who don't believe in God, you don't have to answer to me, you can save your arguments for when you meet him one day!!! That should make an interesting Hub if nothing else.
  
  Daytona
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Meant to reply to the WHY HAVE FIVE OF THEM point.
  
  Many Africans especially have a lot of children because they KNOW their children won't see adulthood, due to starvation, illness or disease.
  This is a custom passed down from mother to daughter, father to son; they know the children are the future; the children will also be expected to look after them in old age.
  Unfortunately now we have good contraception which many in the developed nations try to persuade them to take, but it's on these peoples minds constantly that they need the children for the future, and they can't risk not having them until they see that the current batch safely reach adulthood.
  It will take several generations AFTER we have eradicated droughts, starvation and death from disease before we see their population drop.
  At the moment we in the West have done nothing. We have collected money and given it to their leaders who have wasted it on luxury personal things, because they like all politicians are corrupt.
  We can do nothing until these people decide they want change. It is their decision to make.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then, what you're saying is god has no effect or control on anyone or anything?
  
  You mean you don't know the answer to that question? You should, it came right from your god.
  
  "Go forth and multiply"
  
  Notice the complete lack of family planning and forethought of overpopulation problems with that command?
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Al Teregoposted 14 years ago
God is restrictive and oppressive trying to leave us in the dark.

You should all be thanking Lucifer (The Light Bringer) for opening up your pathetic little minds to even ponder these questions.

Otherwise you all would still be grunting like animals.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
God made Lucifer too! I just call him by his real name, The NY Giants!

Daytona
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
If I've learned anything in my short time here on GOD's earth, its that you can not win an argument online when it pertains to GOD, Politics, and Ice Cream flavors. So that being said, my participation in this discussion is over.

Daytona

ps. for the record, chocolate chip wins, so argument OVER!!!!!
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Al Teregoposted 14 years ago
The starving kids suffer from the cycle of rebirth. Dey shoulda been better peoples in thier previous incarcerations...
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Pr0metheusposted 14 years ago
There's : contraction of there is: There's the hotel we were looking for.

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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Incarcerations... Yes !
that's the 'unspeakable' word
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zampanoposted 14 years ago
Do not confuse god with social security.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ... or reality!
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Wow, so saying its a custom makes ignorance ok?

If you can't afford to feed your child, you don't have one, regardless of a so called custom, its called being responsible.

Daytona
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  um, i think it goes deeper than that. a lot deeper. Christian organizations (like the Catholics) are over there telling these people not to use contraception, as it is "sinful" because the Pope told them so. and just where do you think they will get them? they can't even afford food or drinking water. these people are starving.
  
  yes, they are "ignorant", ignorant of the facts, but not through any fault of their own. you can't paint their world with our brush - they are like polar opposites.
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You missed the point. These people live hand to mouth, some years the crops do well and everyone has enough to eat, other years the rains don't come and many die.
  They have their children, many of them, KNOWING that they won't all survive to adulthood. Who are we to say you can only have one child, when that child may die too?
  I understand their point of view. I'm not saying I agree with it, but then again its not my decision to make.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
You need to quit your job, abandon your family and friends, and stare at the moniter, c'mon now. Its not THAT hard!

Daytona
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Waving back !
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
This goes back to the earlier post saying it's God's fault these children are starving. My point was God put us here for an experience, and yes, like you said its the parents choice and we have no right to say one way or another if its right or wrong. God gave those families the choice to do what they want and we live with the choices we make. If no one is doing enough too help them maybe its time for THAT government to step up, not us. In the USA we have enough neglected homeless people and ignored veterans of war that we could tackle that project for decades and never get it fixed.

We are all spirits having a human experience, be it good or bad, its still an experience.

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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  their govenrments are corrupt, using their footsoldiers to pillage basic foods that humanitarian organizations give them. homeless people in the US have it way better than those people, and access to all kinds of resources - they have NOTHING.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, the point is that an all-loving, all-compassionate, all-merciful, all-seeing, all-powerful God, depicted in the Bible as intervening in human affairs when, for example, the Israelites were running out of time to beat their enemies (so he stopped the sun), would have to intervene when 27 000 children a day die of treatable illnesses, one in ten African women die either in childbirth or as a result of pregnancy, and there are 20 million AIDS orphans in Africa alone. This is not "all-compassionate" to ignore this
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  right on.
  
  saying "well, they got themselves into it, so they can just get themselves out of it" is really shortsighted, to say the least.
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely. It's not for our Goverments to help, it is theirs. And no it is not God's fault, if he exists. They might call droughts, or storms, or exceptional weather conditions 'acts of God' but that's just a get-out clause for insurance companies. And yes I would agree with you too in that our home governments should do more to help our own starving or poor people, before sending millions abroad.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And your degree in economics, or development theory, is from where exactly
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK. That was a good response. And you are right. Do you know Paul Collier. He is a Brit (you are from Britain,right?) who points out that "good governance" is a prerequisite for development. His most famous book is The Bottom Billion
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  IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll try and put my reply in the right place this time.
  Paul Collier? That names rings a bell - oh no, that's quasimodo - no I can't say I've heard of him sorry. Yeah I'm Scottish (never admit to being a Brit LOL), but yes I'd agree with that saying -good governance is a prerequisite to development. It's something that could well be applied to Africa, and one day they will get it.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's all over Youtube. Check him out at TED.com . One of the most important things I have heard him say is that we often act like giving people voting rights, and holding elections, means they suddenly have "good government." But of course they also need a strong legislature, and well-developed legal system. Hernando de Soto (also interesting) points out that poor people often cannot get out of the poverty trap because they are not legally identifiable... not registered anywhere... so they cannot own property or land...
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Somehow you KNEW politics was going to creep into this didn't you! Its like a roach!

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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you brought it up
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Politics is damn sight more important than all of this rubbish debating some dude on a cloud. While these debates rage, billions get siphoned off the American economy and into the pockets of numerous fatcat types, four out of every six people on the planet struggles to survive on the local equivalent of ten dollars a day, and nuclear weapons formerly belonging to the former Soviet Union could be God knows where.
  
  And all some people want to talk about is monkeys. I mean, come on. This is a runaway planet.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Hit me up when the topic turns to Ice Cream, then, all bets are off, I will argue until my hair falls out!

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The Paulposted 14 years ago
How does my heart beat?:

Asking how your heart beats is a good question, and the answers is very powerful and very useful.

That's why it's important to look for the answer, instead of claiming a magic-man is working my heart like a bellows.

My heart keeps beating because of one-way electrochemical conduction. The natural "revitalizing" of certain tissues which are normally inert allowed a small region of my heart to occasionally conduct two ways, which caused some arhythmias that while having only a small chance of proving fatal, were extremely unpleasant to experience.

Lucky for me destroying that bit of tissue and restoring one way conduction was a minor surgical procedure and my heart has resumed a normal, more efficient way of beating.

I'm thankful that not every who asked "How does your heart beat," thought it was some meaningless rhetorical question pointing to god, and that instead some of them realized it was a real question with a real answer.

If not for that, my arhythmia would likely have been chalked up to some imaginary cause and I would have had to suffer a lifetime of randomly experienced debilitating palpitations without even the benefit of any understanding of their source.
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Those of you who wonder how I justify saying the biblical god does not exist should read my first post, it's really very simple.
  
  The shy, irrelevant god of hiding gaps most modern Christians worship is non-biblical. The god of the bible is not shy and does not hide. If he existed we would have no trouble finding him.
  
  He might take offense to our "testing" him, as many Christians suggest he would, but he wouldn't express that displeasure by sulking quietly in a corner, as they all seem to think he does.
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you describe and omnipotent, benevolent god, and an atheist counters with "Then why to tens of thousands of children starve to death each day?" it is not at all convincing to ask why said atheist has not personally prevented this tragedy.
  
  1)This is an internet forum, you don't know the person you're talking to, you have no idea what they might have done or not done to help those starving children.
  
  2) It is logical to wonder why an omnipotent, omnibenevolent being has not acted to end child poverty. Since the god often described by theists is omnipotent and omnibenevolent and atheists are not there is no parallel.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  definition of "omnibenevolence" - unlimited or infinite benevolence.
  
  sorry, but i don't think your god is "omnibenevolent".
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I really do find this comment confusing, I did not describe or suggest the existence of any god at all. I don't know what you're referring to.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The question is, Why an omnipotent God, would create beings to make them suffer?
  Doesn't make sense. Not even with the 'free will' theory.
  If you were God, would you create such foul Creation?
  
  That's one of the reasons I don't believe in God.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God could exist but not be omnipotent. Alfred North Whitehead believed this. And he was no idiot. Just a thought
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  then it's not a God.
  it's a lunatic scientist.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi tantrum. Not ignoring you, just had to go out....
  I think the idea was that he did not create the universe, he is part of it. Anyway, it is called process theology. Not saying I believe in it, just that it deals with the contradictions we've been discussing.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah! I don't believe in it either. But I do believe in the crazy scientist.For me the most plausible answer.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I like this.
  
  I think a better question is: what is it that separates a living body from a dead one? Why can we not simply re-animate a dead body, if it is only a collection of electrochemical impulses?
  
  What, precisely, is the spark of life?
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seasoningposted 14 years ago
I feel we all have some kind of spiritual need, don't you?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing a good game of volleyball can't fix
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Duh!!!! God doesn't have a CLOUD!!! He has wings Adsense, cmon now, stop being ignorant.

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  TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That gave me a good laugh...
  
  I like what you had to say above, "We are spirits having a human experience."
  
  That's really awesome. May I borrow it?
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  ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure spider, but I can't take resposibility for it, I got it from Dr. Wayne Dyer on a PBS special, it just seemed to stick with me.
  
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
Mankind has populated the earth beyond its own capacity to provide for itself. If God intervened and magically provided for all of the hungry people on the planet we would only overextend ourselves again ; and if God again majically provided the food for the hungry we would overextend ourselves again and if God intervened again. and again and again we would soon find ourselves in a standing room only planet; like chickens in a bird cage.
PLEASE get off of the Why doesn't YOUR God fix our F--ups Why does mankind feel that we have to place blame outside of themselves???????????
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No.
  
  When theists claim they have an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god they describe a being with the desire and ability to fix all our fuckups.
  
  It doesn't matter who's responsible for those problems, (though if an omniscient, omnipotent creator exists it is certainly that being) the fact the problems exist proves there is no entity with the power and desire to fix them.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami says....
  You coppied the portion of my post that you wanted to respond to; and asked a question that I had already answered in the origional post. This is who's fault that it is.
  
  Mankind has populated the earth beyond its own capacity to provide for itself. If God intervened and magically provided for all of the hungry people on the planet we would only overextend ourselves again ; and if God again majically provided the food for the hungry we would overextend ourselves again and if God intervened again. and again and again we would soon find ourselves in a standing room only planet; like chickens in a bird cage.
  PLEASE get off of the Why doesn't YOUR God fix our F--ups Why does mankind feel that we have to place blame outside of themselves???????????
  Sometimes A person can help a community but by doing so has done more harm than good.
  I forget where I read this but I think that it says a lot.
  "It is a wise man who can see the action in inaction"?
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, you didn't.
  
  An omnipotent god would be able to eliminate child poverty and a benevolent god would want to to so. It doesn't matter how many words you type in making excuses for why that isn't so, it doesn't change anything.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, cool down, bud. Just ask the same question to yourself, except replace the words, "place blame" with "give thanks" and you'll answer your own question.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Spot on Q!
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Free will. It allows us to do and say anything we like; including making a boatful of money at others' expense. Assuming there is no God, that would just make it us. Assuming there is a God, that still makes it us, as we are the ones running the show here. If believeing in a God brings purpose or provides an anchor in your life; great. If not believeing in a God gives you purpose or provides an anchor in your life; equally great.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That sounded simple and logical. Simple Truth is hard to argue with but I am sure someone will.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Simplicity is the way life is. It's we Humans that make it so difficult.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  *applauds* I *knew* you were more than just a cute (and tasty, apparently) little sheep
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps, this'll buy me a little more time on the pasture.
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RKHenryposted 14 years ago
"Do you really believe theirs a God?"
First, let us do try to use correct English. Let us start there. I mean come on, is that really to much to ask?
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Can't we all just get along?

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  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHlopjHepEw
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He wasn't much convinced !
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
No worries !! ... It just sounds like a redundant question about ALL the Hungry Children that has been posted for weeks now.
Just supposed that you were a sky ferry that had the ability to wave a magic wand and feed the hungry children in the world. They grow up and make babies that have babies and they are hungry cause we caint feed them all. You wave your magic wand again and they grow up and have even more hungry children than before. When does it end. Before long we would be standing shoulder to shoulder with noplace to lay our head.
Eventually if you kept waving your magic wand people are not going to like you for that. Damned if ya do and damed if you don't.

When I start feeling sorry for my self, My back hurts, I'm at work, not making enough money to pay the electricity bill, no food in the pantry...Poor poor me ... I can always think of about a 100 places and predicaments that I would rather not be in more than the one that I am in.
Yes I am then thankful for what I have got. Every morning when I wake up and my back hurts, I am immediately thankful that I am not paralyzed.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's actually a great Sci-Fi story from way back that brings up the idea of eternal growth of one species and a character in the story asked: But to what end? You keep growing with an ever-increasing need to find new resources, meanwhile your species keeps growing and so on and so on. It raised a valid question in a time when starvation and lack of resources wasn't even a big concern in the world. Just a random thought.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If we study the problem our whole lives we would find that there are no RIGHT answers.
  My Grand Pa looked at me one day and ask. "What are you worried about?" "No dont tell me, let me ask ya, can ya do anything about it?", "are ya going ta go anything about it"?
  If your answer was no to either of those questions, DON'T WORRY about it"
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It might very well be redundant, if it weren't so colossally hypocritical.
  
  Why doesn't your god feed them all? He feeds you, doesn't he?
  
  One more reason why we shouldn't listen to the bible for advice, you know, like this command:
  
  "Go forth and multiply"
  
  Simple answer, just stop pretending there's a sky fairy waving a magic wand in your direction.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like my grandfather once said, "Its good for ya to want something once in a while that ya aint goina git, it makes ya appreciate it when you do get what ya want"
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's right. Stand up like up a man and thank yourself for a job well done when you do get it. Give credit where credit is due.
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  The Paulposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which is of course true for those of us who live in a blind, godless universe.
  
  Were we living under the care of an omnipotent and omniscient, and benevolent god that being would instead simply grace us with an appreciation for and understanding of what it is we posses.
  
  Y'know, instead of letting millions of children die in agony to achieve the same end.
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Well, Jerami. I listen to people every day stand up and shout out to the world about all of the injustices that are happening everywhere in the world, all the evils visited upon the populations, etc.....then they sit down and grab a latte and watch TV. Yup. That helped.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't do much in helping the conditions of the world either. I do what little that I can. I could sell my home give that to charity. but then that would feed a few people for a very little while and then I'd be in that line waiting for soup my self. Yea I'm selfish.
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've calmed down alot. (I was one of the above-mentioned). I donate to others when I can, but I'm just above the poverty line myself. Let those with the means to help help others overseas, I try to help those here best that I can. Am I selfish in doing that? Eh, who is anyone to judge me?
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
With or without money, if we give we give.
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awareposted 14 years ago
if i do . is that ok with everyone? if i dont . can i do that too? im the kind of guy that lets others believe as they wish . its how i roll
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would think God cares if you believe in him. Its a shame the whole world doesn't. I also believe you are on the right track by letting other see for themselves the love of God. God doesn't believe pushing,. He is a patient God. Same with his son. Jesus died for us. For our sins. He asked God to forgive the people who murdered him on the cross. Frienz4lif
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Oh no! A new sect! People who actually respect the rights of others!
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
Hi Earnest !
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi tantrum!
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Is this the place where you post your hubs for review by fellow hubbers?

Walking the hallways banging into walls!

If your still debating the God/Devil thing I suggest going to Comedy central and watch South Park episode where Jesus and Satan have the fight in the ring! The answer is now clear to me.

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Lorenzo Wallaceposted 14 years ago
Very interesting and lively conversation. I believe in God and I am a Christian. I would like to share my faith with you.

Everything that God created was created as such and is perfect. Every species of creature that is in the ocean, air, and on land. We all have our purpose and a reason for being exactly what we are.

There are three earth ages. We are currently in the second and waiting on the third. We were all present in the first earth age but due to pride and jealousy harmony was ruined. Since God loves all of us very much he has given us the opportunity to be born of woman -- to give us a chance to confess our love to Him. This is due to us having free well. We must choose.

Humans are the only creations with a body, soul, and spirit. Yes. We are special! I know you may be asking yourself--how does he know this stuff is true? Well, it is by "faith".
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  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know Faith she works at the coffee shop down the street.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It shows
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well said ;D
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MagicStarERposted 14 years ago
"If there is really a god why is there starvation? I don't know that answer."

Good question. Why does God allow so much suffering, sickness, death, and destruction? This is the same question I always asked and never could understand, until my eyes were opened and understood that God is not the responsible one for all of this.

We are all created with freedom of choice. That is why Adam and Eve had the freedom to make the wrong or right choice. They made the wrong one. They chose evil instead of good. And with the entrance of evil into the world, also came death and disease, destruction, and murder. Because of the entrance into the world of evil, we now all must DIE, and not have eternal life, as was God's original plan.

God is not responsible for all the evil and suffering in the world. He is tremendously saddened and aggrieved to see the destruction and distortion of his creation, and the suffering of his children.

There is a totally evil, totally destructive force alive and working in the world, and it is Satan, the liar, the purveyor of death and evil. One third of all the angels in heaven were convinced to follow Satan. And most of the people living on this earth also follow this force of evil. ALL of the sickness, death, murder, torture, and anything that is evil is caused directly by Satan and his minions. NOT by God.

God will rid the world of this force, and he will restore us and our world to its original beauty and restore eternal life to us, his children. But the world must be rid of all evil, and all that hurts, destroys, sickens, or contaminates. The true character of God is love. It is totally against his character to destroy or to kill.

He is gathering evidence against Satan and his milennial works of evil and destruction - it is this evidence that he must present in front of all the universe and all of Heaven, to justify the eternal destruction of Satan and all who follow him. To justify the totally alien to his nature job he must do in destroying them all. Because God is LOVE and not death nor destruction.

In the new world, these evil forces will no longer exist. We are not meant to understand everything. Only to understand that God is good and not evil, to trust him, and to know that he is in charge, not us, and he knows what he is doing. One day we will understand everything clearly, though now we look through a glass darkly, it will all be made clear to us when the time is right.

Pray for understanding, and he will open your eyes. Pray for forgiveness and a new heart filled with love, and he will give you eternal life and fill you with the Holy Spirit, who will guide you to all understanding.

Pray for help, and he will help you.

YES there is a God and he helps me every day!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  *hands star a bullet-proof vest and a key to the bomb shelter*
  
  That was beautiful. You're going to need these.
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree. God gives everyone choices. ;D
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What complete and utter, evil garbage. How does a four year old child born in Mali, where there is no running water, no vaccination program, no sewage system, no electricity, no free public education, no stores, no jobs, no NOTHING, have CHOICES
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I feel for that child. There are lots of choices. If you get involved and spread the word about that child then that child has a chance, right? It takes your concern to get the ball rolling. If you go to church let the pastor know of this matter.
  Instead of blaming God. He gave you a mouth to do something about it. Legs to go church and make a change..
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was a joke answer was it? Are you seriously telling me that most people don't already know of the immense desolation that is the lives of literally billions of people on this planet
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What? Again, inform your pastor of this.. Get a group started to help them..
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is what I just wrote news to you. Are you not aware that four billion of the six billion people on earth do not, in effect, have any life choices, because they are simply too grindingly poor to have any? Any pastor in America should know this... any PERSON in America should know this!
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Still the more you make aware of this.. and help do something about it, instead of blaming God. The quicker progress gets done. Then those stats may go down.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are right. But I am not blaming God. My position is that God cannot be all-loving, all-compassionate, all-merciful, all-powerful, Our Heavenly Father (of us all), all-seeing, and one who intervenes on occasion (as he does in the Old Testament) in human affairs, and yet still allow these shocking stats to continue.
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is all loving. That is where we come in and demonstrate Gods love. And, you are blaming him. Just like I said. If you are sad about this. Do something about it.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not "blaming him" because I am saying that the conception of God that I just laid out is:
  (a) the standard Christian conception of God (as far as I know)
  (b) illogical, literally (how could he be all-compassionate, have the power to help the 27 000 children PER DAY that die of preventable diseases, and not do anything about it. I'D do something about it if I was all-compassionate and all-powerful, so how can I be more compassionate than God... it makes no sense at all).
  In other words, I not "blaming God", I am rejecting the stnadard Christian conception of God because it doesn't make any sense
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wonderful fairy tale. How many shows do you do a night?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That Adam and Eve... I just knew it was them!
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 14 years ago
Ok i made it easy for you lazy bums....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twzXR38CMWA

Daytona
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
I am impressed this thread this has legs on it.

Do you really believe there is a God? My answer is no. There is no god.

A simple test to prove there is no god? Honestly admit to yourself - Who is responsible for your thoughts and actions?

If you come up to the answer - "GOD", then obviously you are just foolish.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In regards to your simple test: Really? In all seriousness, no sarcasm...really?
  
  How is me being responsible for my own thoughts and actions a refutation of the existence of God? That very responsibility *part* of His gift to humans.
  
  *IF* there were a being capable of creating a universe, is it not possible that such a being could create beings capable of giving rise to their own individual thoughts?
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We are responsible for ourselves. God only grants happiness in our hearts. Patience,. Again, I for one believe in God and his son Jesus. When we (humans) makes mistakes we should come clean and solve them diplomatically. The time will come when we all will make the final decision to believe in him or not. Hopefully all his children will believe in him. I for one do.
  Frienz4lif
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Good to see you two agree! So I guess we just wait until your god realises the quality of life issue for the starving, then teach the hungry to pray!
This is so sick and stupid it is very hard to believe that anyone thinks like this still!
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

Jesus just lied straight out didn't he?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And who was he talking to when he said that?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To the people
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I don't think so. He was talking to the 12.
  I Am sure that you have said certain things to those closest to you that if they do this then you will do that. That statement would not be true for someone else other than the one you directed that statement to. And besides that, I don't they had pure faith and Jesus knew that.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See what I mean. Now if this isn't an accusation, then I guess I must be reading pig Latin.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You went way back there to say this? You really are fanatical aren't you?
  I stand by exactly what I said in the context I said it in. You abuse the truth to make a point.You and readers know the context.
  
  I definitely did say Jesus lied straight out didn't I? Then I backed it up with your own scripture. Gutless!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, just treating you with the same respect.
  
  How is that gutless?
  
  What's your deal? To gutless to stand behind your own words? Apparently so.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What are you talking about? I stand behind both statements, do you have trouble with comprehension as well as spelling?
  It is gutless to move between subjects and use words spoken in one conversation and apply it to another. Simple, easy to see.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I've continued to have the same conversation. I continued to carry on with the same subject matter. The only one who is gutless, is apparently you. I have even directed my quotes with your quotes.
  
  And "I'm gutless....." "Christ lied.........."
  
  You're all about making accusations and not standing behind them. You are all about receiving respect, but YOU are apparently not about showing it. What's the definition of gutless again?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Say what you will, you can but say what you are.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Predictable.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
I'm glad I'm not a child!

Wouldn't want to be there !
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Who was he speaking to all the other times he made this claim Jerami?

And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was a mixture. When speaking privately he was speaking to who he was speaking to. Ya have to read the verses that you are refering to and see who he was talking to. there is a diffrence in the messages depending upon who he was talking to.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He was speaking of faith, on a theological level.
  
  earnestshub, being fully aware of how you feel about Christ, it is somewhat expected that you'd think he was/is a liar. To us who read things differently, from a theological stand point to better themselves for the after life (in which you don't believe in) it is the truth. However, with that all said- why are you so sure it's a lie? Where is your rock solid proof that what he said in those two scriptures, and at that point in time in history was a lie? You always expect rock solid concrete evidence from Christians, well when you make such an accusation- how is it that you don't have the rock solid evidence from that time in history already posted, making your accusation correct?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not remember if I answered this question or not and am too lazzy to go searching to see.
  There were some ocasions such as when he said you will cast out deamons... He was speaking only to those that he was speaking to. It would be his choice if and when he gives that power to others. Any time that jesus was speaking privately with anyone we must consider that the statement MIGHT be pertainly to the person only.
  
  When two diffrent disciples mentions that a conversation was a private conversation; I would believe that these things pertained to those individuals exclusively and also possability others depending upon the structure of the statement others may be included also.
  
  If I say to you that your hair looks nice, does anyyone elses hair look nice? Maybe and maybey not!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A couple of points here. I have never demanded rock solid evidence, any evidence at all would suffice!
  
  What is this reading differently business? Words are words, with education we have learnt how to read them. I did not read the bible to disprove it! I read it as part of my strong religious belief at the time!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I beg to differ. You do.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then you are mistaken. There has never been any evidence provided. Unlike religionists with a vested interest you will find that almost all non-believers are willing to consider any proof.... any proof at all!
  Even a sane entity tho invisible would have been a good start!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, then I must be mistaken. I can take the hint that YOU have no proof to back up your accusations and claims. Apparently you just like calling people liars for no good reason. I see.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I made no accusations, did not call anyone a liar and the claims are yours not mine!
  Is it a religious thing to deliberately misuse the truth?
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
The screw up in Jesus' work is not who he was talking to, but what was he teaching?
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
There is one major instance that who he was talking to is made evident and yet people completely disregard the fact that it is stated in scripture that this is a private conversation.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are ocasions that I might say something to you that would not be true if someone else tried to applied it to themselves.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Like I said, it might help if you knew what he was teaching in the first place? Jesus spoke in many different metaphors. The Human development of Language, was very limited during his time.

Also, remember - Jesus did not agree with other religious leaders of his time, he knew religion spoke of a fake god. He was executed for it.

Religion has been around longer than the message of Jesus. Do realize that. The religious/spiritual leaders of centuries ago, stole Jesus' work and incorporated his teachings into religion.

NOT everything of Jesus' work was included, some was left out, because it has nothing to do with religion or god.
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
it might help if you knew what he was teaching in the first place
NOT everything of Jesus' work was included,
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Lexyposted 14 years ago
Question: Do you really believe there's a God

My answer: yes
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can I ask why? Just curious
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I absolutely do
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