Do you really believe theirs a God?

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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
This is evil isn't it?
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
Like I said earlier, here's PROOF that HE exists!!!

At $49 its a steal too!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twzXR38CMWA

Daytona
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where would we be without South Park!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Better off?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like a lot of American cartoons, more honest than the news by a long shot!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is no different then the bias news already received from mass media coverage on all world events.
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  nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is such as horrible show in my opinion .
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I will agree. It's a sadly pathetic show, as is with the rest of the other animated ones. How these became prime time shows? Is beyond all comprehension.
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  nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I only wish we could get them off the air. They contaminating.
  I think. Not to mention dysfunctional .
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess stupid humor goes a long way.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How do you go with "The Simpsons" then? I swear I have met Ned Flanders in real life!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That show is just as pathetic as the rest.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
Mercy is founded in love
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
Please DON'T make me break out the Mr. Hanky Video Clips.

Daytona
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Williamjordanposted 13 years ago
What happen to simple yes or no answer where all these damn smart ass people come from did you make yourselves or what person hurting have you help. If you don't believe write what you do once again have you ever heared me comment on your petty bullshit,I am not once of those feaks that have a fake God I am a hardcore street person that the so called christian like to pet on the head and give a dollar and the unbeliever like to jump on or call the police on you both wish I would disappear so you can live your fake lies. You will see real believers will help the childern and all suffers as much as they can.So take your cute world debates to another forum where people get a kick out of bullshit because I want to know does anybody else want to help change this world we have mess up by being bad stewards and letting anybody say they are a christian regardless of there action it's not for God to stand up it's for us who say we believe to stand up and live as if we believe.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think that it is too close to the end of the book now to change what we have already written. We can't unboil an egg or un pickle a cucumber. We can however try to improve the conditions of the world that is within our reach.
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  cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i dwell in possibility
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seasoningposted 13 years ago
will we all just agree to disagree, and be done with it
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Williamjordanposted 13 years ago
No we cannot undue the past but we can make a differance like,some of the man I write about in my Hubs they made a differnt doing there time we can make a differance and our time God will help us.
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Holy Land Giftsposted 13 years ago
God does exist and he has proven that time and time again to people. However, it all depends on if people are going to see past the blinders that they have on to see that God is speaking to them or if they are going to let themselves continue to be blinded by the greed or thoughts that he doesn't exist that Satan plants in the minds of people.

God does exist and he has proven it multiple times.
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  cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you mean Satan goes around planting ThereIsNoChristianGod seeds in everyone's consciousness? even little babies? how does he do that? is it through Black Magic or something? how does he know who he implanted already? does he keep a log or something?
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  greeneyesH1982posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  watch this it makes some good points
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Theologian run around circular junk.
  
  It insinuates something came from nothing, when we already know that everything came from somewhere.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And where did the "somewhere from whence everything came" come from?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice back (oh, I think I already said that somewhere. Well never mind, it is a nice back, so hey)
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so thinking God doesn't exist is greed
  and greed is Satan's seed.
  
  It looks like Satan is a very good farmer.
  
  I love farms.
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  zampanoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hummmmmm.
  I get all excited when you talk like that...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This post is clearly blatant self-promotion (okay well you have to see the poster's avatar)
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  nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thank you
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The Paulposted 13 years ago
Satan is such a feeble defense of the tri-om god.

If some supremely powerful, supremely knowledgeable, entity which loves us exists, the existence or non-existence of Satan is totally irrelevant.

The parent analogy that Christians are fond of is ironically useful for destroying Christian conceptions of God:

Suppose you are a physically powerful and competent individual with finely honed senses. Suppose you have a small dog which is getting on in years and begun to suffer from dementia, and a young child whom you love very much.

Suppose this animal, in its madness, savagely attacks your child an any available opportunity. It does not merely bite and run away, but continues to attack, you know it will tear at your child's flesh about the face and neck if you allow it to continue. The child is too young to defend themself.

The animal is no threat to you, you can easily restrain or otherwise overcome it, and you are fully aware of its position in relation to your child and its activities. In all likelyhood you will have the animal destroyed. Yes, it is sad, but it's the best course of action.

Or perhaps you can't bring yourself to destroy this poor animal, which does not understand that what it is doing is wrong. You would take some action, separate it from your child, keep it penned or restricted to some specific portion of your home.

What you would not do is continue to allow both the dog and the child to wander about your home as they will, resulting in many traumatic attacks upon your beloved child by your ailing pet, and even if were so foolish that you did, you would not stand aside and let the attacks take place without interfering.

Satan doesn't excuse your supposed god.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
The Cowboys haven't won a Playoff game in 14 years. So I am on my knees asking my God for a win tonight, so please hold all your favors until he grants mine. Thank You!

Daytona
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, Daytona...I think the Cowboys must've pissed off God...or Satan one.
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zampanoposted 13 years ago
Do you really believe theirs a God?
Whose god ?
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TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years ago
I'd just like to point out that for the majority of human history the existence of deity has been accepted as fact.

The claim that God does not exist is much, much more recent in human history.

I say the burden of proof lies with the atheists; theirs is the most recent claim. Let's see some rock-solid proof that there is NO deity.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is also true of the notion that men and women are equal, or that slavery is not ok. Just an observation
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, and the women and black people have proven their cases.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I mean that for centuries upon centuries women have literally been seen as property, but "the claim that" they are equal "is much, much more recent in human history."
  
  Nevertheless, women and blacks SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO prove their cases... it was ALWAYS true that what people thought about these two classes of people was erroneous. (Sorry about the caps... just easier... it's pretty late here)
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol...I hear you on the caps.
  
  As to your argument that their claims were always true: Those who accept that God exists see that as something that SHOULD BE OBVIOUS.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK, maybe, but that wasn't your initial point. Your argument was that things that have been held for a long time are more likely to be right...
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not exactly; I do not think that it's more likely to be right because it's older, but that if someone should have to put forward proof and evidence, it should be the atheists, theirs is the most recent claim in this debate. Prior to their claim, people assumed the existence of God (because as theists will tell you, it is obvious)--so let them prove their claim.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why would anyone need to claim a belief simply because they do not wish to believe the controlling crap in the religious tomes? Invisible, inactive sky fairies won't cut it with a smart four year old unless indoctrinated!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can spout your mess about "inactive sky fairies," which is insulting in and of itself--as someone who claims to have previously had "strong religious feelings" should know--all you want; I have not been disrepectful to you, Earnest, and usually find you quite nice to talk to. But I *ALSO* find it quite difficult to believe that random explosions result in intricate universes. So, I require proof that there isn't intelligence behind existence.
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  The Paulposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your god was invented several hundred years ago. For all the rest of human history, no one believed in your god. Even if argumentum ad populum wasn't a logical fallacy (that's what you're doing by the way, using a logical fallacy) it would still be on your head to show some evidence of your god.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And who is "my god"? Do you know? I think not.
  
  ETA: You don't know me, and you *think* you know who and what I believe it, but it's obvious from the tripe you spout that you don't.
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  The Paulposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Suppose I don't, but it doesn't really matter. From the outset, given the massive divisiveness of religious view today and through history, it is impossible that the majority of people have worshiped your god. Doesn't matter what your god is like, there's just no agreement.
  
  But regarding Christianity in particularly, sometime between the first half of Christianity and now, and I'm having some trouble pinning down just when, Christians stopped worshipping the god of the bible(good thing, too!) and started worshipping a god of the gaps.
  
  The god currently worshipped by Christians is a new invention very different from any previous concepts of god. It has not been believed in through most of history.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hell, one Hubber here cannot even own up to making accusations of calling Christ a liar. What makes you think they are up to that kind of challenge. I'd say we are out of luck on this one. They want respect, but yet they don't give it. So then what?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There have been hundreds of deities!
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
You called him a liar. That is making an accusation. You may be from Australia, but I sure we all use the same dictionaries.

Whatever....
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TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years ago
I would also like to point out for believers as well as atheists that if one looks up the word "satan" in a concordance, one will find that satan is not an entity, or personality. "Satan" means "enemy;" satan is anything that stands in the way of that which is good.

Many people have "satan" confused with an entity called "Lucifer." They are not one and the same.
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Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago
I saw this on a church billboard:

"God does not beleive in atheists so actually they do not esist."

I thought it was humurous.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is that like the old one...
  
  God is Dead - Nietzsche
  
  Nietzsche is Dead - God ?
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
earnesthub, you surprised me. Thought for sure you were a man of honor. Man, I even remember not too long ago where I sent you an email, apologizing for Christians who behave badly towards you for being an Atheist. Who called you names like gutless.

You really show yourself in a new light. You like bully, you like to make accusations. But cannot stand up to follow through with your own words, and stand up to that argument in a respectful manner as you so desired from bashing Christians.

Did you ever hear the old saying, you are what you eat?

Respectable my butt crack............

Seriously, calling me gutless. How about you standing behind your words, and following through with your own actions. How about YOU treating ME with the same respect that YOU want to be treated with. How about that?

Talk about calling the kettle black.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
You said any evidence would suffice.

Well, I prayed to "Our GOD" about four hours ago for a Dallas Cowboys win after 14 years of not winning a Playoff Game! The fact they crushed the Philly Eagles tonight is proof positive that HE does exist. I think we can now close the book on whether HE exists or not. You now have SOLID Proof! There can be no denying this and I accept all apologies in advance from those of you who were doubting this before tonight.

Daytona
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am in deep shock! That was more unlikely than the second coming!!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We agree!!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You and other fans must be ecstatic!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To be honest, I gave up watching years ago... Kinda makes me sad...I would like to have watched it with my Dad, like old times.
  
  Ah well...
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, is Dad gone? I miss my Dad all the time.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, he's pretty far away...and we've been estranged for a few years. We have inconsistent communication...I miss being small and hangin' out with him. When I was a little girl, my Dad was just *the best* thing since sliced bread. It sounds like you know what I mean, except just on the guy end...I wish we knew each other better now.
  
  I hope we'll get there.
  
  I'm sorry you miss your Dad too. I lost my Mom a little over a year ago. It cuts like a knife.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I lost my dad fifteen years ago, my mom went soon after. I hope you can sort it out with your dad, it is not easy when they are alive, impossible when they are gone..
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, Earnest, me too; I'm trying.
  
  I'm sorry for your loss. I know it's been awhile, but I understand it remains painful.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pain is a funny thing with losing loved ones. I sort of have a way of coping with it. I lost my beautiful daughter inlaw through medical negligence recently too. She was just in her thirties. I try to remember something about lost loved ones every day by trying to live up to the best of their values. No one is perfect even after they are gone, but we can concentrate on those things we admire most in them. It eases the pain for me.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pray for the Cowboys to WIN and when it happens, the credit goes to GOD?
  
  How ridiculous is that? They are a professional football team, who happens to be really good. GOD had nothing to do with them winning. But, thanks for letting me know you're praying for them?
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  RKHenryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey what about those who prayed for the Eagles to win??
  
  I wonder what the h*ll happen?
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  ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very simple answer. I prayed to OUR GOD and in addition to asking for the Cowboys to win, I asked for HIM to ignore all the Eagles Fans requests. Now, since I made a public notice here I asked him, before any Eagles fans did, he showed his power by granting my wishes. Its that simple.
  
  Cagsil...Did you ask how RIDUCULOUS it was I prayed to OUR God and he responded. Now come on home boy, you said they are a professional team and are REALLY GOOD??? They had't won a playoff game in 14 years, Until I made the request last night. You have your proof and you can stop your rantings about whatever object you call your god. Its clear now you must pray to My GOD because he is all our GOD!!! He proved it last night and you are just embarrassed to see you were wrong.
  
  The fact he ignored Eagles fans this year can be easily explained this way. He thinks what Michael Vick did was an abomination, and he loves dogs....
  
  ps. The reason the New Cowboys stadium has a retractable roof...its so GOD can watch his favorite team play too. C;mon guys, that should convince all of you to just stop this bickering and love our Dallas Cowboy lovin GOD!!!
  
  Daytona
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  RKHenryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh god help us all.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I find your statement ridiculous, because you are Claiming "OUR" God. If you think there is a God, so be it, but don't make it mine.
  
  You want to belief in imaginary things, be my guest. Don't include me in your plans.
  
  Do you normally live in the past? Btw- I don't pray to NO GOD, because there is no god to pray to. So, please.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's really that simple. And, while god was making sure your request to have your favorite football team win, 25,000 children starved to death.
  
  You must be very proud of yourself.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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Hear Mum Roarposted 13 years ago
Yes, I believe in a god of sorts, but I don't call it god. I don't believe in a god in the Christian sense at all.
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TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years ago
Besides, I'm not offering that as a proof of the existence of god...only proof that the default position in history is not the atheists'.

In other words, the *more* ridiculous claim historically is YOURS, and intelligent people for most of the history of the world would have laughed in your face, as I do. So YOU prove YOUR ridiculous claim. The burden of proof rests with the atheists.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOL
  
  Wow - sorry your ridiculous beliefs are not accepted any more. Education will do that to you.
  
  I see you are very angry - why is that?
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL...I'm not angry...I just don't know how to make italics for emphasis here. LOL I personally don't care what you believe...and take more offense to so-called believers in the Bible who run around spouting *their* tripe about eternal torture and damnation.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So - you can prove that the eternal torture and damnation one does not exist then?
  
  Click the button that says "Formatting tips" when you make your next response.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that the word "hell" has gotten incorrect connotations. I certainly haven't found some mythical underground place where a dude in a red devil suit is burning people up forever--have you?
  
  The Hebrew people believed that when you died you were dead. You went into the ground, period. The word that has gotten translated as "hell" (particularly in the Old Testament) was *originally* the word "sheol." A look in a concordance will show that this word means grave.
  
  The confusion begins with the New Testament, where it became necessary for disciples know what Torah said in Hebrew and be able to communicate it Greek...So the words "Hades" and "Gehenna" come into use (as translations of Sheol) with their connotations of burning and the mythical underground....but that is not the intended meaning:
  
  Hell=the grave; not some place of eternal torture...So I get a kick out of telling other believers that everyone goes to Hell...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am well aware of the misinterpretations used by the current crop of evangelicals.
  
  Now prove that their god does not exist and justify why I should accept the burden of proof for saying - "none of your gods exist."
  
  LOL - You guys cannot even agree what the bible says (see 1800 years of wars) let alone define this invisible super being.
  
  And somehow I should be able to disprove it - when you cannot even agree or define it.
  
  Disprove all the others that are not "yours" then.
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Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago
"Tripe"?

Golly gosh you believers get defensive when asked to show something other than bronze age fairy tales as proof.

Perhaps you could now go ahead and define your god - and either offer some proof (other than "it is obvious" LOLOLOLO) or stop accusing people of spouting tripe because they do not believe in your invisible super being?

Although - yours is one of the best "I don't need to offer any proof" arguments I have heard. Much better than the usual "If you cannot disprove it - it must be true" rubbish.

So - proof please. Whenever you are ready.
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RKHenryposted 13 years ago
IE 1
Earnsthub 0

Nice spanking IE! Well done mate.

earnsthub, she checked mate your butt at your own game.

God, that's funny.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is isn't it? So she is serious?
  Hi tantrum! :)Hi aware and RKH.
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lyricsingrayposted 13 years ago
unsure.
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TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years ago
Since you are *so well versed* in all this scholarly crap, you know that this work has already been done...Holding off for a moment on the "personality" of God or attributes of God (which any HONEST or intelligent believer will tell you they're still studying and learning about, and couldn't prove anyway--I can't even prove MY attributes, much less God's...could you *prove* to me that you're a nice guy?)-one can begin with the arguments for intelligent design.

When someone can prove to me that random explosions result intricate universes OR disprove Aquinas' arguments for the existence of an intelligent creator of the Universe, then I might consider a new line of belief. But as far as I can tell Stephen Hawking disproved the Big Bang theory and Aquinas' proofs have yet to be denied.

No reason for me to waste my time re-iterating that stuff when I can point you to it. Of course, I'm sure it won't matter, and I don't have much of interest in proving myself right or wrong (ETA: to you or atheists). I get tired of insulting debates in which most people cannot maintain respect for fellow human beings regardless of their beliefs....And, as I'm sure you know, humans have this tendency to not be swayed from their arguments. Plus, as I said before...I'm more concerned about believers who spread the lie of "hell" and torture than I am with atheists and what they believe...they get points with me just because they're not condemning people. LOL

When it comes right down to it...everyone's got to find God on their own. I can see him in the intricacy of planetary orbits, and in the perfection of the mathematical formula that results in a perfect wave shape for the nautilus, the waves, and the growth of trees. I can see Him in the incredible diversity of life on this planet, and great mystery that is the spark of life; when I say it's obvious, those are the kinds of things I'm talking about--I don't think random explosions make those things. I have personal as well as academic reasons for my belief. But I am capable of admitting that it's a belief, not a fact, and I don't require *you* or anyone else to believe in it. I think it's fun to discuss it, but I get pretty disgusted when people get bent out of shape about it.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So why is the burden of proof on me? - if you freely admit you have nothing to prove - just a belief.
  
  Why should I need to disprove it when you cannot define it, have no argument in favor other than "there must be a god.... because," and cannot prove it.
  
  Yours has no rules for me to follow I take it?
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again, it becomes apparent to me that you do not take the time to read what other people write to you.
  
  Atheists (not you, personally) are the people who introduced these ideas of Big Bangs and lack of intelligent design...I would just like to see the proof of that. *shrug* Nobody seems willing to provide it.
  
  It's lunch time here, and I have to make sure my elderly gentleman is fed and has his treatments...but I'm sure we'll run across each other soon.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I read what you wrote.
  
  What you are saying is - You said there was a god first, therefore it is up to me to disprove it.
  
  Fine - great argument. I guess that means the Buffalo god we originally worshiped is going to be pissed.
  
  Seriously - you have not made a rational argument and this is - I feel - the basis of the friction between believers and atheists. You are trying to justify your ridiculous beliefs - and most of these gods come with a set of rules we should follow.
  
  You are just running away from the burden of proof.
  
  Like all believers - why? Because you have none. Irrational belief is what you have.
  
  And I need to disprove the invisible super being?
  
  Hence the clash.
  
  You cannot see how useless and evasive your argument is.
  
  Seriously - the burden of proof is on you.
  
  Tell you what - you disprove all those gods that are not yours and I will disprove the remaining one.
  
  After you.
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TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years ago
Sorry that took so long, BTW...I care for an elderly gentleman, and I'm often back and forth.
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The Paulposted 13 years ago
You don't directly get an understanding of the transformations religion has gone through by reading it in a religious text, because what's happening is exactly what the majority of theologians, (they are most often religious themselves, it seems) don't want to admit: That their god mutates and changes in exactly the same fashion as every other cultural phenomenon

No accepted apologist is ever going to spell it out for you.

You read the bible, you read religious essays from the first couple of centuries, you read religious essays down the line through when all that reformation stuff was going on, you talk to Christians today...

...these people are not worshiping the same god.

And you might even be able to justify that, but one of the few attributes all these gods share is that they are supposed to be immutable and unchanging.

As for the origin of the universe, logic just doesn't work like that. Talking about the big-bang is a distraction. "God" can not explain the existence of the universe, Dawkins does a good job of explaining why that is. You probably don't like Dawkins much but for all the time theists spend ridiculing him there seems to be a great reluctance to actually address anything he's said.

It boils down to this: Either all complex things need a designer OR that is not true. Has to be one or the other. If all complex things need a designer then an ultimate god is immediately rendered impossible. Each creator must have a creator above it. I have read several defences of why this should not apply to god. They are classic examples of special pleading. If not all complex things require a designer then there is no reason to suspect a creator of the universe unless we find some evidence for one. Real evidence. Not "look how amazing this is."

Tossing the phrase "big bang" into insisting that the universe needs a creator doesn't add anything to the claim, it just highlights how your god is a god of the gaps. Science pushes the history of the universe farther and farther back, showing us things no ancient priest ever dreamed of, and religion keeps insisting god lives in the bit before that. Religion crams the gods into the shrinking bits of the big bang and abiogenesis that science doesn't understand. Into the gaps.

Gods of gaps are a new phenomenon. People have not believed in them throughout human history. Through most of human history the majority of people were isolated and ignorant and they believed in grand, obvious gods that tread wherever they pleased. Christians included. Gap-gods are timid, shy creatures by comparison, only invented in the last couple hundred years when communication and knowledge showed us the gods that had been popular for so long didn't exist.

So saying to an atheist "People have always believed in my god, it's up to you to prove why we should change things," doesn't hold water. Gods come and go. Your god is a new god, and whether or not people continue to believe in gods in general, sooner or later they will stop believing in yours.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
I will put in a request RKhenry for you and see what I can do.

Daytona
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  RKHenryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you do that. My ass hurts from sitting here too long. Pray for that too while you are at it.
  
  I'm tired, got chores to do, and I'll check back later. Bye you all for now.
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
OMG! No God! *winces*
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
RKhenry....

I can understand your frustrations, but Our GOD is not like a local radio station who takes requests all day long. I happened to appeal to HIS football side, and knowing HIS team is the Cowboys aka "Americas Team" HE made that request easily fulfilled.

As far as your ass hurting, I might suggest preparation H or maybe watching certain activities you do that may cause pain in that area. A comfortable cushion on your chair may do the trick, we don't need to bother GOD for that one.

Daytona
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
Cagsil says...You want to belief in imaginary things, be my guest. Don't include me in your plans.

I see your are a little misguided, so I am taking you under my wing and allowing you to pray to OUR GOD! He is NOW in your plans, and will always be there for you. So stop kicking and screaming and just enjoy HIS Gift.

Daytona
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Misguided? You're obvious the misguided one.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
Hey Q

No sense of humor. Huh!

You must be a real pleasure to be around! You've the defintion of a party pooper for sure!

Note to self: If having a party and need to clear out the room fast, INVITE Q to the Party!

Daytona
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
your posts were humorous???
the only ones laughing are laughing at you.
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awareposted 13 years ago
im not laughing
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi aware !
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awareposted 13 years ago
hi
maybe just maybe there is a god . and maybe its a really cool one. then again maybe there aint
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
Hey Tantrum

Well aware your position on these forums is to bait and to belittle, unlike your many victims, I don't fall for your lines, your true colors are a lot clearer than you might like everyone to know.

As far as your immature comment of everyone laughing AT me, my email box paints a much different picture. But, arguing or trying to convince you of anything but your SET ways would be like trying to win an online discussion about GOD!!! Both are a complete and utter waste of my time.

Daytona
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  If that's not childish!
  
  Why don't you tell me what my true colours are?
  I'm sure everybody will love your description.
  Me included.
  Go ahead !
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oooh! Can I go first?
  Intelligent, logical, takes no prisoners! Thats my girl!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  hi earnest!!
  Childish answers to childish remarks
  
  She thinks she's intelligent.
  She can be my guest !
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TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years ago
Daytona:

I thought your bit about praying for Cowboys was hilarious myself.
Got a good laugh!

Good job not taking the bait.
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 13 years ago
Hey Tantrum

Seriously, I wouldn't nor should anyone put any stock into anything you say!

However, on that note, if I ever need tips on mini vactions from HubPages, I'll be sure to come ask for your expertise.

Daytona

ps, Thanks Spider, you're not the ONLY one who thought the posts were funny!!!
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Marliza Gunterposted 13 years ago
YES WILLIAM...LIKE I SAID IN MY HUBS...I'VE BEEN TO THE MOST HIGH GOD IN THE TENTH HEAVENLY REALM...THE ONE THAT DAVID SPOKE OF THAT THE HIGHEST HEAVENS CANNOT CONTAIN HIM...HE IS HUGE..NO MASSIVE..NO..ENORMOUS...NO GIGANTIC...NO...TRUTH..HE IS ALL SPACE...THAT IS WHAT DAVID SAW..AND THAT IS WHO I SAW...WITH FIERCE EYES OF FIRE...A VOICE THAT IS SO POWERFUL THAT IT COULD DESTROY THE ENTIRE MILKY WAY WITH NO EFFORT FROM GOD WHATSOEVER...HE IS LOVE...HE IS TRUTH...HE IS SPIRIT...HE IS A HE (NOT A SHE)...HE IS POWER...PEOPLE DOWN HERE HAVE NO COOKING CLUE WITH WHO THEY DEALING WITH WHEN THEY GET ARROGANT AGAINST GOD...IF ANGERED..THEN HE IS MORE THAN A MILLION TIMES WORSE THAN THE TERROR OF SMALL, TINY LITTLE HELL ITSELF...LIKE JESUS SAID...THEY WOULD SCREAM IN TERROR FOR THE MOUNTAINS TO FALL ON THEM..JUST TO HIDE THEM FROM THE FACE OF GOD...IF A MERE MORTAL HUMAN WOULD ONLY LOVE AND OBEY GOD...THEN THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FEAR...GOD WILL BE THEIR ALLAY WITH HIS WHOLE HEART...GOD IS LOYAL AND TRUSTWORTHY...HE IS ALL THAT ANYONE COULD EVER NEED...INCLUDING SOME COMMON SENSE FOR SOME...BE BLESSED
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." ~~ Russell
  
  "The most destructive element in the human mind is fear. Fear creates aggressiveness."
  
  Fear grows in darkness; if you think there's a bogeyman around, turn on the light.~~ Thompson
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goldenpathposted 13 years ago
I take a lot of comfort and encouragement in the doctrine that He is real, tangible and as physical as any of us. It is also comforting to know that the trials we go through are not reserved just for us but for all creation. God, Himself, had to go through His own mortality and trials on His own world. We have the same here on Earth. Just as we have respect for our mortal father's trials in life we, too, should take comfort that our Eternal Father also triumphed the tests of mortality. Through that triumph He is perfected and has all authority and power through the eternal chain. Through this, science and order are protected and directed in the instigation of further creations thus renewing the plans of salvation and perfection time and time again - without end.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL What is this garbage? Is this some mormon crap?
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting. If the whole idea was discounted ignoring it would have been the best option. However, only deep seeded dislike for a faith would spawn such reaction.
  
  I take no offense but I always find it interesting the backlash reaction from people when presented with a different view. There is much that can be learned from this reaction.
  
  Thanks for the reply.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So - this is mormon crap then?
  
  Bet you are qualified to "minister" to people huh?
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Most certainly am. In fact I celebrate and express that one of the greatest freedoms and liberties we have is to exercise whatever religion we feel compelled to practice or not practice. I have as much right to express my view as you or anyone else on this platform. I should be able to without someone degrading those views. I don't reciprocate that reprehensible attitude to anyone else. I, personally, just find it illuminating that when a Mormon point of view is expressed then the cavalry comes out as a lynching party circling the prey. This is only one of the reasons my faith is strengthened. With much opposition there must be some truth in it or the opposition would not exist in the degree that it does.
  
  I support and congratulate your freedom to express your constructive thoughts on the thread topics. Doing me the courtesy to express mine without someone looping the rope around a tree branch would be most proper and civil.
  
  Either way is fine, really. My life had been threatened several times before some even put me in a hospital over my faith. I am content with my chosen path. I must say thank you, though. Because of the reaction given you have stengthened me this day and gave me new resolve to conquer my own daily trials. Thank you for helping me through the weekend.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well - as I have tried to explain before - intentionally pissing people off by loudly expressing obnoxious beliefs and provoking people into attacking you is not really something to be proud of. I am pretty sure I could provoke people into putting me in hospital if I chose to. Does not mean anything other than that I am an asshole.
  
  I know, I know - like most religions - what is most important to you is becoming a martyr.
  
  Good for you. I mean - well done. *clap* *clap*
  
  So - mormon crap then - we agree?
  
  Thanks for reminding me why I despise religionists. They always manage to push people into a corner where they feel the need to lash out. You must be very proud.
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I love you to, but remember I am expressing my freedom as you do. Words should not cause a lashing out. If the words are rediculous than take comfort in your own belief that the world at large will shun them - as they do. Also, remember, it is not my fingers making you push the keyboard.
  
  As far as becoming a martyr I would hope that each of us would have a strong enough belief in whatever we believe in, science, religion, shingles on a roof, to be willing to die for them if circumstances put you in a situation where your integrity may be at stake.
  
  To me that is the great thing about the internet. The more ideas expressed, the more options and systems there are for people to ponder and try - the better. That goes for the good and the bad. Giving the people options to choose is a good thing and is part of the design of man from the beginning.
  
  The only ones that get backed into the corner are individuals like me. Constant provoking to forsake my faith is ever present. Not submitting to that category of conflict is the key so I always seek the good point of people.
  
  Again, thanks for the exchange.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It was not me that put you in hospital.
  
  It was you.
  
  Sorry you do not understand that.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it's always about you.
  
  Of course, you can justify whatever you want and offend whoever you want cause it's all about you.
  
  And, when the offended take offense, it's still all about you being victimized.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  GP, build a round room. jeje -just teasing
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My friend, now that's an idea! I'm not an engineer but that makes the most sense. At least that way when I have struck I will only roll around the room instead of remaining in the same spot.
  
  Very good idea and also gives me a great doctrinal point to expound upon. My sincere thanks!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks GP. Hope it helps.
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll just keep turning the other cheek. What happens to me in life matters not but the nurturing and fostering of my own spirit is what matters most. Charity and kindness never faileth.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but all that reads like self-affirmation mumbo-jumbo gibberish, the ramblings of an insane egomaniac. It's great material for a psycho thriller movie, though.
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, thank you Q and I agree that would make a good movie as well. Probably a series of them though. You know, I did speak of a "chain" of authorities so each one's mortal journey could each be a film of it's own. I feel a $million$ in it for you. I would be most grateful if you'd share it with me. Tithing for my portion would do much good.
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  Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You were really doing good until you started asking for tithes. Uh Oh $$$$$$$$$$$$$$GOD$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What does the population at large consider most precious, even above family. It is money as I've seen it time and time again. So, why not ask the ultimate sacrifice of the people - a mere ten percent of their increase - for the building up of the Church on Earth. Sacrifice and the willingness to do so is part of what it's all about. It is a small similitude of His sacrifice for us and is what helps build up the Church on Earth. It goes to build meetinghouses, temples, supplies and printed curriculum for the preaching of the gospel. Sacrifice of that which we most desire in life = pathway to the Father. Makes perfect sense to me.
  
  Thanks for the exchange.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a SCAM to me. I want to give my money directly to God!
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cheaptrickposted 13 years ago
Absolutely there is a God,not the Demiurge that created this world though.
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Hokeyposted 13 years ago
The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart. [Buddha]
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I just want to hear the opinions of religionists after balancing their brain chemistry!
I am not convinced anyone could believe in any of the hundreds of versions of the sky fairy story if their brain was fully functional!
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goldenpathposted 13 years ago
Kind and Benevolent Mark Knowles,

I never said you put me in a hospital. Find and call me out on any of my comments where I have even come close to stating such. Also, without knowing the circumstances it is impossible for anyone to charge that it was I or even the tooth fairy that put me there. In every instance I was approached with absolute hatred because they found my chosen faith. Never once did a gospel doctrine seep from my mouth. It never needed to. Because of that deep conflict of heart my liberty and freedom to choose was sought to be stripped of me. In the end this, too, strengthened my resolve. When you have two opposing views and one attacks with only conflict, disgust and hatred in the heart then I am well content that my choice of peace within was correct for me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You did not read what I said.
  
  You put yourself in hospital.
  
  The fact that you chose to pretend it was some one else really has no bearing - and it certainly was not me.
  
  ou are showing Konflikt now.
  
  And pretend you are not.
  
  Lying.
  
  Like any religion - this is the basis. Lies.
  
  Sorry you do not see that.
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No need to keep pushing the envelope. I entitle no one to an explanation from me. Thanks to all and let this exchange serve as a testament of the turmoil within and what it can and does do to the relationship of man. Yet, let us continue to marvel and find peace and reconciliation in the liberty and freedom to express ideas and theologies and the pursuit to do so in peace, understanding and tolerance. It's truly and unprecedented time in history.
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goldenpathposted 13 years ago
Wow, again I was correct. Hence the cavalry! I celebrate each of your freedoms of thought expression. Enjoy.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone expressing a different view is the cavalry?
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Only when they all come out of the woodwork at once to lynch the one with an odd view of life.
  
  Thanks for the exchange.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You keep being :correct" About what?
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's no secret. As stated at the top primarily when a Mormon point of view is expressed a sudden backlash and intolerance erupts. It happens with other faiths but I have always seen it most prevalent with Latter-day Saint theology. I was correct as suddenly a few posts were presented immediately with expressions of intolerance. This is the only thing I was referring to as being "correct". It is almost a mathematical certainty that I have come to count on over the many years in the faith.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well you got it incorrect this time.
  I never considered your mormon-ness, I simply read what I considered to be nonsense and replied accordingly.
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To me it's all the same. You were still urged to take the action you did. That's fine and you are entitled to those thoughts. I just firmly believe that God as well as the Adversary have untold means to bring about their purposes.
  
  I am grateful for the exchange though. May we clasp hands in understanding on the super highway in hopes of one day doing so in person. If not, that's fine, but it's the peaceful ways of life.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Religionists have no inner peace. They have inner fear, deeply imbedded old brain fear. Then with the help of others who did the same in the past they have to have an answer to their fear of the unknown and particularly death.
When they started off worshipping the sun, it was irresistible to assume it would not come up in the morning without their help!
Nothing has changed.
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
{{ where is that fairy swatter...hmmm. Maybe the sci-phi veggie grower has it down under... }}
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mr. daydreamposted 13 years ago
Yes I believe there's a God, a Jesus Christ and a Holy Spirit (The Trinity). There's so many different religions and different perceptions of who God truly is, because no one has seen him (Our human forms wouldn't be able to within the sight of God). It's no need of getting into a big debacle over it, but I do believe there's a Heaven and a Hell (as well as a Satan) who's powerful enough to send his evil spirit into each one of God's children and an attempt to claim as many souls as he can before the end of time, in which every eye (dead or alive) will open, and every knee will bend and confess that there is a living God.

I PITY ALL ATHESIS COME JUDGMENT DAY, (LOL)
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2besureposted 13 years ago
Yes, I do. Belief in God is based on faith. We use that same faith to get on an elevator an have no doubt it will take us to the top and the same faith, to sit on a chair and have not doubt that it will hold us. Now, faith is substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is so true, Hebrews 11:1! Faith is the principle of all power as well as all action. Without it there would be nothing.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, that's not the same faith. The former is blind faith in the invisible and undetectable while the latter is faith in evidence.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
  
  Faith is evidence.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense. Do you teach this rubbish to your children? And if so - how do you expect them to be able to reason when you are teaching them this nonsense?
  
  And - tell me - how do you differentiate between faith based "evidence" and real evidence?
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How do you differentiate scientific evidence from spiritual evidence which is what is used to read tarot cards? Do you teach your children to read tarot cards?
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Simple, experimentation and observation. Huge difference.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You experiment with tarot cards? How do you justify doing readings if you have to experiment with them?
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I was referring simply to the distinction between scientific evidence and so-called spiritual evidence. One simply tests and observes.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No one is calling Tarot cards evidence.
  
  This is how one differentiates between the two.
  
  Tarot cards - an interpretation of images on pieces of paper in an attempt to understand the human psyche. Not evidence.
  
  No I do not teach them how to read Tarot cards.
  
  Now answer my question.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then, you can use your logic to justify the existence of anything conjured from the imagination. Anything.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But this is not true. It takes real evidence not an imagination.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. That is exactly the point. There is no evidence with the invisible and undetectable, that's why it is invisible and undetectable, it simply doesn't exist.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The evidence is invisible, but not undetectable. I told you before how to detect it. You refused. Of course, I believe you detected it before and refused it.
  
  Tell me why you rejected it. For real I mean.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it is undetectable. There has never been a detection of your claims to gods. Never.
  
  No, you didn't. You offered the typical fallacy to ask your god. That's a fallacy, not a solution. If you can't offer the explanation, then you have nothing to offer in the first place.
  
  My first physics teacher told me that if you can explain relativity to your grandmother, then you know you understand it yourself.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you even try what I said tyo try? What are you afraid of? Are you worried I might be right or worried that someone might think you are loony?
  
  You won't do the experiment I suggested but you merely step all over it. That is the real scientific way isn't it.
  
  By the way, science is constantly changing their facts. Each time something new shows up it changes everything. Who can really keep up with it?
  
  God never changes. He is always the same and easily found for those who seek Him. It is up to you to find out for certain. After all, it is your life and you are the one asking for evidence. I would think you would want to know beyond a shadow of a doubt. Maybe I am wrong?
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  More useless gibberish. No answers, just word salad. Why do you even bother posting, SirDent? You don't want to answer questions, you just avoid and deflect.
  
  Just admit it, you have no answers. Simple, really.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Avoid and deflect? That is mostly what you have done for the last few months. I take it by your answer that you would rather remain blind.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sirdent
  
  You don;t understand what you are really proposing. You are really asking Q to become delusional like you. Becoming delusional is no way to find an answer to anything. BTW, your God changes all the time. I hope this makes sense to you.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is not true, sir. I make every attempt to answer peoples questions.
  
  ANd, to show that I do make an effort answering questions...
  
  Here's how it works. You and I attempt to explain our ideas to one another. If we are unable to do so and must resort to telling the other person to simply go off and figure it out for themselves, we wouldn't get very far in our discussions.
  
  If we must conduct experiments to satisfy this quest, then so be it. That said, there are many experiments that have already been conducted with consistent and accurate results, so in some cases, we need not have to conduct the experiment ourselves. In my case, I actually prefer to conduct the experiment myself to observe the results and know they are correct and that the theory has empirical grounds to support it.
  
  You provided me with an experiment to conduct, which I did. It was a very simple experiment and took little effort and little time. The results were null.
  
  The thing is that the experiment you asked me to conduct is one of many similar experiments other theists have asked me to conduct. Those experiments also had null results.
  
  Just like the aether hypothesis, when it came time to run the experiment, the results were null. Lo and behold, the hypothesis failed to deliver and the assertion was discarded.
  
  So, can we move on, then?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God isnt undetectable, invisible yes undetectable no, I feel God.
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  (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Many theists will lie in order to support their delusions and will never back down from the lie no matter what you say because they know if they do back down, the foundations of their beliefs will crumble and fall.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As will many of the Atheist Faith...
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
seems in all the Hubbub, actually forget to answer the forum:

yes.

not because someone told me to or asked me to or made me.
not because a book says he exists or another says he doesn't.

I choose, by my own free will (the only moral absolute) to believe.
everything else is the Need To Know. And, not one human actually needs to know. It is like saying a pear is a pear.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Total frogdroppings! The only way to follow a god is to be indoctrinated. Otherwise sanity prevails hopefully, and the fairy does not come in to it.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  see, just shows how dull you are fairy friend.
  now, go back to sleep, your boring.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That comment says more about you than me!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  now, go back to sleep, your boring.
  That comment says more about you than me!
  
  I've got clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here i am stuck in the middle with you. now bugger off fairy friend. I think your mum is calling, eh
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes it is nice to sit back and let you do all the work!
  "Say what you will, you can but say what you are" seems appropriate.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh wait, no, i might -yes, here it is, a brownie button just for you.
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
to a point Jewels I concur.

but death is presumed as either moving 'up' to a better place or worm food.

death of consciousness is simply accepting the obvious: humans know everything they need to. It was put there, into their genetic framework, so they could and ought to live beyond it.

beyond, not as in a far away place, but in that state of being designed for them -unity with Creator/creation. Perfect.

at least that is my take on it...

ps, how are things with you?
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  Jewelsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi TOD, I'm good, you?
  
  It's very apparent that people speak different languages when referring to what consciousness is. Same could be said for what the heck God is. I find the need for a personal God quite silly. But consciousness is the basis for our own evolution, either physically or spiritually. If you want to talk spiritual evolution, that's a massive massive topic to which a myriad of perspectives exist. So it takes the ability to have tangible experiences to fathom what was unconscious and then bring it into consciousness.
  
  A good motto is "never assume anything." There are no guarantees at death, from my knowledge, whether you think you know 'god 'or not as to where you end up. Though I, based on my own experiences, know that my consciousness will be retained regardless of my organic body rotting or being burnt after death. Having had many out of body experiences I know that my consciousness is not dependent on my physical body to exist. Going upwards assumes gravity and beyond this planetary sphere I'm of the belief gravity doesn't exist. So geographical direction may take on a different measure.
  
  Transitioning to a 'nirvana' depends on ones state of consciousness, so best not be ignorant of it, but awakened to it.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  good. par le` -ing with the ned to know folk.
  your expression has some meat to it. I am going to chew on it for a bit and with any fortune, find it is (as Mike Myers said: like 'butta').
  
  ps, James. TOD is so weird...lol
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
Earnest, Cagsil, Knowles, Tantrum...am missing a few.

do this;

an actual intellectual argument with myself.

all conjecture, religion, bias aside. What do you say, eh?

the rules:
any argument must have a basic set of rules to define the parameters of said argument and a SUBSTANTIAL thesis of the points of that notion, explained thoroughly, without pre conceived ideologies or ritual systems of equation/sensation to prove ones point.

a non-theological/non-mystical approach v. atheist approach.
no scientific injection or religious injection are allowed.
straight thinking, man, yes?

i challenge any and all of you together to accept.
-let's find out how deep this rabbit hole goes, eh-
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  An intellectual argument with you?
  I am sorry, I must decline!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is no rabbit hole uh- the fact that you feel the need to cause conflict by making statement such as the one you have just made is a more eloquent argument against your beliefs than anything I could say ugh- no rabbit hole eh- delusions of a failure eh- many people who fail at everything they attempt need to pretend there is something else that is invisible that will magically give them the life they failed to achieve, uh sad really but I do appreciate the constant reminders as to why I discarded any belief in an invisible super being, ugh- most of the people claiming to believe it behave in this fashion eh-
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