Christianity doesnt make sense WHO AGREES?

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   marty1968posted 14 years ago

   Well libby101a you have planted a seed so now God can determine whether it is in good soil or a bitter hateful foundation

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   marty1968posted 14 years ago

   The bible says that any man that stands for God will face perscution from the world. You guys are just a fulfillment of yet another one of God's prophecies

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   alternate poetposted 14 years ago

   With reference to the thread the other day that asked whether entry to the forums should be regulated by a number of hubs or time here - I have changed my mind on the subject.  The number of hit and run religious posters seem to have increased beyond what is reasonable.
   
   Wading through the drivel to find interesting threads is getting tedious.  Surely these no-hub wonders are SPAMMING a religious product ?.

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   marty1968posted 14 years ago

   I noticed one of you guys said you had a bible. For you to have a bible in your possession leads me to believe that you have an interest in finding out "is there a God?"  Well i'm here to tell you that you hold Gods word in your hand and if you can have an open mind then God can do the rest

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      alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is religious spam.

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   marty1968posted 14 years ago

   Mr. alternate poet: What did you mean by your previous post?

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   libby101aposted 14 years ago

   I did not spam. I came and gave scientific evidence to the contrary of the original poster! I think both sides should be heard! I never once spammed! I was bashed is more like it.

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   marty1968posted 14 years ago

   No Sir I wasnt spamming. I just seen wher the one poster was being bashed into the ground for voicing her facts and I researched her facts and found them ro be accurate. She was treated with disrespect and hatred. I just stepped in to help even her debate

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   libby101aposted 14 years ago

   I gave another side. They were spamming me with hatred! Maybe you should keep an eye on them calling people names! I even apologized if I said anything...which i didnt... and they would not apologize for calling me names!
   
   Does this site regulate members bashing other members? I had several members bash me because I believe in God! Its ok to call other posters names?

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   marty1968posted 14 years ago

   Someone told me the other day that people have a tendency to tuck tail and run from the truth. Her point has been proven on this site.

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    I just noticed that you sort of made the premise that because a religious person posts they are pushing products? LOL???
    
    I don't have anything to sale!
    
    Just because everyone doesn't agree with the orignal poster doesnt mean they are spamming!

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    marty1968posted 14 years ago

    whoever th eite owner is, this message is for you. How can you let members bash new members as soon as they join. If this is the way members are treated then you can remove me from your membership list. I was looking for a social network.....not a bashing network

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    First of all: this post should be in the Athiest section. When I posted in here I had no idea I would be bashed by so many nonchrisitans... It's under Relion and Philosophy, Christianity the bible and Jesus, The bible: then they post a thread "Christianity doesn't make sense Who agrees? I mean, most sites insist that posts be in their correct category...
    
    Second: Nobody seems to care if someone comes in and posts their opinion and gets called names and gets bashed. but if somebody defends that person who is being called names they get called a spammer!
    
    Who regulates this site? This seems very strange to me and very one sided!
    
    Who do I report things to? This is religious persecution and I believe it is being supported by the site owner or moderators or whatever!

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    Seems to me them pushing their Athiest beliefs is being deemed ok... but if a christian defends themself from their bashing they are spamming! HELLO?? What is wrong with that picture!

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    As I said before - we are all entitled to our opinions. I do not hate you. I despise the lies that are pronounced "truth" without "proof" ... none of the scientific items you mentioned in your previous post prove without a doubt that the force that drives us is a personified being that knows all things, sees all things and will send our "souls" to Hell if we do not follow the Bible that is written by men. If you wish to use the Bible to present your opinion, you must have more than blind faith to back it up. The Bible has shown to have many inconsistencies and contradict itself MANY times over, yet it is revered as the absolute word of God.
    
    I am not looking for a way to hate you or your religion. I have already read the Bible MANY times over - how many times do I have to tell you that? All of us have! You are posting in a hot forum and yet expect complete "levelheadedness" ... there is no levelheadedness in this forum because you are pushing the issues of faith and emotion and SOMEONE is bound to get upset, regardless of which side. Religionists are infuriated into defending their faith with more book scripture and trying to prove it, and those who don't believe in the deity "God" itself (not in denial of a life force, God specifically) are going to be infuriated by the blanket condemnation that runs rampant when each one of us have been reading that very same book you claim is perfect and reveals all! It's not going to get easier or suddenly morph into all of us believing - have you any idea how much we as a whole have read and researched into this before forming these opinions? I daresay you have no idea.
    
    It is not a simple decision of "Oh they're stupid, therefore I don't care." There are reasons, and I, for one, find more truth in science and provable theorem than a book that attempts to claim knowledge in entirety of God, and attempts to define the life-force that makes up this WORLD. I have read the Bible thoroughly, cover to cover, *repeatedly* and the inconsistencies are disheartening and sickening. Not one book goes by without contradicting either itself or another book. How can the word of God be perfect and infallible if it contradicts ITSELF?
    
    You're right - you're getting slammed, but do you realize why? You are falling behind a book that contradicts itself, CANNOT prove the existence of the life force is a personified being that claims full knowledge of all things in the world, and despite your best efforts at finding meaning in the scientific conclusions you have drawn, cannot prove it to be fact instead of personal opinion and conjecture.
    
    I really do wish you the best in your future, regardless of where you decided to go spiritually. I do not wish you ill. I am attempting to get you to see that you are not providing proof and instead are providing a faith-proven proof of your own. You chose to believe it but it's not showing the empirical proof that I need to see ... the Bible itself is the reason I started wondering why Christianity contradicts itself when I was just *8* years old. An 8 year old normally believes what they are told to believe without question - I am not a normal person in that I read EVERYTHING and decipher prose to reveal hidden meanings, compare standing religion against its past doctrine and artifacts, and I find out more and more about the human psyche in the process.
    
    Sadly this leaves you and I at odds, and that is not a desireable outcome. Neither side will relent to the other and before it is all said and done in this world, many more feelings will get hurt and debates will ensue. You entered a thread where you knew both sides were being presented vehemently - those who do not believe in the entity "God" are vehement about it - we are able and willing to present our case and you cannot provide ABSOLUTE proof to support it. That does not make you a bad person, no more than it makes me a bad person. It proves what is able to be proven and does not support those things that cannot be proven. As for me, I simply do not believe that the force driving our consciousness is definable nor omnipotent and cannot be "boxed" into a deity.
    
    All religions believe they are completely and totally right and yet not all can be ... religion is NOT able to be proven and hasn't been so far. What aggravates me is that when people cannot fathom an answer to a scientific question and exploration they attribute it to "God" instead of admitting they JUST DON'T KNOW. It is not a bad thing to admit that you do not know everything and that you do not have the know-how or the tools to discover an answer - attributing the answer to a personified deity is a cop out in my opinion ... if I am wrong, I accept the fate you claim I will have. It is better for me to live my life open and responsible for my own actions and reactions than to live in fear and deference to an invisible deity that cannot be proven and to think I know everything when in reality it cannot be defined.
    
    As I said, I wish you the best in your spiritual life and your physical one.

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       aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Why not take this and write it as a hub?
       
       You can obviously write!
       
       Just cruising through this last page confirms to me that it's about time that HubPages laid down some rules to limit the access newbies may have to post on the forum.
       
       You may have read the bible many times, and I commend you for that, however, it's not really understandable unless God reveals it to you, I tried it also before I came to faith, and it was just a book.
       
       Then I came to faith and it opened up to me.
       
       I hope one day it will open up to you also.
       
       John

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       alamaxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       @SearchingForTruth,
       
       I believe the ABSOLUTE proof that you are seeking will only avail itself to you, when you become willing to receive it.  I can personally testify that such Truth is avaialble to everyone.  I can also tell you that as a Christian, I rarely rely on telling about it, because it comes froma a place that is very private, very scary, and very humbling.
       
       For me to share the details of my own supernatural experience is to invite more and more ridicule.  And, quite frankly, I am a bit put off by the fallacious nature of those who practice it.  I can only say that I do not expect anyone to believe in such things, unless they have either had similar experiences or they are led in some other way to accept the plausibility of such metaphysical forces.
       
       So, instead, I appeal to the logic in everyone, to whom I choose to bring witness.  I beleive that there are as yet unrevealed evidences available to anyone open-minded enough to allow a crack in the door.  I believe it so strongly that I will dedicate the rest of my life to the cause.  Not because I want anyone to think the way I do, I just want everyone to experience an absolute Truth. 
       
       I am a former non-believer and very logical minded.  I still struggle with many things in the Bible.  But I have learned a bit of humility in my day.  I never presume to have all the right answers.  I am fortunate to have had the experiences that have, and to have lived through them.  And I am blessed to be able to share what I hope I am learning from God.
       
       If you can entertain a fresh perspective, please check out my blog post at A Logical Christianity - Why Christianity Makes Sense.  You may find something there that appeals to your sense of logic.
       
       God bless.

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    With all due respect to you as a person - you are basically telling me that God exists - I have stated before that this which you define as God is the life force that inhabits us all, but to claim it is a deity personified with human characteristics is very assumptive. A book of stories doesn't make it so.
    
    I did not join HubPages to write hubs. I joined because of the Religion forum and to find out more about why the Bible and other religious books are followed so closely *from this particular group of people*. Writing a hub is not going to get me the answers any faster than speaking directly with other people. I am still considering the next thing I may do, creating a new thread for serious debate, or leaving the site entirely as a waste of time. The debate and proof I had hoped for is not presented, each thread has devolved into a faith-vs-proof argument for the sake of arguing.
    
    I want tangible, empirical evidence - not just *faith*. That is why I even keep responding in these forums. If I wanted more faith-based assumptions, I can turn on any gospel evangelist show and read more of the contradicting book that backs it up. I honestly do not believe anyone has the answer as of now in terms of defining what is behind life.
    
    As an aside, why should newbies to a forum be restricted in terms of what they can post? Being new to the forum does not mean I, nor any other "newbie", is stupid and undeserving of having questions answered. I do not post simple "one liners" when explaining belief - and yes I can write. It's just words. What matters is the belief behind the words. Nothing more, nothing less.

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       Troy C.posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Dear SearchingForTruth there is a lot of physical evidence that backs up events in the Bible. Lots of landmarks if you need physical proof. go look it up. aquasilver is righ, God has to reveal it to you. But the Bible says that God rewards those who are diliget in seeking him. So don't give up and pray for understanding.

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          alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No there is not.

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             hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             yes there is.
             
             lol

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    alternate poetposted 14 years ago

    The argument for restricting newbies is the flood of religious proselytising - this is a site for writers and those who use the internet for business, not a post-board for some weirdo cause.
    
    Nobody objects to a religious discussion - but we have our own regulars, who have become part of the family even though they are one sandwich short of a picnic, that we metaphorically beat to death as part of our daily fun of life.

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    Andrew0208posted 14 years ago

    @poster, Christianity which is the life of God(Spirit) in a man only makes sense to the believer not the selfish play of religion associated with it's players.
    
    Religion is the greatest disease among men. It enthrones hate, evil and 100% negative to sincere love.

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    @SearchingForTruth  ..   Well stated ..  And I agree that the bible having been translated many times through the centuries by many different people has caused diversity within the believers camp,
    
       Each and every person have been preconditioned to misunderstand the written texts, each in a different way.
    
       Before we begin reading any story that is written in the bible, our subconscious mind already knows (Thinks it knows) how the story ends thereby missing the intended message that is contained within the story.
    
       When we begin with a false premise, we end with a false conclusion.
    
       The false premise from which most ALL Christians begin, is that we can interpret away the simple message that Jesus told.
    
       If we could just take his message at face value, knowing that he was not giving us a Puzzle for us to figure out.
       Knowing that He wanted them to understand his message !!!
       
      He said that all prophesy that had been written about him would be fulfilled in THAT generation.
      Also .. "Verily I say unto "you" This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled." 
       "But no one knows the day or hour".
    
       Turning this simple message into a puzzle has totally scrambled all of scripture into one contradiction after another.
    
      This was the work of the beast that rose up out of the sea (Rev. 13). 
    
       After centuries of teaching interpretations of scripture, we no longer understand them as they were originally intended.

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    @libby101a - Please, provide me some of the information you have acquired in your times of study. Links to articles, links to anything that you have quoted or believe supports your theorem. Scientific information, not more scripture.
    
    The Bible is an account by people who lived in that time - it only makes sense that they would also account for the kings in succession and in order. It makes sense that it would account for certain happenings as they are recorded elsewhere. Not everyone in those times believed in "God" as an entity or deity, nor did they witness these "miracles", so not everyone is going to write about God, nor is everything going to be perfect. A lot of the predictions and "revelations" you say are attributed to those who heard it from God - has it not once occurred to you that maybe they were fathomed by scientists of that time who also had a mind to explain the unexplainable?
    
    I am not attempting to engage you in religious debate - I wish to see this evidence for myself.

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    Alternate Poet,
    
    It seems to me you are saying that this is for "regulars" only. I, in fact, am a writer. I have published works. I believe, if you have a forum, and it has a subject asking a question for other's views, then you are going to get "newbies" come and post their opinions! I don't believe I pushed my religion any more than those who do not believe have pushed theirs.
    
    I think that it is "one-sided" to call down someone for defending themselves yet not call down the others for doing the exact same. It doesn't matter how long someone has been here! The same rules shouuld apply to all! I have my own website and the rules apply to all, newbies and long-time members!
    
    To Searching for the Truth. I will go back and find my information and come back and give you where I found it and the ways I found it. I mean no harm to anyone as I stated in my original post...when I was bashed by a lot of people who were defending their beliefs as was I. LOL... this cracks me up. A christian defends themself and they are spamming... but "others" defend themselves and "they are long-time members" so it's ok.
    
    Double standards! Very funny!
    
    As I stated before: Peace to all!

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    I am no less open now than I was at 8 years old. At 8 you have yet to see what most consider to be pure evil, and you have yet to experience the events that would jade the majority of nonbelievers. If I wasn't shown true proof then - what's going to change now? All I've been shown is that what is considered fact has been manipulated to suit the religions and their preferences, and that each person insists on following by faith. I cannot touch faith, see it, hear it, taste it or smell it. I used to believe blindly until religion showed it's true colors. What I believe is a pure crock is the doctrine. You define life-force as God, and I don't believe in God - I believe in Life. We are essentially believing in the same binding force, but you choose to believe that this force has human personality traits, can judge you and choose either eternal peace or eternal torment for your soul ... I say that's not a correct assumption because you can't possibly know everything about life and death because you've never been there and nobody else in the history of the world has either. Once again, it all boils down to personal opinion.

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    Please take a few moments to review this and it will be invaluable in understanding why nonbelievers are upset with most condemning religionists.   http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta … nd-an.html

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    I cannot speak for others, but I will say that I have spent time away from the churches due to the misguided zeal I have seen in there, and instead chose to study the religious books independently and to compare them to each other to find the common threads and differences in each text. No religious person can give me tangible proof to the claims made in these books, nor can anyone tell me why they believe other than claiming faith. Faith in and of itself isn't bad, it's just not tangible. One person can have faith in God and the next have faith in the wind with much the same result. This is a true observation. What I don't get is how to prove that one religion is the true "way" and word of the said deity. Nobody has been able to. Churches will always exist so that mankind has something to believe in. Prove it to me if you can, that your God is real and that your religious book is the one true text and that you are right. I'm so used to hearing "But my belief is based on faith, you just have to believe" and that isn't good enough.

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       Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       One truth that I see in the bible is that Abraham, Moses, King David, Daniel, etc. and Jesus did not have a religion to guide them. 
          I'm just thinking out loud here, so I'm likely to not say exactly what I'm thinking.
       
          These prophets were kinda like a shooting star.  They passed through the skys.  They were a sign to show  them  the way. 
          But today ?  their path can no longer be seen,
       This does not mean that we can't attempt to remember that they passed through. We can attempt to understand what they were.
          I think to do so, should cause us to keep our eyes open that we may see  OUR  own shooting star.
        
          That isn't exactly right;  But I think it is kinda sorta ? ?

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    lorlie6posted 14 years ago

    Religion isn't supposed to make sense.  If you choose to believe in something, you must take the proverbial 'leap of faith.'

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    OpinionDuckposted 14 years ago

    religion is like a blanky it makes you feel good, but that is as far as it goes.
    
    Religion, created by man to control man.

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    Daewalkerposted 14 years ago

    Faulty human logic that is limited to the five senses which
    can easily be manipulated and deceived is stupid but has not
    stop mankind that hell bent on self annihilation as we
    relentlessly march forward to world war 3. Go figure!

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    johnnypennposted 14 years ago

    I'm gonna lay it out simply.
    
    There is only ONE WAY TO HEAVEN.
    And it's through God. If you don't have Jesus than you aren't saved. You cannot get into Heaven just by doing good works either. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
    
    Jesus died on the cross for a REASON.

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       jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Actually it should be modified
       
       There is only ONE WAY TO HEAVEN.
       And it's through Golden goblin. If you don't have leprechaun than you aren't saved. You cannot get into Heaven just by doing good works either. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
       
       As if you are the person who knows it well and had gone through it all and seen heaven and hell and people going in and out of these!!

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       Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Johnny,
       what exactly do you mean by this:
       
       
       James.

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          johnnypennposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I hope you are asking because you *want* to know and not just baiting me.
          
          Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of Humanity.
          Now, all you have to do is pray for Jesus to come into your heart and fill you with the holy spirit, and then you have to be ublically batised - but that's a personal matter and you have to think hard about the public baptise thing. It's fine to not be Publically Baptised until you are ready.
          
          Anyway, after you have acceted Jesus Christ into your heart, you have a place in Heaven. However, you have to obey the laws in the bible. Tithe ten percent to whatever church you go too - AND you don't have to go to church every sunday, that's a tradition. You can just sit at home and read your bible or watch church on the television, online or even listen to a podcast.
          
          When I said there is one way to Heaven, I meant that you have to accept Jesus Christ. I'm sorry, but Obama is wrong when he said there are multiple ways. There aren't. If you aren't Christian you aren't going to Heaven.
          
          DON'T HARK ON ME.
          
          This idea is the same for Islamics and Muslims. To them, if I am an infidel, I will go to Hell. So don't get pissed at me since it is the same for other religions. Savvy?

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             Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Johnny,
             I am not trying to bait folks here, more like shake them from the sciences of sensationalism & equation. I read your reply and honestly do not know if I should respond in kind.
             
             My thought is to actually reply full monte, but I believe it would very much destroy 98.6% of everything you have ever come to believe regarding the religion in question. Is this a good thing?
             That is my quandary...
             
             So for the moment, I am going to rely on my peers here on HP to advice me on this.
             
             James.

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