There is a passage of scripture that paints a touching portrait of the Lord Jesus Christ while letting us in on some of the key truths of His divinity and His humanity in essence. It shows us why we should worship and emulate Jesus in our lives.
There was never a moment in the life of Jesus when he suddenly became God. He was God before he entered this world as a little baby. And he remained God after he became man. The scripture says that He gave up his divine privileges, it does not mean that he ceased being God. He simply deity. But he never voided it. He always was, always is, and always will be God.
John 1:1-4 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him and nothing was created except through him, The Word gave life to everything that was created...
So Jesus veiled His deity without voiding it.
Another way of saying that Jesus :took the humble position of a slave' is to say that He emptied himself. This simply means that he emptied himself of the privileges of deity. he did not ever perform a miracle for his own benefit. He walked this earth as a man, not a spirit. He experienced human limitations. Jesus-God in human form-experienced being hungry. He knew sorrow. He got tired. He knew what it was like to feel loneliness. Jesus got tempted in ways even as we did and we do.For this reason, God understands everything that we go through.
Hebrews 2:17-18 Therefore it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers, and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then He could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of His people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested. Jesus experienced our experiences.
No matter what anyone thinks of Jesus now, in the end every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.The Bible says that Christ's divine nature, which he veiled at times during time on earth, will then be seen clearly visible for all to see.
how can u say jesus is a God? u have any proof? did u saw ur jesus saying 'ima God'? did u ever thaught that how cana creation can b a creator? u says he was God when he was born but who had given him this apportunity? God..which God? now listen me carefully God never wants anybody to claim him as a God..he never wants this... so how can u say jesus is son of God? u people ur self claims that God is one so hwo can jesus b second god....did God died and he give this apportunity to jesus to controll the world?..must answer me..if anybody wants..jesus was only on ly only only only PROPHET not a God, nor angel he juz came to teach us on the right way..he was not dead nor crusified..God is one nor the father of anybody nor the son of anybody and GOD is only and only ALLAH..The most loving n mercifull...Allahuakbar..
This is precisely the problem with most avid believers in Christianity and for that matter in other religions too. They won't say, those who understand and have faith in my God (=in this case, Jesus) will bow to him. They will say, with a ton of authority and arrogance that the entire humanity will bow down to their God. (Else, they will all end up in hell).
There is this saying : "More loyal than the king". These people fit into that category.
Yahshua was not God. Yahshua was divine/human and came to tell us we are too. We just have to accept it. He told us to Pray to the Father and never told us to pray to him. He came in the name of his Father..Yah..Yah Shua. He thought it not robbery to make himself EQUAL to God.
Okay don't take this the wrong way, I mean I'm not even disagreeing with you or anything, but you said in the other thread that all the gods everybody worshipped were the same god, the one true god, just under different names, and that would therefore necessarily mean the same god you worship too.
Well alot of people- i mean like a really huge lot of people- worship Jesus as their god. So in the other thread you were claiming he was the one true god just under a different name, and in this thread you're claiming he's no god at all.
I wasn't going to respond to you anymore however I will in this one. Since Christ is not God, I never once said he was. Christians also worship the only true God but they think the Father incarnated into flesh as Christ and was told to worship him in both forms and they are confused about what Christ taught.
Scripture speaks in Metaphor but some religions take it literal.
Gods can't die, can they? Isn't your god infinite? If so, then Jesus never did die, it was all a charade to fool the people into believing he died for their sins. And, since he never died, then he was never resurrected, either.
to Deane No disrespect intended, however, I thought we were not supposed to use this forum to promote religion?? Also, I'm happy that you believe what you do. But, I think of the story of Jesus as a lesson containing guidelines for good behavior. I respect the story and there are lots of good messages in both the Old and New Testament. However, there is no proof that "God" wrote the bibile, people wrote the bible. People needed some way of controlling the masses so some smart people like a Rabbi constructed a guide book for how to live. If God wrote the bible, when did this happen and who was the publisher? Did God get a copyright? I have a degree in Religion and Mytholgy from NYU and this subject is under the heading of Cultural Anthropology. Because there is no culture that is without some belief system. So who's got the real story. Is it the Islamic people? Mohamed was illiterate but he said he was inspired to spread his message to his people. Most Religious movements are political. Mohamed may have not been able to read and write but he must of been a smart. He saw his people in chaos, worshiping many gods, while the Semites were more organized and were more successful as people. Even Confucius who later became a God via the public admiration, never claimed to have had any religious experience. His take was that at the ri;omg people at Court were acting so barbaric that they needed a talking to, and so we have the Analects. He goes so far as to tell you about how to dress, behave in public, and be a good soldier, etc. Lao Tzu (Old Sage) known as the Father of Taoism (his real name was Li Erh). wrote the Tao Te Ching. Legend says that this book is about findng the Tao (Way) by non-action opposed to Confucianism that tried to regulate every movement. I could go on endlessly talking about other great teachers through history but as Paddy Chayefsky said in his novel "Altered States", "The one great truth, is there is no one great truth". I do think there was a flood because almost every culture has a story about one including the Hopi Indians. All I'm saying is that ,"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' Hamlet Act 1, scene 5, 159–167 P.S. I went through 12 years of Catholic school but I did not get brainwashed, time to think for yourself. I hope you get that I am not being mean, just truthful.
Eh he didn't mess around. These days the god is like "I'll be back... soon. And I'm bringing my daddy with me and you'll be sorry."
Zeus took care of business. He'd get tired of mankind and just ZAP! Kill 'em all and create a whole new race. They messed with him and ZAP! Killed 'em all again, started over from scratch. I mean, you know, dirt is cheap. The cookie crumbles you just make a new one. No since crying over spilled milk, and yes I know I'm mixing my metaphors, but cookies and milk go so well together.
And you know he screwed like everyone. He saw a girl he wanted he took her. Screw his wife. Openly betrayed people or the lesser gods, tricked people, slew people, he never bothered trying to justify any of it with weak excuses and pretences of righteousness.
Well I'm 'following' all three of you. I've enjoyed reading some of your hubs, cagsil. Sometimes you lean a little bit ... ummm... well, I don't want to say spiritual or mystical, but sometimes I start to get that impression that you might be heading there. You know, like when someone tears up the beliefs of a pentecostal and yer thinking 'right on' and then they announce that they're a baptist. LOL
However, I trust from what I have read from you that with further reading of your stuff I'll figure out what you're getting at and it won't be anything too weird.
I think yer the one with a very ambitious -and dare I say noble-business plan. Which sounds quite admirable. I look forward to reading more.
Thank you. I am honored and humbled, whenever someone tries to understand me. There are not many who are willing to take up that task. I'm positive, you won't be able to worry or fret, my meanings and understanding, along with everything I've experienced in my life is explained in most of my written hubs. I do have some hubs that are simply for pure enjoyment of a sexist male.
Yes, I make no big deal of being sexists. I love women. However, if I had my choice of who I would rather depend on, I'll take a bunch of women any day of the week. Most men, cannot seem to get over themselves, much less anything else.
Sexist? I hadn't noticed that so far. Eh, we'll see. I gotta turn off the laptop and get some sleep. But it's been great chatting with you guys. And a good chance to cool down, too, after the fray, so to speak. lol
Oh yeah. I fanned you or followed you or started stalking you -whatever it is they call it here- the first time I read you in a thread. A few days ago. Your intelligence is matched by your decency, and you state yourself very well.
But don't feel too special I started stalking a few other people as well.
Another Jesus has just been arrested in Equidor today, after 4000 members of a church congregation chased and cornered him in a local brothel... After he had been seen removing money from the collection plates.
Yeah I believe that. Like at first yer like wtf is wrong with these people? You know, when I first started trying to talk some sense into people. But after awhile I dunno, I just think, well two things. Like you say, they've become so dependent on their beliefs that they just can't function in the real world.
Plus you know alot of these people really build their whole lives around it, their religion is everything to them. And then they just can't admit -maybe even not to themselves- that they've been wrong. That they've dedicated their whole lives and their families' lives to a false concept.
Must be tough. I feel some compassion for them, but it just bounces off of their pride anyway.
Again, I say take everything Jesus from the OT, rip it out of the bible and put it into proper context.
Do it with some understanding of humankind's history. Jesus' story of life experiences are wrapped up in his teachings. This is what's missing from separating Jesus from religious text.
Anything before Jesus' time is a hoax. Jesus knew and told everyone. Anything after Jesus' execution is also a hoax. Simply because "Religion" stole his teachings and added his work, to their hoax, so as to perpetuate their own message, and so Jesus' message could be adapted to religious scripture, and give it creditability.
Common-sense says religion came before Jesus' birth. His teachings were NOT religious nor did he preach religion's teachings of the "GOD" concept.
He did code his teachings in religious language, so as to not be detected by the Romans, but was executed anyways, being guilty of nothing.
Sin - religion's terminology. Sinners don't actually exist.
You are right of course... we must be strong. I have a serious in session hearing with my 4 year old twin grand daughters and 5 year old super-spiderman tomorrow, so will need to be very aware. The legal minded twin Asha will have cleaned me up intellectually in about ten minutes, and I must be prepared for the onslaught from her sister as well. I am learning to do what they tell me, but I can only hop on one leg or bounce like a kangaroo for short periods. I may fail. Yes, the pressure is on in my life!
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