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   faith4moreposted 13 years ago

   Our perception and understanding of God is often based on our filters. We run Him through our filters. We then shape our reality of Him into an image. Often an image that we want or at least can understand. We essentially create our own image of God.
   
   “Filters can be our personal agendas, fears, comfort, past experiences the list goes on and on.” We often hear the voice of God through these filters. We also form an image of what we think God is like. John wrote about an encounter in the book of Revelation that overloaded all His filters and understanding of Jesus to that point.
   
   When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. 13 And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest. 14 His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow. And his eyes were like flames of fire. 15 His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves. 16 He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp two-edged sword came from his mouth. And his face was like the sun in all its brilliance.
   17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid! I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the living one. I died, but look—I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave. Revelation 2:12-18 (NLT)
   
   John walked with Jesus in the earth but had never seen Him like this before. He says he saw “someone like the Son of Man”. He did not fully recognize that it was Jesus. As you keep reading he then says “When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead.”. He was so overwhelmed with this revelation of Jesus Christ that his body could not even stand. He fell to the ground in fear. This is what I call “Jesus Overload” thus the title of my article.
   
   Jesus then makes the declaration of who He is “First and the Last” and what He did “I died, but look—I am alive”. Essentially saying John “don’t be afraid” it’s me Jesus. But I am revealing myself in a way you have never seen me. John had His filter or understanding completely overloaded.
   
   Jesus is much more than we think He is. We think we know His power. But our revelation Him is so limited. He commands the dawn. Even much greater still He holds the power of salvation. We do not fully comprehend what kind of power He wields. We do not fully understand the depravity of the contract Adam made with Satan that pulled humanity into sin. Likewise, we do not fully understand the power it took to undo the contract. The cost of the cross was much more than we will understand in this life. All through eternity we will be in awe of the price Jesus paid. To ransom a human being out of sin and the domain of darkness is power beyond description.
   
   We see God dimly. In part, due to fact we could not handle the full revelation of Jesus Christ and live. So He has us in a revealing process. But in part, because we have so many filters. I think to a large degree we like or at least are comfortable with our filters. They keep a cushion between us and God. We want intimacy with God but it can be uncomfortable when He gets to close. That does not mean we do not desire to be closer to God. But we need our walls broken down and filters removed. Removing these things will allow us to connect with God on a level we never dreamed possible.
   
   The question is do we want to see Him as He really is or as we perceive Him to be? We need the “….spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.” Paul spoke about in Ephesians 1. We need our filters overloaded to the point our hearts and minds are transformed. Transformation happens when we see Him as He is.
   
   We need “Jesus Overload”.

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      theodidaktosposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Beloved,
      May the word of God, and the peace of Christ Jesus, be with you always.
      
      Jesus is the Word of God, and the Word of God is the Spirit, of God, and we call it the Bible.
      Salvation is in the word of God.
      Check out what God tells us, <snipped link>
      He stands knocking at the door, should any man hear my voice and open the door, I wil come in to him, and he shall sup with me, and I with him.
      Amen

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      Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      sounds like a bad acid trip.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Meaningless pap. You seem to have been transformed into a mindless drone. Which seems to be what happens when you give up yourself in favor of a non-existent super being.
      
      So - thanks but no thanks. I want "Jesus Overload" like I want another hole in my head.

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   tantrumposted 13 years ago

   Like a 'Transformer ' ?
   
   
   

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      faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Good one
      
      

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   Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

   Another person who thinks Jesus is God.
   And what contract did Adam have with Satan?
   
   Ovoy!!!

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      A life long contract !
      
      A mortgage forever !

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         Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Oohh, I have one of those..

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         Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Mine is with Chase Home Finance, but it's not forever. Mine is a 30 year fixed but I only have about 20 more years. I'll be an old lady then.

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   faith4moreposted 13 years ago

   Uh oh the Jesus police are here.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I believe in YahShua's teachings, he just never taught he was God..just the opposite...

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         faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Deborah only God could undo the contract.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            First, tell me about this contract. Give scripture not a belief.
            
            Then show me where it is said that YahShua is Divine (Not his Divine Power) and where it states he is God. Please TEACH me.

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               faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               In regards to contract look at Genesis 3.  A contract is essentially an agreement.  Adam and Eve came into agreement with the Serpent and then acted on it.

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I didn't ask you for a definition of a contract. I asked for Scripture

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                     faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Read Genesis 3.  If you are looking for where they sat down at a table at a signing ceremony that was not my inference.  My inference was they came into agreement then acted on that agreement.  Thus a contract.  That agreement put them and mankind under the dominion of darkness.  The One came to undo the contract by fulfilling the requirements of the law.  Contract could only be fulfilled by one who was perfect.  God is the only perfect.  He alone could pay the price necessary to undo what was done.  Thus came Jesus.
                     
                     Don't mind the questions but please play nice.

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                        Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Because I say the truth I'm not nice?...
                        See this is what I would expect from those who believe what you do..
                        
                        And actually it was the knowledge of good and evil..and disobedience. If the voice of reason had been the thoughts obeyed everything would have been OK
                        
                        There was no contract.

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                        Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        There was no law until Moses. He didn't exist at that point.
                        
                        
                        
                        Romans 5:
                        
                        13. (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law…..

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  OK, let me explain something as it is obvious you have only read/studied the KJV of Scripture.
                  
                  The Serpent represents that part of our mind that argues with REASON.....Notice the Serpent did not tell EVE to eat the "APPLE".
                  Instead the Serpent went over what was said and went against reason.
                  
                  It's like someone says "Well, I know cigarettes are stated to cause cancer, but I'm not sure if it really does and I doubt if I do smoke that they will cause cancer in me...."
                  So they smoke...for many years..all the time saying to themselves.."I knew I wouldn't die from cigarettes". Then 30 years pass and they are diagnosed with cancer.

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                     faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Deborah
                     
                     I am not referencing what you have said even though I may disagree.  When I say "play nice".  I am speaking to fact you show a negative attitude toward anyone who does not agree with your beliefs.
                     
                     
                     Examples statements you made like "Another person who thinks Jesus is God." and
                     "See this is what I would expect from those who believe what you do.." and "OK, let me explain something as it is obvious"
                     
                     I just think these statements are laced with  negativity. At least that is how they come across to me.   My request is lets show some mutual respect to each other even if we disagree.  I have no problem with debating.  In fact I welcome it.  Someone challenging something I wrote is great.  But I would prefer if I am going to be in a conversation that I not be spoken down to our hit with subtle personal slights.
                     
                     My first response to you was sarcasm which I quickly apologized.
                     
                     I disagree with "The Serpent represents that part of our mind that argues with REASON...." in that I believe the serpent in not merely apart of our mind but is a real being.  I agree with "the Serpent went over what was said and went against reason."  Satan wages war in the mind.  His goal is to bring someone into agreement with His viewpoint. Sometimes he will appeal with part truths.  Thus the mind is a battleground.  Paul spoke about it in Romans 7.  However the consequences of this battle go much further than just mental. 
                     
                     The passages I am quoting are not from the KJV.

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      luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sarcasim is not becoming sir...you wanted opinions?

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         faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry for sarcasm.  Just having a little fun.

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            luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Ok, the article is good.

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               faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               thanks luvpassion

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   That was very beautiful faith4more.
   It's so hard to put belief into words.
   Do you ever watch or read Joyce Meier? She's funny. She says "Jesus died so I could be happy, and dammit, I'm going to be happy!"
   Overcoming Death....amazing. And that goes for us all.
   It's sad we sell ourselves so short.
   And sad we don't partake of that sweet love.
   Thanks for that well thought out and well put article.

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      faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      lovemychris thanks for the comments, .  Glad you enjoyed it.  By all means keep being happy.

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   Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

   The Bible plainly tells us in the book of John that Jesus is God.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Pleae give me scripture for this. PLEASE, I want to read it.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I told you.
         
         John 1:1:
         
         "In the beginning was the Word,  and the Word was with God,  and the Word was God.
         The same was in the beginning with God.
         All things were made by him;   and without him was not any thing made that was made."
         
         That show that Jesus is God, even the Creator.  He made all things.
         
         Leading up to, and following, these verses:
         
         John 1: 10:
         
         He was in the world,  and the world was made by him,  and the world knew him not."
         
         Again, confirming that Jesus is the Creator.
         
         John 1: 14:
         
         "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..."

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            Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Make believe. Pure delusion.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I knew you were going to use those verses...

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   And where did you get your teaching of Jesus? If you received it from the bible, then you've been misinformed as to the nature of Jesus' message.
   
   It wasn't meant to be taken literal. His work was metaphorical, which means the interpretation is screwed up.
   
   Jesus was a teacher of life. He wasn't a prophet. He was a god in many ways and in many ways he was not a god.
   
   He was a god, because he was in full control of his own life. He didn't need a god to tell him how to live, because only he could figure that out for himself.
   
   I'm going to leave it at that. I'm sure it won't be liked, but oh well.
   
   Have a great time with your topic. I'm sure the Atheists and other non-believers around here will be glad to tell you what they think.
   
   I'm not a religious person and have no religious view. I am not an atheist or non-believer.

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      faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      When John saw Jesus in the book of Revelation it blew all metaphors out the window.  Atheism is one filter.  Not believing is another.  Believing but believing wrong is another.  There are many other filters that we form opinions through. 
      
      I am not religious either.  I believe relationship trumps religion every time.  Do I believe the Bible yes.  Not because a Sunday teacher told me to believe it.  When I met the one who inspired it I knew it was true.
      
      The key for me is trying to maintain seeing God as He is not as I want Him to be.

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hmmm......?

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      Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You've amazed me with your understanding..

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   Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

   I simply fell in Love with Him when I met Him.
   
   I don't try to analyze Him so much or "connect with Him on another level" too much because it's better, IMO, to rest in His presence like a child rests in the arms of a parent.
   He is God, after all.
   When I get to Heaven, I dream of listening to His voice for eons on end and resting at His feet.....

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      faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Brenda well said.

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         Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Really? What a pointless eternity. Everyone sitting listening and singing kumba-Yah.
         
         When will believers wake up and realize that Elohim (not 'God' which is baal translated) is not a wind up toy or an everlasting story teller to call at whim, to serve your need. "God I need, god jumps"? Please.
         
         Y`shua as both spirit and man, expressly commands -not to worship Him! Nor asked people to create an eternal laundry list of 'i need this, this and this, if you please, because i serve you and love you -only to satisfy the human condition.
         
         So while you're waiting to worship at the feet of your brother, He is busy creating new life. It is going to be a long eternity on that red carpet of oooh-ahhh.

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   Rod Marsdenposted 13 years ago

   I would like to believe in God but i see the destruction of my world very much related to so-called God fearing people.
   
   I see quaint homes with backyards and small but busy specialist shops being torn down to make way for apartment blocks that bruise the sky and food malls that are only in the business of providing cheap, sugary substances but don't give a fig about feeding the mind. All this I lay to the feet of the holy. Slums are going up and up as a result of the religious. This to me is a terrible thing.

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    Rod Marsdenposted 13 years ago

    Talk about religious overload. The holy are creating the slums and there seems to be nothing the rest of us can do about it except move as far away as possible and hope to live out the rest of your life somewhere before they come and take that away too.

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    TLMinutposted 13 years ago

    It's true that God is too much IMO. How did Jesus stand being in constant communion like that?! I did it for a while, life was like being in another dimension entirely. And I AM is nothing like I'd heard but I understand because I don't think we have words, not even the concepts to cover the reality. How could someone TELL? You have to BE and that requires having the spirit flowing through you, being connected and it's Intense. Scary. Overwhelming. Amazing. Totally surprising and completely different from what I expected.

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    Paper Wolfposted 13 years ago

    Regarding the Scripture request:
    
    "I tell you the truth. Before Abraham was born I AM." John 8:58
    
    "I and the Father are one."  John 10:30
    
    But Jesus answered them, 'My Father is working still, and I am still working.' This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.  John 5:16-18
    
    "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." ( John 14:6-7)
    
    The question is, why did God make man? I believe it was a result of relationship. God is love, and the manifestation of His perfect love is His relationship with His creation. Jesus confirmed the importance of this when he summarized the Ten Commandments this way:
    
    "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself…”  Matt22:37-40
    
    Relationships are the "reflection" of love. Whether that reflection is good or not so good is a function of where we are in our relationship with God /Elohim/Yahweh.
    
    In a country that is predominantly Christian, it is important to understand that there are many who call themselves Christian, that have no clue. It is much like having a cold. You can say you have a cold, but if I don't notice that you are sneezing, have a runny nose, or appear to be "under the weather" in other words, symptoms; then how can I be sure you have a cold. From this perspective, the worst question that a Christian could hear is "Are you a Christian?"
    
    Another way I have heard it is,"If you were arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?" There should be evidence of love and that evidence reveals itself in your relationship with the Creator and your neighbors (which is everyone). If there are no symptoms, are you a Christian?
    
    Understanding this should bring understanding that those who are presenting poor relationship values and yet claiming to be Christians should cause you to question the motives of those individuals.
    
    But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. James 2:18
    
    They may not be Christians at all...
    You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. James 2:19
    
    Relationship.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Right on Paper Wolf

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I question the morality of those who believe in deities.
    A rational being does not need to create an illusionary adversary to be moral and live a good life, in fact the opposite is true.
    
    Religion is about suppression of the human condition. I believe that is why children are not safe around priests, archbishops etc, they are sexually devious to take the job in the first place.
    
    Denial of the shadow or darker aspect of self as religion does is simply a way of not being true to self.
    
    To live well and with respect for others, we need to recognise the axe murderer is within us all, the worst others can do I can do also, and that knowledge allows for consciousness and the only vigilance.
    
    In time people learn that true self love allows us to love others. We just need to learn to live with the axe murderer in ourselves so with that consciousness one can be a decent human being, not by denial of self or individual evil.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Religion can be a terrible thing. Much damage has been done by religious people in the name of religion.  There is an axe murderer in the heart of all.  However, that hideous nature can be dealt with in a relationship with God. I am anti religion but pro relationship.

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I would have to agree.  But I think Religion is a two headed beast. Good and Evil sitting side by side on the same bench.
          
             Had it not been for Religion, The possability of finding faith might have been burried long ago.
             What Satan does and intends for evil, God uses for Good.
          
             This is why it is so difficult to explain adequately

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    I do not think that there is a such thing as truth where our understanding is conserned.
       Only degrees of untruth.  We can only come closer to it.  Total truth is unatainable in this life.
    
       My thoughts anyway

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    Indeed, there was no contract.
    An agreement is NOT a contract -especially with regard to covenant.
    but that's religion for ya, the misguided guiding the misinformed.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       My statement was an inference.  Essentially at base level a contract is an agreement.  Essentially they chose to serve another Master.  There was an agreement.  You can put whatever term you want on it.
       
       Now covenant that is an interesting topic.  Covenant much more powerful than a contract.

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          Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          A covenant is a promise. The Serpent made no promise.

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             IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Would you agree that the Serpent is the devil?

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             faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Did not say he made a covenant.  I inferred a contract.  Or for the sake of not stumbling over words an agreement.

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                Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                AGAIN..Covenant is a contract..contract is a covenant. IT is ALSO an AGREEMENT
                
                FROM THE DICTIONARY.
                covenant |ˈkəvənənt|
                noun
                an agreement.
                • Law a contract drawn up by deed.
                • Law a clause in a contract.
                • Theology an agreement that brings about a relationship of commitment between God and his people.
                
                IT appears, it is not me who is stumbling over words.

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                   faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Covenant and Contract infer different things although they have similarities.  They are both agreements and you could say the definition of both fall under contractual law.  But a covenant from my perspective deals more with relationship and an agreement that is built on mutual trust.  A contract has to have no trust to be entered into.  Either one of these things could be verbal no deed needed.  But there is really no use in tripping over the formalities of legal terms.  That was not my intent in writing the article.
                   
                   Anyway you want to slice it our dice it.  There was an agreement made between Man and Satan followed by a violation of God's law.  That violation pulled humanity into a terrible place.

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                      IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      It always has.  Good point Faith4more.
                      
                      Furthermore, what is the purpose of continuously bantering about the two terms?  Clearly, neither of you will see it eye to eye. 
                      
                      It takes a big person, to finally see the argument for what it is worth..., pointless.  Neither of you will ever agree. 
                      
                      Faith I commend you on recognizing that.  It takes a bigger person, to bow out of bantering, gracefully.

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                         faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         IntimatEvolution your comments are appreciated

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    Even so. A contract between Elohim and man, seems incorrect in that He would be indebted to mankind, in some form or fashion; bound by the limited terms. What does He need from man? And how can man provide it on his own?

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Twenty One Days when I speak on contract I am referencing between Satan and man.  In reference to your statement
       
       "A contract between Elohim and man, seems incorrect in that He would be indebted to mankind, in some form or fashion; bound by the limited terms. What does He need from man? And how can man provide it on his own?"
       
       I agree there are no contracts with God. He is no ones debtor. I owed a debt that He paid.  He did not have to pay it but He chose to pay it.   The only agreement with God comes via a covenant which is offered on His terms not ours.  Covenant is something very different.  Covenant built on relationship not obligation.

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          Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Luke 1:72-73
          72, To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant
          73. The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
          
          A contract means two parties agree to do something in return for something else.
          
          covenant |ˈkəvənənt|
          noun
          an agreement.
          • Law a contract drawn up by deed.
          • Law a clause in a contract.
          • Theology an agreement that brings about a relationship of commitment between God and his people.

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             faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I think the best way to think of a covenant the way the Bible teaches it is marriage. I think this is a great reference point.  It deals more on a relational level than contractual law.  At least marriage in the context of the way it should be.  It deals more with commitment than being legally bound.  Although there are some legalities to it.  It only works out of mutual relationship and trust.
             
             But as I mentioned above I do not want to mince over words.  My article was not meant to be a technical document or even a doctrinal statement.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    which is the premise for the conversation between the seraph and humans. since that seraph is of Elohim and so is man. Neither are able to condition a contract. besides, the seraph had no way to gain. It never says to humans that it had something to offer or rules of agreement & contract -since it was not able.
    
    that seraph was a servant to humans. how can a servant offer something to its master since the master owns everything the servant has? a clever little cherub.
    
    it did however -because of its place beneath man (though created before man) assume it could be more powerful by causing mans separation from Elohim. Whereby it would take mans place -or better- ascend the highest place.
    
    so in terms of agreement, it had no terms; no handshake possible.
    it had trickery and man fell for it. But even still, better for man in the end -now knowing good/evil- can exceed the limited consciousness (presently a slave to) and become a creation of Grace.
    
    James

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    Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

    I have had a very similar experience!!!
    
    I was shopping with my wife, and as we are in the very center of capitalist and consumerism excess, a figure came up behind me; he was wearing a red vest across his chest.  His hair was white like wool, white as snow. And his eyes were like irises of blue. He held six stars in his hand.  Lone Stars, imported to California from Texas.  "BevMo is announcing all beer is on sale," he said. "20% off through Friday."   The lights from above glinted off the glass bottles like the sun in all it's brilliance.
    
    "20% off ALL BEER?  Through Friday!" I screamed and then fell at his feet as if I were dead. 
    
    He laid his hand on me and told me, "Don't worry, we have plenty, we won't run out." 
    
    I was so overwhelmed with emotion.  What if my kidneys and liver can't filter all the beer before the sale goes off?  How can I hold such an impossible amount of beer as this sale makes me feel I must?  I need a Beer Overload... like an extra bladder, maybe attached on my back, that can fill up so I can drink it all in.
    
    So, I am totally with you on this, at least in general principle if not in specifics.  Great article (could have been a hub). 
    
    <cheers>

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       LOL
       
       You remind me of Andy Capp. He has two worries. Major worries.
       
       He is first of all worried that he will run out of money before the pub closes.
       
       And secondly - that the pub will close before he runs out of money.
       
       Either would be - well - almost like a religion overload. Only worse because you don't get to do it again.............. One shot.

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          Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I have not thought about Andy Capp since I was a kid.  I totally have to find some of that.  Great pull!
          
             Yer Welcome.

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       TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       OMG LMAO. That literally made me laugh out loud...and thank God too, because today has started off crappy! I needed that, shades, thanks!

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    to answer the OP. We do not need a Jesus overload. As stated in the OP, we need:
    
    the spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
    
    our perception is our own consciousness battling for control over body & spirit. our minds are just a tool. like that tricky cherub, our minds are trying to convince us it has something better to offer when it does not, since it is a servant to the spirit & body.
    
    the spirit of wisdom is the breathe of Elohim -same breath that is our spirit.
    
    the spirit of prophecy is the Word of Elohim and Testimony of Y`shua. (spirit-body).
    
    berry berry interesting.

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    faith4moreposted 13 years ago

    Having so much fun here.  I started a few hubs around a few other articles I have written.  I am just starting to figure hubpages out kind of.  Maybe one day I will not be rated a 12 lol.  I do appreciate the comments here whether I agree or disagree.

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    IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

    Agreeing that the "Serpent" is the devil, I give you this scripture.
    
    1.  Matthew 4:8-10 Again, the Devil took Him up into a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. (9) And he said to Him, All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.
    
    The Devil makes offers to people and even made a Satanic offer to Jesus.  The proof is in this pudding.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Great observation.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    The KJV of the Bible says in Revelations chapter 1: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. This is from the prophecy Christ delivered to John.
    Alpha is the Greek A, the first letter of the Greek alphabet and Omega is the Greek O, the last letter of the Greek alphabet. If this was said it English it would be "I am A and Z" However: the words were actually "I am Aleph and Tav"
    What Christ was saying here is that in him is every letter, every word that proceeded from God's mouth. He is the fulfilling of God's law. God's law is the Word of God.
    
    Christ said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me."
    "Your righteousness is a righteousness forever and your Law is truth." (Psalm 119:142)
    No one comes to the Father without living by God's word and his word is his Law
    
    "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God" (John 1:1)
    God and the word are one.
    
    
    When Christ said he is the truth and the life in John 14:6, what he was saying is that because he fulfilled the law (words of God) we are to live as he lives. Translated, it says "The Words that proceeded from the mouth of God (Law) is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through the Law (His Words of Truth)
    
    He became God's Word in the Flesh because he lived by every word and fulfilled every Word (Law)....Not that he is God.
    
    He is the only one who never broke the law.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    This states that YahShua would have to reject the wrong and choose the right when he was young.
    This is because he was human not God. God would not have to 
    
    Isaiah 7:15-16 He had to learn to choose between right and wrong.
    
    15. "He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right." 16. "But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,  the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    This shows he made himself equal to God, he did not make himself God.
    And we are to think the same way.
    
    Phillippians 2:5
    5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    When Christ says he is one with God..He means they are in one accord.
    
    John 17:21-23
    21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
    22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
    23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
    
    
    It is kind of like this verse..
    Ephesians 5:31
    For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    Can't get any plainer than this.
    
    
    John 1:18 ( KJV )
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
    
    John 5:37..5:37.
    And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.

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    faith4moreposted 13 years ago

    Deborah none of those scriptures speak to fact Jesus was not God. Yes He was human but He was fully God.  Yes He in one sense laid down His divinity and humbled himself by coming in form of a man.  But He was and still is the creator.  Scripture has to be looked at in context of the rest of scripture. 
    
    "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God" (John 1:1)
    
    He did not become the word of God as you stated.  He was the Word and the word was God.  It does not state that He became the word it states He was the word.
    
    Phillippians 2:5
    5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    
    Speaking to His humanity.  Does not take away from His divinity.  Read scriptures before that one.  Have to stay in context
    
    3Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;
    4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
    5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in (J)Christ Jesus,
    
    Jesus humbled himself by leaving heaven coming to earth people. Told here to have that same attitude of humility.  He essentially laid His divine rights down and walked in flesh like we walked.  He chose not to be able to grasp His divinity while walking in the flesh. He put it beyond consideration.  We are told to have this same attitude.
    
    John 17:21-23
    21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
    22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
    23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
    
    Jesus and the Father are One.  Exactly they are one. 
    
    
    John 8:58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am."
    
    This says it all.  Jesus was and is the I Am.  Name God gave to Moses when he asked who He was.  Everything has to be read in context of this declaration.
    
    Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
    
    
    Hey its one thing if you do not believe this is true.  It is another if you try to disprove it with the Bible that actually declares it.  To me it it like trying to prove a car is not a car using a drivers manual.  You could take the section about seat belts and say see I told you it is not a car it is a seat belt.  But truth is it is still a car.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    faith4more
    
    Whatever...
    
    Talk about out of context.
    
    And this which you say proves it all
    :John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am."
    
    In the Hebrew and Greek it says "I say to you, Before Abraham, was I Am
    
    Meaning God/The Word..YahShua was not speaking of himself, he was speaking of God.
    The English Bibles put the comma after was instead of after Abraham which changes the whole thing.
    
    I was raised in the Christian religion and used to believe it wholeheartedly..But I didn't assume I knew all there was to know and continued to ask for "Truth" and was led out of that religion.
    I started learning Greek in eighth grade. I then learned Hebrew after marrying my Jewish husband when I was eighteen which changed my whole perception of Scripture.
    
    And your statement that this scripture proves Christ is God..
    John 17:21-23
    21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
    22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one
    23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
    
    Jesus and the Father are One.  Exactly they are one.
    
    So his people are suppose to all be the same person? Not just in one mind and one accord?
    
    21. That they all may be one;

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Jesus was speaking about himself any way you dissect it. 
       
       Just to give some context about me.  I have many close friends who are Jewish.  I lived for many years in a Jewish neighborhood in NYC.  I  I have great deal of respect and admiration for the Jewish people.  Some of my friends agree with my perspective and others do not. 
       
       It is obvious we are not going to agree about these issues.  You will not convince me and I will not convince you.  So let's shake hands and leave it at that.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    faith4more
    I don't want to convince you..I was stating fact..
    Gag at a gnat and swallow a camel.
    
    Goodbye now.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Peace Deborah

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    Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

    My God, Faith4more, how in the world could you possibly get your hubscore down to ZERO in only 2 days?  Do they start that low or something and I just forgot?

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       thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Haha jesus christ, I have never seen that before!
       
       Even the spammers dont drop below ten!
       
       (Tut Tut I spot duplicate content!)

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          faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Kind of funny.  Yes I am at 0.  I had one duplicate thing but my hubs are increasing in value while personal score goes down.  I am new so probably do not know what I am doing.  But I will learn.  My score started like at 20 I believe maybe 30 but quickly dropped.  Even before I started a hub I was at 12.  Only thing I did was start this forum.  Good news is I can only rise from here.

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    TLMinutposted 13 years ago

    QUOTE:
    John 8:58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am."
    
    That doesn't make sense anyway - ...before Abraham was born, God.
    ??? And if he said, "...I am," then it means what? I existed? In many versions it says "...before Abraham, I am," not was born. So that means what? I hold a higher position?
    
    This verse can't prove anything in English because it makes no sense translated and we don't know what it meant originally. Or if that's what was even said originally.
    
    Jesus kept insisting he WAS NOT God (Why call me good, there are none good but the Father; the Father is greater than I; only the Father knows the time, not the son...). The only was he was God was by being an open conduit his whole life for the spirit. That's why he wanted us to be one with him and I AM, so that we wouldn't always have life as messed up as it is with people being so selfish and blank-minded.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       TLMinut if you get into the original languages.  The declaration of Jesus as God are even stronger.

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          Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          That's NOT TRUE>>>

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       Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Very true............

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          faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Oh its true

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             Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Funny..I read Hebrew and Greek..it isn't true.
             Stop twisting things to make yourself right.
             
             IT IS UNTRUE.

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                Antecessorposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Lying for Jesus. LOLOL

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                   Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Actually for self exaltation  <>  To be right.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I have two hubs marked "duplicate" They are famous poems of Banjo Paterson's. So far it has not effected my profile or hub score.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       That is what is weird.  I never received a warning of duplicate content or anything. I did start a hub with this article in it.  But I deleted it to see if my score would come up.  I have made a few comments etc... on different hubs.  I guess will have to see what happens.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I feel the fact that your hubs are about your religious beliefs may not help. They are similar to all the other religious people here, and the biblical source material for that is all over the net.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       earnest you may be right.  I plan to start some other hubs.  I do a lot of equity trading in the futures markets and will be creating some hubs around trading.  Maybe diversification will help.  Thanks for the comments.  Always nice to get some help.

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       aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Wow, if that's the case, my hubscore should be in the minus figures, 'cos most all that I write (80 hubs and counting) is based in Christianity, but I guess I don't use too much scripture (nobody reads it anyway) just paraphrase and use parables....
       
       Diversification would help I guess, at least it may bring in some income!
       
       Must learn about coffee machines.....
       
       John

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    SirDentposted 13 years ago

    Jesus asked a question. Who do people say that I the son of man am?
    
    Many have heard about Jesus and some have met Him but didn't stay around. These are the ones who saw Him only as a flesh and blood man.
    
    Those who really knew Him and spent time with Him know who He really is. He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
    
    Nothing from God will come to anyone until they realize who Jesus really is.

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    Jesus isnt real.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    okay, for the um-teenth time: "Jesus" is not the issue nor the one you are to worship. Evoking a name only proves the ignorance of documented teaching. The Hebrews did that for thousands of years. It was called written Torah, Talmud, Law & Prophecy.
    
    The Word in you -by the Anointed Spirit- is the issue.
    If you think for a second the Word begin or ends in a book, you are so lost even an atheist can't find you.
    
    And I quote: "I do not call you servants, but friends and brothers."
    
    False doctrines keep you from grace.
    
    - we now return to your regularly scheduled banter -

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    FROM THE ENGLISH BIBLE:
    
    Did Yahshua make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used ?
    
    WORDS
    
    "Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His
    who sent Me." [John 7:16]
    
    "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word
    which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." [John 14:24]
    
    "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who
    sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
    
    WILL
    
    "Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent
    me, and to accomplish his work." [John 4:34]
    
    "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
    the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]
    
    "saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me;
    nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." [Luke 22:42]
    
    POWER
    
    " I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment
    is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the
    Father who sent Me." [John 5:30]
    
    "I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master,
    nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." [John 13:16]
    
    "You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you
    loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [John 14:28]
    
    "Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me,
    for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord,
    but he sent me." [ John 8:42]
    
    "To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for
    those for whom it has been prepared by my Father" [Matthew 20:23]
    
    KNOWLEDGE
    
    "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
    heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mr 13:32]
    
    "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of
    heaven, but My Father only." [Mt 24:36]
    
    "So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who
    sent me" [John 7:16]
    
    STATUS
    
    "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the
    kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." [Mt 7:21]
    
    "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of
    me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. [John 5:37]
    
    "And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good
    but God alone." [Mr 10:18]
    
    "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]
    
    Some Christians, (not all) claim that Jesus _implied_ that he was God, from the above verses, we see that Jesus denied being God, it now leaves the Christians who believe Jesus is God to provide just one single verse in the Bible where Jesus says "I am God" there is no such verse, the God of Abraham in the Old Testament stated "I am God" over 200 times, yet oddly Jesus never uttered those three words once in the Gospel, so we see from the many quotes above, that the House did not belong to Jesus, it belonged to the One who Sent him.
    
    These are not my opinions but just some of the views taken directly from the scriptutres that clearly show that Jesus and God are different they ARE NOT one and the same. (I have given references so you can check them up for yourself)
    According to the words of Jesus himself in John 17:3 God is one and only and Jesus is his messenger “that they might know THEE the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
    Jesus is the one who prayed and God is the one Jesus prayed to. This is according to Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46, 26:42-44 and Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4, 22:41 and John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15
    According to Matthew 26:39, John 5:30 and John 6:38 they have different wills so they must be distinct and separate.
    According to Mark 16:19 and Luke 22:69 Jesus sat at the right hand of God - two separate beings sitting next to each other
    Jesus was a prophet (Luke 7:16, Luke 13:33, Luke 24:19 and John 4:19) but God wasn’t.
    Jesus gave thanks to God according to Luke 10:21, John 6:11 and John 11:41-42
    According to Luke 23:46 Jesus commended his spirit to God
    Jesus said that the Father (God) is greater than him - John 14:28
    Jesus was helpless not God - John 5:19, John 5:30, John 7:28, John 8:28
    Jesus said he was not the provider (John 6:32) whereas God is
    Jesus said his words were not his (John 7:16, John 12:49, John 14:24, and John 17:14) God’s clearly are.
    Jesus said he did not come of himself (John 8:42) but God does everything of Himself
    Jesus said the Father (God) is greater than all - John 10:29
    Jesus followed commands (John 14:31 and 15:10) God doesn’t.
    Jesus said he had a god - John 20:17. God doesn’t
    Jesus was "a man approved of God." - Acts 2:22
    According to HQ 4:171 “The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.”

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       aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Good scripture Deborah, I'm looking deeply into it...
       
       John 14:6
       
       6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
       
       That's why I follow him...
       
       John

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          aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          HI Deborah, saw your earlier post on John 14:6 after writing this, but it's still why I follow Him, but like your depth of study, I can't read Greek or Hebrew.
          
          So in light of what you believe, are you practising Judaism or does Gnostic cover your faith.... does Christ get you to heaven or if not is it by your righteousness?
          
          Was Christ resurrected?
          
          Just curious.
          
          John

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             Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I am Kabbalistic. I follow the teachings of Christ. Therefore I am a Christian Kabbalist. Yes, Christ was resurrected.
             However I find the Christian religion to believe stuff not taught and most don't believe what was was taught.
             
             I am not of the Christian Religion.

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                Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                agreed. a practitioner indeed, even more a pharasitical practitioner.
                
                you know, i enjoy reading your stuff, but truth is truth:
                
                There are 12 gates in the New Jeru, but only one entrance.
                Familiar spirits are, well, familiar. Witchcraft and sorcery have their reward and it is not in the kingdom of heaven...
                
                light will not bend your way even if you bend to its way.
                
                i bid you peace. take good care.

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             Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Your question..Christ or righteousness....you are separating the two...Don't confuse works and righteousness
             Eccl. 12:13 says: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."
             
             Christ taught that
             LOVE IS THE LAW (Through FAITH)
             If we love self and others we don't: Kill, steal, etc
             Romans 13:8: "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law."
             Galatians 5:14: "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
             
             Those who keep the Law of Love (Through FAITH) are righteous.
             1 John 3:7: Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
             
             (What religion tells you that you are not and cannot be righteous? We all know who..so they lead you astray (or away from the right path)

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    Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

    And remember..the scriptures say  we were all with God before we came into existence...
    
    
    Ecclesiastes 12: 7  Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    we are righteous in His eyes.
    this was the work of salvation only through Him.
    it has been done already. repeating it only causes endless crucifixion of the One already risen.
    
    the righteousness which is by faith speaks volumes:
    
    . not of ourselves, it is a gift from Him
    . not of works, lest we puff ourselves up with self-righteousness.
    . the great glory of those before, during and after the law are the witnesses of that righteousness, so we can fully enter that place with total confidence and boldness of heart. That nothing man has ever said, done, thought, made, desired/conceived, can keep us from it. Not even the accuser (ha satan), because he too was brought to nothing.
    
    so, do we now act like cowards, lame sheep, slaves and thieves, lost and hopeless?
    what do we argue over? The same tempted, suffered, crucified, descended, risen and ascended Intercessor? Or is it the lack of  understanding of that work -the perfect law of liberty?
    
    looking back, we become a pillar of tasteless salt, slaves again to the law AND ALL ITS PARTS, looking ahead to Grace, we become the spirit of prophecy { that is the Word of Elohim and the testimony of Y`shua Moshiach } in body, thought and spirit.

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    TLMinutposted 13 years ago

    Yeshua said, "No man comes to the Father..." not "no man is allowed in to see Him". We are only drawn to the Father by way of the son, that's the method He uses to call us. That would have nothing to do with imputed righteousness, sacrifice, none of the things I've been taught to believe it means. Since the son is "the way, the truth, and the life", he is the embodiment of life with the Father.
    
    Those who met him were drawn to the Father because they saw the Almighty in him. We are to follow that same way and draw others to the Father because of the spirit in us - that's why the comforter, the holy spirit was sent after Yeshua died and rose again. How could we walk as he did, live as he did, drawing others to I AM without the same spirit that was in the Son? That's how we come to the Father "by" Jesus/Yeshua.

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    TLMinutposted 13 years ago

    As for the spirit being sent only after Yeshua died, it's not like the spirit of God wasn't anywhere on earth before that. David asked that the spirit not be taken from him. Why would Yeshua say he had to die for the comforter to come? For his lifetime, all the spirit of God/love/holiness/goodness was embodied in only him? If that were the case, the world would have disintegrated without the very 'stuff of life' throughout it.
    
    Maybe this is where the trinity business came from. (Except that it was already in other religions...)

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    faith4moreposted 13 years ago

    Yes it is, No it's not ,  Yes it is,  No it's not
    
    This is getting boring

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    TLMinutposted 13 years ago

    faith4more, you originally posted:
    They (our filters) keep a cushion between us and God. We want intimacy with God but it can be uncomfortable when He gets to close. That does not mean we do not desire to be closer to God.
    ----------------------
    Did that happen to you? Is this an intellectual understanding or did you experience it?
    
    THEN:
    We need our filters overloaded to the point our hearts and minds are transformed. Transformation happens when we see Him as He is.
    ------------------
    Pretty good, I agree that this is how it happens though I never thought of it like this. That last line - Transformation happens when we see Him as He is - wow. Yes. Up until then it's only enjoyable (or for some, frustrating) debate; after that, nothing else matters.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       TLminut I had an intellectual understanding of God.  Then I experienced Him in a reality I never thought possible.  It transformed  my life.  When I say transformed it did not just transform my belief system.  It changed me into another person.  My character changed,  hate inside me left etc...
       
       
       I think you are right we can debate around intellectual matters which is enjoyable for some and frustrating for others.  But once He is seen nothing else matters.

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    faith4moreposted 13 years ago

    Hey my personal score jumped from 0 to 65.  Somebody likes me. lol

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    Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

    brilliant.
    this is grace.
    superseding the mind and all its parallel perceptions,
    allowing total spirit/heart control which then becomes the reflection/body of perfection in Him. that the light shining literally and figuratively from our hearts, renews the mind to righteousness and our bodies reflect that light/anointing.
    
    nice to see I am not alone in this concept.

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       faith4moreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Grace is amazing.  So simple yet so hard to receive.  I like to earn my keep.  But with God I could never earn salvation.  The price is to high. 
       
       So high God Himself could only pay it.  Uh oh here we go round again.

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          Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          indeed.
          yet knowing this now, relieve yourself of that necessity and accept Grace, else the entire point is lost. You can only grieve for so long, afterward you must choose to live or die.
          Millions are still grieving the death or staring into the clouds looking for his return.
          Yet, He is in you -both the Word & Testimony- that same Spirit that was there at creation and that same Spirit that raised Him from death to the highest place. That the fullness of the Word would in fact fill all-in-all. Be bold! Be strong! Be joyful! and choose life -that you and your offspring may live- for as long as you choose to live.
          
          Cheers.

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    riaancorneliusposted 13 years ago

    I might be putting my foot in it here, but I can't believe how people would argue about certain "facts"..
    
    Everybody can find something in scripture to prove their point (Not difficult, since there are so many contradictory statements), or if they can't find something to support their view, they "interpret" something that does.
    
    People will fight (Sometimes to the death) about what exactly was meant based on one sentence in scripture that has been translated several times from a book that was originally written long after the events occurred (In some cases generations later).
    
    On top of that, some books were excluded from scripture based on some arbitrary decisions made by men... How do we know that there isn't a book written by God himself that set the record straight and told people that they should ignore the written word and use the God given free will and intelligence they have?
    
    Take Exodus 22:18 for example: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." That one verse cost anywhere between 18 000 and 9 000 000 lives (Depending on which sources you want to believe). If you were accused of being a witch, you would either burn at the stake or you would die in the tests to determine whether you were a witch. Turns out the original Hebrew actually referred to "poisoner" not witch... Oops!?
    
    Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with religion as long as it doesn't get people killed. I have even less of a problem with spirituality. I just believe that people should live their lives based on what is right or wrong, not based on what some ancient book has to say.
    
    I believe people should live the way they do because they believe it is the right way and because it makes them happy, not because they believe that some vindictive god is watching their every move and just waiting for an excuse to sentence them to eternal torture if they dare exercise the free will that he supposedly gave them. That just doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.

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