who is god?

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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
what is god according to you..you may belong to any faith or agnostic or atheist...what does it come to your mind when god word is uttered...
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  Pani Midnyte Odinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am a Wiccan. I believe there is a Goddess and a God. I believe that they are part of everyone and everything, as well as part of each other.
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  Rod Marsdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wiccans tends to see nature as having great importance and don't tend to put themselves above nature but fit in as much as it is possible with the natural world. It seems like a pretty good way to live.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  god is a word, a title.
  the expression of a god is idol selfishness.
  the Creator is not a god, He is everything.
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  danielgroothposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  now what has tea review to do with the topic , my friend??
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  danielgrooth wrote:
  God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. He is the supreme power that governs all over us. He is the creator of this universe. We must worship him.
  http://www.articlesbase.com/health-arti … 24982.html
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  now what has tea review to do with the topic , my friend??
  
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  I think your friend disppeared.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  guess he went to review tea :-)...on serious notes his views are always invited and his article base writeup is also welcomed provided it has anything to do with topic...isn't it?
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Self Promotion in forums is against the TOS whether on topic or off topic unless someone asks for a link and it relates to the discussion at hand.
  
  At least that is what I think it is.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  alright got it...i thought if this guy links something related to the forum topic it should be ok..but i guess you are right...
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  Mr Niceposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ~ God can never be a definition. He is more than even the entirety of the dictionary. ~Scarlett Bene
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A shift in responsibility and lack of accountability to the third person.
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  packerpackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Short and simple but absolutely correct!! When u don't wanna take the responsibility then leave it to someone/something called god.
  God is just a name given to ones inability; you could not do something, blame it on god, "It was god's will".
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, not WHO is god, "WHAT is god?"
  Define "it" factually!
  The bible doesn't do that in a form other than opinion.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  just in case you missed my posting:
  
  god is a word, a title.
  the expression of a god is idol selfishness.
  the Creator is not a god, He is everything.
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  Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't all definitions opinion?
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A disappointment, frankly
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Author of exaltation and perfection, the Designer and Upholder of all freedom and agency, the Tangible Perfected One who's arms we long to enter.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend pisean282311
  
  The Creator- God Allah YHWH has introduced Himself in the very first chapter of the Quran in this way:
  
  The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah الفَاتِحَة
  
  [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  [1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
  [1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
  [1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
  [1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
  [1:6] Guide us in the right path —
  [1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately the vast majority of the world's population do not believe in the Qur'an, so quoting it does not have much relevance for most of us
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend AdsenseStrategies
  
  But the OP has asked us as to how we feel about God; the verses mention about God Allah YHWH and we perceive Him like that; as soon as we perceive Him like that; we ask him the things we need most. We aks Him in the words He has taught us; and we ask Him in our own language als as do we wish. I was sharing it like the OP had desired.
  
  The OP is addressed to everybody and we could discuss about Him; all of us.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You SPAM so hard, Hawaii has changed their minds about the delicacy that was originally known as "Spam" meat.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you can tell me the true origin of the use of the word "spam" to mean unwanted mail, I'll let you off
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you stupid, just curious? Spam is a classic delicacy in Hawaii - check on war history. Dang, you people suppose to be getting smarter to me........I mean really, do I have to drink anti-freeze for you guys to seem normal and/or semi-intelligent?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eYSuPKP3Y
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic)#Origin_of_the_term
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, I made it 30 seconds into that video before realizing I'm back in Kindergarten - while talking to y'all primitive folks of lower forms of awareness. Ha-ha!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It wasn't me who brought up the term spam. I wasn't saying his remarks were spam. I was responding to his calling my remarks spam (and not angrily at that. In fact I was trying to inject a little humour into the whole dialogue -- but never mind...) I didn't even know the term spam could be used outside of email.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I apologize. I was wrong. I thought you were responding to someone else.
  Again I apologize and I deleted my remark to you.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's alright. This thread is getting bewilderingly tangled anyway
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am sincere. I feel badly I said that.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's ok. And rare for people on this forum to not only apologize, but feel badly about it as well! So thanks for that. Hopefully none of us will get banned
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, if you read what others say, you wouldn't worry about getting banned.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you are.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You've got problems; seriously......
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, the question was for all and you have as much right to express yourself as anyone.
  Those without love don't know God.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I feel bad about this. You show more love and forgiveness then anyone here.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ?????
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oooh. Eek. I don't seem to be able to stop myself responding to this, even though we just made up ...
  
  Is it that simple?
  
  Or, to add another question, Can you be loving without knowing God? (You can, really, trust me)
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This little exchange ROCKS...
  
  Really.
  
  It does.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you can be loving without knowing God.
  
  I can understand people mirroring back when people are rude to them, but I have only witnessed patience from Paarsurrey.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's very true.
  
  Glad you believe that atheists, agnostics and humanists are capable of love .
  
  Who called you a sorceress? Was it because of your belief in the Kabbalah?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes about the Kabbalah. It's because they don't know what it's all about. You know "If it's not of the Christian faith, it must be Demonic"
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now that IS dumb. But you know, Harry Potter is of the Devil, so what can you say.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That actually isn't true, Islam is the second most predominant religion in the world, second only to Christianity. Furthermore, Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions and have a lot more in common than most know. Before Islam, save for the small minority who were monotheistic, Arabic religion was polytheist. In fact the access mundi of Islam (Mecca) denied Muhammad's assertions that there is only one God, and he fled to Medina where Islam was born. In fact Islam (Muhammad's original Islam - not to be mistaken with fundamentalist Islam) is the only monotheistic religion that accepts the existence of other faiths as legitimate. Islam states that God's prophet's (Islam accepts Abraham and Jesus as legitimate prophets, though denies Christ's claim as the son of God) appear to different groups of people at different points in history to proclaim His revelations to the people who will listen. In history conquered countries under Islamic rule were permitted to continue to practice their faith, and mosques have even been lent to Christians to worship in because "it is a place of God like all others." Christians cannot claim the same, if anything Christianity is the faith spread by the sword. Islam was also way ahead of its time in rights for women. It is the most misunderstood religion in existence, and it is almost entirely due to purposeful ignorance.
  
  And in my personal opinion your response AdsenseStrategies to paarsurrey was entirely uncalled for. If you knew anything about Islam at all, you would have know the Fatihah is an extremely important proclamation of faith in Islam and as such merely answers the question posed in a manner true to paarsurrey's convinction in his religion.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It was uncalled for. That is true. On the other hand, he is not exactly shy about his opinion of atheistic skepticism (he seems to think that atheism and skepticism are identical). What he says about this point of view comes close to insulting at times. Nevertheless, I concede that this particular thread is more one asking for people's opinions.
  
  (But for the record, I do know more than nothing about Islam, as I came close to converting to Islam, and did so via much contact with Muslims from a varity of backgrounds. I know, for example, that only the Arabic version of the Qur'an is considered trustworthy. But the truth is that you enter a cyber-community taking your life in your hands, and this site in particular is full of people ready to cut religion down at the first opportunity. He knows that, and can clearly deal with it, as he has stuck around till now without a problem. Best wishes to you, either way.)
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can't argue with that . I haven't read any of his other posts, for some reason I'm just really passionate about setting the record straight about Islam even though I'm not at all a Muslim lol
  
  As an aside, I submit that any open discussion on religion is bound to go off on unnecessary tangents.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I also went through (a very long... years long) phase of defending Islam at every turn. But frankly, I'm over it. 99 percent of Muslims are perfectly normal people, law-abiding, and all the rest of it. But I strongly suspect the Qur'an is no less full of awfulness and atrocities than the Bible, even if real life Muslims, Christians, and Jews are generally sane, sensible individuals.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've read all three, the Torah, the Bible, and the Qu'ran (though grant you not in Hebrew/Arabic), and to be honest they all are more or less equivalent as far as awfulness and atrocities go. The Qu'ran is often interpreted as more violent because the message is a surrender to God contrary to the Christian God's love for His children - but in the end, no matter which religion you refer to "God save us from those who think they are doing God's work."
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you study these three collections of works of scripture, can it be said that some of the conflicts between/contradictions between narratives and such are "perspectives," not "rights or wrongs"?
  
  I'm only very familiar with one collection of works, but am working on learning how to respectfully read from works other than the Christian Bible.
  
  I'm not seeing as many differences as most people tell me there are - even just within the Christian scriptures... just different perspectives, some terminology differences. And I'm stopping at every opportunity to check on word/translation issues. Man oh man, a lot of words from other cultures cannot be sufficiently translated into English and still retain their best meaning.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I definitely concur with your view that the differences are not at all about a difference in "truth," but merely a difference in "perspective." I also agree that it is very difficult to get the true meaning of the scriptures in their translated form.
  
  I'd love to learn Chinese (Mandarin), Sanskrit, Pali, Arabic, and Hebrew one day - though that may be too ambitious lol
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. I just conceded that in the first line of the comment you are responding to here.
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Adsense, youall git back in here and finish yo supper!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I deleted that remark too...sorry.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  S'all good, we're all human
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you?
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  EDIT -> original post obsolete so....
  
  SMILE! lol
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never said he was less of a person either.
  Also I have apologized to him for it. I can admit when I am wrong. It was all a mistake on my part. .
  
  What does what I said have to do with you calling someone out. Do you feel I took your lead? To be honest until you replied to me, I hadn't read anything you said.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had thought that your comment was in response to what I wrote in response to AdsenseStrategies, not to what AdsenseStrategies wrote. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
  
  I should have pressed "this" -> with so many cascading posts, it is really hard to keep track of who is talking to whom!
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be so timid...
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol, I deleted it only because the post I responded to had been deleted so my post no longer made any sense
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've thrown a few insults in my time, believe me. I suspect more shall follow in the days ahead. Probably not deserved, usually. But I must say that most people who hang around here know what they might be letting themselves in for.
  
  Doing it senselessly, though, where it has no bearing on a point you are trying to make, is simply out of the bounds of the etiquette of debate, if you ask me (just imo, y'know). And certainly stalking people is dangerous... for the one doing the stalking. Sending people emails behind the scenes comes dangerously close to criminal behaviour...
  
  And I've always considered Hub comments off limits. I think that's also how most other people around here operate also.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As a response to the side note you added in brackets as an edit... I apologize that I assumed you didn't know anything about Islam.
  
  It is actually quite common for people to convert to Islam, Muhammad's Islam is quite a peaceful religion with a very accepting message. Unfortunately, these days the Islam in many places is far from what it was meant to be.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't bring myself to believe in God as such in the end. This proved a bit of a problem...
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you seem to be... You have no answers as usual, but what's new?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How lame...
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" - Socrates
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I must be very wise on some days then because....
  
  and those are the days I should be more quiet, I suppose lol
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha... some of the best conversation to be had, can often be ones where no words are spoken
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  *nodding*
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol, yes that would
  
  I personally find myself wanting to, but having a difficult time making that step where I am 100% convicted to a belief in God. I don't think I'll ever get there. I'm Buddhist by religion, agnostic by faith -> I don't know, and will never know the answer. I don't think humans have the capacity to understand it anyways.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  I understand that Buddha also believed in the Creator- God Allah YHWH; so you are with him to that extent.
  
  i love Jesus, Moses, Krishna and Buddha; the truthful Messengers Prophets of the creator.
  
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  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody knows what Buddha believed in respect to God, whenever he was asked he avoided the question. What or who God is or was, was never important to Buddha, and though he never wrote anything down himself, when his descendants did, nothing was mentioned about what Buddha thought the place for God is or whether there is one at all. It is widely accepted the the Buddha was agnostic.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  Widely accepted does not have to be necessarity correct. Is it?
  
  See Jesus he said he was Son of Man; and the Christian carved a god out of him; a very weak god indeed!
  
  I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not, but then you have just refuted your own argument. We are all entitled to believe whatever we want, but since Buddha never said anything about God, we can't claim to know with certainty what he believed.
  
  I don't understand the relevance of your Jesus reference; however, I would like to add that many Muslims tired to elevate Muhammad to the status of a god. The difference between him and Jesus, is Muhammad denied the claim, and Jesus confirmed it. But in the end the people of both faiths attempted the same thing.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  While I appreciate your tolerant and charitable views; I do believe that Buddha was a Messenger and Prophet of the Creator - God Allah YHWH.
  
  May be you like to read the following link to understand my viewpoint:
  
  http://www.alislam.org/library/books/re … ion_2.html
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is the most naive piece of writing I have ever read on Buddhism, it is nothing more than propaganda.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I certainly had a crack at Buddhism too. I am still mulling that one over. But either way, Buddhism is more of a practice to me than a religion. I'm never going to believe some of the things they believe about the cosmos, no matter what.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It all depends on how you choose to define the word religion I suppose. For me something does not have to presuppose the existence of a creator to be a religion. Buddhism has a "Beyond," but never mentions any belief for or against a creator God.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...Probably because you mull in your own madness of limitations...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To be honest, religious belief in the sense of believing Islam, or Buddhism or whatever, seems irrelevant to me. I mean, for one thing, they all share the same moral principle of doing good to others, and this is shared by most agnostics and atheists, secular humanists, and so on, also (I presume).
  
  So that'll do for me. Plus, following that is much more practical. I am not sure that debating theology ever helped a single child out of poverty...
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can certainly agree to this.
  
  However, if for anything else your own personal interest, you might be interested in the difference between Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism, the former though far more socially oriented actually believes Buddha to have been a God. The later does not, but is in nature quite self serving.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Adsense Strategies,
  
  For what length of time did you spend immersed in this other religion? It must have been hard on you if you spent any significant length of time learning traditions that you later felt you could not accept.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've actually personally done the same thing, explored the various religions - what they meant to others, and what they could mean to me. In fact, I've written a paper on my religious exploration. I think I will post it as a hub.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'd be interested to read this if you do decide to make it into a hub.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have ... http://hubpages.com/hub/My-Religious-Exploration
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Adsense Strategies, I am also curious to know the same thing mythbuster asks - what other religious have you explored?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Islam wasn't a problem for me actually. I found that Muslims were marvellously tolerant and moderate, and their religion extremely simple to believe in...
  
  ... My biggest problems came through a five year experience with evangelical Christians. The Muslims I knew never once suggested I push myself, change my behaviour, or feel bad about my natural impulses... their attitude was that God would guide me into the right path in due course...
  
  ...Among the evangelicals there was much more pressure of various kinds, and I am not sure I ever really recovered...
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I too have experienced the same adversity in an evangelical setting; however, I have also had one positive experience in an evangelical prayer and worship group that a friend belonged to.
  
  I understand where you are coming form when you say that though. Fundamentalism in anything, not just religion, never usually turns out well.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What would you suggest as readings for those looking to learn about the Muslim beliefs?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mmm, I really wouldn't say I am a good one to ask frankly, but my inclination is to suggest seeing if you can get the email address, phone number, whatever, of a decent Religious Studies professor at a university. They all have websites these days, so you could find one. I figure that might be a good bet... to get advice on what to read from someone like that. They are (a) supposed to be objective (hopefully, if that is possible) and (b) supposed to have spent years studying the subject
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks! Will do...
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously I haven't met every religious professor out there, but my The Study of Religion professor Dr. M.D. Bryant was quite good, and approached the comparative study of religion with the most humility I have encountered to date. He is also the director of the Centre for Dialogue and Spirituality in the World's Religions at the University of Waterloo.
  
  http://cdswr.uwaterloo.ca/Director.html
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A wonderful place to start is a book by Huston Smith titled The World's Religions. It was one of the textbooks for my The Study of Religion course, and is the most thorough, and unbiased piece of work on religion that I have ever read where all the major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity) are discussed on equal footing. It also has a short chapter on the primal religions of the archaic world.
  
  The Qu'ran is very difficult to read to gain an understanding of Islam because unlike the Bible which is believed to have been man writing on behalf of God with His inspiration, the Qu'ran is believed to be God writing through Muhammad in as literal a sense as you can interpret that. The Bible is more revelatory, where the Qu'ran is more proclamatory (a word I've just created lol)- which makes it a very confusing read. It took me a year, and several tens of attempts through it, to grasp it the best I ever will be able to obtain - and that is definitely not 100%.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for this info. I'll have to dig out my old texts from a couple of years ago until I can find the book you mentioned.
  
  I have the Mary Pat Fisher "Living Religions" text and the Fisher/Bailey Anthology volume to go with that but I know these texts are made to try to put a lot of different religions in between book covers just to give a general concept of each religion. For more elaborate explanations, I'll try to find the book you've suggested.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Addy,
  Hope i am not treading hard ground, but it seems you experienced the pendulum shift: one extreme aggressive (evangelic) the other extreme passive (islamic). Oddly if you go the course of Buddhism or Judaism, you might find yourself -metaphorically or literally- between a rock and a hard place...
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that was pretty well said, even if I am too dumb to understand it. As religious threads go, this is one thought provoking place! and from the OP I never would have expected it. because . . . who can know what or who something is that doesn't exist except in people's "faithful" minds? and people call ME stupid!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My critique has always been the titleship or human expression of the Ism, in relating/not relating to Creator is useless, selfish, morbid, stereotypical, and unwise (lacking pure philo) to say the least. People giving up or giving in because it did/did not satisfied their Need To Know.
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so, um, basically, you are NOT a believer?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  in what?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am a steadfast believer in Creator, not The Ism (science/religion). Having studied the duality (and now Quality) for half a lifetime. The only thing it expresses is its limitation -individually or united. Human consciousness and the awareness within have completely distorted and disconnected them from Reality [ Purity, Grace ].
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like this clarification. Thx for posting.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you . I just finished writing today the final exam for my The Study of Religions course; I was excited at the opportunity to share what I learned.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  I appreciate and thank you for your above good post.
  
  Regards
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My Wonderful Counsellor
  
  My Teacher, Reminder, Revealer
  
  My Healer, My Strengthener
  
  Repairer, Refiner
  
  My Jesus, My Saviour
  
  My wonderful God
  
  Forerunner and Finisher
  
  My Conqueror, Deliverer, Restorer
  
  My Hammer, My Fire
  
  Uniter, Redeemer
  
  My Jesus, My Saviour
  
  My wonderful God
  
  Creator, Defender
  
  My Maker, Instructor, Commander
  
  My Warrior, My Shelter
  
  My Helper, My Leader
  
  My Jesus, My Saviour
  
  My wonderful God
  
  My Shepherd, My Gatherer
  
  Refresher, Rewarder, Protector
  
  Inspirer, Provider
  
  My Portion, Forever
  
  My Jesus, My Saviour
  
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My faith lays at the intersection point of Mahayana Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism. I believe in a creator, but not as a parent figure as in Christianity or a dominating figure as in Islam. I believe the only thing that separates us from the "creator" is maya (illusion). In that sense I believe that our "soul" and God are the same thing. All souls are part of the same ultimate reality. There is only one goal and that is nibbana, liberation from the cycle of birth, death and rebirth. We cannot take ownership to the bodies, once the body dies our soul moves on to either complete reintegration with the Tao or returns to a world (not necessarily this one) if it has “unfinished business” to attend to. If one dies with any hint of desire left they will be reborn to satisfy it. If one however passes on unattached to the materialism in this world, to the experience of pleasure and pain as separate entities they achieve nibbana, there is no reason for their return in a physical body. It is through maya, illusion, that our bodies are connected to our minds. It is because of maya that our minds are constricted to the laws of nature in this world. Our lives are a cosmic show put on by God. Because of maya it is necessary for us to experience pleasure and pain, to be restricted to these laws of nature. If we did not, it would be like going to see a movie in which nothing happens. Illusion is important for the soul to grow, to experience. Reintegration with the Tao would be instantaneous at the conception of the Self if God had not surrounded it with maya.
  
  To summarize I believe in one transcendental consciousness that has always existed without beginning or end, that we are a part of. We are unaware of this ultimate self because of illusion. So long as we remain attached to worldly pleasures our soul's return in a new body until we no longer have material needs to fulfill. At this point our soul's have full matured, and so they reintegrate into the transcendental consciousness.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate that you've made your "tradition"/perspective known here and that you've made efforts to qualify your statements with "I believe that," and similar personal ownership of your beliefs - instead of declaring "this is right" and "this is wrong" and "God says" or "this is the way it is."
  
  I can understand the statements of others who hold other beliefs than I do, and also respect those beliefs when they're put forth in this way.
  
  Thx.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm of the opinion that homo sapiens lack the mental capacity to truly comprehend human nature, and the human condition. I believe that we do not presently know the answer, and in our present state cannot know it. Not that I claim that we never will. We may. We may also be the cause of our own extinction or we may evolve a new mental capacity different than the one prevailing.
  
  My beliefs are constantly evolving, but never will I claim to have the answer. And if I do not know that I am right, I may be wrong. And if I may be wrong, who am I to say someone else is wrong.
  
  4^2 = 16, but only in base 10
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wanted to add to this that I make no assertions about what that transcendental consciousness is and whether it is aware of its own existence. Where I am today, I believe it to be some form of energy that is unaware of its own existence, and that self awareness is the result of the reality in which we exist. Also, when I assert that I believe in a "creator" I am not making the assertion that it is aware that it has created anything. I do not believe in a theistic creator.
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  acts38-39posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who is God? The Bible says in Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God
  created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2 The earth was without
  form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the
  Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. God is a Spirit.
  And in John 4:24 says God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must
  worship in spirit and truth.
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  britneydavidsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We can assume God as per our beliefs and what our ancestors told us and whatever we have read in book but real answer knows by God only and he himself come to earth by any medium and give his real indentity that he is supreme of all --father of all religion and one God --he is incorporeal!
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  eh...do u want me to start again
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend britneydavidson
  
  You mean Creator- God Allah YHWH; you obviously cannot mean Jesus as he never created anything; everything remained as before like in the time of Moses.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Andrew0208posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @poster, God is a Spirit. Who is God to you?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Andrew0208
  
  God is not a spirit; all spirits are His creation. God is only attributive; He is known from the manifestation of his attributes.
  
  There is no God but the Creator- God Allah YHWH; the reason as also the Revelation confirms it:
  
  [3:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  [3:2] Alif Lam Mim.
  [3:3] Allah is He beside Whom there is no God, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining.
  [3:4] He has sent down to thee the Book containing the truth and fulfilling that which precedes it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel
  [3:5] Before this, as a guidance to the people; and He has sent down the Discrimination. Surely, those who deny the Signs of Allah shall have a severe punishment. And Allah is Mighty, Possessor of the power to requite.
  [3:6] Surely, nothing in the earth or in the heaven is hidden from Allah.
  [3:7] He it is Who fashions you in the wombs as He wills; there is no God but He, the Mighty, the Wise.
  [3:8] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book; in it there are verses that are decisive in meaning — they are the basis of the Book — and there are others that are susceptible of different interpretations. But those in whose hearts is perversity pursue such thereof as are susceptible of different interpretations, seeking discord and seeking wrong interpretation of it. And none knows its right interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, ‘We believe in it; the whole is from our Lord.’ — And none heed except those gifted with understanding. —
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=3
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Somebody did ask God that same question.
  He answerd;"I AM (you fill in anything that ya want to! that is what I am)"
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  nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He created our beautiful earth and the beauty in it. He created our breathe taking beautiful days. Churches,. The list goes on. I personally believe in God and his son Jesus. He did for us. Jesus died on the cross for us. Forgave the people who put him on the cross. Its sad there people who do not believe in God and Jesus. After he died for them.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's a lot sadder that people don't believe in the invisible pink unicorn living in my basement, it saved all of mankind from a global catastrophe and no one even noticed.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know! See it all the time! A total lack of appreciation in my view!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God
  
  Who is god?
  He, she and it is god. God is, has, was, will.
  
  Where is god?
  Everywhere is god, nowhere is god.
  
  What sort of a thing is god?
  Everything is god.
  God is love, god is the light.
  
  When does god come?
  When the madness stops, when death becomes.
  
  How do I see god?
  With your eyes closed and with your eyes open.
  
  What have I to do with god?
  You are his creation, you are a part of him.
  
  When do I see, meet god?
  Whenever you really decide to,
  When you want nothing.
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  nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Correction.. God is a he. God made Adam in his image. Its also insulting that God and his son gets mocked so much. He died
  for us. With all jokes aside. He made our beautiful world.
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  JulesGeromeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is Everything. I believe in God. No Christian,Muslim or Jewish God. Just God.
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skyfireposted 13 years ago
Imaginary entity which can modify (space, time, matter) in a such way that it's existence is under question and religion/religious people making wild wet claims without even knowing contradiction to their claims.

My personal agnostic opinion(feel free to disagree), if such entity exist then that entity gives rats a** to what it creates and destroys. It just entertains itself by creating, maintaining and destroying.No emotions, no complete-intelligence and no ignorance.That entity has no control over universe as it formed when universe expanded so even that entity is short of answers related to universe.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its too intelligent , try to understand n entity which can make, preserve and destroy galaxies.Man doesn't posses the intelligence to understand God in Totality,God is all the brains,intelligence in the entire universe put together
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If god is all that mohit, and the bible or quoran are his word, why is he depicted as a psychopathic, neurotic, childish, arrogant, jealous, bone stupid contradictory entity that is, on top of that invisible?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Quran and Bible are too threating and I dont believe Muhammad was instrumental for such stuff but was added later on by fundamentalist to propagate their religion.
  I agree with you on this, its sad actually the description of god gets totally screwed.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  Quran mentions everything on its proper occasion; please mentione the text of the verse with the context where it is not appropriate. Quran mentions the claims and the reasons; a pecularity which does not exist in other revealed books.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its too threatening so much of the Quran is just threats.
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Suspect20posted 13 years ago
I was raised by a mother who wanted to expose me to the faith she had, but never tried to force anything on me. I consider myself lucky in this regard, because there are a lot of kids who are force fed a certain set of ideals and never allowed to think for themselves, or even be told of the existence of other popular beliefs.

I don't judge or think any singular faith has all the answers, and I am always open to new ideas and ways of looking at things. The only problem I have, or take offense to, are those who limit the information their children have access to, and instead try to force their own ideas rather than granting them the free choice and exposure to all views that they themselves had.

Personally I think it is naieve and close minded for any one faith to assume they have all the answers. A higher power, order to the universe, God, or Gods, have been around as long as recorded history. To say "you all had it wrong, this one view is right, and any variation of it can not even be considered" seems almost impossible to be accurate as far as I'm concerned.

I am very open to the idea of a "god" or designer behind our universe. I don't personally feel the need to put a name to this force or say it must fall within a certain set of ideals. I am not sure if that makes me an atheist, agnostic, or other. I consider myself spiritual, I think there is a guiding force, but not religious; I don't follow a set of stone etched principles.
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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
interesting answers...
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
My Boregard is god. He is a basset hound. Dog spelled in reverse . . .
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luvpassionposted 13 years ago
Who is God? A question unanswered by theologians and religion. Who is God to you? A question of faith.
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Rishy Richposted 13 years ago
Ask me 1 million years later...
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you leave a forwarding address when you exit the uhhhh you know? When you pass on... so we can contact you?
  
  j/k
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You'll be there soon enough, so why should you care?
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TLMinutposted 13 years ago
Fine, 21, we see it but there's nothing to hold onto in that post. Yes, "god" is a title. But what are you trying to convey with that second line? That anyone expressing an idea of God is creating an idol? That anything God expresses is selfishness or somehow idolatry? I can't make any sense of your words. Clarify?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi TLMinut,
  the use of the term G/god implies B/baal which there is much in there to discuss. The use of that term dilutes the fullness of Creator, since He is universe and more.
  
  I would say yes, the second form implies idolatry, in any measure or use of the term. Since it is easy to apply to anything which humans adapt to, latch onto or worship in one respect or another as a crutch, handicap,prosthetic -mind or body- to support their personal ideology or perspective -which by all points is an idol. The use of the word G/god in script suggests men requiring a title to understand who 'I AM' is, in order to adapt Him to their mode of thinking or need v. being one in Creator.
  
  Take for example the Hebrew list of Names/Expressions for Him.
  For each instance of their necessity, formed a name/expression to suit it.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, they all suck off the same straw...
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From what tradition does this explanation come from?
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sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago
He is our Heavenly Father, our creator and the creator of our universe. He is also the father of our Savior, Jesus Christ. This was clearly stated by Jesus when he said,"The only way to the Father is through me."
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice book quotes; cool man. Hell, it would not hurt to come up with something original, at times...ya know?
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cupid51posted 13 years ago
I really don't know. I have seen the same discussion in the forum. But ultimately there was no answer. Has anybody the right answer of this question?
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TLMinutposted 13 years ago
But that leaves one with only the option of never talking about (...) at all. Perhaps it can be argued that (...) is to be experienced and shown but people need to talk. As long as I 'disconnect' myself, I can discuss, argue, consider; other than that, there are no words.

This may be why no images were allowed to the Israelites, nothing but dissension comes from it. Just like the Jesus is God and what did he look like arguments.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I concur.
  
  The rule not to make any image (very key word) of any likeness of any thing above, below, between -not only in regard to creatures- but also Creator supports this.
  
  Division comes, religion stems, etc. from idols.
  I once told someone an idol (not necessarily as statue) puts a shadow between He and humans -when at one time He walked with humans. The total connection between C/c. Very different from the world view of Him from either side of the yea/nay.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This nonsense is the root of the problem.
  
  a Give him a name - as you have just done and make him a Person - as you have just done - and you make religion and cause division.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good of you to join us, Mark, I was just thinking of you.
  Btw, that post does not suggest me offering up a title as a person, since your minds eye appears to project that. Division is the Ism (included but not limited to) theology, science, Haight Ashbury, Mickey Mouse, Kahlil Gibran, The Minnesota Twins, Scotch Tape and even the mighty "Imagine" theory.
  
  I do appreciate the compliment, as always.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  Sure - calling Him Him does not suggest that at all....;.
  
  Dear me. Defend the ISM that ISNT!
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! Ha-ha!
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
This is one of my arguments about the NTK (need to know) aka consciousness, if you accept the adamic inception; suggests a two-minded entity, divided against himself, now completely at a lose from his original stasis with Creator. The spiral down not only put a huge wedge between them but caused eons of damage to himself and others. That image was an idol. Knowledge the idol.
Without 'thinking about it' at one point, humans were in perfect totality with Him, lacking nothing.
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Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago
The word God is used to outwardly express the Brightness beyond any brightness of which we can conceive. God is used in representing the Unmanifested, the Unknowable and the Absolute.

God is the macrocosm. The physical manifestation of God is the entire universe composed of planets, solar systems, galaxies and outer space. This is the macrocosm.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  indeed. Anything beyond the word of his power is unknown, i agree. As the universe alone was framed by the words of his mouth.
  The rest of is beyond any human consideration.
  
  well said.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, Deb; praise be the "hall monitor."
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Gee, if only your closed mind could actually grasp what I said.
  Are you lumping me with the Christians? Because your choice of the word "praise" isn't used by me.
  
  Please explain to me what I said and what I meant....go ahead.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Forget it ! LOL
  He's only a child trying to sound smart !
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum is a moron, trying to assume my intellect and apparently, my age! I could run circles around your mentally challenged self, and you know that! LOL! Poor thang, ya! Go ahead and report me, but "HELLO HUBPAGES" follow the 'before & after'... Deb is notorious for her behavior, and Tantrum is just plain stupid!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I find you're too funny to report. I will miss the laughs !!
  
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're just plain weak. Anyway, I have my reasons, as I stated below:
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Well I think I will report you then, as you're so willing !
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you that shallow? I'll be back, ya know...
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm only trying to lower myself to your level !
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OH you add
  'I will be back you know '
  
  I'm so scared !
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My behavior? You mean when I am attacked and I give it back?
  
  You get angry enough at Tantrum to call her a moron and stupid..but when people say I am a sorceress and I have demons, that I'm a moron and many other names, I can't fight back? How fair is your thinking?
  
  Are you saying you are too precious and don't have to take it but I do?
  
  Wow what a strange and unfair way of thinking.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have my reasons, as stated below:
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But you don't feel I had reasons?
  That's because it was me. What would you care about how someone treats me...
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not true; I would never report you - fact!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't speaking of reporting.
  I am saying...that you think I have bad behavior because I talk back when people insult me on purpose..yet look how you spoke to Tantrum and how angry you were just because you were insulted.
  
  Did you ever see me use words like that against people?
  No..
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've never reported you. NEVER...
  
  If you said something rude to me and someone else reported you that's not my fault.
  
  It is not always the person you were speaking to that does the reporting.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You'll ban me anyway, so go fu*k yourself!!! I'm not like you, but if I was, I'd hope HubPages looks at all of your stupid, moronic, asinine, erroneous posts of utter dino-dung that represented your forum history of asininity! ......How lame & weak, to say the least!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow brutal and yet you said something about "My Behavior"
  
  Everyone indicated I should take insults, threats and name calling from others..yet the people saying these things were acting the same way but in extreme.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did this... I am part of "Everyone" from some recent postings.
  
  Let me think on this Deborah Sexton.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  You're too funny !
  I'm still waiting for more of your funny comments on my hubs !!
  
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh shit, you got hubs?
  If I get pissed, I'll come see ya hubs. But, you'll probably be like some of the other lame asses and delete my comments because you are too chicken shit to reply; I've even had that from so-called "staff members" and even from some so-called "Hub Elite Folks" before. People just don't run from me for no reason, it's just that many of y'all challenged "peeps" are a bunch of fluffy wussies....
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your comment is there, on my hub. And some people have been laughing at it just like me !
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Must be an imposter; what hub?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know perfectly well where it is. No impostor. Only you. Maybe you have mental problems ? Don't know what you're doing ?
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you can also suck on my 9 inches as well!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  easy mate. its fine to vent it, just be above the deluge when you do, eh.
  
  As my friends across the pond say: no bint is worth a stint.
  na mean?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So short ?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And yet again..you commented on my "BAD BEHAVIOR" You even said I am notorious for bad behavior.
  
  However this is the norm for people..they excuse themselves in their every action and put others down for theirs.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just looked at ALL your hubs; I've never commented on anything of yours; that's for sure!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  57 minutes ago
  Obscurely Diverse posted this comment to the hub Broken Brakes - 11
  
  From your hubtivity.
  I'm sure now you remember !
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You still don't remember ?
  how strange !
  
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh fu*k! I didn't count that one 'cause I was pissed; blow my thick 9'er meat! ---Need pics?
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  fluffy wussies who say peep peep peeps! hahaha! I guess I don't resemble a fluffy wussie, but then, maybe I would like to be a fluffy wussie - hmmmmmmm (pondering fluffy in juxtaposition to wussie)
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please, we have enough asininity at hand...
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this is your favorite word? asinine, asininity? get out your stupid thesaurus now and then, would you please?
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, you have banned me before; but not this time, Deb - Tantrum can do that!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you insist on calling me Deb? Only my family and friends can use nicknames with me. My name is Deborah..
  
  When did I get you banned? Hubpages told you this?
  If so, please send me a copy of the email.
  
  I would appreciate it.
  
  I wanted you to tell me of your understanding of what I said. You indicated you disagreed (not in those words)
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  HubPages sent me a copy; yes they did!
  In fact, I think your husband reported me!
  I call you Deb, but I'm only being casual; nothing more.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, maybe. He didn't say anything about it to me.
  He is protective.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is very possible...
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, here is the copy:
  
  You were banned from the HubPages forums for a period of 7 days for the personal attack in this post:
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/38190#post893180
  
  These are the rules: http://hubpages.com/help/forum_rules
  
  On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Obscurely Diverse (via HubPages) <email@hubpages.com> wrote:
  
  I would like to know 'exactly' why I'm "not allowed to post" comments in your forums. I totally understand the circumstance of something we like to call a debate, but I have not "attacked" anyone, but yet, I seem to not be allowed to post comments anymore.
  
  I'm not easily duped, and I did recently call someone out (and they admitted that I was right) that was merely using HubPages as a reason to exploit the forums to merely take up for their wife! This particular "individual" also stated that they had no interest in writing hubs, but was sure to stir up trouble in the forums, hence the reason me and probably a few others got banned. I find it interesting, that shortly after, while debunking this oddity of forum madness, that I, in return, got banned in the process!
  
  I haven't officially recieved an e-mail yet, but it clearly states that I'm not allowed to post in the forums - after I send a message.
  
  I'm not trying to sound condescending, but it is not right for some lame, un-educated individual to have the right to ban/report/flag someone just because they are intimidated by my quick wits or useful knowledge.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I really like HubPages! See, that's my problem; if I didn't, I wouldn't care. I'm telling ya, it is not fair for these "unqualified" individuals to have this much say in who "attacks" who. A forum equals a debate that isn't always politically correct, but many of the ones who argue against others...actually become fans later - trust me, it has happened.
  
  My presence in the forums is as needed as the questions I answer, the hubs I write, et cetera. Just like most others, we "all" take part in this wonderful community @ HubPages, and I really think the forum rules need to bend a little further.
  
  If all else, please prove why I should be banned or "what" I actually so-called "attacked" because without me knowing, I'll just make the same mistake again, and again.
  
  I really don't think I did anything wrong and I simply want to know what it is, that a person has to abide by, just to be able to even speak freely on HubPages' forums, nowadays?
  
  Thanks in advance,
  
  O.D.
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putukaryaposted 13 years ago
God is intangible ... but we believe it ... because with trust, we hope that our life is filled with love and kindness
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TLMinutposted 13 years ago
@ 21:

Knowledge the idol? What was prohibited was the knowledge of good and evil. Not the knowledge of anything, but the fact that both existed. Of course, that opens everything up again.

This wordless communion is likely what led to the bible and other holy books being written. People experienced (...) and then, shocked, asked themselves, "Now what? Wow! So then...now what?!"
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the knowledge of good/evil is only the indulgence of consciousness.
  Which -as evident today- is idolatry. A shadow cast between humans and (...).
  At one point, human thought was complete, lacking no necessary information. the mind doing -like any tool/machine, without effort. The limitation came with human indulgence of those thoughts, making him a divided being, a slave to those thoughts and slowly removing unity from (...).
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At one point? Hell, I still spit divine knowledge without ever having to think or ponder, nor do I have to dig for information. I'm aware, bro! I'm totally tapped into the universal grid of insanity, and I'm down with the G-funk!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Morning?! OD.
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Praise be, 21! Or better yet, cheers; I'm about to make a beer run...
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TLMinutposted 13 years ago
Saying "God" and apparently "Ism" and other such words are what's required to have a discussion at all. Saying "Him" is merely what we do in English due to tradition and necessity. "He, She, It" are our only pronoun choices, what else should one do?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. Do. Not think, just do. This -i believe firmly- is faith.
  I believe humans once 'did' v 'think' and as a result were outside of any form of 'sin', judgment, etc. (e.i. child like faith).
  
  It is the knowledge -divine or not- that makes us aware of good/bad.
  So, outside of our consciousness of question/answer parallel we are in the full stasis of Free Will/Grace.
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aguasilverposted 13 years ago
God is what's left when you have run out of all other options.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Desperation and fear. Wonderful. Can't understand something? No answer? Feel lonely? God dunnit.......
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually Mark I was referring to the fact that God is always with us and always will be, we simply run from Him until we run out of our own selfish ideas and belief in our own superiority.
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awareposted 13 years ago
a grand idea and hope
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awareposted 13 years ago
smiles a mile wide to see kim back. mabey there is a god after all.
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andromidaposted 13 years ago
My friend mohitsharma knows HIM very well.where are you mohit
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Around andromida, watching
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qwarkposted 13 years ago
Whenever I ask what this god thing is, I get nothing but opinion and guesses.
Believe me, if any believer in here could answer that question, locically and factually, they would, just to get us to stop asking that question...but they can't.
sooooo...I will stop asking because the answer doesn't exist in any form other than opinion and conjecture.
My opinion of those who guide their lives based soley upon guess, opinion and hope are suffering a level of psychosis!
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend qwark
  
  May be I could help you. Please tell me exactly; what is your question.
  
  Please keep in mind; the Creator-God Allah YHWH is neither a physical being nor a spirit; all physical things and spirits have been created by Him.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Science is no different, it is merely an illusion that it is verifiable when all it rests on is a foundation of assumptions.
  
  Science will also never be able to answer the metaphysical questions that human's will always strive to find an answer for.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Many believers love to diss science but usually know little about it. I see you follow that same agenda.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in both God and Science. The two can't be separated.
  I believe in Creationism and Evolution.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Deborah Sexton
  
  I am of the same opinion.
  
  Yes, there is no contradiction in Religion revealed by God and the science as both are from the same source.
  
  Creation via Revolution is correct.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Mulim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have a bachelor and master degree in Aerospace Engineering with a specialization in thermodynamics and aerodynamics, and will be pursuing a PhD in Cognitive Psychology in September - I am very much involved in the scientific community, and fully believe in the scientific method. But I am not so pompous to insist that science is concrete, it isn't Every true scientist recognizes the assumptions upon which they base their hypothesis. I
  
  And for the record, as far as being a believer goes - I am spiritual but not religious. I am very much interested in the psychology of religion, and understanding with epoche why, and what others believe, but I am not a theist. As far as a creator goes, I am agnostic. I do not assert to know whether there is or is not one.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I find this a very reasonable position. It's not my exact position but I'm thinking about the value of these concepts.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know, to be honest with you I am open to the possibility of absolutely anything because we really can't know either way. I am not so naive to insist I have all the answers, I don't. All I have is what feels right to me right now, and that may not be the same as what it was yesterday or what it will be tomorrow. The only thing in life that we can truly count on is change.
  
  It is the lack of humility, and the equally fundamentalist atheists and theists that are constantly banging heads with one another that really make it difficult to not become pessimistic about humanity. You make a nearly neutral statement on here and some hot head drops by and labels you as a heretic non-believer, or a psychotic theist and it really just makes me feel sad for those people.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Looking for clarification:
  
  So, you're saying that if a new piece of knowledge/evidence arrives, you're willing to adopt concepts if they displace your current thinking on these matters? Thus - you are still attaining knowledge/understanding of overall beliefs?
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Always... "the unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates
  
  Socrates is the figurehead in history whom I admire most.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I lost an argument/debate set with a respected scholar, author and educator (in the humanities and social justice) who visited to speak at my school a couple of years ago... 3 rounds - I only won 1 round.
  
  I lost the main argument, overall then he shook my hand and called me "Socrates." LOL I won 1 side-round...but shall be poisoned for my efforts?
  
  I joked in that manner to the scholar but he said something like, 'yes but not only that...your ideas will live on.'
  
  We were discussing solutions on the topic of poverty and oppression - so I hope that if I am poisoned, my ideas go forward first haha.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha, that's a very interesting story, thank you for sharing
  
  And yes, it'd be nice to live in a world where poverty and oppression had been eradicated BEFORE being poisoned lol
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, the scholar taught me eradication of poverty is aside from the issue and should not be attempted...
  
  Poverty has a purpose in society - it is oppression that doesn't belong... I believe what is meant by this is that "resolve oppression issues and you are left with reasonable poverty."
  
  I have taken on this concept - it's from one of the debates I lost...but I see the value in it now.
  
  "Reasonable Poverty" shows people where the resources are lacking...then can be acted upon - it's an 'indicator' but in most places of the world, we've allowed poverty to be a consistently present 'state of being.'
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand that position, and am inclined to agree with it, but I don't think I know enough about economics just yet to decide what reasonable poverty means.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Poverty/oppression is what I use my studies for.
  
  Reasonable poverty is poverty that is from natural, sometimes unavoidable natural events... not from man's oppression.
  
  The study of oppression comes in to play for me all the time tho' - in consideration of religion, politics, everything, so it's been a very useful topic of study.
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Haske:
  I respect the work you have done to have gained the degrees you own.
  I hope you get your Doctorate.
  I finished a Masters in Clinical Psychology and another in Educational Guidance and Counseling.
  I was headed for a Doctorate in psychology when we had a baby boy and I had to go to work...:-)
  I am of the opinion, yes, that that there is a level of "psychosis" i.e. "...mental illness marked by loss of or greatly lessened ability to test whether what one is thinking and feeling about the real world is really true." involved in the fanaticism and bigotry exhibited by "fundamentalist" believers in this monotheistic god thing.
  I'd like to see your reason why I am not correct.
  Pls, respectfully, there is no necessity to feel sorry for me...:-)
  Thanks..:-)
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you up until the word monotheistic. I think that the psychosis is true of any fundamentalist in anything, not necessarily just religion - though it does appear to be amplified in religion because they (atheists and theists alike) have a lot more to lose if they are wrong.
  
  May I ask what you do for a living? I had considered clinical psychology to the extent that I have a huge interest in personality disorders, and the present difficulties that exist in treating them - that of course is a topic for another forum though lol
  
  Once your child is old enough to not require as much of your attention, have you considered going back to do your PhD?
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Haske:
  Thanks for responding!
  I'm retired now.
  I retired as a "Warden" in a small correctional facility in Fla.
  My son is now on his own and I have no intention of pursuing my studies except as it "informally" continues.
  The only reason I mentioned "monotheism" is because the premise of this forum question, refers to it.
  Oh yes indeed, "fundamentalists" in many other facets of life also fit the bill in ref to "psychosis."
  Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
  Keep those studies goin'! :-)
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lack of humility? Or lack of critical thinking?
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I really think they go hand in hand. You cannot effectively think critically if you have no humility because you otherwise just spend your time searching for that which proves your hypothesis and ignoring that which does not.
  
  In fact, the scientific method accounts for this itself. The whole intent is to disprove your hypothesis, and if you cannot, then until you can, it is the truth as we know it. But that doesn't mean that truth can't ever change.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And this can also be applied to spiritual/religious teachings? Or not?
  
  Scientific method in examining the texts of certain religions, I mean.
  
  I always have to brush up on the methods I use for reading religious based text.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As far as using the scientific method to analyze religion I believe that you can, but I also believe that this is nearly impossible for most people to do without any attachment to a particular outcome.
  
  As far as studying a faith not your own, I'll quote my professor Dr. M.D. Bryant from The Study of Religion course that I just completed"
  
  "Pages 11-16-- Methods and Procedures:
  -Open ended questions—allows the person a chance to get all thoughts
  -treat religions and world views historically and sympathetically
  -polymethodic: employ many different methods.
  -make thematic comparisons that illuminate the particular traditions
  
  A fundamental disposition: structured empathy, feeling into the life and belief of our own tradition and the tradition of others.
  
  Learn to walk in another’s moccasins
  Aim at understanding above all else and before all else before explanation
  Humility-taking the time to understand
  Empathy towards one’s own and others’ tradition
  Avoid reducing religion to something else
  Learn different ways of approaching religion
  --Investigation and research, acknowledging the work of others
  --Flexibility of spirit and a fullness of imagination
  --Seeing religion as a meeting place of human and divine spirits
  --Playfulness and a capacity to enjoy while being challenged. "
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, then your instructor and the professor I've had seem to be of the same sort of openness with varied religions and traditions.
  
  When I was in courses, my prof made several minimal-immersion experiences possible. I was able to participate in the holy day ceremonies or weekend worship gatherings, sup with, and learn from 3 or 4 different religions and was invited back at every place, at any time in the near or far future.
  
  I cannot read the statements in, say, newspapers about certain faiths and terrorists without shuddering now... because I've experienced just a small bit of time with people in their peace space - in a few different traditions.
  
  The political activities going on have little, so little to do with common people.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh very much so, there is a massive division between laity religion, and political religion -> and it is unfortunately the laity that get caught in the middle and suffer for it.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  You are a very learned person; I admit.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is a great deal that I do not know, but thank you
  
  I respect your conviction in your faith.
  
  Christie
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I find that hard to believe based on your posts, but the internet does allow the anonymity for anyone to make any claim about themselves.
  
  What's the difference?
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My full name is Christie Rose Marie HASKEll, and below is my degree. The quality isn't the greatest because I had to take it with my webcam as my camera doesn't work. I've uploaded it to my facebook page, which if you are really that dense, add me (Christie Haskell), and that will be enough to verify my identify by the 385 people that agree I am the Christie Haskell with the B.Eng in Aerospace Engineering. Would you like me to send you my thesis too? I can do that. Or how about some letters of reference from Bombardier Aerosapce or CAE, the two aerospace companies that I have worked for. I could also forward my offer letter from the University of Waterloo for the PhD program in Cognitive Psychology. How about my transcripts... oh, better yet, how about my letter from Mensa, verifying my score of an IQ of 161 on their entrance exam. I could go on, shall I? I hate going on about myself like that, and I generally have tolerance for people - but insult my intelligence, and it is f* on!
  
  I do not believe in a creator God, nor do I believe in an individual, immortal soul. What I do believe is that there exists something greater than ourselves.
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  U sure do read a lot, but...
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the Holy Vedas the oldest spiritual text means science, which was founded by the sage and saints.Many great scientists believed in a higher intelligence or god so lets leave science out of this.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your opinion?
  Who asked for your opinion. The thread was about God, not how you feel about those who believe.
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you so defensive to everybody; and you are supposedly enlightened ------ ha-ha!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And you're supposed to be so obscure ! Maybe that's why you can find your mind !
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Look who is talking; I feel I need to proofread your crap; you can't type worth a shit!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  this gets better and better !
  
  I'm not talking about your performance, which is very poor
  
  I'm talking about your sloppiness and lack of wit, which makes me laugh the more every time
  
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Deborah:
  ...and my question was: what is this god thing?
  You provide me with a "logical" response, and I may give you another "opinion."...lol..but you can't!
  Silly answers from "believers" is what makes my opinions of "them" even more meaningful. :-)
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Same to you; you have to have proof for everything; just like the "nutritional facts" on your Cereal Boxes that you seem to be so fu*king concerned about! Simply pathetic, if ya ask me...
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing more pathetic that someone so obscurely diverse !
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  Obscurely Diverseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You wish, ya little wench!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You sound just like Bad Company !
  I thought he was dead !
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  some things never die! sigh.
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TLMinutposted 13 years ago
Obscure, has something awful happened today? Are you okay?
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
Somebody mentioned So Crates? woot!

Now back to The Ism.
It shows that both sides of the coin: religion v science; romantic v classic; sensation v equation are the same.

Not surprising, the few who rest on the side of that coin -quality- are just rolling back and forth on their sarcastic laurels waiting to see which side the coin falls so they can laugh and say, "Gotcha!"

I'm with OD's statement: limited by your own thinking/consciousness.
Certainly none of the Faux Tres Priori is any sort of pure Philo, which makes this all the more ironic and pitiful.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Quran says Islam is not a new religion but reiterates and earlier religions.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  Yes, Quran says Islam is not a new religion. It is revival of the religions which have lost the true teachings of their founders who recieved Word of revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH. All lasting teachings of Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus etc, could be found from their pristine source in Quran. God Allah YHWH is All-Wise; hence the teachings revealed on the above mentioned must contain the claims and the reasons on the ethical, moral and spiritual issues and needs of the humans; but their followers lost these qualities in the teachings they have. Quran revives and restores these qualities in it, in a very systematic, easy and natural manner understandable by the common and the genius alike.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago
Wow, look at the rules...Do you know how many of my threads and the threads of others have been hijacked . People admit to and laugh about hijacking threads.
Well, now I know what to do when someone does this.....

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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This last one is interesting, given what's been going on of late
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is someone I think is doing this. I am 99.9% sure. The two identities actually take up for each other and comment to each other.
  
  Do you also suspect this in others?
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TLMinutposted 13 years ago
crmhaske, I second the vote for Huston Smith's book, I read it a few years ago. Changed my views on a few things after reading about the different beliefs of the world.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Two votes for the same text... k, it's on my reading list now. Thx both of you.
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
Seems to me that someone needs to know the biggest troublemaker he'll probably ever have to deal with watches himself shave his face in the mirror every morning.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He's only a child ! Poor thing !
  Hi Charlie !
  Don't get into problems with such a baby !
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  ralwusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Am I worried? A demitasse would fit his head like a sombrero.
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Putz Ballardposted 13 years ago
ralwus that'd be me
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
who is god?

Hi friends

The Christians have been wrongly lead by the clever Paul astray from the path of Jesus who was a Jew and believed in ONE-God with no son of god or god in flesh concepts.

Quran repudiates these mislead concept of Paul and the Church in a very short chapter, as follows:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 112: Al-Ikhlas الإخلاص

[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … php?ch=112

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Rod Marsdenposted 13 years ago
A girlfriend of mine once suggested a four letter word for God. The word? LOVE.

At the time I thought she was on to something. There are still moments like when I am in the Blue mountains or I am on a fishing trip up the north coast of NSW and there's all that rugged natural beauty I reckon that four letter word must be spot on.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
crmhaske
crmhaske wrote:

Of course not, but then you have just refuted your own argument. We are all entitled to believe whatever we want, but since Buddha never said anything about God, we can't claim to know with certainty what he believed.

I don't understand the relevance of your Jesus reference; however, I would like to add that many Muslims tired to elevate Muhammad to the status of a god. The difference between him and Jesus, is Muhammad denied the claim, and Jesus confirmed it. But in the end the people of both faiths attempted the same thing.

crmhaske wrote:

That is the most naive piece of writing I have ever read on Buddhism, it is nothing more than propaganda.

Paarsurrey says:

Perhaps there is some mistake; the above are both your posts.

If you want to say about one of my posts; the last on of your remarks; the please tell me; so that I may explain further.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The first part of the first response was in response to your assertion that Buddha believed in Allah, which there is absolutely not proof of.
  
  "Of course not, but then you have just refuted your own argument. We are all entitled to believe whatever we want, but since Buddha never said anything about God, we can't claim to know with certainty what he believed."
  
  The second part of the first response was in response to my confusion over the irrelevancy of a Jesus sentiment you gave, it had no place in what were were talking about, but I responded to it anyways:
  
  "I don't understand the relevance of your Jesus reference; however, I would like to add that many Muslims tired to elevate Muhammad to the status of a god. The difference between him and Jesus, is Muhammad denied the claim, and Jesus confirmed it. But in the end the people of both faiths attempted the same thing."
  
  And the second response was in response to a link you gave me explaining Buddhism, and it was a very factually incorrect analysis and hence:
  
  "That is the most naive piece of writing I have ever read on Buddhism, it is nothing more than propaganda."
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  Rod Marsdenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Refuted my own argument paasurrey? Not likely. I simply put forward a girlfriend's definition. Like I said some days LOVE as a definition of God works out okay. On other days maybe not so okay.
  
  Certainly the way Christians have seen Jesus has changed over time.
  
  There are some who see early Christianity as a death cult with the end of the world nigh.
  
  Then you have social manipulation where it is okay to be a European peasant and the bottom of the heap on earth because if you are good you will do very well in heaven after you die.
  
  Then you have the crusades were warriors went into battle waving the red cross about and doing all sorts of terrible things in the name of Jesus. As far as I know Jesus preferred peace and goodwill to violence.
  
  Then you have Victorian morality where the poor are to blame for their lot because they are low in the eyes of God.
  
  Nowadays a lot of Christians go back to the peaceful and loving Jesus idea. Some even want to do something good about the environment and are even keen on taking responsibility for their own actions.
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mythbusterposted 13 years ago
I do not believe of "God" as having "choosen" a nation of people to suppress and another to "save," and I believe that these notions are inconsistent with many traditions in Christianity or one-god based traditions...

If there are errors in translation and text... or political motivations in scriptures/texts, it is my belief that they enter into verses which deem certain nations worthy and others not worthy of God's love...

There are proofs in Scriptures of political changes and when these appear, often a new set of laws or commandments also follows - and closeby, some indicator of 'choosen' and 'punishable' nations...

This is inconsistent with almost all other concepts of the one-god, in my opinion.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was unable to reply to this, because it couldn't cascade further so I'll reply to this here:
  
  "Poverty/oppression is what I use my studies for.
  
  Reasonable poverty is poverty that is from natural, sometimes unavoidable natural events... not from man's oppression.
  
  The study of oppression comes in to play for me all the time tho' - in consideration of religion, politics, everything, so it's been a very useful topic of study."
  
  This is all very interesting, I'd like to learn more on this topic. Do you have any suggestions on where I could start?
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In learning about oppression, I studied the words of Marx, paying close attention to translation keywords - looking up the German equivalents for anything that was difficult for me as a concept. Finding out the other-language terminology was extremely important...
  
  The writings of Brazilian, Paulo Freire, will give you a really excellent understanding of Marx, and of how oppression is marked in Marx by oppression overturning their oppressors to become the oppressors...that's the downfall of what Marx understood (he kept describing revolution - which is more oppression and is no liberation at all)...but Freire sees a way to facilitate liberation in a very unique way which I am working on myself...
  
  It is that the oppressed must liberate themselves WITHOUT turning on their oppressors...or else what we have is revolution and the Marxist sort of liberation-with-oppression-to-follow.
  
  Something like that... Freire's 3 best chapters are at the marx .org site online.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And what I'm finding is that what Friere explains as methods for liberation is relevant to participating in religion, family, school, government, society, etc...
  
  Understanding when oppression is happening - then taking appropriate action to remove it is necessary everywhere. It's definitely a set of concepts that requires critical thinking in its participants tho'...
  
  It's actually a tiring method of going about the world at first but I'm working slowly on things...
  
  And harm none?
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is absolutely impossible to harm none unless you live on a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but even then, the fish you eat might have been fish that someone else no longer has the opportunity to catch and consume. That is the problem with being a social creature. Everything we do affects someone, somewhere.
  
  That's also the problem with critical thinking, I sometimes think myself around in circles haha
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The aim is to harm none, though, right?
  
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To the best of our abilities! I made a comment on another forum about karma yesterday, and think it applies here as well:
  
  Everything that we say or do, we speak or act into creation. From that point forward we are responsible for the ways in which our creation changes reality. However, in that regard we are perpetually in the path of the creations of others. One should never think, "what will happen when this gets back to me," but "how will this affect those in the path of my creation."
  
  It is like a boomerang, do not aim at others, and think first of who may be in its path before you throw.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, goodness! Now don't be giving me boomerangs now! lol
  
  Point taken tho'...
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha, I've never actually been able to successfully throw a boomerang that didn't "return" half a football field away from me
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Until I read the second paragraph I thought, "but Marx was an oppressor like the rest of them" lol
  
  That is really interesting, I will definitely look into Freire.
  
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, Marx wasn't an oppressor "like the rest of them." His works need be read very carefully...
  
  He was very much without hope - his works aren't positive and happy - but he is simply describing the breadth and depth of oppression in society...
  
  He is often read as "Marx says to start revolution" where really, he was warning "These conditions lead to revolution."
  
  His manifesto - simply offers no solutions - but people have read it to be a "how to start a revolution" guidebook...
  
  Certainly other oppressive political leaders read Marx this way, too - which has added to the misinterpretation...
  
  Marx is BANG ON in his warnings...I wish people would read his works critically. His words are still relevant...the current systems in power in society (these aren't just gov't - they are SOCIETY members, you, me, the neighbor)...are liberating BY OPPRESSION, so no liberation is occurring anywhere...
  
  Find the oppression in the last "Fighting For Freedom" campaign, "War on Drugs"....there isn't the concept of "liberation" in our heads anymore...but we can make changes.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll admit I haven't read The Manifesto entirety (I got through about a quarter of it and then had to stop for school work, and then lost the book), and my only exposure to Marxism is an extreme Marxist friend of mine who believes that religion needs to be entirely eradicated, and that is what Marx wanted. From him I gathered the impression that Marxism included oppression of the religious.
  
  I will read the Manifesto and come back to you; however, I can agree that there is no real liberation going on in the world right now.
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your "Marxist" friend may be finding some text which supports his viewpoint...but (the translation was SO IMPORTANT on Marx main points) Marx may have been SUGGESTING that religion was on its way out and that religious effects in politics cause a lot of damage...again, I'm not sure Marx was suggesting a new plan should be under way to eliminate religions in society.
  
  As well, Marx uses some bad arguments... people pass over those quite often. He has limited experience in certain things (also, he hadn't "walked in anyone else's shoes" enough to understand poor people tho' he spoke on their behalf).
  
  His being poor and unstable from moving around - his exile on many occasions... meant he wasn't a rich guy - but he was an elite, for sure. He was a very good observer, in my opinion, but made a few erroneous explanations based on what he saw. Hence, he could see no solutions to what he thought was impending revolution and collapse of certain things in society.
  
  Mind you - this is in my experience of examining Marx's writings...with close supervision and discourse with professors and student peers.
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I definitely agree that religion is a private experience and should have nothing to do with politics, but I was really set back when my friend insisted religion should be destroyed altogether.
  
  I will read the Manifesto, and perhaps post a hub on my response to it, I have three weeks until the start of the summer semester to read for pleasure
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds good! Perhaps I should do another read-through, too! I won't be participating in a summer semester, so I can add it to my reading list (again).
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure religion and politics aren't sometimes inseparable but I do think that each needs to be understood better. It is awful when one is displayed as the other, anyway...
  
  I don't think - if there is a God - that God or G-d or the gods and godesses ever intended for use to continually mix 'things for religious purposes and effect' into 'things for political purposes and effect' until almost nobody is sure of what stands for what.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Hi friend crmhaske

I don't understand your comments; are the stupas fake or the writings on them are not truthful or the translation has not been done correctly?

Please elaborate.

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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At the link you posted the interpretation is very misled, and gathering that it was presented on an Islamic faith website more than likely with an agenda - which is propaganda, not research.
  
  If you want a real understanding of what Buddhism is and what Buddha believed you need to seek it out in reputable locations. Material from a religious institution not of the religion you wish to understand is not reputable. Persons of a different faith is different, people of different faiths can understand other religions, institutions on the other hand will always have an agenda.
  
  Buddha did not believe in a personal God, that much is known for sure. Allah is a personal God, and so by extension, Buddha did not believe in Allah. No where, in any Buddhist text that is accepted to be from the Buddha himself, is there any mention of God. As far as Buddhist reverence to him as a God, the entire Theravada division of Buddhism does NOT see him as a God, but as a mere spiritual guide. Those that to revere him as a God began to do so after he died, that was not Buddha's chocie, he had no control over that.
  
  Buddha also believed that the human self has no soul in the sense that it is not a separate entity as in dualism, and it does not remain a separate identify forever.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
who is god?

Contrary to Genesis 2:2

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made: and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/01002.htm

God Allah YHWH does not get tired; so he needs no rest. This seems to be only an opinion of the scribe added in the Bible.

Quran presents the Creator who never gets tired for a moment and needs no rest:

[2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=253

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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Saying he rested just means he ended the work of his creation. It doesn't mean he was tired.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Deborah Sexton
  
  Sorry, I don't get it; if rest meant ended; then there were many other suitable words to express that phenomenon like ended, finished, completed, accomplished.
  
  Quran has corrected this mistake of the Bible in many a verse; I quote from one such place:
  
  [50:38] Therein, verily, is a reminder for him who has a heart, or who gives ear, and is attentive.
  [50:39] And verily, We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six periods, and no weariness touched Us.
  [50:40] So bear with patience what they say, and glorify thy Lord with His praise, before the rising of the sun and before its setting;
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=33
  
  Quran has rectified the mistake of the Bible and its own sytle. Those who think that Quran has copied from previous Revelations should think on this.Quran rectifies in most friendly way and does not copy. Like relativity; it is difficult to understand but i think in essence Bible is only the remnant of the original Word (though it came earlier) which has been again revealed one Muhammad.
  
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because rest has more than one meaning like many words in the English language.
  
  A common phrase in English "lay to rest" means to end something.
  
  So it can mean to stop temporarily or to cease doing something to store energy, but it can also simply mean to stop.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then the person who wrote that..had read Genesis and was disputing it. There is only one God and is called different names in different tongues.
  
  At the end of a day in court. They say "The Court Rests" meaning they are done.
  
  Rest means many things. However it appears that the writer is looking at a word that was interpreted as "Rest", as the word rest is not a Hebrew/Aramaic word.
  
  Rest can mean to be at peace or motionless.
  To put only one meaning onto a word that means many things..is to not consider the complete meaning.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  The question is; what was the original word in the original revelation? If it is not there; why should one insist to interpret it differently?
  
  The court court could rest; they are human beings; not YHWH.
  
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  parrsurrey,
  
  the text below is from your first link and I have questions about the text/words, if you don't mind.
  
  Latin Vulgate Bible, Genesis 2:
  6 But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. 7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
  
  11 The name of the one is Phison: that is it which compasseth all the land of Hevilath, where gold groweth.
  
  parrsurrey - are there different words in your culture for "spring," "earth" "surface" "slime" "breathed" "breath" and "soul" ? If so, could you post or email these alternate words and meanings to me?
  
  Also - is Phison also meant/spelled as Pison?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mythbuster
  
  I don't know who wrote Genesis; and I don't believe in its stories to be true. Sorry; I don't know how to answer your question.
  
  If you have a question about Quran; I may try to help you, if I know the answer.
  
  I am not a scholar; I am just an ordinary man.
  
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  His question has nothing to do with Genesis, it was a matter of Linguistics:
  
  "are there different words in your culture for "spring," "earth" "surface" "slime" "breathed" "breath" and "soul" ? If so, could you post or email these alternate words and meanings to me?
  
  Also - is Phison also meant/spelled as Pison?"
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  parrsurrey,
  
  Let me simplify... what are the non-english words used in your culture for the words "earth," "spring," etc?
  
  Just doing a word check here.
  
  I'm wondering why you don't believe the Genesis text to be true...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He is a Skeptic LOL
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mythbuster
  
  But that will be in Urdu. Can you understand Urdu. I have Urdu Catholic Bible with me; I can give you from it; but in roman writing.
  Earth=Zameen, spring=ratubat,surface: rue , spirit= jaan, breath= dam, slime= mattee, breated= phoonka,Phison has been kept the same perhaps they considered it a proper noun.
  
  Sorry, I did not understand earlier that you wanted this.
  
  Protestants would have translated in slightly changed words; but it is not with me right now.
  
  Maybe it helps you.
  
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  mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, parrsurrey, I don't speak a word of Urdu but I am aware that in translations meanings get lost so I always try to find out the intended meaning of an author, if possible, and what word meanings the author is likely to have used.
  
  This saves me on misunderstanding entire passages sometimes but not always - That's all
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mythbuster
  
  There are many things:
  
  1. The book does not claim it is Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; it is not from one of the plates given to Moses from YHWH.
  2. Even Moses never claimed that he himself had written it.
  3. Even the scribe; whosoever he was; has not mentioned that it was dictated by Moses to him.
  4. The scribe’ whosoever he was does not mention that he was authorized to write it on behalf of Moses.
  5. If taken in literal sense; the things mentioned in it are not factual.
  6. In symbolic sense; some parts of it could be understood or interpreted in a manner that it make sense; but there seem some later additions which do not fit in the reasonable picture.
  I don’t deny that still there is enough guidance in the OTBible to reach to the eternal truth, if understood correctly.
  
  Maybe it helps
  
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  Thank you for pointing out my mistke; I have no answered post of friend mythbuster.
  
  I hold you in high esteem.
  
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mythbusterposted 13 years ago
parrsurrey,

Here's something from the 2nd link you offered in a post a short while back:

"[2:259] Hast thou not heard of him who disputed with Abraham about his Lord, because Allah had given him kingdom? When Abraham said, ‘My Lord is He Who gives life and causes death,’ he said, ‘I also give life and cause death.’ Abraham said, ‘Well, Allah brings the sun from the East; bring it thou from the West.’ Thereupon the infidel was dumbfounded. And Allah guides not the unjust people."

Please explain "the infidel" and "the unjust people," so that I may understand who these are.

Also, parr surrey, in [2:261] what is the significance of the four birds? "[...]‘Take four birds and make them attached to thyself. Then put each of them on a hill; then call them; they will come to thee in haste. And know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.’ "
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Infidel I can explain, an Arab friend once enlightened my while we were watching Aladdin, and the Cave of Wonders yells infidel and collapses on the thief lol
  
  The arabic word infidel means more something along the lines of "one who lacks thankfulness" than it does "one who disbelieves"
  
  As a side note I remember parrasurrey mentioning earlier that he speaks Urdu so he's probably from Pakistan and doesn't speak a plethora of Arabic.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would put it as a metaphor speaking about god being the entity who has four birds ,us humans in different continents(hills) and when god comes calling we reciprocate faster.
  
  Could be wrong.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  I thank you for replying from my side; I forgot to reply to the post of our friend mythbuster. Peace to him.
  
  Abraham asked YHWH; how would you enliven the not-believers? YHWH told him to take four (human) birds (amongst your followers) and train them; when they are perfect in acts and teachings and obedience they would join you in your mission.
  
  You have understood correctly. I admire your understanding.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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Niteriterposted 13 years ago
Who is god? Why, everybody in the Hubpages community knows it's Mark Knowles! (Howdy, Mark!)
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  There will always be those who deny Obvious Trooth.
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pooja0908posted 13 years ago
One who be with me and gives me Strength to live
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probafixposted 13 years ago
For me my family (my parents) is god...I love my parents!!!
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philip carey 61posted 13 years ago
God is Love. Period.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
And the Creator- God Allah YHWH created everything in the Universe and he did not get tired:

[46:34] Have they not seen that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied by their creation, has the power to give life to the dead? Yea, verily, He has power over all things.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=32

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kaja_melposted 13 years ago
According to the New Testament Jesus is the word (made into flesh) that was spoken to create by God. He also created Christianity. However Constatine brought forth a corrupt version of Chrisianity. I guess you just have to be a believer in Christianity and the virgin birth to understand. Isaiah 48 is a good reading for examining the Trinity(one God with multiple manifestations.
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bojanglesk8posted 13 years ago
We are our own gods.
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  errum fattahposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh really?
  u must be silly talking like this...
  wat powers we have if we are Gods?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We are limited in the human form but our essence is gods essence which permeates everything.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i disagree. we are only limited even in human form by our perspective of the true Image in us. G/god or gods is a limitation of Creator.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry didn't get that please expand.
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
Our human form is body, mind & spirit.
we cannot divide them.
Thus, our true nature is the image of Creator in manifest form.
The image we see now is not as it was before -as with adam. However, the second Adam revealed that form to us.

The concept of G/god or multiple titles, images, expressions are man-made limitations of our actual nature -mentioned above.

As said to someone else, the Creator is not G/god or a god because it limits who He is -everything. Any perception of a personal, relationary deity is idolatry. Yet men worship other men -even the One who told them not to worship even himself, but called us brothers. This was my argument also regarding names and titles given by man to the Creator.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Hi friends

Quran informs us about the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

[2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:165] Verily, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of night and day, and in the ships which sail in the sea with that which profits men, and in the water which Allah sends down from the sky and quickens therewith the earth after its death and scatters therein all kinds of beasts, and in the change of the winds, and the clouds pressed into service between the heaven and the earth — are indeed Signs for the people who understand.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?
submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=159

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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Either you can see the magic,
  Or your life is indeed tragic. " From Ponder Awhile
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Hi friends

More about God and His attributes:

[57:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[57:2] Whatever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Allah; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
[57:3] His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and He causes death; and He has power over all things.
[57:4] He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He knows all things full well.
[57:5] He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, then He settled Himself on the Throne. He knows what enters the earth and what comes out of it, and what comes down from heaven and what goes up into it. And He is with you wheresoever you may be. And Allah sees all that you do.
[57:6] His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; and to Allah are all affairs referred.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … .php?ch=57

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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I find this belief in a god to be amusing.

I would have thought an omnipotent omnipresent entity would be at least sophisticated enough not to demand worship or need to be worshipped.

That is not a god, that is a megalomaniac.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Mr. shrub hows it doin.
  
  I wonder if his definition of Worship is the same as everybody elses? If everybody gets to interpret everything else; Why not this also?
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
I apologize Earnestshrub. trying to be cute ,
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No offence taken Jerami.
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
I'm not very good at being cute! I need more practice.
But right now I Gotta, don't want to, or need to, but I gotta go to the store for a pack oh cigs.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just got back from buying cigs to see this post!
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shonnadave16posted 13 years ago
in catholic faith, we believe that GOD is only one but categorized into three persons,.which are the following:GOD THE FATHERGOD THE SON and HOLY SPIRIT.

God is anonymous. He did not even revealed himself to people who he really is... the only thing he said is that "I am Who Am"
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  It is the Bible scirbes; who did not understand the Word revealed on Moses correctly and mentioned these meaningless sentence or the part of the sentence "I am Who Am".
  
  Quran corrects this and mentions the sentence:
  
  [20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
  [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?
  [20:11] When he saw a fire, he said to his family, ‘Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire.’
  [20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
  [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord . So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
  [20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
  [20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10
  
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those aren't corrections, they are dismissals.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The quoran is anti-Semitic as well as hating "infidels"
  
  Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6984) Abdullah b. ‘Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
  The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
  
  Why don't you quote this instead usmanali?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Hi friends

Everything else except the Creator- God Allah YHWH needs a pair; he needs no pair, no companion:

[51:48] And We have built the heaven with Our own hands, and verily We have vast powers. [51:49] And the earth We have spread out, and how excellently do We prepare things! [51:50] And of everything have We created pairs, that you may reflect.
[51:51] Flee ye therefore unto Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.
[51:52] And do not set up another God along with Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=44

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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
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More about the Creator - God Allah YHWH from the undoubted Quran:

[13:2] Alif Lam Mim Ra. These are verses of the Book. And that which has been revealed to thee from thy Lord is the truth, but most men believe not.
[13:3] Allah is He Who raised up the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then He settled Himself on the Throne. And He pressed the sun and the moon into service: each pursues its course until an appointed term. He regulates it all. He clearly explains the Signs, that you may have a firm belief in the meeting with your Lord.
[13:4] And He it is Who spread out the earth and made therein mountains and rivers. And fruits of every kind He made therein in two sexes. He causes the night to cover the day. Therein, verily, are Signs for a people who reflect.
[13:5] And in the earth are diverse tracts, adjoining one another, and gardens of vines, and corn-fields, and datepalms, growing together from one root and others not so growing; they are watered with the same water, yet We make some of them excel others in fruit. Therein are Signs for a people who understand.
[13:6] And if thou dost wonder, then wondrous indeed is their saying: ‘What! when we have become dust, shall we then be in a state of new creation?’ These it is who disbelieve in their Lord; and these it is who shall have shackles round their necks, and they shall be the inmates of the Fire, wherein they shall abide.
[13:7] And they want thee to hasten on the punishment in preference to good, whereas exemplary punishments have already occurred before them. And verily, thy Lord is full of forgiveness for mankind despite their wrongdoing, and verily, thy Lord is also strict in condign punishment.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … .php?ch=13

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