Are there any experts of occult sciences, in western nations?

1. 57

   vivekanandaposted 13 years ago

   As we have Keralites and Bengali tantriks in India... are there any such equivalent occult science specialists, in the western countries? If yes, how effective are they?

   replyreport
   1. 68

      ilmdamailyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, they're called Chiropractors.
      
      Zing.
      
      Sorry. Seriously though, yes there are those who derive thier income from performing "energy healing" or consulting with the spirits of the deceased (psychics).
      
      Whether or not what they do is real or valid is entirely up to the individual. What they do is not "mainstream" in the sense that most people with an illness will go to a doctor first, and a healer second. There's plenty of people who do the opposite though.
      
      I think "occult" as a term is a little too restrictive - it places experiences that are beyond traditional understandings of the world into a christian discourse (I think) when in reality many of the practicioners of these skills/arts would be more spiritual or non-denominational in their beliefs.

      replyreport
      1. 57

         vivekanandaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hi ilmdamaily, Thanks for utilizing your time to answer my question.
         
         Good to know that even in the western culture, there are a few who can help the people in such cases.
         
         I knew there are some Fakirs in the muslim religion , who always do such healing work. Chiropractors are new to my knowledge.

         replyreport
   2. 60

      ncarpenterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Occult" Not revealed- Secret..relating to super natural.
      Occult do exist and yet no one know how people get their skills. Their around all over and yes it's been going on for thousand of years.

      replyreport
   3. 60

      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mystics have existed all over this planet.

      replyreport
   4. 50

      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friends
      
      As per Wikipedia:
      
      "The term occult is also used as a label given to a number of magical organizations or orders, the teachings and practices taught by them, and to a large body of current and historical literature and spiritual philosophy related to this subject ."
      
      Magic is only a superstition; it is no reality, in my opinion.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      replyreport
2. 84

   CMHypnoposted 13 years ago

   There is a whole range of comlimentary therapies and spiritual healing available in Western countries - reiki, energy healing, reflexology, angel healing, crystal healing, colour therapy, kinesiology, aromatherapy, the list goes on.

   replyreport
   1. 57

      vivekanandaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Of course, there are a lot of therapies for the healing purpose. But  the indian occult practitioners are also involved in destructive work. They can reach any extent just for the sake of money.

      replyreport
3. 78

   Shadesbreathposted 13 years ago

   Occult science = oxymoron
   
   I'm not even saying there isn't something to the occult.  But a huge part of what gets the spiritual enterprises mocked beyond saving is the insistence of using "science" and terms like that.
   
   Why can't religion and magic just accept that they are religion and magic.  I swear, the spiritual community has the most massive insecurity complex.
   
   It's like a hot chick that thinks she's fat so keeps gagging herself until she's a skeleton and then can't figure out why the quarterback won't ask her out.  It's not another hot chick that ruined her chances.

   replyreport
   1. 68

      ilmdamailyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ha, love the analogy:-)
      
      Very true also - i'm a huge fan of mysticism, spirituality and magic, but you're right - the insistence of using the term "science" is not only factually incorrect, but damaging to their credibility.
      
      Epistemically, both are fundamentally opposed: the accrual of knowledge in mysiticism is through internal experience. The accrual of knowledge in science is through external validation through measurement and testing.
      
      Methodologically - and practically - they are as far apart as can be.
      
      Which isn't to verify/deny the truth people find in them, but merely accept that the two shall/should never meet.

      replyreport
   2. 57

      Dave Barnettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Couldn't agree more on the oxymoron cited above, but if by "magic" you mean like a whole universe appearing from absolutely zip, I can't really go with the present state of our knowledge, because further back than the original event horizon lies only theories. I just met ol' Stephen Hawking over here on the other side of the Big Bang. Or maybe it's that danged black smoke from the island.  Me, not exactly what one would call religious or christian. Do believe in something akin to God, and also that we are fully formed, yet a work in progress, otherwise Adam woulda blown up his nice garden with an atomic bomb. We are a work in progress, and evolution is just one tool. Do consider myself as a mystic, but not so into that occult talk. I don't feel occult. In Med terms occult is used to denote the presence of blood, as in occult stool. Poop and blood.

      replyreport
      1. 59

         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Science or science fiction? I don't think you've distinguished between them? Could you be more specific?

         replyreport
4. 83

   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Poop and blood sounds about right to me!

   replyreport
5. 66

   Tusitala Tomposted 13 years ago

   Can't agree with Ilmdamaily that Science and Spirituality should be kept apart.  A thorough reading of Dr. Amit Goswami's book, "The Self Aware Universe - How Consciousness Creates the Material World," might just change a few people's minds.  Goswami is no slouch: a quantum physicist and highly regarded in scientific circles, he's studied widely: cognitive psychology, neurophysiology, and theories of artificial intelligence, to name a few subjects.   
   
   Apparently Goswami's written other books: "The Concepts of Physics Quantum Mechanics," for one.  The time for regarding Science and Spiritualy as being incompatible has well and truly coming to an end.

   replyreport
   1. 59

      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps, for his work in physics, but not for his own personal pet theories about monistic idealism.

      replyreport
   2. 50

      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friends
      
      I like that.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      replyreport
6. 83

   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Dr. Amit Goswami is an indoctrinated religionist.
   
   Read about his childhood, all the reasons for his beliefs will become clear.

   replyreport
7. 50

   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Are there any experts of occult sciences, in western nations?
   
   
   Occult Sciences are no sciences; only a superstition neither supported by truthful Religion nor by the natural science.

   replyreport