Early Hinduism the foundations for the Occult?

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

   In some of my recent readings, it appears that Hinduism has somehow deeply influenced, the practical teachings of the Occult.  The science of Palm reading is one such influence.  I'm curious to know if anyone else has ever noticed similarities between the two supposed religions?  The concept of Channeling is another example of the two being directly linked.
   
   Is the Occult just a twisted copycat of Hinduism?
   
   (This is not a matter of my opinion.  It is just a question.)

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      kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The occult isn't actually a religion. Many people with an interest in the occult have drawn on eastern teachings a lot but also on other sources, from chakras and such like from hinduism and yoga, to meditation techniques from buddhism, to European paganism and witchraft, ancient egyptian religion, Judaism (Kabbalah and ritual magic) and probably other sources too.
      
      Hinduism is just one influence, but having said that I do agree that there are probably many people out there who are into chakras and reincarnation and channeling and stuff who probably are just practicing a twisted form Hinduism, yes.

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It is no science; it has no basis, I think; it is just superstition.

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         skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Paar is talking about superstition ?

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            pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            ...ya i too noticed that...

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am wondering what they would say (the Hindus) about the new discovery that scientists of sorts have made about a man...Apparently when his ring finger is longer than his index finger it indicates a high risk of getting prostrate cancer. That appears to be similar to how palm readers ascertain different things? It may be useful or not useful I don't know. I personally wouldn't call it an occult. Of course that is subject to debate.

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What do you mean by scientists of sorts?
         
         Do the Cancer Specialist Physicians say this?

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            pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes don't know whether they are scientists or physicians but they are research specialists? What does that make them? They did gene test on thousands of men to come to that conclusion? Apparently it is in the DNA structure of the finger of all things!

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Provide the reference.

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                  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry I couldn't find our daily news program that aired it but here is one I googled.
                  
                  http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazine … dy_8209927

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                     pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Heres the source of the research...I think?
                     
                     http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/vaop/ … 5986a.html

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         skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Palmistry, Astrology and numerology was never part of base religion- Santana dharma (point of origin for Hinduism). Hinduism is like scattered piece of puzzle when it comes to these things. Palmistry, Astrology and numerology was never considered as part of science here but only as part of local tradition to some parts in India. People buy-sell stuff based on date etc, it's just vague prediction that all Hindus know already.

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            pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thats very interesting that is was local tradition.
            
            Perhaps most forms of divination are never completely accurate because what is predicted can be deemed as vague especially when one decides another course of action. The possibility of what was predicted coming to the fore... was changed the minute the new decision was made.
            
            Isn't that why people look toward divination? To help them make decisions to change their course? I don't know...pure speculation on my part.

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               skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Now that we're on topic of occult, prediction i would like to add here that there are some prediction methods used by ancients to calculate extreme seasons, influence of stars on life etc. For example, moon phase is related to high and low tides in sea and from there some calendars in ancient hindu civilization tells us how to calculate extreme weather/seasons. Ofcourse there are some scientific gaps that trashes this whole theory but it's still in local practice.
               
               There are also some singers who claim to bring rain in location where there is not a single cloud. The form of singing they use for that is called 'megh mallhar'. Nothing new in that because even celtic wizards were known to bring rain using soundwaves.
               
               If we start to connect ancient methods to modern science then definitely we'll see the flaws. Unfortunately indians realized what to pick and throw from the ancients but western people are picking up what is now discarded by local indians. You can see occult or similar methods are now discarded by locals but now western people are interested in it without understanding the flaws in it.

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree with you

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                  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  So the usefulness in some ancient prediction methods were deemed to be too unreliable to continue using it? That makes huge sense!
                  
                  Our people no longer use the stars and the moon to navigate their way through the seas. Simply because none of them were taught the art of reading waves from those who knew how to read the waves. Perhaps they were not taught because they too saw flaws in their methods? We do however use the moon for fishing!
                  
                  So in using these methods of prediction...like astrology and palmistry....in your opinion are they still useful? Or useful to a point only? Because of the flaws?

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            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with you.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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            This is incorrect. The Hebrews always used astrology and numerology.
            And it is in the oldest Hebrew scriptures.
            
            They didn't have numbers and always used the alphabet to count.
            To them A was 1 and could not be separated.
            Many things are hidden in scripture this way.

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               skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               So what is incorrect here ? Do you even read what i posted before quoting ?

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You said and I Quote "Astrology and numerology was never part of base religion"

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                     skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Base religion -'santan dharma' (point of origin of hinduism). I think i made that clear in that reply.

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                        Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        ______________________
                        I apologize

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                        paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        
                        Do you mean Sanatan Dharma is the base of Hinduism? I understand that Sanatam Dharma belive in ONENESS of the Creator-God and don't believe in many gods. Is it true?
                        
                        Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 also spoke good of Sanatan Dharma .

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   skyfireposted 13 years ago

   You better not relate the two. Hinduism is one of the oldest religion alive on this planet - way before Christianity, islam and other religions. Hinduism has place for almost every type of thinking - agnostics, atheists, theists, pantheists etc. There are some cults under Hinduism still practicing satanism - called as aghori. (Concept of Satan in Hinduism is not that horrific or hated like abrahamic religion because even satan has deserved respect in hindusim). You can't say occult is copy of Hinduism or even something like -everything that today's religion preach was from Hinduism because there used to be some ancient civilizations before/along with Hinduism. Take case of jainism and buddhism which was branched out of hindusim in such way that they've now their own identity independent of hinduism.

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   Bard of Elyposted 13 years ago

   The Vedas are where L Ron Hubbard got a lot of his inspiration for Scientology.

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   skyfireposted 13 years ago

   Many things in palmistry are based on fictitious stars and their influence which no one can prove. They can just make assumptions and some stories which relates to typical human behavior. For example, Aries born in X month exhibits this and that etc. No rational explanation, it is just like that because it's based on mythic god and stars influence. 
   
   With rise in population, problems are becoming complex and you can't predict anything in general with vague explanation of stars and months. This is one more thing that tells us why it should be entertain-able up-to certain extent.

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ah Ok makes sense to me! Thanks!

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   Deborah Sextonposted 13 years ago

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   Ever Hebrew makes sure this is in their heart.
   Deuteronomy 6:4
   Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

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   davidemorganposted 13 years ago

   You mean to say that Jyotish (Vedic astrology) is not part of Hinduism?

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not a truthful part of Hinduism; it is neither science nor religion; just superstition

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         monkeyofstickposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         It was the first one though...

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   Oztinatoposted 9 years ago

   Hinduism predates all religions and spirituality. Sanskrit also predates all languages. Even maths originally comes from the Hindus.

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   monkeyofstickposted 9 years ago

   http://www.ourspiritualhome.com/t4368-t … y-of-india

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