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Flip:Why are believers obsessed with telling nonbelievers theyre wrong

  1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
    ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years ago

    A followup on the thread I posted earlier.
    I realized that perhapse the answer to my question "Why are nonbelievers so obsessed with telling Christians they are wrong" is simple.
    So many "Christians" bash non believers and tell them they are stupid for not accpeting God. They are hypocrites and show no love.
    I wanted to post this as an apology on behalf of those "believers". It saddens me that both sides are so ready to bash the other, and I realize that only an apology is needed on the topic.
    If you are not a believer in Christ, and have been wronged, hurt, or bashed or had beliefs shoved down your throat by a Christian rather than lovingly told about what they believed,
    I apologize.
    You have the right to believe what you want, as do we all.

    1. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps, you might want to understand that often having beliefs shoved down your throat is the same thing as being lovingly told what they believe.  Just a point of clarity. smile

      As well, you may state that you have the right to believe what you want, but that means you would have to follow the beliefs of your religion and your god, which means you have to tell us all how to live according to your scriptures.

      Notice the circular motion going on there?  wink

      1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
        ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Not at all, Beelzedad, there is a difference. When someone asks us what we believe and we tell them lovingly, that isn't shoving anything down anyone's throat. It's merely answering questions and it happens all the time.

        And yes, that is true, but as I just stated - that may be done in a way that is unoffensive and good. Like answering questions or giving sermons in our own churches while inviting people to come. Is it so wrong to give someone the choice whether to listen or not?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          And you had to turn this thread into defending your right to spread your ridiculous beliefs didn't you?

          I am offended every single time that some one invites me to listen to their ridiculous beliefs. What on earth makes you think anyone is interested in what you believe?

        2. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 7 years agoin reply to this



          It doesn't matter whether you talk about your beliefs in a loving way, or shove them down our throats, it's still disturbing. 

          Would you respect my belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, even if I told you in a loving way, or would you think my beliefs were absurd?

          1. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If I hear you and someone else talking about your spagetti monster I'd most likely just think to myself ......       "just listen to them silly squirrels"  and go on my way.

        3. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That is the critical point of your argument though. No one is asking you because they already know or were never interested in the first place because they have access to bibles just like you.



          Yes, it is wrong because you forced that choice upon them, which means the choice of whether to listen or not has nothing to do with what they want and everything to do with what YOU want. smile

          1. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Imagine if you can that you get next weeks  newspaper?   You know  beforehand what hurricane Catrina is going to do to New Orleans and the gulf Coast. 

               Ya know what is about to happen.
               Ya want to save as many people as you can  but nobody will listen to ya.
               Yea; you know that most everyone is going to think that you are foolish.  But if just one person believed you and got out of town it was worth pushing your beliefs upon those that didn't hear ya..

            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Imagine your god...

              Oops! There's the problem. wink

            2. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Yeah - but your threat does not exist. In which case the one person saved from the nonexistent threat does not make up for the constant wars.

              But - you go ahead and justify sticking your beliefs to all and sundry. Odd how upset you seem to get when people tell you they are nonsense. Ya know? wink

              1. Jerami profile image73
                Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                You don't need anyones permission to believe what ever you believe in or not believe.

                   I don't either.
                   I do not come on here to argue with Atheists or even to change their beliefs.
                   I come here to express my beliefs with believers.


                   I believe that approx 99% of all bible prophesy has been fulfilled.  So to believe the finalley is near, or even at the door, would be logical.

                  You don't want to hear it??  OK;  Fine with me!
                  Most Christians don't want to hear it either.
                  The prophesy that they are  waiting and watching for to be fulfilled at some time in the future have "ALREADY" happened according to the book that they hold in their hands.
                 
                  That is; except for the seventh trumpet and seventh Vial   

                   Someone said (2000 years ago) that it hasn't happened yet
                   
                   It is written so it must not have happened yet..???

                   A 1000 years from now it will still be written that it hasn't happened yet ??????  And a 1000 years after that it will still be written.  SO ?

                 
                   
                  That is my message.   And I know !!  You don't want to hear it!   If you don't want to hear it ?  Don't listen.

        4. profile image0
          klarawieckposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          ohmygoodnessrae, just a word of advice... don't waste your time trying to get Beelzedad to understand. He is the most argumentative man I've ever encountered! lol

          1. Beelzedad profile image58
            Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Klarawieck, I do understand what people are saying here, unless they are completely incoherent and require remedial English classes. I understand what you're saying too.

            Are you sure maybe it isn't you who is not understanding me? smile

    2. thisisoli profile image55
      thisisoliposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      As to the question about vegetarianism, it might be rude to talk about a lovely steak with a vegetarian around. But I think it would be just as rude for a vegetarian to act so offended because somebody else has a different view on meat eating.

      While my wife is vegan and will still cook me a steak, I do know some other vegetarians who are offended when I talk about meat. They feel that their own belief is more 'justified' than mine, which I feel is somehow wrong.

      In regards to the OP, I don't think you need to apologise since you have held your temper, and have only tried to reason, not insult.  There are probably apologies owed from both sides of the religion argument.

    3. CMCastro profile image86
      CMCastroposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I belong to a family with the combination of religious and nonreligious, believers and nonbelievers.  I believe that having discernment on how to speak to others, and being prepared with the right words to say, and when to say it. It is good to be fair and nondenominational. I think that EVERYBODY should LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
      We live in a cruel world full of crime and evil, and to be personally spoken to with judgement by others who believe in God is harsh in itself.  Being a good listener helps for the correct words to say.

  2. Misha profile image77
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Based on what I read of what they say - their book tells them so. smile

    1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
      ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      They are wrong.
      The book never tells us to be hateful or to ram things down people's throats.
      I'm sorry they've led you to believe that. hmm

      1. Misha profile image77
        Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        This is your interpretation of the book. Obviously it allows for multiple interpretations, as many believers will tell you you are wrong, and quote the book to support their point of view. smile

        1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
          ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That's true, Misha. Many people interperate and call for hate.
          This, however, is an apology for that. Nothing more.

          1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
            ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            You can accept the apology, or argue religion. But I really only wanted to apologize.

            1. Misha profile image77
              Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Oh, I don't need an apology, I am not feeling offended. It is nice of you, though smile

              1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Ok. But I still believe an apology is in order. If not for you, than for others that have been offended, ya know?

      2. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Is this from another book then?

          Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

        Thus speaketh the invisible sky fairy

        Nice!

        1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
          ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That is a completely different situation, earnesthub.

          That is speaking of the Kingdom of Israel. Like any other kingdom, they had laws. That priest was the enforcer of the law. Those under him served God.
          They weren't forcing anything down anyone's throat - just enforcing a law they all agreed to keep.

        2. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
          ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          You always seem to be looking for a fight. hmm

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            No, just making some observations. Your title is the stuff that picks fights. smile

            1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
              ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Again, I only entitled it to pose a question.
              If you read my very first post, you'll find the reason why I published this topic.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                I have a great memory thanks. smile I can recall all of the things I read very clearly. smile

                1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                  ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I wasn't insulting your memory.
                  I just wanted to make sure you read it.

                  The topic was to link this thread to my other one, so that people would know it was a follow up.

  3. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    Thus speaketh the invisible sky fairy

    See I told you, it was coming.

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't you enlighten me with the "truth" then and show me proof of the guy who made himself, became his own son. killed himself and blames, punishes mankind for his screw ups??

      "Fairy in the sky above, write a hub and show some love!" smile

      1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
        ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        That isn't want this post was about.

      2. Diane Inside profile image80
        Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        What for it wouldn't matter what I said. Or how I explained it. It is a lost cause.

        I was only pointing out that one of you would show disrespect by calling names, as I have said in the other forum.

        And you just proved me right that's all.

        It is offensive to me, because it is making fun of God and believers, and that is blasphemy.

        I know you don't believe that, but because I do it is offensive to me.

        1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
          ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That's exactly what I mean!
          Why do we have to name-call and be offensive?
          Even if we do disagree with each other???

          1. Diane Inside profile image80
            Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            are you saying I'm calling names, no.

            1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
              ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              No not at all.
              I'm agreeing with you.
              Why do people have to name-call when they don't agree with someone, you know?

              1. Diane Inside profile image80
                Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                I wish I knew why but I don't.  But it sure gets old.  I usually can go along with most things, and be civil and friendly but I hate the name calling it is like we are back grade school.

        2. Misha profile image77
          Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          You know, my belief tells me that people speaking English in my presence are offending me. Please stop it, have some respect for others, would you?

          1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
            ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Um . . . HubPages is strictly an English-speaking community . . so you are offending yourself by being here . . LEAVE!

            haha just kidding smile
            Oh, late-night sarcasm . .

            1. Misha profile image77
              Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              He-he, those English-speakers conspire here to insult me! tongue

              But you see the point, right? smile

              1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Well . . the way I took it is that you are offended automatically by people who believe the way I do.
                No matter what we do. hmm

                1. Misha profile image77
                  Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  You mistaking me for Earnest and Mark. smile

                  1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                    ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    No no.
                    I meant by your comment about being offended by the English language.

                    I don't think I got your double-meaning in that.

                    Could you explain? My brain kinda . .shuts down around this hour. haha

          2. Diane Inside profile image80
            Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Okay come on over the the Russian Forum and I talk to you there.

            1. Misha profile image77
              Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              So, why don't you move over to a christian forum then?

              1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Because I'm not here for a Christian forum.
                I'm here to write, and I participate in these forums to engage in the community.
                This is just a response to what I've seen throughout the forums, you know?

                1. Misha profile image77
                  Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  This was my response to a specific post by Diana, trying to show her that I think her stance is unsustainable smile

                  1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                    ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    oh . . sorry.
                    haha

                  2. Diane Inside profile image80
                    Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    It's Diane, not Diana,  and Whatever.

              2. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Misha, are you actually prejudice against Christians?

                1. Misha profile image77
                  Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Nah, absolutely. I don't share the belief and think it is as irrational as other religions, but I don;t have any prejudice against it, probably because I was not indoctrinated with it when I was a kid. Mark and Earnest seem to still fight the indoctrination they received in early years. smile

                  1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                    ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Ah I see.
                    Well I have no problem with you not sharing my beliefs.
                    I think we can get along as long as we don't start name calling. haha.
                    smile

                  2. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
                    ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    And Misha, I can definitely see why Earnest fights so hard.
                    I got extremely angry with God because of my indoctrination as a kid. But we won't get into that.
                    I just wanted to say I understood. I don't hold anything against him. smile

              3. Diane Inside profile image80
                Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Oh I was waiting in the Russian forum, you never showed. he he he

                1. Misha profile image77
                  Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I've been waiting for you on a christian one yikes

                  1. Diane Inside profile image80
                    Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Oh I was there.

  4. Misha profile image77
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Cool, you guys are starting to get along! smile

    1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
      ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Haha.
      I was hoping for that.
      This post was about mending tension. I hate offending people - especially over something so unnecessary. He has his beliefs and I have mine. The end.
      big_smile

      1. Misha profile image77
        Mishaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Or may be the beginning? wink

        1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
          ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          *Cue dramatic music.

          haha wink

    2. Diane Inside profile image80
      Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That will never happen, be nice if it would. smile

      1. ohmygoodnessrae profile image60
        ohmygoodnessraeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        What will never happen?
        Mending tension?
        Because it just did . . .

        1. Diane Inside profile image80
          Diane Insideposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Just wait, you'll see. I've seen this before.

  5. Joy56 profile image61
    Joy56posted 7 years ago

    er two posts same question,,,,,,,  now what has gone on here.

    Time to sleep ohmygoodness, it's three in the morning.,

  6. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Mark Knowles wrote     I am offended every single time that some one invites me to listen to their ridiculous beliefs.
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    ME ...    Do vegitarians get so offended when someone tells them how good that "T bone"  steak tasted last night? 
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Mark Knowles wrote    What on earth makes you think anyone is interested in what you believe? 
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    Me   
      I think that  everyone  has wanted to ask this same question from time to time.  And I think that we forget that someone will always be thinking it about us.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if vegetarians get offended. It would be pretty rude to do so wouldn't it? Sort of like telling them their lifestyle is wrong and you have a better one for them if they just listened to how good that steak was.

      Really - what a high opinion you have of yourself. Where I come from it is downright rude to ask some one what they believe as far as religion goes.

      wink

      1. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        You sure are good at twisting things that people say.
           Were you born with that ability or do you have to work hard at it??
          You must be proud of yourself.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Jerami - I did not twist anything. It is there in black and white.

          Do vegetarians get offended when you tell them how wonderful your steak was?

          I don't know - I am not a vegetarian, but - it would be pretty rude of you to do so.

          No twisting here Jerami. Feel free to read what I wrote.

          1. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I did say when someone  I didn't when I do.

              Just suppose that   "Someone"  doesn't know that someone else is a vegitarian  BUT   comments on how good their Steak was!

              Should the vegatian go into a rant?

              NO!  Cause everyone has the right to like what they like.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              So - you go around telling random strangers that you had a great steak last night?

              "Hey random stranger - let me tell you the good news about that Prime Rib I ate last night. It was wonderful, and you should really consider eating Prime Rib tonight.

              I hear there are some people that don't like to eat Prime Rib. This is an offense against The Great Invisible Cow in the Sky, and they are going to be punished for not eating Prime Rib.

              I have spent years translating the sacred texts to explain why and I now know that the prophecies have come true. Mad Cow Disease was foretold in the scriptures, many years since, as a punishment for vegetarianism. Come - let us eat Prime Rib together in the Holy Texas Steak house.

              Repent and eat the Cow!"

              lol lol

              Actually - that is a powerful argument. See if you don't want a prime Rib for dinner. wink

              See how that would need to go to be the same Jerami?

            2. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              To Parra
              How typically condescending! smile

      2. aka-dj profile image77
        aka-djposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Rude to ask? We don't ask, you just volunteer it (like) ALL the time. hmm

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Zat so? No book being spread far and wide then? No churches? No ringing bells? No knocking on doors? No TV ads? No billboards? Dear me. 

          lollol lol

          1. aka-dj profile image77
            aka-djposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Your spelling is getting worse! "Zat so?" sad

            I haven't ever "spread" a book
            rang a (church)bell
            knocked on doors, (well maybe a few, but definitely not yours!)
            done tv ads
            nor billboards.
            You are indeed dear to me. lol

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Ah - Interesting. Lying for Jesus huh? I have seen you quoting the book that you do not spread. LOLOLOLOL Dear me. sad

              1. aka-dj profile image77
                aka-djposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                We spread butter, margarine, topsoil etc. I have never seen a "spreadable" book before.
                LOL @ya. lol

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah - semantics. Very good DJ. Proof you are a genuine Christian in any case. sad

                  1. aka-dj profile image77
                    aka-djposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Did you at least crack a smile???? hmm

  7. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Flip:Why are believers obsessed with telling nonbelievers theyre wrong

    Only because of free will and for humanity's sake to help the nonbelievers, out of love. If still they don't believe it is OK with me.
    Thanks

    1. Cagsil profile image62
      Cagsilposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Out of love? You're kidding right?

      1. profile image69
        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        We don't hate anybody and don't want that others should suffer in the hereafter, when they could easily avoid that suffering. But we don't insist because of your free will.

        Thanks

  8. Apostle Jack profile image60
    Apostle Jackposted 7 years ago

    It's like this.If i see you heading for some quick sand,
    should i tell you,or let you go ahead?

  9. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    Mark, just wondering, so If a forum specifically says Mark you are not invited to listen to my beliefs.

    Would you not therefore comment in that forum?

  10. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Jerami, I will concede that you may well be correct in your interpretation or reading of what was written. I just don't believe what is written is true. smile

    1. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hay Earnest  enjoying your weather?  I'm not.


      I might have agreed with ya   except   I can see the bread crumbs. (Hansel and Gretel).

          There is a pretty clear trail through history that can easily be seen as fulfillment of all of the seal, trumpet and vial judgments. (except for two)   
         

          That proves something, to me at least.
          Just because the story got corrupted don't mean that the main characters in the story didn't exist.

         My thoughts anyway.

      1. stilljustwonderin profile image60
        stilljustwonderinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Well after reading all this it is pretty clear to me that ya can't have an opinion, a thought, or a belief.  If ya do you should just keep it to your self because others don't want to hear it.  They can express their views but if yours is different your foolish.
        So
        How's the weather?  Is it ok to discuss the weather?  Of course the weather is different every where so I guess we shouldn't discuss that either.  Is there anything we can discuss?

        1. Jerami profile image73
          Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Hay  I'd like to hear your opinion.  here is mine ...
          I think you are cool

          1. stilljustwonderin profile image60
            stilljustwonderinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Well I think your pretty cool too.  And guess what else?  I think it is ok  if you have an opinion.  I won't even get upset if it is different from mine.  I won't insult you or your belief.   I'm silly enough to think every one is entitled to one.

        2. mythbuster profile image84
          mythbusterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          But if we stop trying to "discuss," we won't get anywhere, either. Once in a while people DO listen to one another. I think those moments are worth many of the frustrations, don't you?

          1. stilljustwonderin profile image60
            stilljustwonderinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Yes we should be able to discuss.  I have gone onto threads and be involved in good discussions with some one who believes differently than me.  There seem to be a mutual respect there. 
            Take some one who is color blind.  They see a color differently than we do.
            They honestly see it the way they do.  Who is to say they see it wrong?  The majority rules?  How do we know that it is the majority that isn't color blind?  We all go by what we see.

            1. Jerami profile image73
              Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              I was reading once that everyone does in fact see a different shade of, lets say green. The thing that everyone has agreed to CALL green may actually apear to me as blue, but we have agreed to call it green.
                And this is difficult to communicate that FACT.

        3. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          It's a free world. You can discuss what you like.

          If I discuss my adorable invisible unicorn feel free to not disagree with me. lol

          1. stilljustwonderin profile image60
            stilljustwonderinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If you see one, good for you.  I'm not going to argue with you about it, or insult you.  You see what you see.
            I have seen you on many threads.  I have ignored your comments because you seem to be insulting and condescending.  If you attack some one they will by human nature go on the defense and a good discussion isn't going to happen.
            If you have a disagreement with your wife and you start insulting her, will ya'll be able to settle the disagreement?  If your wife starts yelling at you, will you hear?  I believe that in order to be heard you have to speak calmly and respectfully.

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              If you see any gods get a photo will you? smile The prize goes to the religionists not me. Condescending threats made in the third person are not nice, and I usually respond to them. smile

              1. stilljustwonderin profile image60
                stilljustwonderinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                We all know that God is a spirit.  I could show you a picture of a spirit but you still would not believe.  I have a picture that was taken with a polaroid camera.  It was taken at the death bed of my husbands cousin.  There are images of people in the picture that were not seen by her husband and children.  Her mother took this picture to an expert to have it analyzed thinking it was a double exposure and she would have evidence that her son in law had been cheating on her daughter.   The expert said No, it is real.

                No one should be threatening you in any way.  You do realize and been told that referring to God as a sky fairy is offensive to us.  You continue to do so.  That puts others on the defensive.  As I stated in my above post, no one hears when they are on the defensive.  We can disagree, that is every ones right, but we should do so respectfully.

                Where are ya'll getting the smiley faces?  I see no where on my page to get them?

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Click "Formatting Tips" bottom right under the reply box for the smilies. big_smile

                  As a matter of interest - I see from another thread that 1, you believe in heaven, and 2, you believe that some people do not go there.

                  So - you buy the notion that some people get to live forever - based on their behavior in this life.

                  You also claim to be a Christian and your bible clearly tells me that the only unforgivable sin is to not believe in the Invisible Super Daddy, for which I will be burned in the lake of fire for all eternity.

                  How is this not a threat?

                  1. stilljustwonderin profile image60
                    stilljustwonderinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Thank you.  big_smile

                    Yes, you are correct.  I do believe there is a heaven and some people won't make it there.

                    Correct again.  I do believe that a person has to believe.

                    The Bible says that when he comes every eye shall see him.  When you see him, then  will  you believe?  What is in your heart?  Goodness?  Love?  Forgiveness?

                  2. Joy56 profile image61
                    Joy56posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    you will not be burned in hell Mark, you really wont.........  you love the religious forums too much, you are a secret believer, come on admit it, and throw me a pepper cool

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Why are believers obsessed with telling nonbelievers theyre wrong

    Hi friends

    To help the non-believers to come out of their frustration for humanity's sake.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      How typically condescending! smile

 
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