Wait before you answer. Look before you leap, Understand before you rage. DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOD?
Is any of that like "proofread before you post?"
Hi friend Underworld-Craft
I think you want to draw our attention to the following verses in the Bible:
John 10:34
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods?
Psalms 81:6
I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
So Jesus was god or son of god in the meanings as mentioned in the above usage of Bible. Jesus was not god or son of god in the literal and physical sense.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
We are not Gods, and never were intended to be:
Parr, I am getting real tired of your Crack-pot quotes, trying to justify one or two sentences you dig out. They are not what you claim. You know nothing at all. Get your Butt in school and learn something; ok,
get into the real Hebrew to understand it.
He is not calling "us" Gods, he is talking directly to the Chosen in Israel. It was a Passover speech Parr, nothing to do with what you claim at all?????
Below is Psalms 81:6 in full- in all the translations, just in case you would like to become informed????
You destroy any real image of God not up-hold him. If you really do not know, then just go to silence, ok!
The Passage you want is 82:6 and it does not translate as you claim it, you have to look at it in the Torah to fully understand it ok:
at Sinai- Israel received God's word of Torah ("all that the Lord hath spoken") and became holy and sinless ("...we will do and obey"), for this reason you (Israel) are called gods.
Although it is not explicitly stated, that statement when translated correctly, implies that holiness leads to deathlessness, because Holiness is a godlike quality, for which reason- " Israel is called God."
it is not intended for the un-circumcised, the rest of us!!!!! Israel is under the Law, we are under the Grace...think
It does not mean we are Gods at all, it means they were, not us.
He also explains to them that if there is any new sin, then they face death.....Yet with Israel's new sin comes death, the typical fate of sinful mortals ("ye shall die like men").
That’s why in Revelation the 144,000 Israelis, the original 12 of each Tribe, who kept the law, is lifted up, at the 6th seal, and it is also why there is a pause of 1/2 hour at the 7th seal, to allow time for those Chosen who committed new sin, to ponder what they have done. Before the Book of life is Opened.
You really do not know Parr, and you need to stop it, and study. Read 86:1 below, and if you like I can show you 86:2 also?
It clearly is for-told in the Torah, your answers are in the original Hebrew, not in Sunday school or in free lance eclectic interpretation as this thread implies.
81:6 is below...
New International Version (©1984)
He says, "I removed the burden from their shoulders; their hands were set free from the basket.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"Now I will take the load from your shoulders; I will free your hands from their heavy tasks.
English Standard Version (©2001)
“I relieved your shoulder of the burden; your hands were freed from the basket.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"I relieved his shoulder of the burden, His hands were freed from the basket.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"I removed the burden from his shoulder. His hands were freed from the basket.
King James Bible
I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the pots.
American King James Version
I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the pots.
American Standard Version
I removed his shoulder from the burden: His hands were freed from the basket.
Bible in Basic English
I took the weight from his back; his hands were made free from the baskets.
Douay-Rheims Bible
He removed his back from the burdens: his hands had served in baskets.
Darby Bible Translation
I removed his shoulder from the burden; his hands were freed from the basket.
English Revised Version
I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were freed from the basket.
Webster's Bible Translation
I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the pots.
World English Bible
"I removed his shoulder from the burden. His hands were freed from the basket.
Young's Literal Translation
From the burden his shoulder I turned aside, His hands from the basket pass over.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
I removed his shoulder from the burden - The burden which the people of Israel were called to hear in Egypt. The reference is undoubtedly to their burdens in making bricks, and conveying them to the place where they were to be used; and perhaps also to the fact that they were required to carry stone in building houses and towns for the Egyptians. Compare Exodus 1:11-14; Exodus 5:4-17. The meaning is, that he had saved them from these burdens, to wit, by delivering them from their hard bondage. The speaker here evidently is God. In the previous verse it is the people. Such a change of person is not uncommon in the Scriptures.
His hands were delivered from the pots - Margin, as in Hebrew, passed away. That is, they were separated from them, or made free. The word rendered pots usually has that signification. Job 41:20; 1 Samuel 2:14; 2 Chronicles 35:13; but it may also mean a basket. Jeremiah 24:2; 2 Kings 10:7. The latter is probably the meaning here. The allusion is to baskets which might have been used in carrying clay, or conveying the bricks after they were made: perhaps a kind of hamper that was swung over the shoulders, with clay or bricks in each - somewhat like the instrument used now by the Chinese in carrying tea - or like the neck-yoke which is employed in carrying sap where maple sugar is manufactured, or milk on dairy farms. There are many representations on Egyptian sculptures which would illustrate this. The idea is that of a burden, or task, and the allusion is to the deliverance that was accomplished by removing them to another land.
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Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
I removed his shoulder from the burden,.... These are the words of God, declaring how he had delivered the Israelites from the oppression and cruelty of the Egyptians; who made their lives bitter in hard bondage, and obliged them to carry heavy loads of bricks upon their shoulders:
his hands were delivered from the pots, or "baskets" (c); into which the bricks were put when made, and carried on their shoulders; or from making of pots, as Kimchi, who thinks the Israelites were employed in making pots of clay as well as bricks; see Psalm 68:13, the Targum is,
"his hands withdrew themselves from casting clay into the pots:''
the whole is typical of the saints' deliverance by Christ from the bondage of sin, Satan, and the law.
(c) "a sporta, a cophino", Gejerus, Amama, Michaelis.
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Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
It is a gentle but profoundly earnest festival discourse which God the Redeemer addresses to His redeemed people. It begins, as one would expect in a Passover speech, with a reference to the סבלות of Egypt (Exodus 1:11-14; Exodus 5:4; Exodus 6:6.), and to the duwd, the task-basket for the transport of the clay and of the bricks (Exodus 1:14; Exodus 5:7.).
(Note: In the Papyrus Leydensis i. 346 the Israelites are called the "Aperiu (עברים), who dragged along the stones for the great watch-tower of the city of Rameses," and in the Pap. Leyd. i. 349, according to Lauth, the "Aperiu, who dragged along the stones for the storehouse of the city of Rameses.")
Out of such distress did He free the poor people who cried for deliverance (Exodus 2:23-25); He answered them בּסתר רעם, i.e., not (according to Psalm 22:22; Isaiah 32:2): affording them protection against the storm, but (according to Psalm 18:12; Psalm 77:17.): out of the thunder-clouds in which He at the same time revealed and veiled Himself, casting down the enemies of Israel with His lightnings, which is intended to refer pre-eminently to the passage through the Red Sea (vid., Psalm 77:19); and He proved them (אבחנך, with ŏ contracted from ō, cf. on Job 35:6) at the waters of Merbah, viz., whether they would trust Him further on after such glorious tokens of His power and loving-kindness. The name "Waters of Merı̂bah," which properly is borne only by Merı̂bath Kadesh, the place of the giving of water in the fortieth year (Numbers 20:13; Numbers 27:14; Deuteronomy 32:51; Deuteronomy 33:8), is here transferred to the place of the giving of water in the first year, which was named Massah u-Merı̂bah (Exodus 17:7), as the remembrances of these two miracles, which took place under similar circumstances, in general blend together (vid., on Psalm 95:8.). It is not now said that Israel did not act in response to the expectation of God, who had son wondrously verified Himself; the music, as Seal imports, here rises, and makes a long and forcible pause in what is being said. What now follows further, are, as the further progress of Psalm 81:12 shows, the words of God addressed to the Israel of the desert, which at the same time with its faithfulness are brought to the remembrance of the Israel of the present. העיד בּ, as in Psalm 50:7; Deuteronomy 8:19, to bear testimony that concerns him against any one. אם (according to the sense, o si, as in Psalm 95:7, which is in many ways akin to this Psalm) properly opens a searching question which wishes that the thing asked may come about (whether thou wilt indeed give me a willing hearing?!). In Psalm 81:10 the key-note of the revelation of the Law from Sinai is struck: the fundamental command which opens the decalogue demanded fidelity to Jahve and forbade idol-worship as the sin of sins. אל זר is an idol in opposition to the God of Israel as the true God; and אל נכר, a strange god in opposition to the true God as the God of Israel. To this one God Israel ought to yield itself all the more undividedly and heartily as it was more manifestly indebted entirely to Him, who in His condescension had chosen it, and in His wonder-working might had redeemed it (המּעלך, part. Hiph. with the eh elided, like הפּדך, Deuteronomy 13:6, and אכלך, from כּלּה, Exodus 33:3); and how easy this submission ought to have been to it, since He desired nothing in return for the rich abundance of His good gifts, which satisfy and quicken body and soul, but only a wide-opened mouth, i.e., a believing longing, hungering for mercy and eager for salvation (Psalm 119:131)!
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Geneva Study Bible
I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the {f} pots.
(f) If they were never able to give sufficient thanks to God, for this deliverance from corporal bondage, how much more are we indebted to him for our spiritual deliverance from the tyranny of Satan and sin?
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Wesley's Notes
81:6 Pots - This word denotes all those vessels wherein they carried water, straw, lime, or bricks.
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King James Translators' Notes
were...: Heb. passed away
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Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
6. God's language alludes to the burdensome slavery of the Israelites.
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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
81:1-7 All the worship we can render to the Lord is beneath his excellences, and our obligations to him, especially in our redemption from sin and wrath. What God had done on Israel's behalf, was kept in remembrance by public solemnities. To make a deliverance appear more gracious, more glorious, it is good to observe all that makes the trouble we are delivered from appear more grievous. We ought never to forget the base and ruinous drudgery to which Satan, our oppressor, brought us. But when, in distress of conscience, we are led to cry for deliverance, the Lord answers our prayers, and sets us at liberty. Convictions of sin, and trials by affliction, prove his regard to his people. If the Jews, on their solemn feast-days, were thus to call to mind their redemption out of Egypt, much more ought we, on the Christian sabbath, to call to mind a more glorious redemption, wrought out for us by our Lord Jesus Christ, from worse bondage.
Isaiah 9:4 For as in the day of Midian's defeat, you have shattered the yoke that burdens them, the bar across their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor.
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Isaiah 10:27 In that day their burden will be lifted from your shoulders, their yoke from your neck; the yoke will be broken because you have grown so fat.
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Aside Basket Baskets Burden Delivered Free Freed Hands Pass Pots Relieved Removed Shoulder Shoulders Weight
Basket Baskets Burden Delivered Free Freed Hands Pots Relieved Removed Shoulder Shoulders Turned Weight
Basket Baskets Burden Delivered Free Freed Hands Pots Relieved Removed Shoulder Shoulders Turned Weight
I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the pots.
I removed Ex 1:14 6:6 Isa 9:4 10:27 Mt 11:29
were delivered. Heb. passed away. from the pots. or rather, as dood also signifies 2Ki 10:7 Jer 24:2
the basket: so LXXX and Symmachus, and Vulgate and Jerome, cophino; and Diodati, his hands were removed from the baskets. I.E. says he in a note, from carrying earth to make bricks. Ex 1:14 Ps 68:13
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Haaj, I just re-read this again, and I removed the camel driver insult, it was not appropiate and I should not have said it. I appologise to you, I was agatated by the post and the Bible quotes. I just want to say here if we, myself included, are going to insist on quoting the Bible, lets get the correct interpretations up, both books are flawed and have to be proven, but we can at least be in truth as to its agreed upon researched original words, that can give it some meaning. Thats what I am saying.
when jesus uses the word son in reference to his diety the S is always capitalized.
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
see, only God can accept worship and the S is capitalized. that should end the diety problem.
okay one more:
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Interesting to note about this verse and the previous verses, is that, jesus being crucified, hanging on a cross for 6hrs after being beaten, whipped and horribly punished beyond recognition, just before he GAVE up the ghost, he cried with a loud voice! Now crucifixion drains a persons strength, little bit by little bit, slowly, the body sags, the head drops and hangs limp on the torso, indeed the life is being sucked out steadily, evenly, continually. A person has to raise themselves with their legs to breathe, suffocation is the main cause of death on the cross. But jesus cried out with a loud voice, something in christ rose up strong during those lasts few seconds when He should have been drained of all strenght, recall, he did not have enough strength to carry his cross, another carried it for him. But the strength of God when the spirit of God entered back into jesus (that is another sermon :0) jesus strength, from God, strengthened jesus and he cried with a loud voice when he should not have had any voice at all.
Heres the scriptures:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a LOUD voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a LOUD voice, yielded up the ghost.
I cannot now or ever be Almighty God. I don't have His knowledge or wisdom about anything.
And I am pretty sure his hair is long and curly, it is in all his pictures, he doubt that he would be seen dead with a topper like yours dude
All of the images of god are incorrect, remember
"You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; (Dagon was a fish god of another religion) you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments".
and
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
and
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
so all images are imagined.
Remember what? that you choose to tell me what god does or does not look like? You think too highly of yourself, by your own terms.
Anyway - this random post you pulled out of someone else's conversation was about jesus. And as we know thre is NO verifiable evidence that he existed at all, except a bunch of stuff - mostly written few hundred years after the supposed event and constantly re-written to put any slant anyone wants on them
I already understand. And no I'm not God, and neither are you, and neither is any human.
That just shows you don't listen to Jesus' teaching very well.
No, it shows that I DID listen.
And that I DON'T listen to the projections of a self-proclaimed "possessed witch doctor" either! (as the OP's profile claims to be.)
Actually, again you've lack the understanding. Jesus' SAID IT HIMSELF are you blind or just purposely being foolish in your own testimony?
Look above in the post by Paar, who quotes it from scripture. Or did you MISS that part of the scripture? Duh!
Edit: Not only is it in the Quran, but ALSO the Bible itself.
No, I haven't missed those verses at all.
I've read them.
And I've seen them mis-interpreted by both nonBelievers and Believers.
Sad, really.
You claim the Bible is now accurate? Oh wait, I mean you are cherry picking that a verse or two in it is correct?
I don't claim the bible is accurate. I claim the bible is a part of the overall history of humankind. There is a difference. People interpret the bible as they see fit, yet have no concept of what a metaphorical parable is?
If you refuse to understand what a metaphorical parable is, then you have taken the entire bible out of context. That's is my point.
Not buying it Cags. Normally you trash anything and everyone christian. I think you like these verses as they support your thoughts of being a god. Yup, I think that is it
Hey Holly,
Do you control your thoughts?
Do you control your actions?
Just answer those two questions and should you say no to either of them, then you fail to understand Jesus' teaching.
But, you keep on believing you do.
By controlling both- YOU ARE A GOD in YOUR Life!
Simple to understand and you can refuse it all you want.
so control make a person a God.. so what happens when they lose control either by situation or by depression or by the act of naturalism upon them or by drug usage, either prescription or banned substance?
are they then a devil?
and how do i interpret
1 Peter 1:16 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy".
or psalm
Psalms 69:34 "Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moves therein".
or
Psalms 109:30 I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise him among the multitude.
or
Psalms 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
or
Psalms 150:2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
problem with your inference of knowledge is that 3/4 of the book you try to assimilate into your vain doctrine has to be thrown away.
refuse that all you want. I am sure you will.
Any random book will have some accuracies. Even the bible novel was at least based in a recogniseable place and time, even if NONE of the central characters were actually there.
What you wrote is different than using words from one of your "central characters".
?? h.a.borich is referring to words spoken by one of your so called "central characters", which is what Cagsil debated. Your support to the statement of "accuracies" is by setting and time. Two completely different things.
Oh right I forgot that the bible novel has many different accuracies depending on who is being beaten around the head with it
of course it is - it has always been completely accurate to both sides in every christian war. This is how the US managed to get away with slaughter in Iraq - 'they' are not christian and the completely accurate book supports that little shrug of the shoulders and turned away face that allows you to 'justify' such horrendous actions, just as it 'accurately' has for nearly 2000 years.
Maybe it was man and not the book. Is that what society taught us? To blame an object instead of ourselves? That is not what the BIBLE teaches.
That is EXACTLY what the bible teaches - it DEMANDS that you abdicate responsibility to an ancient myth rather than take responsibility yourself for your own actions as a human being.
That's not what I get out of reading it. The BIBLE demands nothing. It gives you the opportunity to make a choice. What did you choose?
Then you're interpreting it wrong and not actually using a translation.
The OT DEMANDS loyalty and obedience. The NT uses "guilt" to force on a supposed choice. Each tells you to negate rational conscious thought, so as to implement irrational blind faith.
No true. As explained above.
I choose to not give up my conscious free thinking thoughts which I was born with for a guilt laden life.
For someone who thinks the BIBLE is inaccurate, you sure use it a lot to support your belief. So, basically what your saying is, I should believe your interpretation. Your interpretation based off a book that you think is inaccurate. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Where do I sign up. LOL.
See, that's the same mistake everyone else has made also. It's not a belief.
I have not interpreted the bible, nor do I claim to have done so. Please refrain from making up claims I do not make.
Again, same mistake.
Mocking what you don't understand is your usual tactic and understood why you do it. It's fine.
Webster wrote:
Definition of INTERPRET
transitive verb
1
: to explain or tell the meaning of : present in understandable terms <interpret dreams> <needed help interpreting the results>
2
: to conceive in the light of individual belief, judgment, or circumstance : construe <interpret a contract>
3
: to represent by means of art : bring to realization by performance or direction <interprets a role>
Cagsil wrote:
"If you refuse to understand what a metaphorical parable is, then you have taken the entire bible out of context. That's is my point."
"Actually, again you've lack the understanding. Jesus' SAID IT HIMSELF are you blind or just purposely being foolish in your own testimony? hmm"
"I don't claim the bible is accurate. I claim the bible is a part of the overall history of humankind. There is a difference. People interpret the bible as they see fit, yet have no concept of what a metaphorical parable is?
These sure seem like interpretations to me, or did you make up your own interpretation for the definition of interpretation as well?
I mock nothing. If you can't see the irony in your posts I can't help you interpret them. And this is all from just one thread. How many other threads do you carry on like this?
Again, you see it as interpretation. Hence, why you lack understanding. You can point out the word interpretation, but I noticed you didn't bring the word "translation" to the table.
Again, you are mocking it, because you're twisting what was said. You see it as "interpretation" because you refuse to see it as "translation".
But, nice try.
It really detracts from your credibility, but whatever you have to say to convince yourself you are right is fine with me.
It detracts from credibility? You're kidding right. Just because you cannot understand the difference between "interpretation" and "translation", it has nothing to do with my credibility.
However, it does show your lack of knowledge and wisdom of life.
Webster says:
Definition of TRANSLATION
1
: an act, process, or instance of translating: as
a : a rendering from one language into another; also : the product of such a rendering
b : a change to a different substance, form, or appearance : conversion
c (1) : a transformation of coordinates in which the new axes are parallel to the old ones (2) : uniform motion of a body in a straight line
2
: the process of forming a protein molecule at a ribosomal site of protein synthesis from information contained in messenger RNA — compare transcription 3
— trans·la·tion·al adjective
Yeah, I can't understand the difference. LOL, my lack of knowledge. LOL If you keep digging like this you'll reach China before the nights over. LOL.
Here: Metaphors are not interpreted, they are translated.
Simple enough.
Religious scripture was written in metaphoric parables. Got it?
LOL, so now what you're saying is that you translated all of the metaphoric parables with 0 interpretation. This just keeps getting better. LOL
You seems to laugh when you don't grasp something and apparently you're not the brightest light bulb, considering you have to discern what is myth and what is history from the bible.
The simple fact that you believe the entire bible is truth is your failing. You fail to realize much of isn't to be considered at all, because it's only myth. DUH!
A few pages back you were actually debating interpretations and translations, and now you say it is all myth ? Get help asap - and forget the silly notion you are a god who has all the flipping answers!
You should read it again. This time try harder.
What choice exactly does your novel offer - It says quite clearly "follow these words or burn in hell" - I choose to regard it as an interesting novel that tells us a little about the history and life of the times but hardly ever mentions the war going on all around and also fails to mention that there were loads of guys running around saying they were the messiah come to save the Jews and getting crucified for insurrection.
It says a lot of things, and offers a choice to live for eternity, and lets everyone know they will stand before God for judgment.
That's a similar choice most dictators and despots offer, too. Join them or die horribly. Some choice.
Yeah, well, not everything is rainbows and butterflies. We're going to die, and I hope to see you up there Beelz.
You might want to read it again. The Bible is heavy on being accountable and responsible for our actions.
That is what I said above - it is heavy on being responsible for your actions and accountable to a mythical being - not to humanity.
The new testament contains much about how we are to feed, clothe and help, etc everyone we can. You may have missed the majority of the New Testament if you didn't catch that part.
You mean that small part that denies the big part ever happened?
Earnest - I have to take issue with this.
The whole thing - true, accurate, real or constructed - was about a revolutionary change. As I understand it, the old part was the history and in some ways the philosophy of thngs up to the point - the new part was describing the change, and so saying that all the old ways were history and over. As I read it - it also says that there should be another change (prophesies for some, maybe just wishful thinking by the writer) about now. This would mean that all those who follow the new half (while acting like the old half) will be redundant with the change.
What do you think ?
I must say, I can't pin down what believers make of the OT.
The problem for religionists is that the OT would have been accepted by the great unwashed of the time and the threats would have been effective to control the masses.
The NT claims connection with the OT through this same entity.
The entity is psychotic no matter if it be myth, fantasy or truth.
The intent was to terrify, cheat and lie.
There is no escaping the insanity of a belief in the son of an entity like that presented in the OT in my view.
I agree as you know, I was thinking more of the change from the old to the new and the change that same book foretells about now.
oh no earnest
pee
totally his fault
in case you don t know me, im just blowing off steam, though rarely serious
oh and btw aqua I like that brenda, why everybody says................ xo
You claimed that there are recognizable places and settings, times in the "Bible novel", but that the central charachters of the Bible never existed....so why is Cags bent that Jesus (who I take to be a central charachter of the Bible) being misunderstood. Get it now?
I am not claiming the actual setting, it is well known fact proveable by outside references of the time, archaeological evidence and especially Roman records. The main character has dialogue written by somebody, who is not the issue here as you can claim it is god and I can claim it is a person, misunderstanding the dialogue is no issue whrever it comes from. Analysis of any text is open to interpretation, Cags is reading it one way and you another - nothing new or unusual in this I think?
I am not claiming that the central character, or any of the characters did not exist - I am just pointing out that there is no evidence of any kind that they did. Their appearance in a text is no more evidence than (say) Dracula existing.
Did you run that by Cags? You might be blaspheming
Thomas Aquinas says that “it is clear that blasphemy, which is a sin committed directly against God, is more grave than murder, which is a sin against one's neighbor.
As I said above - accountable and responsibel to a mythical being but not to humanity.
I agree Brenda, we are not, and have "not" been given sactions by God to be so.
Hey Dutchman, the word "god" is a metaphor.
When Jesus said "Ye are all gods", he meant that each person is a god in their own life. They control their own thoughts and actions.
Each person has the ability to master themselves, know themselves and their own power.
The word "god" is a metaphor equal to "self mastery".
Cags, when one applies their own interpretation to a few verses of the Bible and calls it truth, many troubles arise. First, if the verses interpretted contradict the rest of the Bible - it cannot be correct interpretation.
Secondly, when a mere man takes his interpretation that contradicts the rest of the Bible, and insists it is "truth" that all others must recognise - he is in danger of becoming a religious flake at best.
I seriously think you have accepted these verses on your terms as they support the cagsil religion. That you are hostile in your demands that others must accept the truth "as only you" interpret it - smells funny.
Rethink it, and admit you have chery picked for Heavens sake
Actually this is the issue that I have been saying.
We must begin with the earliest scriptures available and learn to understand them "FIRST" without letting later teachings influence our understanding of the earliest.
Build upon that; making every attempt to NOT interject any of our own understanding upon what we are reading.
Holly, I am not applying interpretation. I really wish you would pay attention more closely. My words are not interpretation or opinion. They are translation. Please try to get it correct.
There is nothing I am doing to interpret the bible. I've done the work need, just like the scholars of the pass have. I am using the correct translation, so as to add context to the words which were used.
That only happens when interpretation is used, like that of Paul in the New Testament, who used a literal interpretation instead of translation.
This is foolish, because I have no wish to start a religion and had you paid attention to the words I used, then you would obviously know this. I wish to END all mystic religion.
Again, you use the word interpret. You continue to think wrong, as usual. Pay attention please...interpretation is NOT translation.
You speak of a blind person. Which isn't a surprise.
Cags,
Save your patronizing, I read just fine You being correct is a debatable point. I find it very hard to believe you can rank yourself as a Bible scholar or expert when you continue to claim faith is foolishness.
This may come as a shock, but your arrogance is all I see when you judge christians for not following doctrine in the way YOU understand it. If someone believes different than you, you call them names and insinuate they are stupid or deranged. It is clear you consider yourself above the human race, which makes you look mentally unbalanced.
Has it occurred to you that your interpretations or translations may be inaccurate? Maybe you don't know everything?
When debating an issue, you should just stick to what is pertinent to the debate rather than attempt to discredit your opposition. You are just another human being.
Then do it for once.
I'm sure you will have problems with it, because you don't want your faith challenged. Thus, your defense. What you fail to realize is that you can only defend, because your skewed view is never offensive thinking. It's only defensible.
You know, I don't claim to be ranked with any moron who supposedly became a scholar for the church. Greed was their motive and isn't mine. So please, look is patronizing now.
If you actually LIVED in doctrine, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. If you're able to understand that then go ask your local priest.
Not really, but I can see how your skewed view perceives it that way.
Only to your skewed view, like all the other religious folk. And You would be foolish to think that I consider myself above all the rest, considering everything else that has been said.
Yes, it had occurred many years ago, which was the reason for deeper study on the subject. Duh?
Again, you open mouth and insert your own foot. I don't claim to know everything there is to know. And, why you continue to run your mouth, saying that I am making that claim is ridiculous.
You're right, I am another human being, who isn't swayed by religious bullsh!t!
Well if you claim God created you, you are an extension of him and therefore, you are God.
It is totally incorrect; God is never born and He never dies. I am only a humble servant of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
Jesus was born of Mary; and Mary was neither a god that she could bear a god nor she ever had a husband named god; so Jesus was a human being flesh and bone etc like Moses, while in status Jesus had a lower status than Moses.
I am not God. I know this because I have none of the supernatural aspects often attached to gods. I have no supernatural powers. I cannot conjure matter by mere thought or control the weather or force people to hand over their virgins as a sacrifice.
Yes, but we dont know what it mean, dont know what to do with it and constantly forget it.
:-)
awesome dope, right with ya babe
sorry but your OP is for shock value period. And was happy to contribute.
Although in your defence, my first husband was god to him
lost
nice to meet you however
Kimberly
God is immortal, are you?
God is mighty powerful, create the universe and world, are you?
God is do not have desire, are you?
God is do not tired, are you?
but i think, you are just bunch of human, full with arrogance and ego that make you think you are god.....rethink...
It’s all relative. I am god to the ant that I am currently looking at. I decide whether he lives or dies.
No doubt the same decision is constantly being evaluated as to me. If I suddenly stop posting in these forums…
Has someone been reading Stranger in a Strange Land again?
Chosen Ignorance is the blissful nature of the religious folk. They read yet not comprehend or admit their flawed belief.
You're expected to agree with a religious person and disagree with me. It shows dishonesty in learning. No doubt about that.
Truth is in the eye of the beholder and you are but ONE
that is beholding it.
That is all any of us are saying ... but it seems that you do not see that. Or refuse to?
Again, you show your lack of knowledge. Truth is NOT in the eye of the beholder. You use a pathetic verse that applies to something else for something that isn't the same. WOW!
Wow back atcha.. dude.
Who died and made YOU the authority ??
That's your problem Jerami, you keep looking at it as I am claiming to be an authority, which is apparently something you continue to look for, but also dismiss at the same time.
Talk about foolish running in circles.
The fact that you continue to run the conversation in circles simply proves you lack the understanding needed to govern proper rationalized thought.
But, thank you for proving to everyone else. Much appreciated. I can sit back and wait for more foolish circular talk from you from now on. Good going.
You are the one going around telling everyone they are delusional, because they disagree with you.
As if "YOU" get to decide who is ignorant and who isn't.
There will always be opinions other than your own. That doesn't make everyone else wrong! ... Or stupid.
Yes - those christians really don't like it when anyone else uses their tactics do they I guess being 'blinded by the light' should be patented to stop others horning in on it
Cagsil, you act like you are your own God, and I observed that from the pattern of your behavior. I can imagine how much you love the topic of this thread.
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If he sticks to his guns on what he believes - you call him a brain dead religionist.
If he asks questions - you call him inferior.
Whatever Jerami posts - you ridicule him.
Why is that?
I don't call him brain dead, just not very conscious in understanding.
When he asks foolish nonsense question I ask him to think before he opens his mouth, just like I ask you to do the same thing, but you don't listen.
Why do I ridicule him? I do not such thing, it isn't ridicule if he talks nonsense to begin with.
Why is what? As I explained, it's not ridicule if he speak rationalize or sanely. It may appear that way, because like him, you have a skewed view.
All of this seems pretty ridiculous who gives a rats rearend about god, God,GOD, you god, me god or us god. I am not an animal! (huff huff huff) I am a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Care to try the "doctrine" of your religion? I suppose not, because then you really have no basis to stand on.
So much for following along your religion.
The Old Testament was all about an external god.
The New Testament is all about guilt with an internal god.
The Old Testament is of much history with regards to specific people and what happened. However, even with that said- if you incorporate the time and evolution status of consciousness among human beings, then you find out that approximately 99% of the world's population wasn't conscious enough to even be aware of their own existence.
The New Testament, brought forth by Paul, the Church and Plato's influence, then you have an entire man-made "testimony" to prevent the perceived notion- "if humankind was not made to answer to a higher authority, either a god or government, then chaos would ensue", from happening.
The average person cannot be trusted to do what's right. They are not allowed to have the perceived notion that they are already in control of their life, because they cannot be believed to do what's best for humanity, much less themselves.
Wrong, guilt comes from Satan, the NT is about liberty, freedom and Grace. God brings conviction, not guilt.
And you know this because?
Got any archaeological or written evidence (by a non participant) to empirically prove that point?.... (is that the correct criterion you guys demand?)
But chaos has happened.... despite your 'enlightenment' movement.
So I presume that we need to leave running the world to 'enlightened' thinkers like you?
This last statement is the double speak of the politico after your vote so that he can run the world as he knows will be best for you.... honest! and yet so often these dictators end up killing their populace.... sorry, think I'll miss this chance to submit to your superior thinking process.
Oh my
"The average person cannot be trusted to do what is right."
So on one hand you are saying people are "gods", but on the other hand people are not trustworthy.
On one hand you say that the Bible is a sham to control people, but on the other hand you say people need to be controlled?
What a mess. You really should make up your mind before you try to come off so "wise" because you simply look like another foolish mortal to me.
I am a religious person and I believe in God, therefore, I can't say I am God in plain words.
But aren’t we all believers and non believers God? For we believers God exists everywhere. We never have seen God but we still believe. Without logic, without a proof we admit the existence of God that means we cherish a God in our heart and undoubtedly God lives in the believers soul. God lives in our thoughts and beliefs so we are God except the fact that if we don't believe; God will not extinct.
I would say you are a non believer until you know you are God.
the focal point of the bible is the diefication of man. God wants to make man God in essence, not in the God to worshipped. Man will be made God not in the Godhead to be worshipped but in nature, life, and expression. that is, God is working Himself into man until he becomes the same with God in expression , life and nature. for instance, God is righteous by nature , man will enjoy God to the extent that man's righteousness will just be God expressed. this is the meaning of 'do you know you are gods' found in the book of Psalm
Do You you are God?
I want to draw your attention to the following verses in the Bible:
John 10:34
Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods?
Psalms 81:6
I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
So Jesus was god or son of god in the meanings as mentioned in the above usage of Bible. Jesus was not god or son of god in the literal and physical sense.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
I know that i am part of everything seen, and unseen. But God in a Judeo-Christian,Islamic, or any organized religious view.... No!
That God does not exist but only, in the needful minds of the foolish multitudes in an attempt to define the world around them and their own superstitions of it.
Just my opinion! Peace ~ greg Z
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