Any Catholics here remember the Latin Mass?

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years ago

   It was before my time but I've been to it and like it very much. what are your thoughts? [Please discuss!]

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      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I remember it, and also served as an Altar Boy in several growing up in Rhode Island.
      
      It was a beautiful presentation, kind of mystical in truth. 
      
      But un-necessary as most had no idea of the worship  (by that I mean the actual methods going on, the work the Priest's did during the Mass)   not worship like prayer, but the ritual, the motions, expressions, symbols used.
      
      Reasons never explained fully to Parishioners.

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         LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Not a catholic anymore, but I remember. Those were called High Masses and were performed on specific occasions, and if anything drastic had occurred in the country or area.
         
         We followed along and had no idea what was being said. We kneeled when they said kneel and repeated what we were told to repeat.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Pretty much sums up your religion really.

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               LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Not really....
               
               How is that new SEO software working for you?  Are you still getting good results?

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         fingerpointer6posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         i am a alter sever

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      jessyferari1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I do remember the lating mass pretty well because i would laugh like the whole time in church.... thinking about it still cracks me up! cos there were so many that didn't know what was being said and some just had forgotten but of course we humans must not act like we don't know so u find a lot of people making up stuff as they go.

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         fingerpointer6posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         how old were you when you went to a ladin mass jessy

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      fingerpointer6posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      yes what that lady said it was a long time ago and you know us (cath)s are from latin but nowa days we only say a few latin words in mass what about your mass

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   There is a church near my home that still does the mass in Latin.I haven't been but imagine it would be an interesting experience. Special and mysterious. Like Gregorian Chant.

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      fingerpointer6posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      you are so lucky i have never been. but herd it is very intresting. mighty mom this is to you
      
      
      

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   alternate poetposted 12 years ago

   The Latin mass is elitist, there is no reason why the congregation should not be able to understand what is being said.  Maybe you prefer not to know?  because when you do understand it sounds ridiculous.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ahh, but I do understand! Read my hubs on it

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         alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Then you already know how ridiculous it is

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            elitiest-The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
            
            I had to look that up.
            
            yes, well many groups are elitiest, like the red sox or aerosmith. I don't think there's something wrong, it may just be a *preference* like in my case.
            
            I do understand the sermons- where I go they are not too complicated
            and learning something new is something I would think you'd approve of in the sense of philosophy etc--but maybe not
            
            some of us are enthralled by the intelliegence and logic of Bishop Williamson- again one of my hubs
            
            As for understanding Latin, ,my friend--I do! And it only took a few months to "follow the Mass in Latin"
            
            Many are missing out on a great gem. And (again) please research this

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               alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I don't need to look it up - I lived it.  In my childhood forced attendances the mass was always in Laatin.  One of the main reasons it was changed to local language was because it was perceived as being elitist to with-hold the meaning from most of the congregation.   Maybe you should go look it up again.
               
               By ridiculous I was not referring to sermons - which were not a part of the catholic mass except on specific occasions - I was referring to the ridiculous calling down of a spirit and the gibberish pantomime of it all.

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Well it may seem like a proud institution but I do like it so that's my choice
                  
                  As for the rest- well we are entitled to belive as we wish & I think someone here pointed out the presence of God being felt
                  
                  Do you believe in God still? do you feel this led you away from God?

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   I beg to disagree, my esteemed friend AP.
   I have sat through many an unintelligible sermon in my time.
   And would you call Pentacostal services elitist?
   Speaking in tongues -- does the congregation understand what's being said? Or do they just pretend to

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      alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Do Pentecostals hold their mumbo jumbo ceremonies in latin ?
      
      Speaking in tongues is a simple mental aberration and anyone who tells you that they were spoken to in their 'native' tongue is a liar.  If this were not the case then we would have loads of recordings to verify it.
      
      If I am a little grumpy today and not so nice in my replies I started the day badly with the disgusting thread about hte gay guy who was hounded to death wile the religious folk intimated that it was no big deal on the part of the perpetrators, the inference being that the guy deserved it.
      
      Anyway - Hi MM

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         LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
         
         And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
         
         Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.Acts 2:4-6 King James Version
         
         And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages,* as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.
         
         Now there were stuying in Jerusalem God‑fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
         
         When they heard this sound, they came running to see what it was all about, [b]and they were bewildered to hear their own languages being spoken by the believers.[b] Acts 2:4-6 New Living Version
         
         Are you also bewildered?

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            alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I might be if someone recorded the thoudands of fake blabbering that is claimed to be talking in tongues - then I would be able to 'understand' along with my Chinese partner in our own languages     BUT it can't be done, can it - I think you are the one who is bewildered !

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               LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Alternate,
               
               Forgive me,  I meant no offense with the bewildered comment.... I meant does it seem odd to you that other tongues could be what the Bible says they are...
               
               For instance, if there is a sovereign God [I believe there is], would it be hard for Him to cause one to speak in tongues and for another to hear it tongues in their native language?

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                  alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  If any of the things you believe were remotely true, and by some amazing chance they were remotely accurate, then it should not be any problem for a super-being to tweak a bit of language.  BUT it has never been done, never been recorded where we can all listen to it and hear it miraculously in our own language - BUT it never has - this would be proof for anyone in any subject except religion where none of the things you all profess to 'know' have ever ever ever been proved.  And don't quote me tales from the book, this is an easy one to prove NOW and in real life - go record someone speaking in tongues and let us hear it.

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                     LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     It amazes me how we can be so adamant about what NEVER has been done...
                     
                     I really could provide you with a visual and an audio of someone speaking in tongues, but it wouldn't matter, because you choose not to believe....
                     That's the same logic the devil tried to pull on Jesus, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself off this cliff. If God saves you then I will believe."
                     
                     Please, It would be better to just say, "I don;t care what you show me, I simply do not believe" and, be done with it.

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                        alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        OH  -  you have the proof but shoose not to share it with anyone else because they would not believe it anyway.
                        
                        "I am a Princess! I am !!   whether you believe it or not!!"  Sylvia Smith, infant school, age 5.
                        
                        You do not have proof of speaking in tongues, you do not have any proof of any part of your religion, and you cannot even prove your god exists.
                        
                        Your religion started with pre-stone age man sitting on a hill with his mouth open gazing at the sun and moon and wondering what they are .  Since then the sun and moon have been explained but that guy on the hill just keeps staring up anyway with his mouth open in wonder at the roundness and brightness of them.  You need to get over yourself, there is NO proof of anything you claim - it is your right to believe what you like and I wish you joy and happiness on your hill - but DON'T insult the intelligence of others by making false claims and false statements.

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                           LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I know you're not challenging me.... I certainly do have proof. I have proof of everything that I have said to you.
                           
                           As I said earlier, you wouldn't believe it if the Holy Ghost fell on you and you began to speak in other tongues right where you sit.
                           
                           You would consider it a figment of your imagination or some sort of involuntary electrical shortage in your system.
                           
                           You want proof ???.... tell you what, I dare you to drop to your knees and sincerely tell God that you want to know if he exists, ask Him to prove Himself to you. Ask Him to show you if tongues are real...I absolutely dare you to do it...
                           
                           I know you won't do it, because you angry and bitter. You can feel the venom on every word you type. I don't know who hurt you, but it wasn't me and it wasn't God.
                           
                           Do you dare take the dare I have presented to you?

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                              alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              How about you stop projecting the bitterness of failed religion onto me and just prove the original point - you say you have proof - I know that you are a liar.

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                                 LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Just found something you might like....
                                 
                                 It is an 8 minute video on YouTube entitled "Speaking inTongues Medical Study proves  Holy Spirit Praying"

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                                    alternate poetposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    You mean that with all the speaking tongu events there is no actual proof - you need to resort to Youtube twaddle - pleeease.   anyway I can't access Youtube here in China as it is blocked for being loaded with pornography and faked video clip  information.

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                                       LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Oh, I didn't know you had limited access. Tell me,
                                       if I load a video into a hub would you be able to see it?

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         LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Altenante,
         
         Here is a recording of it:
         
         And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
         
         And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation[/b under heaven.
         
         Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that [b][i]every man[/i heard them speak in his own language. Acts 2:4-6 King James Version
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         And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages,* as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.
         
         Now there were staying in Jerusalem God‑fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
         
         When they heard this sound, they came running to see what it was all about, and they were bewildered to hear their own languages being spoken by the believers. Acts 2:4-6 new Living Version

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      fingerpointer6posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      really old lady

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   CMHypnoposted 12 years ago

   I remember the Latin masses being said from when I was a very little girl. It was also the days when you had to dress up and wear a hat and gloves to church.  It was just the way it was back then, and it seemed very strange at first when they switched to English mass.
   
   I don't go to church any more, but some people really enjoy the mass in Latin, so I can't see any harm in some priests/or on some occasions the Latin mass being used

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      thanks
      I really think this is one of the reasons people don't go to church anymore,
      but that's up for discussion too.

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         CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I actually remember quite enjoying the Latin masses, and they certainly had no bearing on why I no longer go to church.  This is a very big world with lots of different types of people in it, so I see no reason why Latin masses should not be continued for the people who do enjoy them.
         
         It seems to me that the world would be a lot happier and more peaceful place, if we just worked out how we like to do things and let other people do the same.  It's not a case of 'my way is the only way', we can all be different.  I personally do not like cricket, but I'm not going to knock it or try and get it banned just because it is not my personal cup of tea.  Same with Latin masses - if some people enjoy them and find them spiritually rewarding that is their choice and they should be available for those people

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            agreed

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   prayersposted 12 years ago

   I like the Latin mass.  There are several Churches here that have a Latin mass regularly.  I like languages so I like learning the prayers and hymns in Latin.  It also seems quieter and more reverent somehow.  I don't go every week, but I do go when my schedule allows.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      that's great.

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   lrohnerposted 12 years ago

   I love attending mass in Latin. There is still one church in the area that does a weekly Latin mass. Since mass was mostly said in Latin when I was growing up, it gives me a very warm and comforting feeling. I swear I would still be able to recite half of it if I tried. "Et cum spiritu tuo."

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Lol Dominus Vobiscum.......

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         Hugh Williamsonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I always thought it was "Dominic, go frisk 'em.

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            LeslieAdrienneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            

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   kashmir56posted 12 years ago

   Yes i remember it, i served as a alter boy in Massachusetts,
   after i learned the mass in latin they changed it to english.
   I think it was much better in latin.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      cool

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   Disturbiaposted 12 years ago

   I hate to admit to being old enough to remember the latin mass, but I do remember it.  I was very young and it was very boring.
   
   Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

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    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    Big, big difference between "every man heard them speak in his own language" (i.e., identifiable languages) and speaking in tongues (i.e., bizarre sounds and syllables not recognized as ANY identifiable language).

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    LaMamaLoliposted 12 years ago

    I love the latin mass. I wouldn't go every week as I like to hear the priests sermon and understand it, but the choir at the Cathedral sings it beautifully and it is a joy to listen to.

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    CYBERSUPEposted 12 years ago

    I remember them well and still like them. I will attend a Latin mass anytime I can find one. Beautiful

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    Sally's Troveposted 12 years ago

    As a kid, the Latin mass was what I knew. Wish it were still the norm. By its rhythm and unintelligible words, it transported you into somewhere else, like the beat of a native drum, a kind of music. Music mixed with incense. It was quite magical.
    
    Any Catholic kid who's made his Confirmation knows what the mass is about and doesn't need English to explain it.
    
    Now and again, I go to a Polish church, where the mass is held in Polish. It's refreshing...Latin, Polish, languages I don't easily understand, but each delivers a kind of incantation that helps the mind enter a different realm, one step closer to the spiritual.

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    couturepopcafeposted 12 years ago

    Raised as a Roman Catholic in northern New Jersey.  We were required to wear hats or chapel veils not because of the times but because it was considered a sin for a woman to show her hair in the house of God.  It was considered vanity.  Of course, by the 1950s, hats and chapel veils didn't cover much hair.
    
    The Latin Mass was indeed a throwback to the times when people were not allowed to own a Bible.  The church ruled everything and if your crops failed, it was your fault because you were a sinner.  They set themselves up as elitists. 
    
    Remember, the word elitist is about perception.  They perceived themselves to be set above the common man.  To actually be in an elite class - like pro ball players for example - by virtue of your experience or ability is quite another thing.  It wasn't until people started discovering indiscretions among priests, like bribary, child abuse (yes even in those days) and extortion that people started questioning the authority of priests over common men.
    
    When I moved to Tennessee, I found out that the pastors actually talked about content, not finger-pointing. What I find most interesting about the Bible, though, is that the story has no flaws in the 'script'. 
    
    Now don't everyone start jumping all over me.  I'm just saying.
    
    PS. - AltPoet - with respect - it would be helpful if you could refrain from being aggressive and confrontational in your comments. 
    
    I don't attend churches anymore but the traditional Latin Mass in beautiful churches is a piece of history that should be taken for just that.

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       skipper112posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       scoolgirlforreal,
       Yes I was a altar boy and that was when only the Latin Mass was said.
       Now to hear a Latin mass ( t at St Marys Cathderal by Cardinal Pell) he says a latin mass every month. I have now found a few churches that say a latin mass every Sunday.There is nothing wrong in the latin mass if there was it would not be preformed by a Cardinal, that is what I think................A proud catholic
       
       thank you for this post schoolgirlforreal

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          schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Oh you're welcome. I became saved by the Baptist faith, but I am and always be a Catholic at heart. I try to live and let live, and I like the faith the Baptists like the Bible and all, and trusting in GOD that we go to Heaven not by our own works/merits....
          
          Depending on where you live, there are chapels all over US where the Society of St. Pius X priests, started by Archbishop Lefebvre who was the ONLY bishop who stood against the changes of Vatican II, just go to www.sspx.org             

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       schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Very interesting points you make. People were not allowed to own a bible? wow.
       maybe because they thought they'd interpret it wrong, but STILL
       you say "The church ruled everything and if your crops failed, it was your fault because you were a sinner.  They set themselves up as elitists."
       well, that DOES sound cukoo to me.
       
       I think that the CChurch has always had errors, like all religions, right? Or bad people in it at least? Maybe it's ok to take the good and not the bad?
       Well, thankyou for that comment. I don't know much about some of those things.

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    cceerppposted 12 years ago

    The Tridentine Mass is such a wonderful liturgy of the Latin Rite of our beautiful Catholic Church.
    
    How many of you missed the "Kyrie, eleison; Christe, eleison; Kyrie, eleison"?

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    Dink96posted 12 years ago

    I miss the Byrds doing that song....ha-ha..
    
    Seriously, I remember the Latin mass and although no one really understood it, in retrospect, I liked the rituals, etc.  I believe the High Mass was also in Latin; however, I believe it included choir, more singing, etc.  (This was a very long time ago.)  Then came Vatican II and all that changed.  The priest faced the congregation, started talking in English, some of them got very hip, (one of our priests drove a Pontiac with an "Alfred E. Newman for President" bumper sticker), and some even LEFT the church and married (OMG!). (Fr. Mad Magazine got married and had two daughters.)
    
    Folk music entered the scene and in my opinion it all went downhill from there. 

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