Cleverness not Piety

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   haj3396posted 12 years ago

   There are youth who have a certain kind of cleverness, which is acknowledged and admired by their associates, but their ability is not sanctified. It is not strengthened and solidified by the graces and trials of experience, and God cannot use it to benefit humanity and glorify his name.

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      pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes the bad student is a good teacher

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      couturepopcafeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      haj = why not?  says who?

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, the bible dose say God gave us everything and all he wants in return is for us to glorify and worship him.
         
         Not the view of most people who live on earth

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            Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            But wouldn't that mean god was insecure?  Needing someone, especially those not meant to know the reasons for doing so, to worship you, seems a bit needy to me!  And also threatening them with eternal damnation if they do not do his bidding could be construed as childish in nature.
            
            So then we have to ask, is god good or bad?  How would you look at a human with these same traits?  Worship them?  No?  Why not, their actions would be considered godly, wouldn't they?

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               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               haj
               
               When I was a kid going to church, they told me few stories about an all loving God, in which was fine.
               
               Then our teacher told us about the children who mock the bald headed priest for being bald, then the priest shredded the children to death. I couldn’t hold a straight face and laughed out loud.
               
               I was expelled; I was such a baaaad boy.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I suppose I would have been expelled also!  LOL!  But acting "godly" can mean killing those who do not agree with you!  The Christian version of god, anyway!

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               pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I would agree with that if God alone wrote the bible,  but man/men wrote the bible. They were teachings inspired by God, but just as we are now, the writers of the day were largely tainted by perception.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  There is no evidence a deity of any kind had anything to do with the Bible.  Most of what's in the novel was borrowed from other ancient myths and religions which predated the book.  The books have been chosen from many versions which best suit those assembling the thing.
                  
                  The new Testament is entirely hearsay with the main character not literate enough to deserve his own gospel.  Have you ever asked yourself why Jesus never wrote anything?  He could perform miracles but failed to pen anything!  Surely he had the ability if he was the son of a god!

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                     pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No evidence I agree. There were claims made by most of the writers that gave tribute to God or Jesus is what my post was based on.
                     
                     Deity for me conjures up imagery of idols on a pedestal. I am not sure they perceived God that way in that era. Who knows may be they did.
                     
                     Considering Jesus didn't go to school (from 12 as far as I understand) perhaps he didn't know how to write. Brings to mind the cucumber sage.
                     
                     http://www.whatdoyouthinkmyfriend.com/S … umber.html

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                        Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        He needed no schooling if his dad was a god!  Wasn't he discussing the scriptures of the Old Testament in the temple when Joseph went looking for him?  If he couldn't read, how could he be lecturing the priests about the writings in the OT?

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                           pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Well if thats the case then perhaps he chose not to write I don't know. Why do you think he never wrote any books if he was intelligent enough to do so?

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                              Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I do not think he was the son of a god!  There had to be a messiah born in the year of JC's birth because it was foretold by the ancient prophets.  If one was not born, it would be the end of the cults credibility!  therefore one had to be found.
                              
                              There are too many discrepancies in the whole birth thing which are pretty well proven.  According to the book, the reason Joseph and Mary were returning to Bethlehem was for a census requiring Joseph to be in his home town.
                              
                              There was no census that year by the Romans, and even if there were, it did not apply to non-Roman citizens.  The trip was made to fulfill the prophesy only!
                              
                              And what about the missing years of the child JC?  Very little mention of his childhood.  Rather strange for a son of god to be so ignored by his admirers, No? 
                              
                              The same for when he went missing until not long before the crucifixion.  Why no records of his movements from the age of twelve.  Can you think of a logical guess?

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                                 pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes I realize you don't think he is the son of God.
                                 
                                 I'm not very good at logic...heres a stab in the dark... perhaps being a child whomever knew he would not be listened to son of God or not. Perhaps they were coaching.....  I am interested to hear your views about his whereabouts as I really have no clue.

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    I am not sure he ever existed at all!  There are no actual records, which have not been tainted by the churches, to validate his existence. 
                                    You know of course, none of the so called Gospels were written for many years after his crucifixion.  Some were penned literally hundreds of years later.  Or perhaps you did not know this!

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                                       pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       No you are right I didn't. I'm not at all surprised either.

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                                          Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          Besides this, there is a reason the Gospels are titled "The Gospel according to John, Luke, etc."  This is another way of saying, "as told to" which qualifies as hearsay no matter what else you think.
                                          
                                          The New Testament was a serial story similar to a miniseries like we have today!  A Greek publication with many writers hoping to make the show with their scripts.  I know you are familiar with the phrase "artistic license," and so were they!

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               kimberlyslyricsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Randy, yes, once again I am so confused, *sigh*  :

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                  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Be glad, Kim!  This means you are actually thinking!  Something many neglect to do once they begin merely taking others word for what is or is not possible!

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   Jaggedfrostposted 12 years ago

   lol yeah, haj, are you God to us in disallowing them their right to inspire because you don't like how they go about it?

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