Hell and Eternal Damnation - The Threat
I have been threatened, along with others, with eternal damnation from many believers here. They claim they are not threatening me, yet by definition, they most certainly are threatening, even though they are just repeating their beliefs based on their scriptures, or at least, that's what they would like us to believe.
I could just as easily read the words from any number of sources of hate speech and focus it on a member here, and it most likely will get me banned.
My question is this, should we report these believers to the admins of Hubpages as threats?
Would the admins take it seriously considering lesser threats and other innocuous comments have had members here banned?
Wait a minute, is this similar to the deal you're striking with Mark?
How was her comment. "She replied that the only ones that fear are those on the wrong side." any more "hateful" than yours, "that's just a way of drumming fear into people & even the cults do it."?
I just see two different opinions.
Naw Beelze:
I've occassionally said: "Damn you! Go to hell!"
Consider the source, chuckle, flip 'im a bird and walk away! lol
You know the old quip: "sticks and stones may break my bones...etc..
Relax, have a warm cuppa cocoa, sit back and watch a good MMA fight (just to get loosened up) and fall asleep......zzzzzzzzzz
When ya wake up it'll be a brand new world....:
QwarkOk Beelz:
Then just keep things in proper perspective. Don't be so sensitive.
Tellin' ya to be damned and go to hell is not an "earth shaker.":
QwarkBeelze:
lolol...look at your response to me!
My goodness! There ya go getting "sensitive" again..:
Now lets get serious. why would ya want to "report" a responder for tellin' ya: "damn you... go to hell!?"
ok, ok it was a topic for discussion.
No. I would never let any "responder" upset me to the point of reporting him just because he "damned" me and told me to go to hell.
There are reasons I would, but not for that.
Yer cocoa's getting cold Beelze, microwave time...:
Qwark
Just a shoulder to cry on should be sufficient.
I have no soul, neither do you.Well, thank you for the information.
All my life I've been doubting, but now, I'm fixed.
I have no soul.
And now there's two, needing a shoulder to cry upon...
Snif...
I think that now, the most difficult part for me, is trying to convince my dog he has no soul either.
Because he believes he's got a soul.
And with that, one of the thickest subjects of conversation between us (me and my dog), just disappears...
Ain't that sad ?
Agreed, and well said. It would interesting to note that if this were some hundreds of years ago, Christians would have taken action with their threats by placing us on stakes and watching with glee as the flames licked higher.
Good thing they no longer have that option and their words are just empty chaff.
Of course, the fact that they no longer have that option does not mean they probably wish they did.
Yes, but the threats are here on earth and are real, while spirits are not real as they violate the physical laws of universe. So, in that respect, it is a threat on my physical being because it is one physical being threatening another.
So what? You don't accept buckets of various gods that threaten our afterlife, too. Hence, your point is moot as we both don't accept those same gods.
Then, it is not your right to threaten me, is it?
I have no obligation to change your point of view. And, the fact that you believe you do have an obligation is one of the reasons your faith starts conflict and wars.
- just_curiousposted 13 years ago
0 I'm okay. I understand the reasons behind this issue, however our believer friends deny it and believe I would be falsely accusing them if I reported them for making such threats.
I was more curious as to the state of the threat itself, if in fact it had an validity or not as threat.
Many thanks, frogdropping!
Good point. If I'm dead, then how can anyone impose physical harm on me?
I'm assuming though the reference to the threat would be towards my everlasting soul.
It doesn't seem like your claim meets the definition of the word threat, but if it hurts your feelings that much go ahead and report it.
Merriam Webster
1threat
noun \ˈthret\
Definition of THREAT
1
: an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage
2
: one that threatens
3
: an indication of something impending <the sky held a threat of rain>Like I said above, and I'll repeat myself for your sake, I understand why believers make these threats and then don't consider them threats.
Here are some more definitions from the dictionary:
1. A person who inspires fear or dread.
2. A warning that something unpleasant is imminent.
3. Something that is a source of danger.
4. Declaration of an intention or a determination to inflict harm on another.
These all fit the claim.So, if you don't consider them "threats" it's a moot point, and you have wasted everyone's time.
As a stretch, number two could possibly fit in by your definitions; however, I would consider warning a positive thing.
Oh, well, if it's from THE dictionary, pardon me.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=threat
Here's a couple from the Urban Dictionary:
"1. threat 6 up, 6 down
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A system in MMORPGS which determines what character a particular mob will attack. Threat is gained during an encounter generally by attacking, healing, or taunting. For instance, threat in the MMORPG World of Warcraft is gained at a ratio of 1 damage:1 threat and 2 effective heals:1 threat before talents. Generally tanks have abilities that may have a 1 damage:5 threat ratio or greater, allowing them to keep aggro without having to be the highest dps. If enough threat is gained by a particular person, they will "pull aggro."
"This tank's is amazing, I pulled 13,337 dps and I never got above 60% threat!"
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2. threat 11 up, 29 down
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Roughly speaking, great, with connotations of being so great it's threatening. Origin in the phrase "triple threat---singing, dancing, acting."
Superlative: bomb threat
This party's threat, yo.
Take a sniff of this coke, bro; it's the bomb threat."Yes, I understand why a believer would consider it a waste of time.
Yes, and I'm quite sure believers will continue "warning" everyone with hell and eternal damnation. Such a positive thing.Warnings aren't usually followed by something positive unless followed.
Of course not, the weatherman cannot be certain what will happen to you if you indeed decided to venture out into the tornado. You may very well do so and emerge unscathed.
However, when believers threaten others with hell, they are in fact telling that person quite emphatically what will happen to them. Big difference, and that is one of the reasons why it is a threat and not a warning.
If we were both talking about this many centuries ago, you and your Christian clan would have me tied to a large stake and would cheer with glee as the flames licked higher.
In other words, you would be practicing what you preached by helping me in the most horrific way to get to hell that much sooner.
Please remember that this IS the organization you belong with all of it's sordid history intact.No one is forcing you to think, it is not a requirement for faith.
A question for thought. Are you proud and will defend your religious organizations atrocious historic past considering you are part of that organization today?
For example, should those who continue to remain in the Nazi Party be exonerated for the parties past atrocities?So - you will continue to support Nazi-owned businesses in that case? As long as the owners did not actually herd people into a gas chamber.
Sounds like you are actually defending your irrational belief system and using the "they were not real Christians." argument.
I won't ask which commandment you are referring to, because that would just open up another inconsistency in your exchanges.
This is a peering into the mindset of the indoctrinated mind, and its struggle to persist in the face of total destruction of the delusion. I feel your struggle. A struggle, that one professing to be a seeker of the truth, is actually angered when truth enters the room. Fascinating.
- china manposted 13 years ago0
- Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago0 Beelz,
you can not be serious?!
a. To make a claim of being threatened with something tangible -like your present life, work, family, etc then according to the HP TOS, you could & should report such threats.
However,
a. If you enter a field/location -digital or not-- that clearly indicates its conditions (in this case, Religion/Beliefs) of which you clearly do not believe in/nor practice, you put yourself at risk as well as others who share your common idea. (i.e. Don't go to the barber shop, unless you want to get a haircut; if you hang around it long enough you're bound to get one).
b. According to the [alleged] threats by these persons, titled as believers, and from your statement: you are being threatened with Hell & Eternal Damnation. This constitutes in invalid threat, as there is no way to validate whether or not such a place exists nor such an event. What's more, is a person who clearly has no regard for such supposed "make believe/imaginary" events/places, cannot make a case to report, unless they have some other empirical evidence supporting the threat - after death.
c. Not being one of the titled believers or non-believers, I could also report many derogatory comments, hate speech -blatant hate speech- consistently and constantly, by several users on Hub Pages -both titled believers and non-believers. I choose not to, as it is all in digital literary non sequitur. So, I see no reason to take it seriously, personally, nor would I post an entire thread about it, in an attempt to express a loathing, a wine pairing snack or a digital logomachy.
James. Jerami - only people who are defending their irrational belief system think everybody is doin' it.
No - that is not what I am saying at all. Rotten guess.
And that's enough of that.
Bye.- Neville Walkposted 13 years ago0
Wow, this must have really been weighing heavily on your mind for you to create a brand new account, and submit that answer.
More or less, yes, same sentiment, however when someone steals my space, I try to remember that they may have a greater need for it, or may just be pig ignorant!
Likewise, ALL of the local atheists may actually come to faith in Christ. This trolling with a script may just be part of their walk, I know I did a whole secular humanist gig for 30 years before God decided to call my number, so likewise, they (the atheists trolls) may have a greater need..... or they could just be....
Christians wouldn't make the threat if they didn't relish in doing so. Superiority complex.
Yes, I suppose you missed the part where we've already discussed the definitions.
I imagine I did miss them. Carry on then.
No worries SirDent, nice to see you back. Hope you are okay, I did see that thread of yours discussing a health issue.
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
I have never seen an atheist threaten you with anything. Do you have an example?
Thank you for the emotionally charged faith based rant. Too bad you didn't actually address anything and rather instead showed us your intolerance and superiority. Basically, you are saying that we should just shut up and go away so you may be free to threaten us with your gods wrath.
Thanks for that, however, it would be appreciated if you didn't ban Dave for those remarks. I would like to show him that we non-believers are above making such statements of intolerance and condescension.
It's the right thing to do, n'est pas?Beelzedad I have no banning ability. If I did I wouldn't ban him anyway.
Dave's reply was mean. I've seen much worse. Were it my choice I'd have called him mean in person - not snuck off and pulled a plug.
No worries here - cão que ladra não morde
Aww - All we sed is u ain't a burnin' and u ain't need a-savin'. If'n u go agin the promise to god by leevin' the man u promised to stay with 'till death do u part - that be ur problem. We don't beleebin' in god so - wen we is deeevorcin' an a preechin' agin wot the biybel sez - it int no problem fer us'n. No hopelessness needed. Coz we in't beleebin' the threatnin'.
Dear me. No wonder your religion causes so many wars.
Santa Claus wont come visit if you dont believe in him and act right either.. or thats what they say. I still get christmas presents every year
- brotheryochananposted 13 years ago0
That is a lie. My intent is not to disrupt, although I can understand how the presentation of reality would indeed disrupt a believers worldview.
Yet, another lie, as it is the hate speech of eternal damnation threats that are under discussion. Please point out my hate speech or apologize for lying.
In other words, I should just shut and go away when anyone threatens me? Should I just grow a spine and take it like a man?
Yes, I can understand why you consider me a 'reprobate' and will use the words from your bible to defend those threats. I too can find books that have hate speech written in them, but I would never threaten you or anyone else with them.
Do you mean I should begin to litter my posts with logical fallacies and magic? Is that your idea of "intelligent debating?"
Hence, the problem of conflict, wars and genocides they cause by doing so.
Yes, I do understand that you are compelled and taught to believe you are superior to me and anyone else who does not share your beliefs, and threats.
And, if your response to me is an example of the "caliber of people" who are to make up your gods kingdom, I would not want any part of it. That should make you immensely happy.
- klarawieckposted 13 years ago0
Which Hell are you being sent to, Beelyboy? The Evangelist's Hell, The Catholic's Hell, The Jehova Witnesses' Hell? Or do they let you take the trolley and visit the different parks to see where you want to get off?
Is it like Disney World? Where you can buy a pass to visit all parks in 24 hours? Find out! Might be kind of exciting!
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