Can they only exist in storybooks and legends? Are they out really our there, blending into our societies?
There are many thoughts on how to become a vampire/vampyre, but no actual prove that it works. Or that vampyres exist.
However, there has to be some grain of truth to all of the legends that arose around the world. Why would cultures facinate over beings that don't exist?
So, do you believe that vampyres are real, and are do they exist outside of storybooks?
There is said that the blood lust came from sadistic animal and human sacrifice. The amount of blood literally maddened people seeing it and caused them to become blood crazed.
I think Anne Rice, in here research for writing, found actual stories pertaining to the likes of Vlad III (the impaler) and Elizabeth Bathory (countess of blood) who was legend as bathing in pools of virgins blood, to regain her youth --as she went mad after her husbands death. Story goes she has thousands of girls tortured and slaughtered in her hysteria.
In theology, countless pagan rituals would include blood letting(the first form of vampire-ism), pouring blood over the head, notably in Roman mythology.
There is also some evidence in Egyptian & Mayan lore / history pertaining to the same thing. It would be comparable to Midas consuming gold, as it was thought to increase longevity.
Blood has been symbolic of life throughout human history.
Blood is life to the body.
It only makes sense that blood drinkers would exist, in a hypothetical means, in order to stay young/living forever, by consuming it.
Not at all!! this is only a myth...
Of course they are. White Wolf says so.
yes tonight, they will roam around in time with the "Supermoon"
Well, although it's not proven definitely that they don't exist, there's really no evident to prove that they do. More than likely, the tales of vampires is nothing more than a superstition that holds no meaning. Sure, it's fun to imagine how things would be like if they did exist, and I've seen some news shows where people actually believe they are vampires. Taking it up to the point, where they'll sharpen their own teeth into fangs, and will end up developing some bizarre blood fetish. Does that make them vampires? Probably not. However, vampires don't exist. If they did, I'm sure we would've found some evidence of them by now. Then again, I do believe dragons actually existed on this planet, at some point, for the same reasons you just mentioned about vampires. Therefore, I could be wrong on my assessments of vampires.
However, I won't divulge into my theories on why I think dragons may have existed on this earth once for another time, as I don't want to hijack your thread. lol
No, I don't believe there are vampires.
Cultures have held fascinations about many things; people are just imaginative beings! Example---belief in aliens on other planets, wondering whether people came from apes, the concept of people turning into machines or machines into people, etc....
Well Brenda, I'm with you on the whole vampire thing. However, I don't know if I would dismiss the possibility of aliens though. After all, is it really that hard to imagine god would create life on other planets besides this one? Hell, even many earlier astronomers, who were religious, they believed in the possible existence of aliens too. Plus, I find it hard to believe out of the billions of planets, solar systems, stars and whatnot that there's nothing out there besides us.
Many people consider that as a possiblity (life on other planets). Even my husband does. Even a few Pastors that I know. But no, not I. There is much proof, both physical and Spiritual, that God Himself exists, and His word speaks to us here on this earth; I find nothing in the Bible about His Love for people on some other planet! If they existed, I think He would've told us in His word the Bible. And Jesus died for all mankind, so I don't think that carries over to any beings on other planets. Jesus would've had to go to those other planets and die for those people too! Which brings me to the logical and Spiritual conclusion that there are no beings on other planets.
And even if by "beings", one concludes they might be non-humans who would need no salvation, then....I will ask what would be the purpose for their existence in the first place?
As for other planets, I find it fascinating how God set them, along with the earth and sun and moon, in a system of perpetual motion, all (I believe) for the benefit of the people on this one planet--earth. I believe WE are the crown of His creation, made in His image. That, to me, speaks volumes about His intense focused Love for us humans on this one earth.
Yeah, but the bible has been rewritten, re-translated and revised various times throughout history. therefore, it still doesn't diminish the possibility. Besides, one could very well turn that same question of the purpose of other species out there in the universe, as to what's the point of our own existence? after all, i know we weren't created purely for kicks.
We were created for God's pleasure, according to the Word, out of Love; and it gives Him pleasure when we Love Him. That's enough reason for me. The Bible also tells me to cast down imaginations. Doesn't mean I can't be imaginative about a lot of things, but it does mean I should base all my personal questionings and wonderings on those facts first, and then I won't "wander" from the Truth.
What, for you, would be a purpose that validates the existence of mankind?
If I told you that Brenda, most people would say I was crazy in this forum. Besides, I certainly don't want there to be another misunderstanding again like there was yesterday. However, I appreciate you asking.
And, if there is found life on many other planets, will you still choose to believe your bible?
Perhaps, they would ask the same question about your existence.
Perhaps, other life forms believe they were sneezed out of the nose of a giant lizard and believe you and I are here for their benefit.
Notice that your beliefs beg all sorts of questions while the simple explanation that we are all just here with no purpose and no gods does not beg questions.
How about allegory for people who suck the life-energy out of others.
Energetc/psychic vampires, yes. I married the one. And one of my son's is the one. There is almost no protection, when they are your relatives. They can literally suck every drop of energy from you and you can do nothing. They can be slick and very charming. They are killing you and you love them and allow them to do that.
Have you tried eating Ginger or another energy boosting source? It is also in legends that ginger helps repel vampires.
Haven't heard that phrase in quite some time...
Thanks Chris. I didn't know anyone else picked up on that...glad you did. James.
Correct me if I am not on the right page but, does that mean psychotic? Is the "psy" portion short for psychotic?
When I come home without energy, tired, I try not to speak to my son, even if I have something to say to him until I can get some rest, food etc. It's not a joke, it's very real. But I always have to keep some psychological distance between us. I love him very much, but he is what he is. And he was the same even when he was a little baby.
We have been invaded by binaurally-transmitted thought-patterns. Once invaded, the person will manifest very small clues that will reveal they have been converted. They cough to get your attention, they have something in them that attempts to pave the way for your conversion. When you get attacked with full-force, it is through your visual imagination. You will see a black, slimy, very nasty thing trying to pry into your "soul-center" and push you out of the drivers seat of your own mind. It felt to me that if I lost, I would be no more - but my body would still move according to the will of this thing. These "people" call themselves "the family that preys", and believe me......they do. Stay away from the TELEVISION when you are with him - it is pure torture. It's not his fault - these "things" invade anyone weak enough to possess. I know EXACTLY how you feel. Please read my hubs for help in preserving your inner-self.
I certainly do! I'm glad not to be the only hubber who knows my bank manager.
In America, they are called 'government'!
Yes I'm afraid our government has it's hand in our wallets too logic.
The ones on the wrong side of the bars -ha!
Yup, and they aren't just going after money, they are going after our minds. Through microwave-based, binaural transmissions (sounds that cause the brain to imitate them) - people are being brainwashed in the "privacy" of their own homes. It gets in mostly THROUGH YOUR EARS, so get an I-pod to jam these transmissions. You can find more valuable info on eluding this phenomenon on my hub page. Just punch in "electronic harrassment" as a subject and my hubs will be there.
Lol, I call my local vampyre my health care provider... aka doctors office
Do you believe that vampyres exist?
There are no vampires; it is just superstition.
who knows really? i do believe in psychic vampirism and i know that there are people out there that believe they are vampires and participate in drinking human blood, but are all of the legends true? i don't think we'll ever really know...it's the same for fairies and the lochness monster, etc. you can say it's myth or you can say it's truth, but either way...there's no real proof. i did do a hub on Countess Elizabeth Bathory, and i also do some creative writing involving vampires...titled Hot Blood: A Vampire Romance...so check 'em out!
Wow. It's amazing. You speak for the entire world...oh wait, no you don't.
Oxymoron. People are dying after being exposed to a substance that was used to power their country for the better part of a century, inspite of the dangers associated with a country that's prone to earthquake disasters and all disasters related to earthquakes, like tsunamis.
So sanity and the world simply don't go together, unless you're trying to be ironic.
I'm pretty sure that vampires would believe in themselves.
Go and read this. Then decide for yourself that they exist or not.
Yes. I married one once. I also have former friends who qualify.
They suck the life right out of you. Mostly emotional, but in a few cases, actually drew blood.
You are not alone. This is an "invasion" of "v-people". They are all part of one collective mind and their movements relative to each other are controlled by an outside source. They are also referred to as "dog people", because they do exactly what the Binaural Beats (it makes your ears ring) tell them to do. Their goal is to weaken your mind so that it can be invaded at the time you are emotionally weakest. A program replaces their natural thought-patterns. It is hostile to human personalities. Check out my hubs for information on how to block these "signals".
Strictly speaking, I believe the world is a bigger and more complex than anyone can ever hope to understand in their lifetimes.
Do I believe vampires exist? Absolutely.
Do I believe human beings are capable of just about anything? Of course I do.
What makes you think vampires exist? You know that Bram Stoker was making it up, right?
Since Bram had never even been to Transylvania when he wrote the book, and in fact based all of his information on a travel guide, yeah, I'm pretty much well aware that Dracula is fiction.
I'm also aware that the vampire has been in human mythology since long before Bram Stoker sniffed his first pinch of cocaine.
Santa Clause is a myth too, even though we know it was based on a living human being who was generous, but shy.
Saying that vampires don't exist is just another aspect of pure human arrogance, trying to lord it's superiority over the world by acting like the authority on what is and is not real.
So have mermaids, bigfoot, demons, angels, fairies, dragons, warewolves, ghosts etc. It doesn't mean that they're real. There's plantly that humans don't know, but I'm fairly confident drawing the line before them!
Draw all the lines you want. That doesn't make you the authority.
Time was there were plenty of lines stating that the world was flat. Now those lines are faded and pretty much obsolete as are the people who drew them.
Yes but that was before we had the sufficient knowledge as a species to know that that was untrue. If we are still considering the possibility of those things listed in the last post existing, then we're taking a significant backward step.
No, because as you pointed out, we don't have the sufficient knowledge to determine that vampires don't exist.
For one: You're using fiction as your basis for claiming they don't exist in any shape or form. Using fiction to prove something is %100 ficticious is like saying that there is no life on Mars because the aliens came to Earth and we destroyed them in HG Wells War of the Worlds.
So when you can show me concrete scientific evidence that no, vampires do not exist, within the contexts of the scientific principal then I will gleefully concede that you are correct.
I can't believe that in 2011 I'm arguing with someone about the existence of vampires. I'm not claiming fiction as the reason for their non-existence, I am merely pointing out that that is what those stories are; fiction.
The scientific principle which you cite would agree with my point of view. Just because you can't refute a negative claim does not mean that, ipse dixit the very very very unlikely thing claimed without proof actually exists.
You'll be able to learn this principle during your first year at university.
Other than the laws of universe that would prohibit the existence of vampires, yes, no other "sufficient knowledge."
Since all the laws of the universe agree with each other and have mountains of evidence to support them, you can choose any law you like and it will be violated by the existence of vampires.
Vampires, these types are Hollywood mock-ups, meant to entertain people. I very specifically chose the title, Do you believe vampyres exist? for a reason. Clearly, this forum is not about the traditional vampire.
I am not talking about these types of vampires: "(die when the sun rises, drink only blood to live, can turn into bats, etc) "dingdondingdon
I am referring to vampyres in ancient legends, not science fiction. I was looking for academic and opinionated answers.
I am not asking if the next Edward Cullen exists, or if Dracula might have been real. No, I am trying to stay away from the hectic burn-or-glitter-in-the-sun type vampires.
Unfortunately, the vampires you are referring to are as elusive as the academic responses that you seek. I believe that half of the opinions here are neither academic nor firmly grounded.
And as the laws of the universe have been written by a species who still thinks it's a cool idea to use nuclear power, inspite of the very obvious and glaring dangers that have become evident these past few weeks, I'd say they are very flawed and subject to change as time passes.
To further Nate's argument: Yes, Stoker did make up many of his stories on vampyres, but it was based on an actual person. Vlad the impaler, who was a prince of Transylvania, had many rumors circulating about him due to the way that his enemies perceived him. Also, it is speculated that the church spread rumors about him being an overlord and was planning to be a traitor to him country.
However, before Stoker even wrote Dracula and its many preceding novels, they were myths and legend about vampires in Japan, China, Egypt, and even the "remote" island of Madagascar. So, why would all of these cultures come to this same conclusion and belief around the same periods of time? Could there be something to it? Any thoughts?
I do not need to cite this information because it is common enough for anyone to find who is serious enough about researching the topic.
Well to be fair, there is such a thing called canabalism too. not sure if I spelled that right. Anyways, I know in canabalism, people tend to eat other people, and it's fairly possible it existed even back then when myths of vampires were rampant. plus, people were a lot more superstitious back then too. therefore, the myths could've been nothing more than people mistaking canibals for vampires. as i said before, I could be wrong, but I'm just saying.
The ones with an i do not exist. The ones with the y, however, totally do!
We have to draw the line and separate science from fiction. When people did not know a lot about human body (and we still don't know a lot) they used to drink blood thinking that it will benefits their health. In many primitive cultures they still drink fresh animal blood for health and vitality. Some perverted rich people could actually drink live blood from their slaves, so Dracula could be very real. Everything is quite explainable without superstition. Psychic/emotional vampires can drive you to sickness and premature death, if you do not go away from them. They are much common than people realise and again nothing is supernatural here. It's just some people need constant supply of energy from outside (from you).
We have to know and study about the origin and existence of vampires and vampirism. It has been during the Renaissance era when there was an outbreak of a viral flu which had affected many people and puzzled all the medical practitioners of that time across the land bcoz it showed no signs or symptoms of the normal flu but it used to deteriorate the person's health to a great extent so much so that it would lead to death. Then it was discovered that the blood of rabbits and hares might produce a cure to this strange form of flu which to the surprise of everyone did. The person affected by this flu would not be able to stand bright light, hence the myth about vampires not able to stand light, they were not able to withstand noise and crowd, hence the myth that vampires cannot stand before the Church and finally many people had noticed these so called flu stricken people suck blood from the rabbits and hares which lead to the formation of folklore and myths. In the modern era, the vampires do not suck blood but they play and manipulate your mind, these types are called PSYCHIC VAMPIRES, who feed off the life force of living creatures. Then there are those known as EMOTIONAL VAMPIRES who drain the emotional energy from you. Then to some extent there is also SEXUAL VAMPIRES who is said to be able to feed off the sexual energy of a person. As related and concerned to me, I think it is something very supernatural and we need to have some more research and study on this topic.
There is absolutely no proof for our traditional idea of vampires (die when the sun rises, drink only blood to live, can turn into bats, etc) exist.
However, there are theories that vampire lore came about as a reaction to certain diseases or illnesses (such as anaemia, or porphyria).
Anyone interested in the topic from an academic standpoint should check out Paul Barber's Vampires, Burial, and Death: Folklore and Reality. Very interesting, lots of historical accounts of revenants. Writer is not crazy. I suggest a strong stomach though. It deals with some forensic-type information. Google Books has it up. You can see the table of contents.
I wish Vampires did exist.
Imagine living forever, having super strength and feeding on humans.
Also the sun is overrated.
I wish I could be a vampire.
Not the twilight kind but a real brutal vampire.
Interesting subject. Odd that no one has pointed out that Christians believe that if you drink the blood of Christ you'll live forever.
Really? I thought Christians believe that the blood of Christ will allow them to rise from the grave and live forever. the blood is then drank in a ritual called communion.
sounds a lot like the vampyre myth to me.
That would be catholics I believe, but other religionists don't always agree about which churches are christian.
You are right and I find it bizarre that this would be true. Everyone sees things differently. But I guess maybe they think there's only so much room in heaven and they're fighting to make sure they have a spot. It is sad, and demeaning. I'm surprised it continues.
Well, if you look at it that way, yes I walk the night.
He said do it in memory of him. Think about the symbolism and the meaning. Yours is a cool, and creepy interpretation. It would probably cause a few to barf in the process of communion. Which leads me to think people don't see it that way. I haven't been in a church in many years, but I don't remember that happening when I was there.
Dear Ian, I think you have got it all wrong about Christianity bcoz we do not drink the blood of Christ but it is Christ who sheds His blood for us for the remission of our sins and with respect to what you are referring to it is not the blood of Christ bcoz what Christ meant in there was that His blood leads to the remission of our sins and anoints us as His children in His heavenly kingdom......
Certainly there are no vampires; so I don't believe in them. It is just superstition.
paar...religious people should never talk about superstition...if religious god can exist , anything can exist...
Hi Pisean, it is a nice thought and conclusion but if you are to observe, superstition and beliefs are found majorly amongst religious persons in the world. But what were you trying to say towards the end which got me confused and lost.....
Many of the vampyre legends originated in Europe. Medicine was in its early stages and many people were buried alive...they began leaving bells by new graves and posted watchers to listen for the ringing of the bells, hence the term Grave-yard-shift and Dead Ringer.
All right so, the OP wants an Academic argument to support or deny the existence of vampires.
Here's my theory. We know that millions of years ago, homosapien was not the only upright walking ape descendent in line for the title of Dominant species.
There was also homo erectus, homo floriensis, etc. There's even speculation that sterile hybrids may have resulted from the various breeds of "caveman" running about in those times.
Is it not possible that the legends of vampirism are not at least in part inspired by another form of hominid that was also sharing the space with us while we hacked our competition into extinction?
Modern science still hasn't accounted for everything that went on back before we had a thing called "modern" science. And no true scientist will ever say that something is 100%. There will always be room for speculation and theories will always be challenged, rewritten, and challenged again as new evidence comes to light.
Sop therefore it is not a scientific argument to say that vampires do not and never have existed.
Thank you, that is the kind of response I was looking for. Perhaps anyone has thoughts on this and can contribute to this line of thinking?
i can't contribute a whole lot of scientific theory but i can tell you that people that say something absolutely doesn't exist will be the first to tell you that something else does...absolutely. so the thing is...no one really knows for 100% sure that anything does or doesn't exist...we can say it's scientific fact or we can say that these beliefs are ridiculous, but neither of these statements proves the truth. nothing is known for certain..even science. so therefore...i believe anything can exist.
An interesting way of looking at existence:
I believe that I exist but, to someone across the world who has never met me, I do not exist. It is this human consciousness and awareness that people base most forms of existence on. In the eyes of someone else, I may not exist, even though I factually do.
Thanks for the great posts everyone.
Not really, well certainly not as they are portrayed in horror stories. But there are blood-sucking animals and there are people who believe they are vampires but that is all!
You two are talking about demon possession?
Or perhaps mental manipulation...?
The legend of vampires comes from the "real" vampire, Dracula. He was a vicious dictator and killed a huge number of people, getting himself the nickname "Vlad the Impaler". He liked killing so much, there were rumors that he actually drank and bathed in the blood of his victims. This, of course, led to more rumors and so the idea of a bloodsucking human/creature was born. Vampires are not real (to the dismay of twilight fans everywhere) but the concept of vampires came from a very real, very evil person.
They are all around us - but now they suck our blood as politicians and Lawyers....
Well, certainly there are your political vampires...lol...but there are those of us who do seem to feed of pranic energy of one kind or another. Some call themselves sanguinarians, others call themselves psy-vamps, and others still call themselves elemental. Combine the three and you have a hybrid. Do you live forever? No.
Frankly I myself am photosensitive ( if I spend any time out in the sun at all I break out in a horrible rash...hives...whatever, and my man of a year now says my breath smells like I'm burning from the inside. Interesting. Is it a retrovirus? Possibly....all I know is I was a normal kid who used to sunbathe and couldn't care less how dark I got. Now I cannot do that.
Ok. Everyone has their own belief system. Just remember, every myth, every superstition has a thread of truth.
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