My knowledge Jack, um, er, comes from books, life experience, you know the normal. As for spirits, I haven't met one yet, when I do, I'll ask them which gender they are.
I missed out on the sorrow for the most part. I guess the sorrow is for his followers!
One of the books of the bible was written by Mary Magdalene, or so it claims. Some believe it was written later by a devout Gnostic.
Your right earnest.In fact this short quote comes from that gospel
"Jesus loved Mary more than all the other apostles and often kissed her on the[.....]"Hole in the papyrus.
The Gnostic's advanced metaphysics and gave birth to psychology in my opinion.You just have to learn to understand the personified symbology to see the beginnings of psychology and metaphysics it parallels.Example
Mary says"Lord,I saw you today in a vision.Bless you for not having wavered at the sight of me Mary.Lord,how does one see a vision,through the spirit or through the soul?Neither through the spirit or the soul Mary,one sees the vision through the MIND which lives between the two.There lies the Treasure".
Mind,the sensory component directed by the will gatherers Knowledge through intellect to discover truth.
Modern science,technology,sociology,etc uses Mind to gather information so as to discover truths in their areas and apply it for the betterment[most often]of humanity.Pretty Cool I think!
BD
That's not really possible. When Christians were children, their minds were clean slates, they couldn't comprehend the doctrines of Christianity at all.
What then of the children who never heard of Christ at all?
If they accepted Christ as an adult for example, what then do you say was their reason for doing so?
children have an innate sense and in no need of doctrine. They are closer to the creator than we. When we hurt them, we do wrong, and will regret it.
I agree.
Sorry the top two lines belong to Beezle ,I didnt copy and paste correctly.
Kiwi, You made a good point. I was an adult when I accepted Christ freely, and have not regretted one day of it.
Indoctrination is not about one particular religion, it is the acceptance of doctrine, any doctrine, without question. Just because someone changes their religion when they become adults does not mean they weren't indoctrinated, they just accepted another set of doctrines. They still have not developed the capacity for rational thought.
Then the same can be said of you -accepting another mans,previous written information.
Nobody is born knowing too much of anything ,after all,and sadly some pass on the same way.
In the context you use indoctrination ,then its fair to say -ALL mankind has to a lesser or greater degree.
But, I don't just accept others written information, that's the big difference between you and me.
Perhaps, but to a greater degree, you have been indoctrinated into believing myths and superstitions, which you embrace and hold as the most important thing in your life.
Again, a huge difference between you and me.
Of course, you're free to offer any examples of the indoctrination of which you refer.
How then since you could talk ,read and write did you form ,accept ,reject information? and what influenced you to believe one theory over another for example?
No, you are no different than me in that you searched ,analysed, then either accepted or rejected information.
And I know you did these things ,because we are both human.
That is the difference between humans and animals.
Thought processes
It's called 'research'
I don't believe one theory over another, I understand theories.
That is complete nonsense. Even your above statement about "believing" one theory over another shows the lack of the concept of understanding.
Your processes are entirely faith driven and have little if no thought at all driving them. And, it is most certainly not the difference between humans and animals.
Research lol ,its exactly what I said. Beezle you are splitting hairs.
No I am not faith driven when I process information.
I am a thinking ,intelligent female
By the way,
When was the last time a pack of dogs called a meeeting? or read a newspaper then researched its contents? or did you ever hear of a pod of whales discovering new invention?
Not at all, you don't research, you accept doctrines. There is a huge difference that I don't expect you to understand.
I'm quite sure you believe that, too.
When was the last time a pack of dogs prayed or baptized one another? Or evangelized a religion? Or did you ever hear of a pod of whales crucifying another whale?
See how silly your examples are?
How would you know the difference between what has influenced me throughout my life, and where Christianity took over.
indoctrinated past participle, past tense of in·doc·tri·nate
Verb: Teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
No, I wasn't indoctrinated,most definately not.
Of course there are gullible people in this world ,always have been ,I guess always will be.
To stereotype any group of individuals is not only silly ,but misleading.
I really don't see the point in this discussion. It's obvious you don't know the difference between teaching and indoctrination, because if you did, you would understand you've been indoctrinated and would do what every other believer does when they understand that, which is to start thinking for themselves and break their indoctrination.
This how it is:
If I believe something itscalled 'Indoctrination'
If you believe something its called 'Teaching'
Oh sounds fair (not)
Simple, power is masculine and recognized first. God is very powerful. God has the femine qualities also such as love.
Oh, second remark, there is no marriage in heaven; gender shall mean nothing.
BD
I don't believe one theory over another, I understand theories.
Me
And once understood ,you process the info , it is accepted or disgarded.
Its ok ,we all do it
Sorry, but in the case of believers, it is not what they understand, it is what they believe that is accepted or discarded.
And no, we don't all do it.
I respectfully disagree with your entire statement, and I am stunned at the dishonesty in your last sentence. You often dismissed and deny the truth. Afterwards, you spew out silly comments when the light shine on you. Have a good day Beelzedad. I have other things to do.
In order to believe anything -one must first understand it!
Now I understand why you dont accept Christ,you clearly dont believe..
Youre in my prayers!
Not at all. After UNDERSTANDING that some things are fraudulent, are you saying that I should still believe them?
You should replace the word understanding with "ACCEPT"
Because the story reeks of fake nonsense, and is an insult to Beelzedad's intelligence.
This is just your indoctrination spewing more wicked willful ignorance.
Nonsense, you believe in a great deal of myths and superstitions, yet I've not seen much in the way of understanding.
Is that the same reason you don't accept Allah, or Thor or Zeus?
Why not pray to your god to feed the starving children instead.
Oh wait, the answer will be "NO!"
Never mind.
Sorry for the typo. I edited it and clicked on "save." But the word mail was not not replace by male, as I wanted.
I am having the same problems Baileybear. Hub Pages doesn't feel the need to explain anything they do. I am still fighting to get two more hubs returned to published status. It was about the time that I quit the forums that three of my hubs dealing with christian hypocracy were unpublished. No explanation, they simply say the hubs need a revision before they can be published. This site is becoming a joke in many ways.
Everything in the universe, that is the universe itself is simply a revealing of Creators ruach, power of creation, words.
Sin or what is called imperfection, is not what most assume.
Sin is merely a lack of total understanding, by the action of choice (self indulging ones thoughts). Example: Adam.
Creator has never judged humanity according to human thinking, but by rather according to humanities understanding, or ignorance, of their perfection.
Even after man indulged himself, Creator deemed a purpose for a restoration to perfection. The process was no doubt painful for humans, even scary to some degree, because they failed to see themselves correctly. The see themselves needing to know right from wrong; good from not good.
Man feels he must judge good from bad; do good or bad to satisfy his thoughts. By his actions or thoughts, he determines what he believes to be a good person, intelligent, an asset to humanity.
This is his depravity, his amnesia, his lack of understanding.
Religion and science has provided him with quite a haven for such indulgences, to further justify that lack of understanding.
The nature of man is spirit first, then mind and body. spirit that understands the tangible and intangible, together in a single place. This was the purpose of the spirit being restored to us. Now, there is no more confusion of language, no need to translation, or mystery. The 'covering' lost by Adam is now available to anyone who asks with a total desire, rational belief and rational action (meaning rational faith) -understanding their true worth and purpose, as a manifestation of Creator.
James.
Thanks for the compliment re my chosen name ,just seemed to be me a Kiwi(Bird) in the USA (Eagle)
I understand that the topic of Religion /Christianity attracts a diverse group of people from the mildly curious to the academic intellectual and we are all either experts or debaters offering our opinions /facts etc.
My faith however is a simple one and the foundation for all that I believe spiritually. Many things from the Bible dont make sense ,but its the things that do make sense that make ALL the difference to my life.
So my friend ,as far as Im concerned,I never see the sense in argueing who and which God is the true one. I take the attitude Jesus had ,when the disciples pointed out to him a group of people who were practicing religion ,but who were not known to them.
Jesus said If they be not against me ,then they are for me.
Basicaly for me If Jesus said it ,I believe it!
There was a time a knew a little about a lot of other religions ,but lately I am content to read ,pray and practice what I do know ( I getting old now) but its not because I choose to be ignorant ,its a matter of priority.
In the past I have often embraced and interacted with other 'Religions' but many non-believers think ALL Christians should all think and behave the same way....thats just silly and illogical...
Do all Atheists agree on everything -No
Seriously the fruit of the Spirit has gifted me with so much and judging by comments from new friends ,these are all good characteristics, that help not hinder anyone.
To Your Best Life ~
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