Pray is just another word for Wish

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   Those who wish, usually fail. Those who act, usually succeed. In other words, slackers pray and doers do. Which are you?
   
   Do you pray (wish) for something to happen? Or do you get out there and try to make it happen? Which group do you think has the better success rate?

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is another thread running about prayer. Often more than not we use prayers all the time though it is never described as prayer. Why not do both. Each have an effect on the whole. Measuring the effects of either or can be an endless road however.

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      lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is a very big difference between the two! People don't peay for things to "happen", the pray for strength to endure whats happening, they pray for wisdom and understanding of God's will, they pray for others that have passed on to be in eternal comfort in the arms of God... thats very different than wishing to be rich or famous or beautiful or smart.

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         A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You just separated wisdom and smart as two different things. How does that work?

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   aka-djposted 13 years ago

   I would have thought it's a bit of both.
   
   One needs to (wants to) pray.
   One also needs to act. You do what you can/need to do, and God does what you can't do.
   After all, prayer is communication with Him, NO?
   A lot of people can wish, but that doesn't mean they pray, or are engaged in prayer just by wishing.

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      A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If so, it is the same type of communication one has with a wall, entirely one-way.

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   To wish is not to pray. But to pray is just to wish. Sorry.
   
   And you are right. It most certainly doesn't hurt to do both.

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      aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps to you it is just wishing, I don't know.
      For me, it certainly is not.
      Wishing rarely gives you answers. Praying always does, though it may not be what you ask for.
      God is not  "sugar Daddy", granting every wish/whim. He Has a Will and a Plan, and if our prayer/asking, is according to His will, He WILL grant the request.
      Sorry.

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         A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Notice that praying to a wall achieves the exact same results as praying to God?

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            aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't know you prayed to a wall.
            
            Oh well, to each their own.

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            paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Come to think of it, there is actually a religion that does that.

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               earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yes there is.
               
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui9ykCUpQKo

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                  paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Some of them looked like they were having some sort of seizure. Our species is a strange species indeed...

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                     earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Anyone who straps a matchbox to their skull and then belts their head on a wall has got to be a tiny bit sus.

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   My OP was an enticement for debating and ranting. Instead, I get intelligent, well thought-out responses. What is this world coming to?

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      aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      My apologies.
      I missed this "minor" point.
      
      
      Just rant on without me!

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      Nick Lucasposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      lol it got my attention.  I was going to say what others already have.  Nice attention grabbing title though!

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   Dr_Ernstposted 13 years ago

   Or you do both? Ask God for help and do stuff! It's always good to have the creator of the universe backing you up..

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   I have read the posts. Stay tuned.

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   At-one-with-the-universe is not an invalid concept, whatever one conceives the universe to be. Being alone  is so awful. For many, it is outright unacceptable. I am tending to agree; I mean, really, this kind of reality-construct is crap. But just because one wishes it not to be so, does not mean that it will not be so.

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      gracewithinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Praying for me is asking for the strength ,fortitude wisdom needed in a situation or for a purer focus of positive intention. Doing is walking the walk. If all our thoughts and words are or could be a conscious prayer how much kinder would we all be?

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         homesteadboundposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I like that thought, gracewithin. What if all our thoughts and words are or could be a conscious prayer? It's a nice thought, but I fear that some folks don't have nice thoughts and words, so their prayers wouldn't be very nice. Take those with road rage for instance. But if they stopped and thought that they were indeed praying, maybe their words and actions would be different. Something definitely to think about. But I do think that if we all thought and acted with conscious effort to do what was good, then the world would definitely be a very different and a very better place.

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   homesteadboundposted 13 years ago

   Prayer should not be confused with wish, hope, desire, thought, etc. Prayer should be... directed to God. It should not be a random thought that pops into your head, but something that is considered. Prayer should mean something and not just be said haphazardly unless you want haphazard answers.

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      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That would depend on where one thinks God dwells. Discarding random thoughts and the power they have to affect all things is why haphazard incidents occur. Meaning, if we are not aware of the thoughts arising and place little or no importance on them preferring to disown them or stifle them, we are less likely to take responsibility or accepting wholly what occurs in our life.

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