In current times do you think religion in present form in becoming irrelevant?
Once we exist under the knowledge of good and evil religion will increase in relevancy .
For there are those who will promote it and the others who debunk it ...to both it will continue to be relevant.
But once one is beyond the knowledge of good and evil, then religion will lose all relevancy or we may also say ....Only that one religion alone will be relevant because all are it.
What do you mean becoming, IMO religion already became irrelevant. Religion has been largely irrelevant since the industrial revolution, arguably even before that during the Enlightenment. Hopefully it will continue to decline into more and more moderate forms until all we're left with is Superstition lite.
Hi there, pisean282311.
Is religion becoming irrelevant? Since you asked, here is my two cents. If it’s too much just keep the change.
Human life has dimensions that science has not yet identified much less measured. Religions appear to be expressions of humanity’s spirituality through metaphors. They are relevant simply because they are intangible facets of human nature. While science has its theories about DNA programming, cell division, the expanding universe, and drams of other stuff, there are still tons of things about life that science can’t explain and, as of now, much more it doesn’t even know exist.
For example, science can not explain…
Why are placebos consistently effective on nearly every condition from warts to knee surgery?
What causes dreams and what purpose do they serve?
Why do humans blush and why is the process involuntary?
Why do humans yawn and why is it contagious?
Why is adolescence not found in other species?
Why do humans have pubic hair and what is its purpose?
It seems that everything that science claims to know is miniscule compared to what it doesn’t know and can’t explain. Science can not explain how prayers or miracles work any more then it can explain the placebo effect. But it has observed and studied the results of all three mysteries.
The biggest mystery of all is why so many extremists in the non-religious minority feel threatened by others who benefit from believing and trusting in an imaginary friend they call God and who get comfort and peace of mind from talking to it. In contrast, the extreme religious majority seems to feel threatened by pragmatists who rely solely on their intellect and logic for making life’s choices? Why don’t each just leave the others alone to do their own thing? It is time everyone became comfortable in his or her own skin. Stop blaming God for wars and atrocities that we all know are caused by men who highjack religious beliefs to serve their own goals. It is time people stopped accusing religious of child abuse because they teach their children about the faith they find so personally rewarding. Their children will exercise their own free will and intellect in time. The planet is large enough to contain many more philosophies then exist right now.
Religions do appear to be relevant to both believers and non-believers. It is the endless bickering that seems to be irrelevant.
I hope, fellow traveler, we find hope and fair weather in the new day.
Your comments are very interesting and I like them. I am currently reading James Redfileld's the Twelfth Insight. It's about how religious extremists are trying to start Armegeddon (apocolyptics) because both Christians and Muslims think once this awful war comes, they will all be raptured up to whatever they believe. The book has a group of people, one a scientist, who approaches this issue much like you did. How can science measure spirtuality? It's not easy. But in this book, very timely, it basically says groups of moderate people must band together, and decide that the main religions have the same things in common, love, repspect, etc. If they can hold onto that thought, more people around them will be influenced. The end of the Mayan calender in 2012 only means the same, that it's time for a new understanding of spirit, and more people need to agree and concentrate on the points where they agree. I approached the book not expecting much, and really liked what it's message, much like what you said here.
Like any other mythology, the religions of today are completely irrelevant. It is their followers who take the mythologies seriously that are dangerous and unpredictable.
At the very least, even the Flat Earth Society members are far more peaceful.
Religion is very relevant in the present times as it was in the past.
In the present times; religion in its pristine and truthful form is most needed for the peace of the world; atheism is no substitue of it; the truthful religion is based on certainty while atheism is based on doubt. Life stems from certainty not from doubt.
Yes, and becoming less believable with every new documentary on history or religion.
The religiously impaired will find a way to avoid it all though even if it means trashing the TV.
@earnest...ya but trashing t.v. wont stop coming generations to keep asking questions..isn't it?
I don't think religion will become irrelevant in the near future. We all move through a stage where we ask questions. Religion is either a step along the journey, or the journey's end; but it will always play a part in society until we find enough definitive answers to render it irrelevant.
Everyone has the opportunity to ask questions. Whether they are willing to ask them is another thing entirely.
@emile how can religion be end of journey..if it was so ...we wont have had current religions...they wont have come into existence...
We have the diversity of religions because, as I said, for some the journey continues on. People think, come up with what they consider to be answers, and then they share them. Some create ideas around religion in order to make money and gather a flock.
Until we have cold hard facts concerning the question, religion will always be with us and the number of ideas will continue to grow.
I personally think fear of the unknown drives both organized religion and hard core atheism. People who need to think there are no questions because all have been answered will draw their line in the sand however suits their personality type.
Whether any choose to admit it or not, the question stands unchanged. It's all speculation.
What is hard core atheism?
One does not need to be hard core to deny someone else the right to abuse them by proxy with an invisible fairy.
No, you are correct. You are hard core anti religious; in my opinion.
Hard core atheism, by my definition, are atheists who religiously insist that we know everything about everything and laugh at anyone that doesn't agree with their narrow opinions. They are as narrow minded as the fundamentalists.
Rubbish, I don't claim to know everything, I just know horsehooe when I see it.
and I am not an atheist I don't need a god to exist so I can disbelieve in it, I can prove to myself there is no god empirically as can anyone else who is literate enough to read and write.
Um, I said I thought you were anti religious. You've said you aren't an atheist before. I take your word for that.
Apparently not as there are many wonderful writers of all faiths (I assume that means they can read as well)
Maybe they've read but just disagree? It happens I've been told
You can't agree to disagree with those who take religion seriously.
Fair enough. You are right, there are educated religionists. I apologise for that generality.
The point I was trying to make is that there is a massive amount of information out there on this subject, and unless one is familiar with the arguments for either belief or lack of it, quoting one book that is the only confirmation of it's own belief system is not enough to bring to a real discussion.
Goddunnit and a pile of selected scripture does not constitute a discussion let alone a valid argument in my view.
I may not always agree with you, but that line is PRICELESS!! Had me laughing for a while. Funniest thing I'd seen all day!!! Thanks.
Religion will never become irrelevant, because it provides people with hope that death is not the end for us or our loved ones. This is the primary reason why religion has not disappeared, even though science has now provided the answers to the questions of our origins, and even though all the creation myths have been shown to be false. If science could ever find a cure for death, then I believe religion would slowly disappear, because there would no longer be a need for it.
Science has an answer for our origins...please tell me because I missed that one.
If you missed it, then no matter how many times it is pointed out to you, you will continue to miss it, because evidence is not a part of your view of life. So, there really would be little point in me trying to describe the evidence to you, but I'm sure you're already aware of that. Any description would necessarily involve the evolution of the species, and if you live in a part of the world where science has not yet reached, then this will be amazing to you, and not something you would be able to believe in.
Why ask a question which you know you're not going to accept the answer?
Maybe you'll change my mind...actually you have no answer
I wasn't planning on answering your question. The fact that you said "maybe I'll change my mind" already says you cannot be honest with who you were asking the question of in the first place. You just asked the question to be a "smart ass", because you know that very few individuals actually and truly understand evolution.
So, it shows your actions to be more mocking than anything else. And, you know what that says about you? It shows that you're not honest with yourself, much less anyone else and that you would rather create distortion than actually learn something.
But, nice try.
I stated it because we all know there is no known answer. No one knows how we got here. Evolution does not discount a Creator either. At least to me so I see no problem with both.
Untrue. Evolution answer that question. There are not enough people who can sufficiently give the answer.
Who said "how"? Who said we came from somewhere else? We came from Earth.
Evolution doesn't have to discount a Creator. Now does it? If you think it does, then it shows you don't understand Evolution to begin with. The Singularity explained in the Big Bang theory does however dispel the NEED for a Creator.
To me, you do have a problem, its just one you apparently refuse to see.
I see you waste alot of time telling me how I feel. If I only used my 5 senses I would still be agnostic.
I'm not telling you what you feel. So get real. Any statement with regards to feelings, is generalized common sense. If you had any real wisdom, then you would understand that there's absolutely no NEED for a god to exist.
Confucius say man who believes that life is one dimensional usually is that himself. Just as anyone who limits themselves to only their 5 senses surely is limited themselves.
They are not beliefs, but nice try. I actually hold very few beliefs and honestly, none of them are your business.
What I stated in that post is common knowledge you just refuse to accept.
You make yourself clear. Why would you be here if not? And your common knowledge is far from common. Reality is that very few are actually atheist. Most stats show as low as 10%.
Yes I do.
I would be regardless.
It's common in my circle of honest people.
Reality has nothing to do with it. However, yes there are very few atheist. But, on the other hand, I'm not atheist.
I realize that and the world is in such disarray it's not even funny, and that should tell you something, but I'm sure it doesn't.
And just because I believe in God, A Creator, does not mean I'm religious. And there are alot of people like me. But somehow we get grouped with all the religious people, fanatics, Jesus freaks and all.
This is not a doubt.
The question is do you know why?
And where would you get a religion from if not from "gods word" or the quoran?
Yes, I do own a dictionary. Will you be buying one in the near future or will you continue making up stuff as you go along?
You car still lives?
Here is something from your dictionary
simultaneous: : existing or occurring at the same time : exactly coincident
And here you relativity
In physics, the relativity of simultaneity is the concept that simultaneity–whether two events occur at the same time–is not absolute, but depends on the observer's reference frame.
So is "simultaneous" by definition simultaneous or is it simultaneous because YOU managed to see both events at the same time.(Assuming you didn't wink that time)?
I have no idea what you're talking about and I suspect you don't either.
That's a start, now you need to turn a word salad into something comprehensible. Good luck with that.
Not really..a lack of understanding I would presume
Evolution does not discount a great many things, but those things are not rational to believe, like a Creator.
Evolution is backed with evidence, a Creator is not.
Evolution answers questions, a Creator only raises questions.
Evolution can be observed by us, a Creator cannot be observed.
And, there are many more contradictions that we can think of that are a problem for the existence of a Creator. Seems you didn't think of any at all.
Evolution only addresses what happens once we are here. As for the Big Bang...you nailed it a theory. I think it must take more energy and faith to believe in something presented as fact that no one knows for sure. No different than my faith really, except I'm not afraid to use everything to come to my conclusion. You limit yourself to only the things of your five senses. I think you are not only missing out but not being totally honest with yourself. It's time to look deeper boys.
Well, your belief is only an idea, not even qualified to be a theory. Everything in science is a theory. Every theory science uses compounds one another to create understanding, including philosophy which gives rational reasoning. The Big Bang singularity makes you feel like you're not special, which is one of the problems believers have a problem with. They want to feel arrogant(uniquely special that they were put here for a reason) and right. Most of them are so filled with ego, and you're no different.
Actually, it doesn't. It takes more energy to deceive yourself than it does to have faith in humankind. So please...
But, you're not using everything. You're actually doing what you can to keep yourself comfortable. If you were using everything to come to a conclusion, then you would believe in a higher power, but you wouldn't believe that higher power is the same as the god of religion.
You do realize that this statement is ridiculous, due to the fact that you really haven't taken the time to get to know anyone here. You come to the forum to spout your belief, to defend your belief. You don't actually know what other people use to determine anything. Talk about speaking from an ignorant position.
Actually, this would be yet another uninformed statement. I am completely honest with myself. You should try it sometime, because it's obvious that you're not, due to your statements and actions. But, again nice try.
This is the dumbest statement I've ever heard a believer spout. Actually it matches one from another believer. And, when I told him, what I am about to tell you....you'll have been put into your place, just like he was then-
Look deeper? I have looked deeper. I have traveled within myself, so as to tap the power I have and I can tell you right now....there's no god attached to any aspect of me, including my conscience or consciousness.
You should try tapping that power, I'm sure you would scare yourself.
You mean, the Bible.
So, being honest is using one holy book to answer all questions.
Evolution does not dis-prove a creator.
Science is not proof that God doesn't exist... Science is the discovery of how God did some of what God does.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/67947#top <<<<I Can Prove God exists forum
@rookery you have a point...it is strange that so many myths have been busted but still religion holds people...but some day it would disappear and yes "death" is vital for that...
Absolutely not. Trust in God and he will shower blessings toward you. That's what's happened to me and my family, when one door closes, another 3 open...
Perhaps it is becoming irrelevant, but not yet.
Soon, God won't need the vehicle of religion to convey the message. There will be the haves and the have nots -- those who chose to follow and those who choose to stay turned away.
Evolution does not dis-prove a creator.
Saying science does not accept magical beings as an answer does not dis-prove a creator.
I said Science is not proof that God doesn't exist...science is the discovery of how God did some of what God does.
The link you ignored was to scientific proof to the existence of God.
I agree with your above words; I have to further add that science is a common tool of believers and non-believers; both participate in the advancement of science.
Religion (and government alike) was created as a way to control the masses. Religion teaches one to look outside of one's self for the answers. The powers that be decided many many ages ago that the easiest way to control humanity is to introduce organized religion.
If you wish to enslave a man, allow him to believe that he is already free. This is the epitome of what religion offers to humanity today. But it is becoming more evident everyday that people are starting to discover that this is not so prevalent anymore. Why give a god credit for a job well done through our own sweat and tears instead of taking it for ourselves?
Humanity is starting to wake up to the fact there we are in control of our own ships. There is no other entity at the helm. We are in control and have started taking responsibility for that control. It is only when we don't want to take responsibility that we gravitate towards religion because it offers the opportunity to lay the responsibility on someone else.
And then or course there is the fear factor. But that is just another topic of discussion...
I think that it is pretty obvious that religion is indeed becoming irrelevant.
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