Trinity – a case of personality multiple disorder

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Trinity and multiple gods do create disorder and confusion; like not believing in the Creator God is only work of Doubt.

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus did not believe in Tritnity; he never uttered this word from his mouth.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The Trinity isn't multiples of God.  It's simply God.
      One God.
      Three distinct but inseparable manifestations of the same Being.

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         Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         He also never uttered Muhammad but you seem to put him at a pretty high esteem.

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   Judah's Daughterposted 13 years ago

   The Greatest of ALL Commandments: Mark 12:29 "The MOST important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."
   
   Children of God, ponder these things:
   
   God is invisible Spirit; God is Holy = God is the Holy Spirit.  "The LORD is that Spirit" (2 Cor 3:17).  Jesus is the image of the invisible God ~ always has been and always will be.  The Spirit of God IS the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9).  The words 'distinct' or 'separate' that are used when describing the 'Trinity' should be looked up by those who use them.  If the Father is not the Son and neither are the Holy Spirit ~ if they are three distinct or separate persons, then there are three gods united as one.  We must understand this.  This is not Who God is.  He is ONE God manifested in Spirit (i.e. clouds, fire, tongues of fire) and flesh (both immortal, as to Abraham and Sarah, and mortal to shed His own blood (Acts 20:28) = Jesus).
   
   Let the Scriptures confirm:
   
   Isa 44:6 "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; APART from Me THERE IS NO GOD." Rev 2:8 "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of Him who is the First and the Last, who DIED and came to life again."
   
   Isa 44:24 "This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF."
   
   Acts 20:28 "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of GOD, which He bought WITH HIS OWN BLOOD."
   
   1 Tim 6:15 "which He will display at the proper time—He who is the blessed and ONLY Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords" Jude 1:4 "For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and DENY Jesus Christ our ONLY Sovereign and Lord."
   
   "No one can say Jesus is LORD (Kurios/Yehovah), except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor 12:3).

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   pisean282311posted 13 years ago

   religion is creation of minds and mind can have disorder...

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So you agree that Trinity is false.

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         aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did you read the posts by Brenda, and Judah's Daughter?
         
         LISTEN. LEARN. Stop creating issues where there are none.
         
         Why don't you stick to comments and teaching the Koran, instead of always trying to criticise the Bible.
         
         You are a Biblical ILLITERATE.

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            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Quran supports Jesus; Jesus' beliefs and Jesus' deeds:
            
            [5:74] They are surely disbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three;’ there is no God but the One God. And if they do not desist from what they say, a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve.
            [5:75] Will they not then turn to Allah and beg His forgiveness, while Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful?
            [5:76] The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.
            
            http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=73
            
            Quran corrects that Paul has ascribed to be teachings of Jesus and Quran brings forth what the Creator God had revealed on Jesus.
            
            Only the Creator God knows what Word He revealed on messenger prophet Jesus.

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               MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               We aren't Muslims paar, we don't follow the Quaran.  Using it makes about as much sense as bringing a sword to a gun fight. 
               
               Most of us don't care what the book says any more that I care what the laws of Budapest say about jaywalking.

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I know but Christian posters here demand of me that I should mention things from Quran.
                  
                  I do cite here from Gospels also; I have read it. I am an open mind.

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                     aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     That's either a lie, or plain BS!
                     You may have read the Gospels, but understand very little of what you read.
                     As for open mind, all I can say is
                     
                     You do not seem to learn anything you are told. I have shown you dozens of examples(not to mention the hundreds of posts by other christians) that prove you flat out wrong, but you still keep to your own opinions regardless.

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                        paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I am an open mind and I read OT , NT, Gita etc and Quran; I mention whatever I sincerely believe to be truthful; of course others, even atheists, are entitled to give their own opinions.
                        
                        Truth will prevail in the end.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           We know your truth... Islam good, everything else bad, sincerely.

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                              paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Did I mention that?
                              
                              I believe that Buddha, Krishna,Zoroaster,Moses, Socrates, Jesus were truthful in the origin.
                              
                              Their truth has been highlighted by the truthful Muhammad and truthful Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah of our era.

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                           aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Wrong again!!
                           
                           You say you are an open mind, but, as I said, VERY CLEARLY, you make false claims about the Bible, and you will NOT learn from others who know better that you.

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                              paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Is there any harm if you also learn to set an ideal example?
                              
                              Mention with rational and tangible reason where I did not understand Bible correctly; just one example.

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                                 aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Paul is an untruthful Apostle.
                                 
                                 Will that do?
                                 
                                 Jesus didn't die on the cross. Another one. (probably the WORST one you  misquote).
                                 
                                 Care for any more?

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                                 aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 What?
                                 
                                 You have nothing to say?
                                 
                                 That's most unusual for you!
                                 
                                 Here it is again, just in case you missed it. (my guess is, YOU IGNORED it)
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                                 "Paul is an untruthful Apostle.
                                 
                                 Will that do?
                                 
                                 Jesus didn't die on the cross. Another one. (probably the WORST one you  misquote).
                                 
                                 Care for any more?

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                                    paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, Jesus did not die on the Cross.Deviant Paul and sinful scribes collaborated and doctored the accounts of the Crucifxion; even then there were enough clues that they did try to conceal the truth. When someone steals, leaves enough clues to reach to the truth.
                                    
                                    1.Why they tried to have body of Jesus and took him hurriedly to a tomb? They need not do it, if he was to resurrect, he would have resurrecte where his body was lying and everybody from the adultarious Jews would have seen him to reusrrect; the sign was for them, let them see it. Why conceal  and resurrect in a hiding.
                                    
                                    Jesus' friends knew that he was alive and needed immediate treatment to recover; that was the reason behind.
                                    
                                    2.Why did they wrap his body with so much wrappings? He was treated with ointments made from Aloe and Myrrh which needed to be wrapped with cotton.
                                    
                                    There are many clues that show deviant Paul and the sinful scribes doctored the evidence and concealed the truth; but one could discern the truth if one peruses a little deeper.
                                    
                                    I understood Bible correctly

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                                       aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       There you go.
                                       
                                       NOT LISTENING!
                                       
                                       "There are many clues that show deviant Paul and the sinful scribes doctored the evidence and concealed the truth; but one could discern the truth if one peruses a little deeper."
                                       
                                       Show me this evidence!
                                       Also show me how you conclude that Paul was a deviant, sinful, deceitful man.

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                     MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You are failing to understand that quoting the Quaran in response to biblical replies loses the argument.
                     
                     It's like saying "the encyclopedia is wrong, the phone book proves it"
                     
                     The Quaran is irrelevant to Christian belief.  If you want to argue the Bible, you are going to need to argue the Bible.
                     
                     And I didn't say the concept of Trinity was false, I said I disagreed with it(as well as a lot of other people)... There is a distinction there that you seem to miss.

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            MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not a big fan of paar, but I am certainly not a biblical illiterate and I don't buy the trinity concept.
            
            Neither did many of the great Christians in American history. 
            
            You don't have to be a Muslim to disagree with fundie Christians. On this one, a host of other Christians, Atheists, and the other 4 billion or so people on the planet disagree with you.
            
            So you might want to turn your capslock off... just saying.

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               aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I'm not trying to shout in favor of the Trinity, but just because we don't see the word in the Bible does not negate the concept.
               
               The Scriptures clearly talk in totally distinct terms of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
               You and I may not call that TRINITY, or TRIUNE, or whatever words we care to come up with, it still leaves us with the facts!
               
               Jesus prayed to the FATHER, sent us His HOLY SPIRIT, and was begotten of THE FATHER.
               
               I'm open to your explanation to reconcile this in any way you care to.
               
               My LOUD objection is to parr.. mouthing off about things he is WRONG about. Not because he is not a believer so much, but because of the misinformation he has been spreading.

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  If Jesus never mentioned the word Trinity; then the concept belongs to Paul and the sinful Church and invented by them; not introduced by Jesus.

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks for agreeing that Trinity is false.

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               Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               @Mellisa, I have never met a christian that doesn't believe in the God head three in one. Can you elborate for me? If I am being to forward just say so.

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            Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            aka-dj:I fully agree with you, except I would not encourage this person to continue teaching the Quran or Koran for this is false teachings not from Almighty God. The vomit this person spews is an insult to Almighty God and as we are told, "Vengence is mine saith the Lord."

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               aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               True enough.
               
               The only reason I suggested he stick to what he knows is, he's a total ignorant fool, just as I would be talking about the koran, with the same level of conviction and forcefulness as he is about the Bible.
               
               Also agree, that the recompense of all this is in the hands of the Lord, indeed.

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      kirstenblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I always thought it was more like the three parts of the psyche as Freud came up with, the ego, super-ego and the id. That has been the metaphor I have found most useful to try to understand this belief in the trinity of God. Metaphorically speaking, I wonder which one Jesus could be called? I don't think super-ego but maybe the id as it has to do with more primary instincts and impulses of the mind, the claim being that Jesus being God made flesh, flesh being the realm of instinct and impulses. 
      
      My mind does wander sometimes

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         Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting.

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            MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            LOL, is it okay if I just link you?  I'm not up to long explanations tonight...
            
            This isn't exactly what I believe but it hits most of the big ones.
            
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism

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               Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               It looked promising up until the statement that Unitarians do not believe Yahshua is God.
               
               Ho hum, serves me right for looking for labels. Perhaps that's why I fell out of Church.

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Apart from the Unitarians; JWs and Mormons, I understand, don't believe that Jesus was a god.
                  
                  However, any of them, who writes here may please confirm it or otherwise for us.
                  
                  Thanks

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                  MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  *smiles* I wasn't trying to convert.  I just honestly didn't feel like explaining.
                  
                  I'm not really big on the conversion thing.  I don't think that changing someone's mind about their faith is particularly honorable... it's kinda like encouraging someone to cheat on their spouse.

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               Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I still don't get it. I was looking more for reasons based on scripture I guess and not a history lesson. Thanks tho, the read was informational.

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                  MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  In my opinion, there is nothing biblical to support the trinity thing...So therefore there could not be a biblical argument about there NOT being a trinity. I try not to get into scripture wars because any one verse can have as many meanings as readers.

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                     Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     But when the subject is scripture shouldn't the scripture be the reference?

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                        MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        *Shrugs* in this case, the word trinity is never mentioned in the bible.  Hence, it would be difficult to reference the bible.  In other cases, a personal interpretation works better than a verse.  I own a bible, as do many people... if not they can certainly find one on line.  If I, or anyone else, wanted to read it verbatim they could google it.

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                           Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           WoW, ok well thanks for your time.

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   Arcjahadposted 13 years ago

   Only people whom can't rightly divide the word believe in the trinity see you have to be taught that doctrine to believe in the trinity. The trinity is false and the apostle Paul didn't teach a triune creator . But I have a question for Muslims , every prophet of the bible to include the messiah and the apostles all called the creator by his personal name which would be YHWH . If Mohammed was truly a prophet why didn't he know the creators personal name? This isn't the first time I have asked this question but I usually get excuses instead of a answer

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      Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I wasn't taught anything for the first few years I believed. I didn't even attend church because I delt with issues of being in public places in my youth, but I still found the three in one distinction.
      
      In Genesis chapter 1 verse 26 it says, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us." That tells me there are at least two conscience beings here. Then in John it says, "In the beginning the Word already existed.
            The Word was with God,
            and the Word was God.
          2 He existed in the beginning with God.
          3 God created everything through him,
            and nothing was created except through him.
          4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,
            and his life brought light to everyone.
          5 The light shines in the darkness,
            and the darkness can never extinguish it."
      
      This tells me that the word here is Christ and he is seperate yet apart of God. Later at Christ ascention Christ says that the spirit would come in his place until he returns. So there is the third part.
      
      I don't want to argue I am only trying to understand this understanding that the trinity is a false teaching.

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         Arcjahadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The key word it was through him not by him also the word god in English is confusing the Hebrew word Elohim doesn't mean god like it is most often translated it means " Mighty One"  the word Elohim can apply to men of power, didn't our messiah call men gods he wasnt calling them the creator but he used the word Elohim in that verse to refer to human men , a major tenet of the trinity doctrine is that the three are co equal that is flat out false the Son is subject to the father every thing that the Son did on earth was  from the father . Yes I do believe that the messiah existed in spirit prior to coming to earth in human form but I also firmly believe that he was sent by the father who is the one true creator who we are to pray to in the messiahs name but we don't pray to the messiah

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            Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            My wife and I are one, I created my children thru my wife. Does that make her any less a parent then me?

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               MelissaBarrettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, you and your wife are one.  Figuratively.  Was Jesus figuratively the son of God?  Yep.

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                  Captain Redbeardposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  o.O

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   I started another thread on the topic you suggested  "Jesus did not die on the Cross"

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   "Trinity – a case of personality multiple disorder"
   
   I've been multiple disordered for years. It's nice to know that I'm not alone.

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      aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You thought YOU were the trinity????
      
      That's a serious disorder, indeed!
      

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