People don't hate christian, they hate the people that say they are christian. In other words you can not look upon christ and hate him, the true christian have christ in him, therefore they can not be hated. The true christian do not hate people, only the christion that say they are christian hate people.
Sorry, but that's flawed circular reasoning.
Many people hated Christ. Does that mean He wasn't truthful and holy? Nope.
People hate the fact that people claim to be Christian and when all said and done, their actions don't back up their claim. No one likes a liar.
One out of 1 billion might actually truly walk the path of Jesus. The rest....just love to claim they do.
Maybe in your town. Head south and the ratio goes way up.
Well, the good news is, when you stand before God on judgment day He won't ask you about the 1 billion or the rest...but only about your life on earth.
God does hate. He hates sin, it's in the Bible. We are commanded to also hate sin.
Why is there "hate", it is all about intolerance and lack of brotherhood. Religions are many paths all to the same Infinite Power, but all they can see is what they think are the differences between "us" and "them." We are all interconnected.
Yes it was a nice post.
It just doesn't speak the whole truth, however.
There aren't many paths to God. There is only one.
I guess that's the intolerance being spoken about.
Hey Autumn, you hit the nail directly dead center on the head.
Oh hush, you know you secretly think us Christian women are smexy. And I am extremely tolerant of you BTW, I'm making cookies today... and apparently biscuits. Feel free to stop buy... but we say grace. *ducks*
Love that word 'smexy' and cookies to boot.
Ok quit basking in your smexy oreo ness Melissa and share your converted creations or im gonna report ya for teasing my palate against my fleshly will.
LOL! My kitchen is always open kiwi... Send requests in enough time for me to go shopping... and they were peanutty butter goodness. I haven't figured out how to bake oreos yet. (the middle keeps getting runny ;P )
(I confess Im not a huge Oreo fan myself,but learned this one while in the states) and my boys (grown now) just loved it!!
Now Im in a cupcake kinda mood,going through a rebellious dietary phase
Thanks for the hospitality extended too (reckon I can eat TM's share) too-hehe
You're smexy? What's that?
If you say Grace, can I say Kelly right afterward?
1 : unable or unwilling to endure
2 a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights
That's what I got from the online dictionary.
If that is what you mean by intolerance, it sounds like there is more intolerance towards Christians than anyone else.
Tell me, what generally happens if someone takes a biblical Christian stance?
Well that's the definition so yeah that's what I mean by intollerance. My main point was that it is interesting when some start to support tolerance and acceptance etc. but then end with oh but by the way you're wrong.
A biblical Christian stance with regards to what?
Yes, many people do refuse to tolerate, or choose to hate, Christians when we speak the unadulterated, whole, Truth. Vivid illustration of the answer to the first part of the question in the thread title.
It would be nice if at least one would be honest with themselves, so truth can be spoken. However, it's not usually the case.
There is more than one way, Brenda. One way is to follow everything Christ instructed.
Another way: an adulterer can repent, and then go on to continue to commit adultery, and still claim to be a follower of Christ. Repentance, if really heartfelt and sincere, can give you free license to go on and repeat the same sin you repented for.
I agree that some people will ignore or run from the truth, even when presented to them right in their face.
Isn't it good that God has a standard ,when the world has none. And gracious of God to tolerate mankinds stupidity.
I am so thank-full for that solid rock in a unstable ,forever changing world of ideas and standards.
Security and stability ,who would decline those attributes.
The rebellious would, and they do.
Amen, Jesus is the Rock! I'm very thankful too. I'm very very thankful that we are not judged on our own merit, but on His!
Forgot to say thanks Eaglekiwi; nice to see ya!
That would appear to be the only thing God does tolerate, so much so that he rewards those with graciousness.
The most efficient means to Security and stability is fascism.
"There is no freedom in fascism,so how can that be stable?" How is it that freedom is stable?
The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
Absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
But freedom means many different things to people.
For me being in a stable country ,community,family,relationship allows me freedom to be me
Most people claim they are Christians for selfish benefits. Christians are supposed to be followers of Christ and not following what they like or what they prefer. Hypocrites abound amongst people claiming they are Christians.
So what is a person who doesnt claim to be a christian and they do bad stuff? A Christian is someone who follows Jesus...since when was it considered the definition of a person who promised to be perfect?
Christian churches are no different than government. They impose taxes(title, offering) without reporting where money really goes. Fellowship = moneyship. Books, paraphernalia, etc.
Also, the crusade spread the so-called Christianity not by faith but by force probably resulting to the greatest number of human rights violations in the history of the world.
Hell is of our own making!
Grandma said, don't bake nothing expecting someone else to eat ... that you won't eat!
If you want some "hell" ... ; then cook some of it up for your self and see how many others want some of it!
i pass! I envision a different future for Myself.
A pagan though seems to be someone who is described such by folowers of the three major monotheistic Middle Eastern religions. This would include, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs etc. They can't all be destined for hell.
I refer you to Johjn 15:18-19. Jesus was hated and His followers will be hated. Those are His words. His followers --not the pretenders.
Don, you are not hated. Jesus was wrong about that.
Christian don't hate?
The word hate is not in my Castle dictionary, is it in your Bible
Some of them want to be hated. It makes them think their god is "testing" them - who knows, if they can suffer it with big enough smiles, they may someday be Saints!
Hate is perhaps too stong a word. People disagree strongly with the beliefs of others, but this does not mean they hate them. It is possible to disagree, whilst respecting those who do not share our views.
Early Christians were so crafty they created a heaven for the poor to hope for.
The rich was all like this: 'Do you really need a second life just to be bored with happiness? Make the best out of a lifetime and don't end up wishing for a second one'.
This was the case for all those years while the so-called Church leaders eat off others' hard work.
When many christians themselves claim they are the only ones with the truth and everybody who rejects it is rebellious, immoral and deserves to be destroyed, I can see why that attitude would bite them right back. I think the first mistake is to assume that anyone in this world can have the whole truth, either theists or atheists, but that's my more-and-more-agnostic mind speaking, so, sorry about that. I want to be as objective as possible, here.
I do believe that Christ came to die for our sins, and i do believe if you go against God's commands, you will spend after-life in Hell. That is my believe. I do not believe anyone deserves to be destroyed. As a Christian I believe everyone should not perish, but have everlasting life. I don't want to kill someone because they sin, I want to help them change their life. Believe it or not, Christ's commandments are not to punish us or keep us from having fun. They are to help us. Forgiveness, Love, Purity, Kindness, Respect, Compassion, Patience, all these things are not bad. And I most certainly do not profess to know everything. lol! That would be me trying to be God.
"Oh, you don't deserve to be destroyed, but you do deserve to spend after-life in Hell". ---- Being destroyed actually seems nicer than THAT.
Maybe ridiculously absurd statements like this is what makes people hate Christians.
Hate as the Bible Presents It.
"We must hate the right things in the right way."
Christians hate people? Wow!
Christ is about love, all who follow Him will be led to this transformation of heart. For some it is quick, for some a long process.
There are many reasons to why someone may hate a Christian, fortunately it doesn't matter. A faithful follower of Christ is taught to love even when they are persecuted!
" If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world it would love you as its own. As it is you do not belong to the world but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. If they persecuted me they will persecute you"
John 15:18-20 NIV
(Of course if you say the sky is blue ,someone will say ,no its grey)
But in the great scheme of things be nice if we all could at least agree That there is a Sky ..
True. Christianity is about loving one another, and I really do appreciate the basic principles that Christ laid down in the Bible. However, at least in some Christian denominations, the love they express is distorted. Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, shun every baptized member that chooses to leave their religion "because they love them and want them to realize their mistake". In the end, what they are really doing is emotional blackmail - not true love. The same can be said about Mormons, as another example. I have the feeling that, unless people choose to simply consider themselves Christians, instead of belonging to one specific religion, the love they might feel will always be conditional to some extent. Then, the non-religious folks may generalize and assume that every spiritual person is like that, just like many religious folks make pretty broad and unfounded assumptions about agnostics and atheists (or even, just anyone that doesn't follow their particular faith).
I did not say Christian s don't hate. I said that the Bible says that Christ and His followers will be hated. Now Do you recall that God hated Esau? Do you recall John 3:16? And how about John 3:17? You do realize that whosoever believth finds eternal life and whoever does not believe is condemned. Perhaps Christ hates those he condemns. OTOH, he may love those who have condemned themselves. Sin has its own consequences. Doesn't matter what you believe. If you lie, cheat, steal, opr violate those comandments, you will pay the price. You reap what you sow.
Here are the reasons why.
1. Free will verses the concept of faith that claims they no longer have free will but do so by serving Gods purpose any way. This was a requirement to meet God and not be a robot and but actual real freedom.
2. The inability to separate Gods purpose and message from Earthly agendas and Gods true purpose.
3. the inability to teach spiritual maturity and growth. We forget life is incredibly short, we live in a World where free will must exist and we stop growing and promoting a World that provides sanctuary for everyone.
4. We serve as an example by serving what is good and by providing truth. Not by condemning others, serving Earthly purposes and such agendas, but by allowing others the short time before our deaths to seek God on their own and mature.
5. Most of all we fail to mature spiritually and forget that life on Earth can not be claimed or ruled by men of God, because so few of us will ever mature in time to save our own selves.
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