Looking back or even today, man always invented things for his own purpose and satisfaction. So why not think God as a creator and we as His creation and He made us for his own purpose. And why struggle to prove there is no God especially when all the modern science and technologies are becoming obsolete day after day. It seems there is no a definite answer for many things around the world still - but man continues his pursuit for no reason...... Why not pursue God as our creator? May be there is rest in Him - taste and see.
I'm with you on that.
I've been telling people for three years, in various ways to Meet God, and find out for themselves.
Not many are hearing me though!
My problem with your statement is simply that you recommend rest. Why?
If God created everything it does not negate the obvious fact that he is not an active and quantifiable force within our world. Why not?
The answer is either one of two things. God does not exist being one of them. If this is the case, why would we sit on our hands and not strive to discover all of the secrets of the universe?
If God does exist, it doesn't change known facts. So, if he is not quantifiable in this reality but wants mankind to know him....what do we do? Come to a greater understanding of reality because spirituality has proven itself to be a dead end for the majority of humanity to move toward a greater understanding.
It's win-win. If God gave you a brain, don't you think he meant for you to use it?
why someone fight for the non-existence of God, if God really doesn't exit? Is that the annoyance of seeing someone standing good for the God as their creator? why people enjoy the goodness of this life and call it blessings and put the blame to God for the failures and other negatives of their lives. It is really scary to see people argue or fight for nothing......
All I see in that OP is a defeatist attitude of the world around you, so why not believe in God and just let the world go to hell in a hand basket.
Why not pursue God as our creator? Because, it's pure nonsense.
For myself, I would rather try my best to find reality and truth than to make up an imaginary friend and decide that it is God or that it created me.
Imagination can be fun to work with, but it palls after a while. In the long run reality is so much more fulfilling.
And what is reality. Is God any less real because you decided it?
Good point, @OutWest. Reality and logic are based on the foundation of creation. It's His universe.
And so many skeptics are confused because they think it's all about these Homo sapiens bodies we're wearing. God doesn't care about these. It's His immortal, spiritual children within that He's trying to rescue.
"Is God any less real because you decided it?"
Certainly not. My opinion or belief has nothing to do with whether God is real.
Nor does yours. Do you understand that as well? You may believe, and you may state that belief a million times, but it has absolutely no effect on reality.
The concept of God (at least in the Christian world) has been set up as indefensible. God is invisible and undetectable by any means. He does not exist in our universe but somewhere else. The actions attributed to him are all things that we know can happen without supernatural intervention. The "feelings" and "thoughts" people have that are commonly attributed to God happen with or without Him. Even the "miraculous" illness cures do not take the supernatural to happen - our ignorance of the most minute details of such things does not indicate a God.
There is thus no possibility of anyone, anywhere or at any time, ever "knowing" whether God exists or not - the definition and description of God does not allow it. The believers, so firm and absolute in their beliefs. really need to understand and accept that.
With no possibility of anyone ever detecting God or His actions (by definition) His "reality" will always be in doubt to those that require objective evidence for belief.
@wilderness, I don't doubt that you're usually a nice person, but you can be real insulting sometimes. Just because you can't see God or feel Him doesn't mean others can't.
Your belief doesn't make truth. And reality is not truth, either. Reality is a space-time construct -- a product of creation. I've seen the mechanics of creation in action. I understand why "knowing truth" will set you free, because persistence (the time dimension) of any creation is established by a withdrawal of knowing (a "resting" or "allowing," as the Buddhists would say). More than thirty years after experimenting with this, I discovered that Genesis had these mechanics embedded in it all along. The first 6 days were timeless templates for creation (the "word" of God). Only when God rested (the 7th day) did creation gain persistence. Resting or "not-knowing" from a creation adds the time dimension; that's what I discovered back in '73.
@wilderness, your arrogant pretense at knowing is a product of ego. I've been arrogant, too. I know what it's like.
Many skeptics ridicule and demand proof. Their aim isn't science or an honest quest for knowledge; it is pure ego. Ego is the enemy -- it is the barrier that blinds us from God and spirit.
God is patient. He's waited for countless millennia. The only way to rescue His children is for them to decide on their own to wake up. Those who ridicule are only flashing the dirty rags of our demise in His face. It's like a junky who is dying from an overdose flashing their drug paraphernalia in the faces of their parents. Would they feel insulted and hurt? You are doing this @wilderness. It's your decision. But, hey. You can decide anything you want. You are a child of God and have all of His traits -- free will, potential immortality, non-physical and spiritual nature, and the ability to create -- for that is the image and likeness of God.
You can decide to remain blind to spirit (which is real easy, because we're so well-practiced at it), or you can let curiosity and hunger for knowledge lead you. And that's not easy at all. Most people are too lazy. Even I have been too lazy, at times. I hope I make it, but I hope you do, too, even if you don't understand it or frequently ridicule it. Ignorance is also a decision.
I think you missed a good bit of my point.
The OP asked "Why not believe in God and we as His creation"? "Why not pursue God as a creator?"
This presupposes that God is real, and the question reflects that. Yet, our total information about God is imaginary; there is absolutely no factual evidence of reality there. Only man's imagination in "creating" Him and then more imagination in assigning attributes and actions to Him.
It seems that both you and the OP have decided that this imaginary creature is real, that He actually exists, and insist that because others base belief on evidence instead of imagination and desire they are somehow deficient, and not willing to put forth effort to find truth. THAT is what is insulting, not a requirement for evidence.
Of course, a part of the problem is lack of communication. You state that reality is not truth; to me that is a most ridiculous statement. Truth does not arise from mankinds desires and wants, nor from the constructs his imagination produces. It comes from reality. In terms of what IS and what IS NOT, reality IS truth and truth IS reality.
Now, God may be real. Or God may indeed be simply a construct of man. I don't know - you don't know - no one knows. Anyone that says they do know is either deluded or lying. As mankinds entire history is chocked full of looking for God with absolutely zero results I tend to hang to the "not real" side of the question. When the OP asks "Why not believe" that is the answer - because of a total lack of evidence. It just seems foolish to base an entire lifetime on something being real that we can find no indication actually IS real.
You claim that my ego is preventing me from learning - that my "truth" is based solely on ego. What you don't seem to catch is that everything in your post suffers exactly the same way. Over and over you claim (subtly, and usually by simply stating it as a side to another point) the existence of God, but that is only your own ego. You have decided that God is real and your own ego won't allow you to recognize that you DON'T know - that you only wish it to be true. You have stopped looking for evidence or proof, willing to take your decision to believe without either one as truth, but that decision has no foundation. As you say, ignorance is also a decision.
Good point, @gobible. The things of this world are impermanent.
Hey, in a few million years, this planet won't be habitable. At the rate civilization is going, I doubt we'll have a space program for long. Getting off this planet is real difficult without it, unless you have faith in the Lord and in spirit.
It's His universe. It think it's real dumb to make the master of all we see take displeasure in us. But I know that His love is unconditional. But I figure He'll let those who commit spiritual suicide follow through with their decision. It wouldn't be "free will" unless He did.
May we all make it. Stay humble and hungry for answers. There's more out there.
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