I'll leave you to read it. Aramaic Bible discovered. Jesus was a man..
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years ago
0 - Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years ago0
lol
All your research to find out what you already held true before looking?
Do tell.. would anything change your mind?
that's rhetorical btw... a solid 'no' being fact.
keep digging deep. hope your wasted time satisfies you.
reading words you claim hold no value to you to find answers.
maybe you should try to add letters now to do your finances...
they don't hold any value in that regard either...
but hey - maybe the phone company will accept $P,KJU.KL Dollars.
whatever works for you.
i simply meant, i am lost as to the reasoning to read texts which are historical, when by factual basis of hubpages forum records, those who deny Jesus Christ indeed do so in the reasoning that the documents are falsified in light of their historicity and therefore completely erroneous.
On such a basis then, how is it so that opposite notions are held, and opposite claims applied to contrasting views, though the documents regarded are equally historical texts, and at that less verified than those claimed by Christians.
I see logical flaw was my point.
And you've given me the life story twice in the past, I'm aware.
Apology if I offended. I meant it in light heart.
[and couldn't deny myself the analogy at that, especially because it fit so well, lol]
Hope your day gets better if I upset you.look, last reply..
if you find difficulty, don't point the finger, your the only one finding it.
point was, already cleared this i thought, flawed logic.. story was irrelevant.
my command of english is fine, and i'm not attempting a grand treatise here.. 'forum'.........
manipulative? is that a joke? leave that for everyone else. no comment from me.
as far as records, more factual flaws. heresay...
"lol" - quote from first post i made - LAUGHTER- hence, no deceit.
Your very rude btw...
I still love you.
good day.I'm glad you still love me.
However,with regard to the written word, regardless of whether it is a forum or not, the correct written word is mandatory - and I'm speaking as a professional editor. I was employed by several publishers in London to edit. I do know what I'm talking about.
Facts will not sway believer's beliefs, no matter what.
Indoctrination good, facts bad.The same may be said for the Easter Bunny, CR! Either you believe in him/her/it, or not. Whether you do, or do not believe in the creature, has no bearing on the actual truth. Belief does not affect truth in the least. And yes, Mohammed has just as good a chance of being the Messiah as junior. Have you actually read the prophecies which tell what the messiah was supposed to do? Junior didn't fit the characteristics well and this is why the Jews don't accept Jr. as the messiah.
Yes, I understand the religiously indoctrinated have no concept of the mind beyond that of believing in things. No need to remind me.
No, I said I hold no such beliefs that Jesus existed. I understand there were all sorts of "holy" men wandering around sharing their brand of religion during a time when everyone wanted a Messiah.
Accusations of lying, coming from you?
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years ago0
Not meaning to throw water on your efforts here, but here are some Historical Doubts that may be the reason the Church wants to see it!
The Gospel of Barnabas is promoted by Muslims as an original Gospel written by the man named Barnabas[1] who it is claimed was a disciple of Jesus (p. 2). Thus they claim it was written by a Jewish man in the 1st century A.D. who travelled with Jesus. If Barnabas really is the author then it is reasonable to expect that he would be familiar with the basic facts of Jewish life at this time. We will now consider this book to see if he does.
a/ Christ. The word (Christ) is the Greek translation for the Hebrew word (Messiah). Both these words when translated into English mean the Anointed One or the Chosen One. This word is not an obscure or rarely used word, on the contrary it is one of the most famous words in the Jewish and Christian religions. There is no doubt that a religious Jew like Barnabas would have been very familiar with this word.
At the very start of the Gospel of Barnabas Jesus is called the Christ: God has during these past days visited us by his prophet Jesus Christ (p.2). However, throughout the book Jesus denies being the Messiah: Jesus confessed and said the truth, "I am not the Messiah" (chap. 42). How can Jesus be the Christ and deny being the Messiah when both words mean exactly the same thing? Whoever wrote this book did not know the Greek meaning of the word Christ is Messiah. Barnabas was a Hebrew who lived on the island of Cyprus, a Greek-speaking island, and travelled around the 1st century Greek-speaking world![2] He was Hebrew and knew Greek and could not have made this mistake with such a famous word.
b/ The Rulers of the 1st Century A.D. In chapter 3 we are told that Herod and Pilate both ruled in Judea at the time of Jesus' birth: There reigned at that time in Judaea Herod, by decree of Caesar Augustus, and Pilate was governor. This is historically wrong for Herod and Pilate never ruled Judea at the same time. Herod ruled Judea alone from 37-4 B.C., while Pilate ruled thirty years later from 26-36 A.D.[3] The real Barnabas lived during the rule of Pilate, so if he really was the writer of this book, how could he make such a simple mistake?
c/ Geography. In chapters 20-21 of this book we are told about Jesus sailing to Nazareth and being welcomed by the seamen of that town. He then leaves Nazareth and goes up to Capernaum:
Jesus went to the sea of Galilee, and having embarked in a ship sailed to his city of Nazareth. ... Having arrived at the city of Nazareth the seamen spread through the city all that Jesus wrought (done) ... (then) Jesus went up to Capernaum (chaps. 20-21).
There is a major error in this account. Nazareth was not a fishing village, in fact it was about 14 km from the sea of Galilee and situated in the hills of a mountain range![4] Capernaum was the fishing village that Jesus arrived at with his disciples, not Nazareth.[5] Nazareth and Capernaum were two towns which Jesus often visited with his disciples[6] therefore any disciple of Jesus would know these towns well. However the author of this book does not! This casts doubt over the claim that he was a disciple of Jesus. It also make us doubt that he ever lived in that region.
Conclusion: the Gospel of Barnabas makes basic mistakes about the language, history and geography of the Jewish world in the 1st century A.D. These types of mistakes cast doubt over the claim that it was written by Barnabas in the 1st century.
sorry, just some facts i came acrossWell done, sir!
Hey, Jerami! Long time no speakee! Perhaps you can fill in your fellow believer here on making unsubstantiated claims and then refusing to back them up. He seems to think we have to look up his sources for him for some reason.
How've you been?
Jerami, did you go to school?
I'm sorry. But if you want to use something as a source, you first have to verify the source. You don't check the veracity of a criminal standing trial by listening to what he has to say. You get other people to confirm independently that what he is saying is the truth.
In order to prove the truth of Christianity and the Bible, you have to come up with two things:
a) Independent evidence, outside the Church, that provides definite evidence that a man called Jesus lived (not some man upon whom the myth was based) plus prove that he was the son of god.
b) You have to prove that the Bible is the word of god and not just some early writings by shamans of the tribe. The words inside the bible cannot prove anything as they are a conflict of interest. If you want to prove that the bible is the word of God, you have to use secular history to prove it.
For the record, everything I ask of Christians to prove about Christianity, I ask of every other religion. They all have their holy books which were written by their gods. They also all have gods, some of which were born of a virgin, others which ride on tortoises, and still others who have six arms.
So,
I don't mean to ridicule, but the onus is on Christians to prove in a secular manner with secular evidence, untouched by anything the church provided (because that's a conflict of interest as the church is definitely going to protect its own interests).
I look forward to receiving this. I haven't found it in 40 years, but you might.
Jerami, you're funny.
With reasoning like yours, I can see why you arrive at the wrong conclusions.
So you looked at my photo and decided that you went to school a decade or two after I was born. Well, you're 60. I'm 61. So I doubt it.
Next, on the basis that once upon a time you were considered very bright and you'v forgotten more than you know, you think that's sufficient evidence to justify my accepting the fact that you cannot provide the proof - that the proof must be just because you believe some stories in a book? I don't think so.
So, let's forget our personal egos, and get down to the real issue - actual proof.
You haven't got any, have you? If it was so freely available, you could just do a click or two on the web and present it. The reason you keep sidestepping is because there isn't any.
You cannot prove the veracity of the bible just because the bible says it. Using the same methodology, you could say the same thing about the Koran or any other 'holy' book. You cannot apply one type of reasoning for one thing, and another type of reasoning for something similar.
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years ago0
Jerami.
You're also confused!
Firstly, you continue to jump to conclusions. I change as I have more information. I do not read to keep believing what I did. The very fact that I used to be a Christian should tell you that. I also used to believe in the law of attraction but don't anymore. So you're wrong. You might read only what you want to believe. That doesn't mean everybody else does. You cannot evaluate others because of what you believe. You have to step outside yourself.
I do actually know what the bible says - I once read it 18 times in 18 months and spent a decade studying every single word of it - repeatedly, over and over again. I also checked out the many contradictions (and it is full of contradictions). In addition, I checked our secular history, and it does not tie up with what the bible says.
Look, you want to believe in God. I understand that. Let's leave it at that.I'm sorry you had to read the bible so many times to finally come to the conclusion it is merely a collection of old myths and stories. Too bad many believers approach the book as being truth before actually knowing what is contained in the old tome and actually how it was put together.
Sadly, those indoctrinated into the christian faith are at a disadvantage when it comes to having an open mind towards the handbook because they seldom escape what has been drilled into their brains since early childhood. Anything they happen to find which doesn't make sense they simply use the old "we aren't meant to know" or "it will all be made clear" excuse so many fall back on.
It really is a shame so many otherwise intelligent folks allow themselves to be manipulated to the extent they are by an old collection of hearsay and fairy tales. But this does not excuse them for atrocities committed under the excuse of "we were just trying to follow god's commandments"!
Tell all of the former slaves that, or those who were burned and tortured as witches by well respected church leaders. They read the same book used today and unfortunately, the same mindset is still prevalent among its adherents. Ignorance still runs rampant among most christians and will continue to do so as these forums so aptly display.
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years ago0
We know where the grave is.
Where is He, since His resurrection?
Certainly NOT in a coffin, OR a grave.
Ordinary He NEVER was.
No one of His time, or before EVER preached like Him.
His message was NEW!
But you wouldn't know that, judging by your assumptions.
- MP50posted 11 years ago0
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