Can lucid dream help in leading to astral projection?

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jirelposted 12 years ago
If yes, how can I?I have lots of lucid dreams, how can I switch it to astral projection?I mean I've heard that in a lucid dream, we can take control and if we want we can take it to the other step.i.e.astral travel.How can I change it to astral projection when I'm lucid dreaming?
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Keep looking at your hands... That's what an old indian told me, I think he may have been drunk.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No. I think there might be something to focusing on the hands. The only time I was able to achieve astral projection, in the conscious state, I remember my hands being pulled out of my body. And they felt like big helium-filled balloons that couldn't fit in my body. I could also see everything (tunnel vision like) through my closed eyelids. It was amazing!!
  But to answer your question, many dreams are astral projections that take place in a subconscious state.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  can we see ourselves in astral projection , I mean our spiritual body which is floating?
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't see my body. Only when I looked at the bed I saw a lump wrapped in bedsheets. When I left my body it felt like layers detaching from the body one at a time. It's scary at first and you need to make the choice to continue or not. Once you're outside, you don't want to come back.
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  perfumerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  yes you can see yourself in astral projection. don't be surprised if you see that you look totally different sometimes even take the form of an animal. always try to find a reflecting surface such as a mirror or pond where you can see yourself.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Lucid dreaming can be acheived with practice. Astral projection however is an unproven myth and considering so many claim to have done it, it seems a little odd that none have been able to prove it.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are a lot of questions unanswered by science. They'll come around and find proof once technology allows it.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A simple test of someone claiming to be capable of astral projection would be to isolate them for a while and ask them to tell us something specific that they saw that they couldnt have known about.
  
  Science has nothing to answer for, it is simply the means for testing claims.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree with you on that, Jesus. A hundred years ago our technology was considered Science Fiction. Look where we are right now. Just because Science hasn't been able to explain the paranormal phenomena that many "claim" exists, doesn't mean that they won't find a way to prove its existence in the future.
  There are many people who have had out of body experiences and have been able to prove that their spirit was fully alert. They've been able to provide information that happened in real time while they were unconscious. There are plenty of documentaries on this. I, for one, have had plenty of experiences that can't be explained by physical laws. Yet, I know that they happened and I've had proof that they were real. But if I am certain that they exist and I've received validation, why would I bother in trying to make other people believe that what I'm saying is true? I've got all the proof I need.
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus, that has been done with NDE's. There are of course different circumstances for someone having an NDE than astral projection.
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  perfumerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  now a days our scientists are not afraid to tell the truth.
  http://www.issc-taste.org/arc/dbo.cgi?set=expo&ss=1
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sharing the link, perfumer. I shall take a look!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey I was looking for you the other night but I'm new to this and I fell off my astral.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  you fell off your astral . . . ???
  
  Are you trying to tell me that you fell on your astral a$$?? (hee-hee)
  
  What's cookin' hippy?!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not much girly, I gotta go to sleep soon, its getting late
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Whatcha mean?! The party's getting started! Wooohooo!!!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Haha I know you wild teacher types
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are no names there, it could all be made up and certainly does appear that way.
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  A Thousand Wordsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'll have to ask my boyfriend. He's into that type of stuff.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Please ask your boyfriend:)
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I did a lot of astral travel as a child. It was very strange and sometimes scary at the moment of 'departure'.
  The physical sensations that come when the soul leaves the body is a bit unnerving.
  Of course as a child, I did not know about AP. I thought that what I was doing was 'normal'.
  It all started for me by 'looking' at the back of my eyelids, or as I leaned later, the third eye area.
  It was a kaleidoscope of color and moving shapes, swirls and such, then it felt as if I was spinning. That was fun, but then came the exiting of the body. Sometimes I would not go, that feeling scared me. It was not until I overcame my fear of death that I was no longer afraid to leave my body.
  I stopped being aware of my travels in my early teen years. My mind was filled with mundane thoughts and concerns that come with teen life and my parents divorce in moments spent in bed waiting for sleep when I would normally AP.
  I have tried in my adult life to AP, but consciously can no longer do so. However, my husband says that I MUST be going someplace else when I am asleep because he cannot wake me up. His attempts are not softly calling my name or giving me a gentile nudge, he will shake me and I am still limp. This is not me being so exhausted that I'm in such a deep sleep. I get plenty of sleep! And normally, I'm a light sleeper ever since having kids.
  And, yes, there are times when I wake up and I am still tired. Some could just be that it's just what it is, but there are times when I should not feel that way.
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Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years ago
The first trick in changing a lucid dream to a opportunity to do astral projection is to tell yourself that you are dreaming. This is considered by many as "waking up" in your dreams.Once this happens you can change your dream situation. This is a exercise that takes years to prefect. The concept of "looking at your hands" actually was presented in Carlos Castaneda books in which he claimed that he was trained by a "Man of Knowledge" to control his dreams among other things.

The idea is to will yourself to take control by the simple act of looking at one hands. It has been my experience that once one "opens the door" to this realm...it is hard to close it! You may experience many strange things like physic attacks and other unpleasant nightmare like things!
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In my lucid dreams,I told to myself that I'm dreaming and that I want to astral travel.But even at that time, when I felt that I was astral projecting, later I came to know that ,I was dreaming.I was in my room floating.But I couldn't see my body.I was dreaming inside a dream just like in 'Inception'and then I had to wake up twice, from my connected dreams in which I didn't know that I was dreaming unless I really woke up.I started to dream in mu lucid dream when I forced myself to astral project.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is it normal to dream that you're astral projecting?
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  Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  From every thing you have told me I would have to assume that you are "close" in accomplishing the goal of what people call "astral projection." What does that mean, though when you are dealing with a subject that is not tangible or able to be proven? There are so many theories about this sort of thing and I believe there are forces at work that wants to take control of person once they reach a certain level of "dream manipulation". Many thought teach that you need the help of a "spirit guide" to actually accomplish "true" astral projection.
  
  The question is, can these guides be trusted? My experience has lead me to believe that they can not! "They" do not have our best interest at heart!
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paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago
I'd like to astral project to whoever is running this stupid universe aka lab experiment. I'd like to ask he/she/it a few choice questions. Of course I would probably be euthanized on the spot...
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  hehe.Thats a nice question.I wasn't thinking of it.lol
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dmopposted 12 years ago
There is the belief that astral projection is possible through deep meditation in which a sleep state is achieved. This type of meditation takes years to achieve though, and learning to astral project can take years beyond that. It is believed that this is the method used by Nostradamus to see the things he saw.
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WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago
You are practicing astral projection as we speak. The internet is a man made astral plane.

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erickcbposted 12 years ago
Do not do it. Look into these things further before you go all in. Beware that there are sinister things lurking in the unknown realms. And like Highvoltagewriter said, once the door is open, it is definitely hard to close if even possible.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes, when I try to so astral projection and when I'm completely relaxed, I get scared too.Like you said, I'm scared to see other paranormal beings when I'm in astral plane.
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Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years ago
Astral Projection is not a physical event so it is hard to prove scientifically. Just like lucid dreaming, can you actual prove that you had a lucid dream to someone besides yourself? The only way to do that would be if you were able to share a dream with another person. I like what WD Curry said about the internet being a form of projection...but is projection from a machine, not a human body. Astral Projection is something that has been believed and practiced in several of cultures though out time.

Back when I was young and foolish I experimented quite a lot with different methods and even the use of Psychedelics. I have some very bizarre and firefighting experiences and has never been able to prove it was real in away that would hold up to scientific standards. So was it all illusion? I am not certain...I just know it is something I no longer explore!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If one were isolated and saw something that they could not have seen then that would be proof that they had an out of body experience. It should be quite easily tested. If the isolated person saw something that they could not have seen from isolation, then they must be telling the truth.
  
  Noone ever has though.
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus, check with the Munroe Institute.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The monroe institute sure make a lot of money from believers....
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As has the church.
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Jewelsposted 12 years ago
Yoga Nidra is a method of putting your body into a state whereby 'lifting off' consciously is possible. I'd like to say it's easy but I haven't mastered it. I did a hub on Astral Travelling which outlays this method. There are also several books by Robert Munroe (Munroe Institute) which has done a lot of research on astral travelling/projection.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Jewels.I think I should read your hub.Can I learn yoga nidra from the internet.I know alot of yogas but not this one.
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You may be able to get a cd. It helps if you can get a recording and play it in your bedroom when you're about to go to sleep.
  
  I have had the experience of landing back in my body as I gained consciousness just before waking. It was a scary experience mainly because I didn't understand what was happening. The key is not to travel too far when you separate, but stay just above your body. Stabilize this by doing it many times, then moving away is easier.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I KNEW it was you Jewels... (those big floaty hands!! - Around my Cornflakes!)
  
  Next time you fly around my kitchen in the middle of the night.. kindly DON'T Steal my breakfast again Okay!
  
  Another way to know that you've been busy is.. that you feel tired during the day and can't work out why. I have planed on several occasions in my life and other than watching myself in a NDE from drowning.. the other times have all been when I have been 100% relaxed and 'with' my environment. I also personally believe it is linked to, or helps form our intuitiveness.
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Could you put a little more sugar on them next time!
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lorlie6posted 12 years ago
jirel, I think so...at least I can see how lucid dreaming could assist in the projection of the astral 'self'. Lucid dreams are hard to come by for me, personally, but those who can, are very, very fortunate!
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jirelposted 12 years ago
Many times I even got scared when I felt completely relaxed.I've listened to few recordings but they didn't work.I'll try my best.But sometimes I'm scared.Once I dreamt that I was in astral plane.It was kind of dark outside.I flew out of my body and I went outside my room.Saw two strangers.I asked them that how could they see me, as humans cannot see me while astral projecting.They just laughed.To check if I was in astral projection I went to my friends room.But I think I imagined everything.
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  Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It seems to me that you have a "gift" for this sort of thing...but then again it could be considered a "curse" for the realm you are entering is very strange realm indeed! There are not the same rules as there are in the "material world"! It is my educated guess is that those who you saw were spirits. To have a better understanding of my views and why I do not practice this sort of thing any more, you should read some of my hubs concerning my past as a Occultist!
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jirelposted 12 years ago
what can we see when we are in astral place besides humans?What are the other creatures?i read that we can even see spirits of dead people.Can two people who are in astral place at the same time in the same place see each other?
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are literally a myriad of spaces in astral worlds, unfathomable in its magnitude. It is important to hold onto your integrity. Some places you just don't want to be in. Not everything is as you would think it to be from our normal mental standpoint.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, while in Astral plane you are in the dimension where spirits live, so yes, you can see them, feel and sync to their energy, as well as feel and sync to the energy of a living person who is having an astral projection like you. I only had one very long fully-conscious projection (by fully conscious I mean that my eyes were closed but I was able to see everything around me) and a few shorter fully-conscious projections. In one of these shorter ones, I was able to see small lights moving in my backyard and I somehow I knew that they were animals. I've also been able to see the light of my dog, and my other dog that died years ago and was still around the house. It's very strange and I know everybody is thinking... "What in the world is she smoking!" but seriously, this was my personal experience, and I've never even smoked pot in my life. Maybe if I did, I wouldn't be so weird! LOL
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like you had a dream to me.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. I can understand how hearing about it would give the impression of it being a dream. But there is a big difference between dreaming and fully conscious projection. You just have to experience it first-hand to understand.
  I think that quantum physics will eventually answer the astral projection experience. It's amazing the things they're uncovering now.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have had plenty of dreams that felt very real, I have also had plenty of dreams that I have been able to control. I have also had a few dreams that coincided with things that happened while I was asleep. They were still all dreams though.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I can't tell if what you experienced was a dream or a projection, but I'll tell you this... whe it happens through a dream and you get proof that you were dreaming somthing that happened in real time, its usually a projection. I'll give you an example: Monday at 4am I woke up from a pretty disturbing nightmare that had to do with someone in my family. My sister called me at 7am to tell me she had the same dream as me and woke up at 4am. What are the chances of something like this happening when we live in two different cities and had not talked for an entire week? Did it feel like a dream? Yes. Was it a dream? No. It was an astral projection that we shared in common, but it happened during a state of unconsciousness, therefore it is very much like a lucid dream.
  But a conscious projection is when you are resting and you start feeling your soul lifting from your body, floating above it, and your eyelids are closed but you can see. It's a truly unique experience. I wish you could have it some day. Who knows? Maybe you will.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The possibilities and probabilities for those things are such that these types of coincidences happen all the time. It's just that people tend to focus on them and ignore all the other many, many other times nothing happens.
  
  No, it wasn't because astral projection is impossible due to the fact the human body does not and cannot work that way. This is simple biology 101.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and one hundred years ago no one would have believed half the things that science has been able to achieve today. Don't discard something as a fluke just because it hasn't been proven yet. Troubled Man, if all scientists thought like you, we'd still be living like primitives. To achieve one must be open to all sorts of possibilities and be willing to go the extra mile to answer the "improbrobibilities".
  And by the way, I wasn't talking about the physical body. I was talking about the soul. You have one, whether you like it or not. Love and Peace, brother!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't matter what happened a hundred years ago or a million years ago, astral projection is impossible because the body does not and cannot work that way, see biology 101.
  
  Coincidences happen due to probabilities and possibilities, that is a fact.
  
  I think just like scientists, it is nonsense such as astral projection that is an affront to thinking and to everything scientists achieve.
  
  Once again, astral projection has nothing to do with possibilities, it is simplyt impossible because the human body does not and cannot work that way. This is very easy to understand if you know anything about biology.
  
  Sorry, but souls have never been shown to exist, so it is highly unlikely anyone has one. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, it is a matter of understanding reality.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Out of curiosity, how would you suggest one go about proving a soul exists?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There has to be some evidence, first.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wouldn't evidence be a form of proof? I think you are sidestepping the question.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, evidence and proof are two different things.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh. You mean like Bigfoot's foot print.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Footprints can easily be faked and they have.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. And they can easily be real, but we lack the ability to prove it; so we err on the side of caution and admit we don't know for sure what they are.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Unless they've already been shown to be a hoax, which is usually the case.
  
  It's odd that scientists can discover new species of tiny insects in remote parts of the world, yet something the size of a volkswagon is impossible to find near rural areas.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ok. You do realize we aren't actually talking about Bigfoot?
  
  The point was that there are people who have seen evidence of the spiritual.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  They are either lying or delusional. Evidence means we can all observe it, test it and get results. Evidence is not about personal emotionally charged hallucinations.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I trust you to tell the truth, but how do I know you aren't lying or delusional?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  About what?
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  About anything. You can't simply assume just because someone says something that you can't verify they are lying or delusional. I trust people to tell the truth, as they saw it. It is definitely possible that they misunderstood, and there is a simple explanation; but I don't think people go out of their way to make things up. Do you? If not, why assume that about someone else?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Who said anything about what I can verify?
  
  And yet, we find, people don't tell the truth, especially if they are believers in the supernatural.
  
  Yes, they do make things up, and often. It has been termed the War on Reason and is dangerous to societies and us as humans.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You know, you almost sound like the hubber arguing for the fact that Satan is worshipped by world leaders. Same dogmatic behavior; different beliefs.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Is that what you believe? I suppose to a believer, reality is somewhat dogmatic and full of ridiculous beliefs. Evidence and facts have no room in their closed minded worlds.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No ATM. It isn't what I believe. It is what I think. Any sane person that is so insistent that everyone is delusional and/or lying has an agenda. Because the 'everyone is crazy but me' argument is highly suspicious.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Once again, as usual, you put words in my mouth, so it is obviously pointless having a discussion with you.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  Once again, men don't talk like that, mam.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'll agree that it is pointless to have a discussion with you. I'd disagree as to the reasons. Maybe you have Alzheimers. Maybe you just like to forget comments you made. Maybe you are lying or delusional. It's a mystery. Here's an excerpt from our earlier exchange:
  
  Emile R wrote:
  
  The point was that there are people who have seen evidence of the spiritual.
  
  A Troubled Man wrote; They are either lying or delusional.
  
  That's a whole lot of people you think are lying or delusional.
  
  My comment about 'everyone is crazy but me' wasn't implying that you had said that. It meant that your comments come off that way. Sorry if you were confused.
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This is where you called people here liars. True, you did not point the finger at a specific person, but you lumped all people who say they have experienced the spiritual (soul & AP) into a group you call liars, so it is implied that you have called the people here liars.
  
  As for your name- my apologies.
  I was confused, sorry, I was not fully awake, my level of consciousness was not at the 'aware' level yet.
  I was thinking the name was disturbedman, when it's actually troubledman, but same thing....
  
  Not all of Lilly's studies where done using LSD...or any other drug....
  And the way you bring that up sounds as if the use of LSD discredits the evidence....it is what it is regardless of how it came to be.
  The experiences happened and the results recorded...just as science observes something and collects data to help come to some theory.
  
  Please tell me how my statement about science and no absolutes says to you that I know very little about science.
  To me, your response to my comment about science and absolutes, tells me that while you may know some specifics about certain scientific evidence, you are mosty clueless about the dynamics of science as a means of study.
  Are you aware that words like 'fact' 'truth' and 'law' have different points of meaning when talking about something scientific?
  Science never says- 'we can't provide any proof, so it does not exist.' All it means is that they do not have to tools needed to figure out the whys and whats.
  But it seems to be that you are set in a black and white world. If science can't prove it, it's nothing.
  
  I know a bit about biology, but biology is a broad subject, so I don't know everything about it.
  In astral projection, the body does nothing but continue to preform the basic functions needed....breathing, blood flow, etc. It is the spirit or soul of the being that takes the journey.
  And as you say, there is no proof of a soul...(or was that someone else who said that)
  Science may not been able to determine what Astral Projection is, and most scientists are currently assuming that the source of AP is imagination....ok, so scientifically study and explain imagination and how that works.
  Explain instinct. How is it that an animal just 'knows' without ever being taught. How does that work?
  
  Levels of consciousness- that is a long list.
  Subconscious, unconscious, altered, conscious, and then some. These are all broken down into different types within these levels.
  Conscious can be love, anger, jealousy; unconscious is sleep, coma;
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  ....
  
  At this point my level of consciousness says that you will not take what I say and think about it. That you will stand firm in your beliefs and will continue to argue.
  
  I did not come here to argue. You may see it that way, and i can see why.
  I did not have the time yesterday to share my experience with AP, which is really what I wanted to do. (and for the OP, I will). I was only able to make a few quick comments one a couple of things like; you mentioned there are no scientists...and so I gave an example as food for thought, not as a means to prove something to you or to say that you are wrong and I am right.
  My level of consciousness is sad because you don't have the desire to approach this subject with an open mind. You may have an open mind about somethings, I am sure, but you are not budging one bit on this topic and only continue to say that AP is not real, that people who claim to AP are liars and delusional.
  You seem to get a kick out of arguing and getting other people worked up. That is not a game I choose to play.
  Therefore I will stop here before I get pulled of the bench and sent onto the field.
  
  I like a good debate, but that requires some thinking and going outside of our comfort zone of what we -think- we know to be true.
  
  If you are unwilling to consider that AP is possibly, just a simple possibly that it is something more than just imagination, I have no desire to discuss this with you any further.
  Besides, you assume I know very little about science when you know nothing about me or my background in science. It is very arrogant of you to do.
  I don't engage with the arrogant.
  It's pointless.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I also said they could be delusional. However, it has been shown some were outright lying.
  
  Sorry, but I saw no evidence of anything spiritual or anything that would support astral projection, which in fact, denies and ignores biological facts. The only evidence it shows is hallucinations.
  
  Science doesn't prove anything, it extracts and tests evidence. If there is no evidence then there's nothing.
  
  Sorry, but there is no evidence spirits and souls exist, so your claim is pointless.
  
  Yes, it is called Pseudoscience.
  
  Strawman.
  
  Yes, states that have nothing to do with astral projection.
  
  I have no beliefs on the subject, just an understanding. It is you who embraces beliefs.
  
  Spreading nonsense as fact is not sharing, it is deception and dishonesty, pure and simple.
  
  If you're getting worked up because your beliefs are being shown to be pure nonsense, that is your problem, not mine.
  
  Debates are not about spreading nonsense as fact.
  
  Something that completely denies or ignores fact can't possible be considered without evidence.
  
  Yes, I understand that you wish your mind to remain closed.
  
  Your posts make that obvious.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It could be possible I suppose. Insects don't tend to run from humans like wild mammals tend to do. If there is only a few "bigfoots" It is feasible that they might be able to evade humans for a very long time. If they are in fact real animals.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And, some day, pigs might sprout wings and fly, too.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Did you actually read my whole post?
  
  I did say IF they existed and IF in very small numbers, judging from how most wild mammals run when they so much as smell a human, it (in theory) could be possible...
  
  And about pigs flying...With evolution, who knows maybe one day pigs will require to have wings and be able to fly to continue to survive.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder how that would affect the taste of bacon...
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  DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe there would be more of it per pig?? Or more meat per fat capitol...depending which muscles would be required to operate the wings..
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I just half fell aslepp and imagined finding an island inhabited by bigfoots
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Or Wookies?
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Scientist- John C Lily; wrote Center of the Cyclone.....
  He also invented the deprivation tank....
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Who's into deprivation? That's weird. Do I need to flag you?
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Flag me for what?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So what?
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You claimed earlier that no scientists believe in this sort of thing, so I was providing a name of one who does.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I looked him up and this is what I found...
  
  "In the early 1960s he was introduced to psychedelic drugs such as LSD and (later) ketamine and began a series of experiments in which he ingested a psychedelic drug either in an isolation tank or in the company of dolphins. These events are described in his books Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer: Theory and Experiments and The Center of the Cyclone, both published in 1972.
  
  He published 19 books in all, including The Center of the Cyclone, which describes his own LSD experiences, and Man and Dolphin and The Mind of the Dolphin which describe his work with dolphins."
  
  Seems he and Timothy Leary spent quite a bit of time together doing LSD.
  
  There was no mention whatsoever that he believed in astral projection. Do you have a citation for that?
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm having breakfast, getting ready for work, so I don't have time to go through the book and give you the page numbers....you could read it yourself....
  But I did find this
  http://www.trivia-library.com/a/psychic … part-2.htm
  
  Science says that we have different levels of counciousness, right? So why is the level of counciousness that is called astral travel any different? Maybe we should give it a more scientific name....
  
  On a side note....you sure can dish it out, but can't take it. You get annoyed when the people you call liars and dilusional call you by your name....disturbed, I don't get it.
  
  Also- science....is not fact as an absolute. Science even says, there are no absolutes....science changes their 'facts & truths' when new discoveries are made.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  From the link...
  
  "Astral Projection
  
  Even stranger are the projections involving dimensions of existence other than this one. Some seem wonderful, some terrifying, some just different, and the visitor is often guided by indescribable but kindly "guardians." The 4th type evolves from this--but the projector is given a choice of not returning to his body. This is commonest when the individual is near death, as described by Dr. John C. Lilly in The Center of the Cyclone. His guides told him he could go through a door, and so die, or return to his pain-wracked body to continue his work on earth. "
  
  Of course, this work was done under the influence of LSD, right?
  
  You tell me, what are those levels of consciousness that science says?
  
  There is a name, it's called Pseudoscience and isn't science at all.
  
  Who have I called a liar here? Is my name "disturbed"? Where did I write that?
  
  How little you appear to know about science. Do you know anything about biology? If so, please describe how astral projection and the physiology of the brain and the human body are compatible and that the human body has the abilities claimed by astral projection?
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you were my child's biology teacher, I'd be very worried! I'd go up to the principal and put a complaint for sure!
  
  Can I get a smile out of you Troubled Man? A little smile, please? C'mon! The world can't be that BLUE!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I know, you've made that quite obvious.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  lol!!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Unless anyone demonstrates that there is such a thing as a soul, and that consciousness exists outside of the human brain (which we know it does not) then I am going to have to say that what you and your sister experienced was a coincidence.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Similar things happened to me and my mother.That day one of our relatives had passed away.So, we spent our night there.In my dream I saw a tall man who was trying to be friendly with me but ended up scaring me.I didn't know who he was.When I woke up I heard my mother talking to one of my relatives.She was telling her that she saw my late father in her dreams and spoke to him.I got curious and asked her how the man looked like.Her descriptions were similar to the man I saw in my dream.I told her that I saw a similar person but he scared me.My mother then told me not to think about it again.She said that since he already passed away,it's not sure if it's him because he wouldn't be scaring me in that way.I listened to her.But I don't think I can forget it.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Was he trying to scare you or did you get scared because you weren't expecting it?
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure.He teased me in such a way that I got scared.I'm confused because he scared the hell out of me and I woke up.lol
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  He probably wasn't trying to scare you. You might have overreacted to the encounter. That's all.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, that will never happen because scientists already understand astral projection is pure nonsense. They also understand the hallucinations people have when they pretend.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How about if I can touch anything?I mean can I touch physical things and move them from one place to another when I am in astral plane?
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jirelposted 12 years ago
*astral plane
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jirelposted 12 years ago
But I feel like it was a dream too:).Dream within a dream.I just hope it was real.
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  Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The concept of a "dream within a dream" is actually a very real thing that I think is fairly common for I have had this happen to me countless times. BTW dreams ARE real, and in some cultures see dreams as more real than the physical plane.
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A Troubled Manposted 12 years ago
Considering that astral projection is pure superstitious nonsense, one can accomplish much more by simply staring at their navel, thus having the potential to discover any lint that may have accumulated there.
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only superstitious to those who have not experienced it. Have fun with your naval lint.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You nor anyone else has ever experienced astral projection.
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  Jewelsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You can neither prove nor disprove that I have. It is because you yourself have not experienced it that you question it.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The human body does not work that way, hence it is impossible to achieve astral projection. Simple biology 101 will explain that. It's all in your imagination.
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Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years ago
Monroe did a lot of research in regards to finding "safe and effective" ways to "project" by using sound vibration. He also wrote a very successful book called "Journeys out of the body." So was he fraud or a pioneer? Depends on who you ask. I once got myself in hot water by calling Carlos Castaneda a fraud in a hub I wrote, even though many have written books debunking his "teachings". I no longer play with astral projection methods, for I do not feel it is conducive with the way I want to live. So is real or a grand illusion? Well if it is a illusion is quite a powerful one!
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It was fictional, I don't really think castaneda was actually trying to teach anything. I think if it weren't fiction, he was only sharing the experience.
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Castaneda wrote alot of outright crap to sellbooks and make money.he is a dangerous fraud who openly took dangerous drugs
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  Highvoltagewriterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, Canasta WAS fraud...for he died 1995!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Robert Monroe is obviously a fraud, he is not a scientist nor has any medical credentials whatsoever. He is a businessman and his organization is based on making money from the gullible. Their products do little more than induce mild hallucinations.
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thisiknowposted 12 years ago
I found: -Astral Dynamics: The Complete Book of Out-of-Body Experiences by Robert Bruce- to be a useful.
Also, Pearldiver is right, if you are very tired even though you think that you had a good night's sleep... it's because you really didn't get much sleep at all - you were projecting, you just don't remember!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How convenient. "My book works, you just dont remember!"
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Another fraud out to sell books.its people like this who give kundalini a badname
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jirelposted 12 years ago
I really tried to astral project when I was conscious by doing the relaxation techniques but that didn't help out.Since, I read it somewhere that lucid dreaming can help to take us to astral plane if we learnt few techniques.Is there any way to it?I was lucid dreaming and I told myself that I had to be on astral plaane, the scenario changed,I was in the other country, my hometown but evrything different.I woke up to find that I took my dream as astral projection in my lucid dreams,because the things I saw were different from the real scenario and it was imagination:(
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  When you achieve astral projection through a dream things will look different. The astral plane is different than ours. I recommend that you read a book called . . . Sorry, I forgot... but I'll get you the title. Anyways, it explains that many times familiar places tend to look different because that's how the place originated in the mind of the person who created it - the architect, inventor, etc. Its very interesting.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thankyou Klarawieck.I would appreciate it, if you could name the title of the book to me.
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WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago
Is this a dream, or astral projection?

http://youtu.be/z2BgjH_CtIA
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hahaha my dog used to do that when I called her name when she was asleep
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klarawieckposted 12 years ago
None so blind as he who refuses to see!
I'm just glad there are more open-minded people out there.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't open-minded to believe you can astral project and ignore the scientific evidence of the human body.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think the day will come when there will be proof. Quantum Physics is opening a whole new can of worms... but I'm not going to get started on that one. 80% of everything being studied sounds like Science Fiction, but hey... let's just sit our a$$es down and be happy with the studies on biology and the scientific explanations that have been handed down to us up to this point. We've reached out finish line, right?
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I just had a thought. Astral planing would open up lots of doors for those wanting to have an affair but can't get out of the house.
  
  And you thought I wasn't open minded
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  3AM Hippy... you and me... LOL We're going partying... but get your wording right. It's astral projection, not planning.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  lol I'm looking forward to it
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Here, this will help you party! Especially you, A Troubled Man
  
  http://youtu.be/fwwPmNWQfIY
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're free to wallow in your fantasies but please don't bring real science into them pretending it has anything to do with it.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You're ffffffunny!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, interestingly enough, I wasn't trying to be funny, but I do understand how small children's eyes glaze over when they are no longer able to comprehend something and their attention span has been depleted, and then they say exactly that.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  sure, man.. whatever makes you tick. Good night.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'll assume that was an "open-minded" response.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it is. I leave you alone knowing that any other word I type for you to read will be a waste of my energy. So, go ahead... have the last word... I don't mind.
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  dmopposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If there is no real science then how would you explain the thousands of examples where people know things they could not possibly know other than by some unexplainable incidence. How would you explain why people loose a few pounds after they die, science has never been able to explain it. Also consider if we are simply biological beings and nothing more why can't we be reanimated, this has baffled scientists for centuries. Or consider that an aura capturing lens shows the energy leave the body as a person passes away. Just because science can't explain it doesn't mean there is nothing going on. There are so many examples I could go on all day, but I will let each who is interested do their own research as I have.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have any evidence whatsoever for those claims? Sure, you can go on with examples all you want, but there isn't a shred of evidence to support any of them. Research, indeed.
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A Troubled Manposted 12 years ago
What's really mind boggling is that there are folks here who teach children, or at least claim they do, and hold the most irrational, nonsensical beliefs about the world around them. One wonders how they ever managed to get credentials to do so. It certainly does show why the state of education in this country is so wanting. As a parent, I would be very concerned.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
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lone77starposted 12 years ago
@jirel, I've only had one significant O.B.E. And I wouldn't call it "astral projection." I simply was where I was and it wasn't in my body. Nothing was projected. A non-physical child of God needs no "projection."

I don't think it has anything to do with lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming is all about awareness, especially self-awareness.

Awareness is a step in the right direction, but lucid dreaming can still be attached to the physical.

Assuming the viewpoint of the spiritual, child of God (soul), within is perhaps the biggest step in the right direction. This can be achieved by humility, because humility is the antidote to ego and ego is what keeps us blinded, spiritually. Because of ego, we depend entirely on the physical sources of awareness. That's why the Bible talks so much about not relying on the physical but relying on God. Some of the kings of Judah got in trouble because they relied on their neighbors rather than on God.

My most vivid experience, I could see clearly the ground 15 feet below me, the parking lot next door, the evening overcast sky above in Los Angeles, and the pink stucco wall of the building in which my body still sat. I could see the bluish-gray blinds still closed, separating me from my body. Then I realized that I was not casting a shadow on the wall; the light was passing right through me. The next moment, I could feel the air moving into my lungs, and I opened my eyes. The spiritual counselor waited patiently for me to answer his question. I had to ask him to repeat it, because I had not been around to hear it.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do you want to have an out of body experience? Flip a Fiat 128 end over end at 85 MPH without a seat belt.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One day I had vibrations throughout my body when I was listening to a hypnosis recording.Do we feel those kinds of strong vibrations making us feel that we are completely paralyzed?If yes, then I would do it again and try to astral project.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yesb that's how they start. You need to let yourself go and it will happen. Good luck! Let me know when you finally get to experience it.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sure!I hope I can do it some day!I really want to know the feeling of flying and looking at things around us.I fly alot in dreams but this time I'd like to do in astral projection.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Remember, that those dreams where you see yourself fying are most likely projections too. Except they happen in an altered state of consciousness. You're trying to achieve a fully conscious projection. When you feel that state between asleep and awake when your body doesn't respond and you start feeling as if you were lifting from the bed, as if levitating, just go with it. Don't be afraid. You won't die from the experience. Just concentrate on your hands, not how they look but how they feel (out of sync). You'll get it.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do you actually read what you write?
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Um... sorry... what? Can't hear you...
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  People can't fly.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Anything is possible.We just have to be open to it.Levitation is real.Maybe one day there will be mutants who can fly.Besides I'm talking about flying not with my physical body but my spiritual self.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  People will fly. The day is not here yet. Still, even now, we do not appreciate the vast parameters of the spirit. There is spiritual energy. There is actually plenty of scientific evidence leaning in that direction . . . at least as much as we have to prove how the last Ice Age occurred.
  
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then, you should have no problem producing the evidence since you claim there's plenty of it.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  The Conversion of Capernicus
  http://esciencecommons.blogspot.com/201 … n-and.html
  
  Thank you, mam.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sharing this link. I really liked it. It reminds me of a TED talk I once saw with astronaut Mae Jemison, and she talked about arts vs. science. And for some reason, what she said about the arts resonated with spirituality.
  
  "The difference between arts and sciences is not analytical vs. intuitive. Science provides an understanding of a universal experience, while arts (spirituality) provides a universal understanding of a personal experience."
  
  http://www.ted.com/talks/mae_jemison_on … ether.html
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am bookmarking it. We know that lady around here . . . on the Space Coast. The moral of the story . . . it's all good!
  
  If you have no hubs, and hop around, or lay in wait to catch the unsuspecting with your sticky tongue, then you are a "Forum Frog".
  
  There is something else we are familiar with around here.
  
  Frog Gigging
  It's child's play.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! I used to do that when I was a kid. It's so much fun!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, anything is not possible. That's baloney.
  
  So, if we open up to walking off a cliff and our intuition tells us we can fly, will we not splat on the ground below?
  
  Hilarious.
  
  Gibberish. You can do no such thing, it's all in your imagination.
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  dmopposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I fly in my dreams all the time, but many times my flight abilities are unreliable and I may glide down even though I don't want to. I have often wondered why I can't control this more as the dreams are often willed and I have become very good at controlling most of my action during my dreams. Just wondering if anyone has any ideas.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's because you don't realize your flying until you look down, manipulating the outcome of a dream is difficult, not impossible.
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A Troubled Manposted 12 years ago
No Emile, I'm not following you down a rat hole again.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's your rat hole ATM.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Emilie, what we're witnessing is a man who believes teachers should be Atheists and all think-alike. Imagine what would happen if everyone thought like him. One thing for sure, they wouldn't be able to blame God for the end of our species and our civilization. It would be interesting.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in Emile and Klarawieck.Things cannot be proved doesn't mean that they are not real.We humans do not use our whole brain.And we are capable of doing so many things.Science will definitely prove it someday .And there have been so many researches done on human soul and spirits.Similarly, I've read that some military organizations have been using some people who can astral project to find things.:)Troubled man really seems troubled..
  @Troubled man:P
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we do use our whole brains.
  
  Science already understands astral projection is pure nonsense because the body cannot work that way.
  
  Not by any scientists.
  
  Do you have any evidence for that? Can you cite any studies?
  
  Yes, I understand you are compelled to turn to personal insults when your fantasies have been exposed for the nonsense they are.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  1.You can research on it.We use only a certain portion of our brains.
  2.If science doesn't believing it then why would military organizations use them to find top secrets.
  3.If you want to know the proof you can research on it.Those things are just kept hidden.And all things do not need proofs.We can't prove them doesn't mean they are fake.We need to use our intuition to know if its real or not.
  4.I'm not insulting you.I mean you seem to have some troubles believing the truth.
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm in the Astral Projection is very much a real possibility due to my own experiences, but one thing I'd like to clarify -
  
  The military finding things that you mentioned is Remote Viewing, totally different than astral projection. RV is done while completely conscious and has a physical target.... Just an FYI..
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Like . . . right . . . tell me about it.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is a myth, we use all of our brains. This is common knowledge that requires little to now research at all.
  
  Making up stories? Where is your evidence for that claim?
  
  They're hidden but you know all about it.
  
  True, they need evidence.
  
  Logical fallacy.
  
  Pure nonsense. Evidence shows if something is real or not.
  
  You have not written a word of truth.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You try to research on them.You'll definitely find the truth.We should not stop ourselves from believing things.If those things didn't exist then no one would have believed in it. Hub page is a page where most people have open mind.You can also see so many hubs about spirits,angels, witchcraft and magic.Do you mean to say that they are all wrong?Or they were in illusion.If those things didn't existed forum like this would not even have existed.You want the proof then read their hubs.They've plenty of experiences with these things.They are the living proofs.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Even children are taught that is just a myth...
  
  http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
  
  Notice that what you believe is entirely false. Why should we not stop believing in false ideas? How is that helpful? What does it do to progress our intellects and have us understand things?
  
  Of course the are entirely wrong, considering none of them have a shred of evidence to support their hubs or their beliefs. That is not what an open mind would embrace.
  
  Sorry, but there is no proof whatsoever, just like there is no proof we use don't use our brains entirely.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's funny how people who think like that don't understand they are just as constrained as the mentality they rail the most strongly against. I can't imagine not being open to possibilities.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly my point. I only talk about my personal experience. I'm not saying I hold the ultimate truth. If at the end of my days my lights turn out and there's nothing to follow, it won't make a difference. But I've had many personal experiences that have led me to believe that we are more than what science has been able to identify up to this point. Science is evolving and we won't be able to see what discoveries will be made a hundred or two hundred years from now... at least not in this lifetime. But again, I might be wrong and there might be nothing. If I knew all the answers I would be the most content person in the world.
  As for my ability to teach children... what can I tell you! I know of a country where all teachers (and everyone else) is mandated by the government to think (or at least pretend to think) alike. I escaped from it 22 years ago so I could be able to have freedom of speech and religion. And unlike other people who try to force their opinion down other people's throats, I know how to keep my personal views to myself. That's what these forums are for - to share ideas and open up our minds to others' points of view.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What? Like the possibility humans will sprout wings and fly? That is essentially the nonsense being spread here. Tragic.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, you are the only one that keeps insisting anyone thinks humans can sprout wings.
  
  When you only see what you want to see in others; you devolve into delusion and visions of grandeur. You probably aren't as special as you might think. We all have brains ATM. And a few of us accept the fact that others can use them.
  
  Why don't you play a little game? Take this tid bit of information Quantum information has been successfully teleported between two single atoms a metre apart – a significant step towards long distance quantum communication and quantum computing, researchers say.
  
  Use your imagination to consider the possible ramifications of this discovery.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I'll use my imagination, just like the others here who imagine they can fly, because that's as far as they can fly, which is no further than their imaginations.
  
  Please don't bring real science into this nonsense, especially science you don't understand.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently you don't understand much either. But, hey. It's always fun to pretend.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you, have fun pretending.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  At the very least, I am aware of the fact that possiblities are simply that. Possibilities. You, on the other hand, appear to be void of the ability for imaginative thought.
  
  Imagine where the world were be if we were all handicapped with the droll and tiresome inability to use our imaginations. I doubt you'd have a computer at your disposal to troll the forums.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, you believe almost anything is possible which stems from an lack of education about the world around you.
  
  Entirely false, I simply don't let my imagination rule my understanding of the world around me. I take the time to understand things while believers don't, they just swallow anything and everything that fails reason.
  
  Feel free to imagine any hobgoblins and nonsense you wish, it is your prerogative to remain ignorant of the world around you. That said, the world around us has far more interestingly phenomenal, diversity and awe-inspiring facts and theories than a believers imagination could possibly conjure.
  
  If you wish to remain ignorant about them and prefer to have fun pretending, that is also your prerogative. It is a very dangerous prerogative to embrace as it stifles progress, innovation and scientific thought and only shows a deep penchant to deny reason and rationale.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I stand corrected. You do have a vivid imagination. Please continue to make things up about me. Your post is full of nothing more than what you desperately want to believe.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Emily R . . . open to possibilities . . .
  
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  OK. I can see the possiblity of riding a bike into the sunset. Without holding onto the handle bars. I'd need to purchase a bike. The sunset is free.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Of course. You don't need a bike. You can stand and hold your arms out and get the same sensation. That is all there is to astral projection. It is easy when you know how.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, teachers should have some brains in their head and actually think.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Think... um... like you? Troubled man, you really go for cheap shots when your arguments run out. From this point on, sweetheart, you are as invisible to me as you are troubled. Talk away and stoop as low as you want. Whatever makes you happy!
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Teachers don't have to be atheists, it's just better if they leave their religious life at home.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Read back and you'll see that's exactly what I do. And I happen to be home right now and as far as I know, I'm not talking to any of my students.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My students are all aspects of myself, they are the personality traights I choose to express on any given occasion. The masks we wear are worn by everyone, though some may become their mask and cease to be themselve's.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you to a certain extent.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Some lose themselve's in the roles they choose to play...
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, just think, for a change.
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jirelposted 12 years ago
I think I'm the exact opposite of you.I can control my flight abilities in my dream very well.But I'm not that good in controlling other situations.Of course,when I try I can change the particular scenario but not as good as how I control my flight.And when I try to hard, I wake up.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's just like walking a ballance beam, if you try too hard, you fall off.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  mischeviousme, I'm sending you this link for you to watch. It's a BBC documentary called "The Secret You". It's about a mathematician who goes off to investigate his sense of "I" and since I just read your wonderful hub talking about that same thing, I thought I'd share it with you. It's pretty interesting, if you have time to watch the whole thing.
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  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Where's the link?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Biv_8xjj8E
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  http://youtu.be/8Biv_8xjj8E
  
  Sorry, it was really late and I was tired. LOL Enjoy!
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klarawieckposted 12 years ago
O hubs in 9 months... goes to show what motivated him to join HP. At least Beelzedad had one hub written, and he was smart enough to hold an argument against believers. I never thoughtI'd say this... but I miss him.
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  lol..Klara..That was funny:)
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I keep reading it over and over again.lol:)
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I kept reading this over and over again.It was really funny Klara.That was nice:)
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Does the lack of hubs diminish credibility? What motivates you to believe in nonsense rather than facts?
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No it doesn't diminish credibility, but it shows that you only joined HP to repeat the same statement over and over again in every forum within the Religious and Spirituality category.
  
  The only fact I get from you is that you lack in the open-mindedness and creativity department. You're the one who's got it all figured out. Me? I'm just talking about my personal experiences. And I'm certainly not trying to sell you my beliefs as facts.
  
  Do you play music? Because this conversation reminds of a music symbol...
  
  It's called "the repeat sign"
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How very dishonest of you to say such a thing. Either that, or the limits of your reading comprehension skills are severely wanting.
  
  Perhaps, you should look up the definition of "open-mindedness" as you clearly misunderstand how it is defined. What does creativity have to do with anything?
  
  You may be telling us about your personal fantasies but you are also trying to tell us they are facts and that science (quantum theory) will eventually confirm that, despite the fact simple biology shows you to be entirely wrong.
  
  As someone who claims to teach children, I am aghast at such a display of mind boggling denial of facts. If I were a parent of those children and had read your posts, I would be deeply concerned and marching directly to the school authorities.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Department of Education according to Troubled Man:
  
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.fldoe.org/edcert/subjlist.asp
  
  I have perused several of the requirements for teaching in the state of Florida and I cannot see how your beliefs and the way you ignore facts would substantiate those requirements in any way.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Please enlighten me! Go ahead and quote such requirements and how my personal beliefs would affect my students if I don't actually talk to them about them. I'm flattered you're taking all this time to tray to nail me... go ahead, hon', do your thing!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Here are just two examples that contradict your denial of facts.
  
  Content and methods for teaching science.
  
  Content and methods for teaching social science.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And... what you are saying is that in order for me to teach science I can't have any other beliefs. If that were the case, there wouldn't be any teachers! What are you... 12?!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How can you teach the facts of science that you outright deny? That's called hypocrisy. So, when your students ask you questions, do you answer with facts that you know you deny or do you answer with fairy tales? How does that work?
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'll take you to school right now. Here is how it works.
  http://youtu.be/Iblfvzn7Rc8
  There is all you proof you need!
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Easy tiger! I don't teach science.But seeing that most teachers (including science teachers) believe there is a God who created the universe, I'd say that if you were to walk into the superintendent's office to make such complaint, you'll be laughed at and talked about for years.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Of course, that is entirely false and it only serves to show just how dishonesty plays a huge part in your denial of scientific fact and the embracing of irrational beliefs.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I see you are a slow learner.
  
  http://youtu.be/twuLr5rQmp0
  
  Now, you have no excuse.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No kidding! It's like you're talking to him about tomatoes, and he gives you the price for spinach! Talkin' 'bout Spinach... Bring it on WD!
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I'm the only one who gets it. A Troubled man is a dying breed of marxist pie holes. She is probably still subsidized by a die hard group from somewhere.
  Their Mantra? Why do you need a god. That is the opium of the people. Live and die for the state . . . Big Brother says to.
  
  I'll just play in the "Traffic"
  http://youtu.be/HQq6nVW_kaA
  
  and work in China
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  oooh... me likey!!!
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you a music teacher? Excuse the scratches. Good luck finding a clean one.
  
  http://youtu.be/aGeoI06Xkw4
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I am. But now that I've met A Troubled Man, I'm thinking about switching to Science!
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  Owl Ka Mystposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think you would be a fun science teacher!
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ribbit, Ribbit
  
  Croak!
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WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago
Okay. I don't have any more time to spend, here. I have enjoyed the interesting and creative thought that I have encountered. You are all good writers, except for "A Troubled Man".

I will leave you with this: I have been there, and done that. I have the t-shirt, the hat, and the coffee mug.

I have been hip since hip was hep!

Ya'll are cute with your speculations . . . you have a long way to go. This will help speed you on your way.

http://youtu.be/mEsPuZ_NjtI
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, Behave!
  
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, that one was for the lightweights. Maybe you can handle this one. I must be off!
  
  http://youtu.be/AE0JTDhvsJE
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You know, WD, because of you I feel a sudden urge to revamp my entire wardrobe!
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bell-bottoms? Hotpants?
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bring on the spinach!
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Spinach? You might be ready for the next level!
  
  Pencil drawing by WD Curry 111 (1975)
  
  http://youtu.be/5Le03dBoO8k
  
  Here is where you start. It is called "Southern Fried".
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Beautiful drawing, WD! Was that my birthday gift?
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's your birthday gift to the world. If anyone wants to get a print at Kinko's or whatever and stick it in a frame, go ahead. As a matter of fact. Anything I have on HubPages is up for grabs. Use it however you want. Go for it! If you need more resolution, let me know.
  
  See? What it was supposed to be about was love.
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's pretty cool. I like it!
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WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago
One more thing.

http://youtu.be/QCr3nL78qWs
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Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago
Talking to yourself, again? Need your meds adjusted?
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  TroubledMan isn't really troubled....he's disturbed.
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  WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A Troubled Man is a woman.
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  Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How do know that?
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  jirelposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think troubled and disturbed both.lol!
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Does that make you feel better to personally insult me?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ah yes, the personal abuse again.
  
  It is staggering that you believers get away with insulting others personally and not getting banned for it.
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  Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh woe. ATM is being insulted by stupid ignorant simpletons with childish beliefs in sky fairies. the irony is so funny.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What irony?
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No one is insulting A Troubled Man. We're just trying to get him to loosen up and learn a little something called "humor." Problem is he can't find the biological compound of a joke.
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  janesixposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I woulnt say disturbed.
  
  He just has his views that hes really not going to change his mind about.
  
  Like most people
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  klarawieckposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think he's like most people. My views are shaped on my experiences, and since I'm still alive and will continue to have experiences chances are my views will change... maybe not radically, but they will definitely change. And if they change radically, so be it. Tunnel vision hasn't done much for anyone ever.
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