The Bible says in Romans 1:28 that ''Because they refuse to acknowledge God in their heart, God gave them to reprobate mind''. A reprobate mind is a useless mind. A reprobate mind is the type that goes against natural principles in all it ramifications.
A reprobate mind always give excuses for every action that is contrary to the acceptable norms laid down by God, made known to everyone through his word(Bible)and the human conscience.
The human conscience is a wonder, but when one goes reprobate; the conscience is lost,until such a fellow take the steps of the prodigal son.
If you have ever ask someone to prove to you that God exist, you are a typical example of a reprobate mind.
If you exist, why won't your creator exist?
LOL The laws of physics and gravity exists. With these two, something can be made from nothing and therefore no need for a creator.
Then why do plants grow up instead of down?
CHECK and MATE
Ron, Paul will never get to understand because he has made a personal choice to be who God doesn't want him to be.
Believing in God's natural principle of life while at the same time denying the existence of the creator, makes no sense whatsoever.
There are many things that Ron Paul will never understand...
"Then why do plants grow up instead of down?
CHECK and MATE"
????????????????? Are you joking? Please tell me and everyone else on this thread that you were just kidding. There's no checkmate because your comment is simply embarrassing. Do you know any 2nd graders that's willing to explain how plants grow to you? If not, maybe the following link will help. http://www.kidsgen.com/school_projects/ … s_grow.htm Meanwhile I’m going to join the ongoing campaign to get kids to stay in school.
The Bible says in Romans 1:28 that ''Because they refuse to acknowledge God in their heart, God gave them to reprobate mind''. Meaningless Bible BS that some people rely on as a crutch because they aren’t capable of thinking for themselves. The Bible also says that a rape victim, who is a virgin, can redeem herself by marrying her rapist providing that he pays off her father. Great pieces of literary work there. Camping hint #65: Bibles make great fire starters. The thin pages are easy to light and makes great tinder.
LOL ''The laws of physics and gravity exists. With these two, something can be made from nothing and therefore no need for a creator''
Paul, who made the laws of physics and gravity according to you, because these are not laws, but natural universal principles? Are these laws of physics an entity physically or virtually in terms of recognition?
Wow, cool down real good man. Even a kid knows better than this response you gave. It makes no sense at all.
Is that all you know about gravity and physics? You can’t talk gravity and Physics with me because i know just too much about these laws according to your understanding of the natural principle.
In my page these are not laws, these are truth about life, we only come to understand them because the creator gave you and me (brain) to understand them. These phenomenons (natural universal principles) can not in any way replace the personality of the creator. Whether you believe in him or not is a function of knowledge and ignorance.
As long as you are alive you have a creator, stop exposing your ignorance.
How do the law of physics and gravity cause consciousness?
if you really want to say something like that, then who made your creator? hm?
and you can't try to explain consciousness with religion. We have yet to come close to bridging the gap between the brain and consciousness. You can't just explain away things that you don't know the explanation for with religion. That's just plain terrible.
so, do you want or not want a creator?
I think it's more humble to say we had one, don't you?
saying we don't have one makes us gods.
So? If we are gods why should we be so humble about it? I don't really believe if there's no god that we fill an empty niche, though. I see no need for such entities at any rate.
Well it seems to me that humility itself is the source of good actions. Look at Cagsil, he's writes about good character traits, including humility.
Visible things are created, therefore there is a creator of all things.
I don't get it...
If someone doesn't believe in God then why would they care about what the bible says about not believing in God?
Wouldn't that be akin to "My invisible friend thinks you are a bad influence?"
So with that in mind this entire thread was just created to insult atheists and those of other faiths...
But yeah... those poor Christians are being oppressed.
Mellissa, why would someone choose not to believe in God? Can you tell the reason why?
If you can't i will write a hub to educate you, why someone will willing-fully choose not to believe in God. It's not ordinary, it's a force that's greater and larger than your thoughts and reasoning. Accept it or not, the truth stands.
You may have the whole world, Christians have the whole heaven, and there is nothing you guys can do to Christians. The Romans tried and fail woefully, can you fight against God?
Anyways, you don't understand what you are talking about. Don't be too emotional when you are hard hit with the truth, You guys insult Christians at will with numerous rantings as though you know anything at all.
For the same reason YOU probably do not believe in the Easter Bunny. Can you prove it doesn't exist?
I seriously doubt that you could educate me on anything.
Belief is either something you have or you don't. It is nothing more nefarious than "This rings true to me" vs. "What utter horse bung!"
If someone doesn't believe what you do it is likely because they think it is silly buggers.
it's not that we choose not to believe in god, it's that we know that god doesn't exist. big difference.
I'd work on your grammar and punctuation before attempting to educate others through your writing.
Everyone encounters an idiot or two during their lives. By recognizing such proves that THERE IS A GOD. LOLOL!!!!!
oh boy. this was gutsy of you!
Gonna make those believers attack you!! Funny how uh.. heavenly they become, huh? Posting these kinds of questions just to get in a verbal brawl with non-believers.
When I first read that word when reading about Sodom and Gomorrah and I thought reprobate was meant to allow gays/lesbians.
Reprobate is a state of the mind or mindset whereby an individual go against natural principles of life. Because such a person or fellow has chosen not to believe in God or have God in his/her heart.
The resultant effect is a situation whereby God who is the owner of everyone, allow such a person to reprobate mind. Unable to identify between right and wrong, good and evil by believing that everything is permissible in life while it is not in reality.
Such people are always arrogant, vile, filled with insult and hate, because they hate God. It is a pathetic state of the mind, where Satan is lord.
LOL YOU are arrogant. Is this a joke? Seriously?
Why don't you try doing some reading and research outside of your little box, "Christianity", and maybe try to understand why atheists believe what they do. You'll find that their state of mind isn't "pathetic".
Not only are you trying to start a thread for attacking atheists, but you're also making your own faith look terrible. Why would ANYBODY wanna be apart of something with people like you involved in it?
I'm sorry. But this wasn't very smart of you.
mariexotoni, begin looking below the surface of your life and you will see that the joke is on you. LOL!! There is spiritual warfare being fought in the deep recesses of your mind. Involuntarily, all scenarios in the scriptures are being played out in your mind NOW.
To know God is to know yourself.
Really? Too bad chances are god doesn't exist.
you're one to talk.. really. go back and read your response to me after a week and see how you came across.
Speculation? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
People like you is why I know I chose what I did. Thanks for furthering my beliefs hehe
mariexotoni, God is not going to judge you on what you think of me; He is going to judge you by His Standard, His Son, Jesus.
well.. there is one flaw with that statement.
There isn't a god. or anything supernatural. The world is beautiful and works perfectly without it.
But I'm done typing to a one-sided, typical Christian. Good day.
What planet have you been living on? It can't be planet Earth. "...beautiful and works perfectly...??????" Madamn, we live in a fallen world.
Lol. you are a joke.
Thanks for the good laugh, though. Like reading the stuff that you write. I am TRULY embarrassed for you.
Really? A fallen world.
And the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was nothing then?
I'm pretty sure he doesn't know what he's talking about when he said fallen world. So i just overlooked it. He's silly
It's not a matter of being silly. It's a matter of making specific statement which wouldn't be accurate according to what they believe and read from said bible.
Consistency, consistency, consistency.
Each person must repent and accept salvation. Still a fallen world until His 2nd coming. At which time evil persons shall die of fear; their hearts shall stop from their own fear of God.
Actually, someone would have to be gullible enough to believe it first. After which, they become dishonest with themselves, but I don't expect you to understand.
The second coming? Now that's funny!
Yeah right. More funny statements.
I'm always glad when Wilmiers drops in. He makes everyone else seem like geniuses!
According to the Oxford Dictionary, reprobate can mean unprincipled or predestined to damnation.
As far as I can tell, God may exist. Or he may not. How can we know? Where is the evidence?
By saying this, according to this post, I seem to be proving that I am a repribate ~ unprincipled or predestined to damnation ~ but in whose opinion?
Paul's! ~ Or whoever wrote to the Romans.
Why should I, or anyone else, assume that a man, who wrote 2000 years ago, knew anything about me, who I am, what I am like and what I deserve?
Assuming that there is a God, why should we assume that Paul knew his thoughts and opinions?
What you assume now is what generation of people 2000 years from now will say about this write up. The knowledge of God is natural in the heart of man. When you have made a personal decision not to believe in history but only in the presents, the choice is yours all the way.
What you don’t know or fully understand, may be due to orientations may be accepted by you after you might have taken time to do a personal research, God is 100% practical. If you pray to him the best you can, he will prove to you personal that he exists for real. Try it and God will shock you wonderfully, do it to prove yourself right or wrong, because right now, you are not sure whether he exists or not; what about if he truly exists, how will you know?
Do you want him to come physically into your living room right?
I would like your response if I could. Well-worded. Can't get my thoughts across like this.
wow. need i say more. this religious mumbo-jumbo is getting to be a bit too much. plants grow upwards because they are reacting to the sun bud. check and mate.
The Bible ALSO says that human beings are allowed to be your property (even Paul says slaves obey your masters), that worshiping a God other than Yahweh should be punishable by death, that working on a Saturday should get you executed, that shellfish are an abomination and that murdering children is okay as long as you do it on God's command.
In other words the Bible is full of crap, one might say that it's a reprobate book.
Also, my creators do exist, they're called my parents (and there parents before them, and so on and so forth until we get to the first single-celled self-replicating organism, and even before that the accretion of the Earth after stardust from a massive exploded sun coalesced to form our solar system).
Samuel would seem to contradict that verse. The outward characteristics of man is not what God looks at, it is what is in the heart according to samuel. We can give lip service to anything we want but at the end of the day it is what is in the heart that counts. There are those that might 'say' God does not exist yet have a heart that is pure.
It is man that tends to focus on the surface and God that focuses on the depth.
If I deny the existence of Thor do I have a reprobate mind?
If you deny the existence of Thor do you have a reprobate mind?
I exist because of my parents. They exist because of their parents ... and so on. It's turtles all the way down. Or Atlas. Not sure which...does this mean I have a reprobate mind if I deny both?
What a profoundly silly, thoughtless, and unnatural world view.
The reason that humans have survived is their need to question things, thereby taking advantage of things conducive to survival, while discarding nonsense. Your view is so psychotic, that it suggest that man has no need to survive.
If you are against survival, then you are an unprincipled person, thereby making YOU a reprobate.
Thanks so much for your contribution, at least i know better than all what you have ranted. What you sow is what you reap, suit yourself with your mentality.
It appears that all you know is how to be a rigid blind follower...And how to start childish insulting threads, based upon nothing but a psychotic view of the world.
Since your view is nothing more than mind-numbing nonsense, I have much more confidence in my mentality.
that's you opinion, suit yourself more, this is not enough at all.
my opinion too and probably many others. seriously, you need to open your mind and let your brain truly think for you. religion is great for people who can't handle life on their own but for the strong minded, it's sort of like , well funny.
Whereas your mentality is that people who don't believe in god have no conscience. That is: close-minded, judgmental and contrary to obvious facts.
This is spot on! I don't believe in God yet do a job where I have come within an inch of being hit by a car safeguarding children. I donate to charity even tho I live pay check and look for any chance to do something to make a positive difference. I personally would much prefer to live in a world where most people looked for practical ways to improve their communities then to live in a world of the 'faithful'. I think this thread re-difines reprobate to make it out as a good thing. If having a reprobate mind means wanting to do good because of a deep understanding of the importance of doing good, instead of because some God said so then I got me a reprobate mind with pride!
You don't understand the main focus of this thread. What has doing good got to do with this thread?
By the way are you better in doing good than the writer of this thread?
That response sounds very childish and mortal filled? you don't believe you are a spirit, that's why you use carnal example when spiritual understanding is in view (talking about the thread)
The main focus of this thread seems to be to insult anyone who doesn't believe in god.
Everything if you know the meaning of the word reprobate. Try looking it up.
I think it could be said that it takes a 'reprobate mind' to say anyone who doesn't believe in God has a reprobate mind.
What is spirit if not the quality of your actions?
I would prefer to be 'carnal' and decent, then spiritual and dishonourable.
You can choose to satisfy the void in your mind anyway you want, suit yourself.
Reprobate mindset is as a result of a person's refusal to acknowledge God.
That's from the Bible read this thread well once again before you make your next comment.
What has God done to you that you hate him so much?
Nothing, I don't hate God, don't believe in God so cannot hate him any more then I can hate my twin sister (don't have one). What I hate is the hypocrisy of supposed christians as well as that of supposed muslims, jews and any other who claim to believe in a godly message of love but act in such a way as to show their claim is nothing but a lie. At least be honest and say you don't give a damn about anyone other then yourself when you are more then happy to discount actions in favour of claimed beliefs (which could easily be lied about when not backed up by actions). They say even the devil can quote scripture when it suits his purpose, so you being able to quote scripture means nothing to me, only your actions can give you any credibility to be listened to and your actions make of you a lier since they do NOT tally with your claims for belief.
I would much prefer the atheist who says, I see no evidence for God so don't believe but see evidence for good acts making the world a better place so believe in doing good in this world, then someone who claims a belief in a good and loving god but acts without any evidence of goodness or love in their actions, by say starting insulting threads on forums. Your behaviour here may not be the same as you would have in real life but here, your behaviour does not reflect the sentiment of the christian myth of a loving god.
The quality of your character can only be measured by your actions, if you wish swap the word character for soul but it makes no difference, you are not a good person and as such do not have a good 'soul'/character.
"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today
Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle.
That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable. (DC Talk, "What if I Stumble")
Aside the fact that God exists, as a Christian, most of what you have written I sadly agree with.
Bits reprobate mindset is not ordinary, and that's a fact. It will appear ordinary except you look real deep.
Christians are those who try to be like Christ..it is not like a distinction. An Atheist is neither a Christian nor a non-Christian. A non Christian is someone who believes in God base on a different doctrine. (Religion)
Atheism is non-belief all the way.
Why they are the one that get offended by this thread....the answers lies deep.
I sympathize with them because most of them become atheist because of pride and personal ego, others simply because of evil influence at one point in time in their life, especially those that claim to be Christian while growing up.
There's no reason to sympathize with an atheist. They are probably just fine. From reading your posts you think all atheists are void and have an empty heart. Judging a group of people like that doesn't seem very loving or tolerant. Isn't God all about love? Also, some atheists can still be spiritual in other ways that don't involve a deity to worship.
Bits, for me its more then simply hypocrisy in the actions of people (their actions betraying their claimed beliefs), that was just the start for me. Once I believed in Jesus and God and called myself a christian. I also believed that 2 people could sire an entire species and that the entire world had been flooded and a single family could again sire an entire species.
Then I found out about genetics, that if today something happened and only one or two couples survived (even a handfull of couples) wouldn't keep the human species alive for more then a handful of generations before inbreeding caused to much sterility and disorders for the species to go on. How much water would it take to submerge Mt. Everest? I then am told to take these stories as metaphors.
OK, but where do you stop then? Noah's story was told as historical fact. Adam and Eve's story is also told as historical fact, complete with a family lineage. If these stories told as historical fact are actually just metaphors, then how is it that I should think of Jesus as any more then a metaphor?
Why not get my moral 'meal' from stories like 'the boy who cried wolf' or 'the ugly duckling' etc.? Their message is clear and easy for even small children to understand without lots of different 'interpretations'. Lying is wrong, thats the only interpretation I have ever heard for the boy who cried wolf. Nice and easy and no God's required
For me lying is a perfect gauge to measure my life with, if I am doing something I feel the need to lie about, maybe thats a sign that I shouldn't be doing whatever it is. Once in a while it's not down to being unable to defend my actions that leads to lying but a society that does not tolerate things it should, then I have to ask myself, lie and make life easy or stand up for what is right and hope to effect a slow change in society? It's a rare thing to lie when you use your honesty to measure the quality of the choices you are making on a daily basis. I find it much harder to argue with this sort of logic then to argue with the idea that the reason to be honest and not lie is 'because God said so' (10 commandments, so he did say so and if logic is beyond someone then I guess the God said so reason is OK, but it's limited to the person actually really believing in God, not just pretending to because its the social norm).
I started out a 'believer' who was happy to do good works without understanding anything more then that its what God likes. Then I became more of an agnostic, not sure if there is or is not a God but thinking it probably doesn't even matter, if there is a God s/he doesn't care if we believe or not. Then I came to think that God is not necessary for anything, creation or morality or anything else, if there is no need for a God, it seems unlikely there will actually be one, so I guess I am an atheist with agnostic leanings . Hypocrisy in believers started a journey toward thinking for myself in a logical and 'atheistic' manner but is not the only reason, had it been I would probably have just found another 'church' to join or started my own, the reasons were a bit deeper then believers who betray their supposed belief. I only say this (and go on and on the way I just have) because I would say it's unfair to blame lip service believers for the change in my beliefs and life view, they may have prompted me to ask questions that lead me down this path but a lot more was required for me to abandon 'church' altogether and look at life without religion or a bible.
As you said, you were familiar with the religion and you seem to have made a REAL DECISION concerning your beliefs. I just think that everyone should be given the same opportunity and hypocrisy stands in the way more often than it should. God says that all you need is faith the size of a mustard seed. He knows that there will be doubters, nay-sayers, middle-of-the-roaders. People talk about being "on fire" for God, which is the desired end result but he is a practical God. Not everyone will be on fire. Some will always grapple with their faith but still rise above the so-called Christians. Thanks for the post reply.
Did god give you a signed permission slip to speak in his name or something? I mean, here you are an anonymous, faceless person claiming to know all sorts of stuff about what your god wants despite the fact we don't know anything about you at all. Why should we take anything you say seriously. Your type are a nickle a dozen on these forums, all claiming to know the truth from their invisible pretend gods. Who are you to tell us anything? What magnificent accomplishments do you claim?
I doubt this concept of needing some sort of recognisable authority to speak on behalf of an otherwise silent god is going to be understood. I don't think fanatical believers understand that the only authority likely to be recognised by outsiders is given through ones actions, many don't seem to think how you live matters one bit, only what god you claim to believe in.
Do you live better than Christians? Do atheists have morals more than Christian
What are you trying to insinuate here?
Don't shy away from the subject of this thread....none of you guys has said anything meaningful yet....stay focus and let face the truth if you can.
Would you cast your own child into a fire, if he/she didn't conform to your ways?
Apparently you are the only one not able to deal with the truth. You've done nothing but run from it since you began this thread.
You are merely a blind follower, drinking the Kool-Aid. And you're angry at us because you are not a good enough liar to convince us to drink...for we can see the psychotic delusion for what it is worth.
These assertions are pure GARBAGE, and this grammar seems atrociously unintelligent.
Another -1 for all atheists...a real set back indeed....garbage always comes out from the heart that is filled with garbage...out of the abundant of the heart the mouth speaks.
This evil conspiracy has fail even before it started.
A religion is better than a non-religion....this thread has been personalized, customized and custody wholly taken by atheists....wow. Brilliant work.
I love that guys, it all goes to show how little you guys can grab.
getitrite....as your name suggest, but you seem to be getting everything from the onset wrong and clustered.....Wake up from your slumber ans face the reality of your life.
you can't run away from your source. Even though you don't understand, others will do.
Garbage comes from the mouth of those that have a lot of garb-ages in their heart, because out of the abundant of the heart the mouth speaks.
Why don't you take this advice, as it is you who are delusional, and living in a distorted reality. You should face reality, and face your neurotic fears, then your worldview wouldn't be completely absurd.
Correct! And since what you speak is PURE GARBAGE, you should try to remove the abundant garbage from your heart.
Why didn't you simply answer the questions instead of ignoring them? You have no credibility here at all. You've given no indication of being competent to judge anyone's actions, much less hold yourself up to a higher standard. As I asked earlier, "who the heck are you to be putting yourself up as a role model for anyone?" This time, try answering the questions if you want to be taken seriously.
and this would be a contract with whom?....judging by the snake i'd say........hmmm
Haven't you heard of the churches down here which allow members of their congregation to pass around rattlesnakes to prove their faith? I'm the guy who pulls their fangs out just in case Jesus is asleep or watching football games.
I want one too but I can't find anyone who knows how to draw sarcasm.
LOl!! I could try lol. it'd be kind of fun, ha!
Hey randy, sad I'm here just to pass time....hey why not
Do you want me to do one for you, MB?
Maybe I should make one. I'm good like that.
draw, scan, post as photo.....
what kind of signature would you do- (has to be drawn)
pretty creative RG actually
Oh come on. Melissa! If Ewbie can draw a pregnant stick woman then sarcasm should be a piece of cake!
Strange...signatures are not allowed in the forums. Check out the forum rules.
Strange? Coming from you that is a hoot, Claire! Report me if you wish. Being judgmental is one of the requirements of your cult, isn't it? Wasn't that you who tried to get someone banned because they accused your god of forcibly impregnating a 13 year old betrothed virgin, even though it's plainly written in the old novel you like to quote so often?
I was just wondering if you were aware of that. It's hardly report-worthy in my opinion.
Look up the definition of rape.
You act as if you were there and witnessed the event rather than reading about it in the old myth book, Claire. And I don't have to look up the definition of rape. It is when a woman is forced to have sex without her consent. And if Mary gave her consent she was betraying her betrothed husband-to-be Joseph. He plainly did not like it, according to the novel you hold so dear.
You'd think an all powerful god could get his own woman instead of taking a man's fiancee. And even if Mary said no, what chance did she have defending herself against a horny old god?
But let's hear YOUR definition of rape.
oh my.. now you're saying atheists don't have morals.
i was offended with this post before, but now I just think you're plain, ol' dumb and close-minded. But hey- it's probably a lot easier to conform to what most of the country believes, than trying to come up with your own conclusions. Yes, go ahead, just mimic what you're told. Act like a leech. Shows that you're a very intelligent human being.
No, that's not true psycheskinner....you are wrong about my mindset all the way....you are lost in it.
Yes, but I have a fully functional penis, so I'm still happy with the deal.
Yet another completely meaningless and useless religious thread.
Good show of the OP's inability to learn tolerance. What a joke.
If it affect you the way it is, why not admit it in all honesty? Why are you guys always so quick to cast stones?
You post more useless thread cagsil.
I just admitted that you have no tolerance.
Cast stones? Not happening. Didn't cast any stone. Good show on your level of character and inability to deal with reality.
Since I called your statement a lie, now prove it's not.
I will prove nothing to a mere mortal like you, not at all in this life or in the life next if you believe in it anyway, may be your world start and stop in this earth. I am not an earth man for you information cagsil. I know who i am and where i am going, i am not like some folks who don’t know anything about life itself.
You want to deceive yourself, be my guest. But, like I said many times before, it's your belief and you have no right to include anyone else in your belief.
Apparently you've too much ego, to understand anything properly or even in it's proper context.
Cagsil, i will forever continue to pray for you until you are converted through the love of God. You don't have to tell me to stop preaching to you, because i will never ever stop. How i wish you understand this resolve, because it is not going to be by my power but by the power of that God you refuse to acknowledge. He will prove to you that if a mortal like you knows anything about existence, how much more the creator.....that's my message to you for real. Call me whatever you want, after all you atheists have call me names until you run out of some.
We are not done and we will never be until Jesus come, this world will be saturated with the message of the kingdom of God whether Satan and his agents like it or not.
About the fact that i have no right to include anyone else, who told you that?
The earth and everything and everyone belongs to the Lord. I understand your orientation that's why thread like this will never ever cease.
It won't ever cease because theists refuse to see the blatant truth of it. You believe there was a creator, we don't. Pretty simple.
The complications come when either side fails to provide a reasonable argument. The only side in which I see any amount confusion, is your's.
nonto Hold your brake a second. Look at yourself from head to toe. Are you not wonderfully and fearfully made?
Are you a coincidence life-wise?
Good, thread like this will never cease, you have to learn to live with it; reason being that theists are real atheists are UN-real every way you look at it.
People only response quick to things that affect them, this thread affect atheists and it's for them to learn the path of life, to avoid everlasting damnation in hell fire.
What if I don't believe it and everyone in country felt the same? Then you would be wrong, wouldn't you?
I can't reasonably tell you that you are wrong, I can't reasonably tell you that you are right. There's not enough supporting evidence to confirm whether or not you are right or wrong. It kind of works that way all around.
damnation and hell fire....blah blah blah
Typical coming from a 'believer' who can't actually see the value of how you act in this world and only sees value in what you believe. Act like you deserve hell fire and damnation but believe in God if you wish, but you don't fool anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
You know, your actions prove that they are not of love, right? So much for following in the advice of your said G/god.
You can preach till your hearts content, sooner of later, the world will rid itself of you and be done with you. And you won't be aware of it.
And, you seem to think I care about something which you believe? I don't care for your actions. That is my duty as a citizen of the human species. And, if you don't like it, then too bad. You speak about a G/god which you have not a mind to fathom. It's a shame.
I don't need to call you names and I am not an Atheist.
Yes, stupidity in motion will continue forever, and ever, and ever, to infinity. Too bad you've no clue.
Don't talk about clue as though you know any Cagsil...i talk with you about God, not g.
You have no clue to that right?
I will go away from this evil and sinful world that you love so much when it's God's time for me to come back home to Heaven,
because I am not of this evil world OK? This world will never ever do away with me; it’s my God that will call me back home right
But the word of God (Jesus) remains forever and ever and ever.
If i die, he'll take my soul OK.
Him you have not but him i have...because you are not his. You will never understand this truth for eternity.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. You're talking about the mythical entity derived through fear of century old dead people.
But, you are of this world. Duh!
You will die and that's how the world will do away with you.
I'm sure no such thing will happen, but that's okay. Because it doesn't need to happen. Which is what you have no clue about.
Now, ask me if I care? Not one bit and I don't fear your pathetic definition of a G/god.
You cannot even fathom that the thought. I have no need for eternity. You however are the one that needs the crutch.
If i response with your tone some Christians will quote Paul messages of love as one has done in this thread…..i don’t hate atheists and other religion for crying out loud to anyone who cares to listen Ok? I don’t know whether you are faith base or faithless base…I care less, all that matters is the fact that I am conversing with a human being like myself period.
Will love stop us from saying what is morally right to those who are morally wrong in a way?
Don’t try to box me into a corner because that’s you’ll never ever be able to accomplish….no way, not Felix.
Listen to me my good friend, i have no intention of fighting anyone because a lot of you guys are getting this message on the left and that's not the intention of this thread at all....
You have no clue to what i have been talking about Cag....i know you do not. Or simply you do but trying to play along with me because you know my mindset that’s I am sure.
Mortals like we all have numerous void in our world and by that i mean what we can never really fathom and understand with this mortal mind.
Atheists claim to be what they are not in my page...what i mean is...there are so many Christians that have the same inclinations like atheists and other theists that are non-Christians....my using the Bible most of the time is simply because i am a Christians but not a narrow minded Christian......
I have to talk to you this way because like i said earlier to you...we have been on this road of same argument before...You and i know very little if we know anything at all.....you may not agree with this assertion though and i wait for your next stone indeed,
I, not once said anything about you hating anyone.
You care less? Yeah, that's the problem. If you care more about the people than you did yourself, then just maybe you would actually be able to see past your ego. Until then, I guess we(other people) can only do what we can to open your eyes to your own actions.
Love is an emotion and if you use it as an excuse to interfere where you have NO PLACE to interfere, then it's not being done because of love but is being done because of ego.
just started reading this "mere mortal like you"..
oh come on.. LOL
His awareness isn't high enough for him to see that.
His awareness is more than you can ever get to understand throughout eternity. He knows what he is talking about, if you are not like him you will never know.
oh well, guess we have nothing better to do than participate in it?
This thread wasn't meant to be serious, was it? Reprobates are those who choose to think for themselves? Must be a baptist OP!
1: to condemn strongly as unworthy, unacceptable, or evil <reprobating the laxity of the age>
2: to foreordain to damnation
3: to refuse to accept : reject
You are unacceptable and evil. Unworthy and foreordained by the OP to damnation. You are rejected.
You're right - must be a Baptist. Or Mormon. Or Islamic, perhaps. Whatever, I DO get the idea (s)he's religious...
Felixedet2000 is male from what I have learned. And Christian, solely based on Christianity.
Male I would not have known and have less interest.
Christian - well, as one with a reprobate mind I suppose I'm pretty worthless at discerning such things. I might have never guessed that startling fact.
Hey yourself, you old reprobate, you. How are things way out East?
You are not worthless wilderness, never will you be. Come out of yourself and see far beyond your capacity; there in the horizon your creator will reveal himself to you. You will never be the same again when you have a single encounter with God i promise you that.
Yeah, your God revealed himself to me...as a piece of waste.
If becoming like you will be the end result of an encounter with God, why on earth would anyone want that? Your worldview seems that of a MADMAN. Sorry I think I will take reprobate over totally insane.
Cagsil. We have been in this road before and you know that for sure. God will have you one day whether you accept it or not. You will gladly propagate the gospel of Christ even more than what Apostle Paul did. I see you spend so much energy going against your creator ignorantly every now and then, he loves you all these while and he wants you to come to him willingly, will you?
If your friend or brother or father, should ever disuade you from your faith and you should be amongst the accusers, then you shall be the one to throw the first blow, to cast the first stone.
The only part of the bible I truly understand. It means that if you throw stones, you are just as guilty as the rest of the mob.
Wildrness, reprobate is define by one thing in life and that one thing is nature. Read this thread well, i don't think you get it right.
Randy, Reprobate is as a result of a punishment from God. People here are already classifying themselves into that group voluntarily the same way they choose not to accept or acknowledge God in their heart and mind willing fully. It's always a matter of choice.
I found that the bible, is God's way of saying we were his broken condom. According to the christian text; we're disgusting, vial, unworthy, hateful and sinful creatures. If God hated us so much, why did he defeat the purpose of his hate with a saccrifice?
So Jesus is the reservoir tip keeping the sins from swimming up the holy channel?
Christians, in particular. Are told that anyone that contests their doctrine is a false prophet and therefore a bad person. They in turn, avoid every frame of refference and any form of contact, physical and otherwise. They don't bother to learn about their way of thinking, they just reject the notion all together and lose out on learning anything new or interesting about the other person. They make the assumption that their equally ill informed religious leader is right, this is wrong.
Which brings me back to the broken condom line. Why would any parent tell their kids they sucked that bad?
Then hating them so badly that He made a special place, of burning sulfer and nashing of teeth, for those who don't believe...to suffer, miserably...for eternity.
What a uber-controlling and eternally spiteful, insecure psychotic parent.
HE SHOULD HAVE USED A CONDOM!!! Or better yet, been...STERILIZED!
I think a penitentiary is more suiting, maybe a death sentence. Murdering psycho killed the entire planet except for his friend Noah and his family. So he's biased and lives by double standards too?
Why follow him then? Why would anyone see that as normal?
Great, are you ready to learn or have made up your mind to see only one side of the coin?
If i get your response nonto, i will write a hub detailing why there was that flood in case you don't know.
I've heard and read every argument you can possibly come up with. I used to be a Christian too and I used to come up with all sorts of far flung arguments. Thank God, no wait, thank whoever, I saw the error of my uneducated ways.
I don't discuss with a carnal mindset for your information, if i want to i can do better than you. These thread is for those who can have a rethink on their life generally.
This world of ours is organize beyond our understanding, What is that you know that make you say there is no God?
It's not what I know, it's what I can see and make rationally sound judgements upon. If I can't see it, I can't judge it or even know anything about it. Hence my atheist attitude.
delusions of grandeur - a delusion (common in paranoia) that you are much greater and more powerful and influential than you really are.
Jesus' blood wash away sin from an earthly mortal, these are spiritual mysteries.
nonto, your understanding is way out of it. Your twisting things up. May be you are joking. God does not hate his creation in anyway OK?
At this point you have lost ALL credibility. So you owe everyone here an apology...and please admit that you were leading us down a deceitful path, unless, God forbid, you have a reprobate mind, and refuse to admit your dishonesty. In other words, you can try having some integrity...you know...morals.
Leviticus 20:23 - "And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."
Leviticus 26:30 - "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you."
Deuteronomy 32:19 - "And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters."
Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Psalm 5:6 - "Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."
Psalm 10:3 - "For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth."
Psalm 11:5 - "The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."
Psalm 53:5 - "There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them."
Psalm 73:20 - "As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image."
Psalm 78:59 - "When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:"
Psalm 106:40 - "Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance."
Proverbs 6:16-19 - "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 22:14 - "The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein."
Bravo, the devil did worse or may be better in your own page. Quoting the word of God to support your delusion is ignorance of the highest order.
Read the temptation of Jesus as you keep on thumbing up the Bible instead of reading the Holy book and asking the spirit of God to interpret same to you.
I was like you once. I rejected what was obvious and instead relied on what others told me. If you want to truly know something, forget that you know anything at all. Empty your cup and stop listening with your answer running.
You were never ever like me nonto, stop exciting yourself. I am very different from what you can ever think of....Do you imagine i will empty God consciousness for satanic consciousness?
No, I actually used The Word of God to prove you are a liar. The proof is irrefutable. And you have been found guilty of LYING.(see prior verses) Now if you had any morals you would own up to your sins. Of course, since you have a REPROBATE MIND, you can't decipher RIGHT from WRONG.
Just as I thought...no decency whatsoever. And you think that someone would want to fellowship with someone like you? You have proven to be dishonest, immature, unjust, unintelligent, illogical, spiteful, insulting, dismissive, and a downright hater of the TRUTH.
You have held yourself accountable to proving none of the silly assertions that you have made, and you have been thoroughly debunked, yet you go right on spouting more silly garbage.
Completely INSANE. Please make an appointment to see a professional. Seriously, buddy.
You claim to use the word of God, yet you refuse to acknowledge him, a hypocrite calling someone else hypocrite....stop beguiling people the way the serpent did to eve in Eden, if you see and know the way, don't ever try to stop innocent souls from following God Ok?
For a note....You don't in any way know exactly what you claim to know, because that's nothingness.
I will not in anyway pity someone who is proud and remorseless...God-wise. You are acting the way Satan does with Jesus…falsely trying to use the word of God (scripture) which was all written about the very same person(Jesus) to even deceive Christ during the temptation……try and say something meaningful, this make no reasonable sense even to a child Ok?
Have you recently experienced some type of traumatic head injury? Do you know if you have a chemical imbalance? Is there something stressing you? Is your thinking just fine, until you start talking about religion?
If so you could be experiencing psychosis, as you seem to be struggling with reality. In fact, you have a complete lack of understanding of the real word.
Probably the most common thing that happens during a psychotic episode is that you have a lot of trouble talking straight. Your words and sentences get garbled -- all mixed up like a "word salad." Some individual phrases or sentences may make sense, but they are out of order, and you never ever address the point.
"If you say there is no God, you have a reprobate mind"
I do not.
If I say there's no God, then I have a critical mind.
I'm a cynic, not a reprobate.
Looking for ways to cut corners in other to give false hope to those who think that way too?
nonto, God made you to be who you are today and the breath and wisdom you are employing in this argument against who you truly are would have been better utilize for something that will forever add more values to humanity than what you are presently doing.....I will inform you of what you ought to know, because right now even the best truth regarding your entire life will be misconstrued by you in a bit to win this useless argument.
I will do that when you least expect, and the spirit of God will minister to you, because what you truly need is an encounter(personal) with your creator;he will do that for sure.
Paradigm, there is nothing that can alter the truth, life and the way to salvation of humans soul except you know and follow Jesus, who created you and everyone else. You can argue your entire latent energy out but that will not in any way alter this truth forever.
Just throwing it out there...The theory of evolution suggests that we evolved and survied based on the attributes that benefited our survival. Those that did not benefit mankind were (or will be) eventually eliminated from the gene pool.
It is a fact that humans have the capacity for abstract thought, which includes faith and belief in things unseen. Regardless of your viewpoint on religion most would agree that humans are unique in our capacity for advanced reasoning, abstract thought, creativity, etc. Some animals exhibit these skills but debate still exists if it is innate or learned. But less suppose we are if not the only, one of the select few with this capacity.
What evolutionary purpose is there to a belief in something that does not exist? That causes conflicts, wars, disagreeements? That can bring hope, peace, and tolerance? I'm not talking about just a belief in an opinion but the capacity to fathom the idea that a greater entity or being exists. Or several entities for that matter.
Forgive me...just a question/comment to which I personally have no answer.
I think that it is more a case of humans seeking answers.
What causes thunder, lightning, volcanoes, rainbows, eclipses, tsumanis, etc, etc, etc?
What is the explanation for dreams, nightmares, 'ghosts', 'near death experiences', spooky noises in the night, etc, etc?
In the absence of any other explanations, the supernatural ~ gods ~ must have appeared to have been the only answer.
In the past, when there was little education, and when the world was a more mysterious and dangerous place, with no electric lights, and with wild animals roaming around, people probably looked to 'wishes' (prayers) and 'good luck charms' and, in case of illness and injury, they probably took magical potions (they didn't know that one day they would be called medicines).
If people found that 'God' had answered a prayer with a cure, or responded to 'bad behaviour' with a disaster, then they would fear and praise him. They would tell their children to do likewise. People would be afraid not to believe and praise.
That's how it must have happened ~ and it continues!
Trish, the answer is because these people are perverse and they act like a drowning people in a merciless ocean, seeking for the worse floating leaf to stake their life in....that's who they are.
Bits, is the theory of evolution your God? or the standard that dictate your being?
Who are those mortals that wrote or state the theory of evolution? are the God?
Why should i follow them instead of God?
These "mortals" are highly educated men. Too bad those "mortals" who made up the bible stories were ignorant goat herders, but you choose to believe them over those with much more knowledge of the world.
Or have a higher understanding of science, even if it's limited.
Just because one has a limited opinion on God, does not entail evil. It just means they don't have the evidence they need to move forward with the idea.
Randy, these mortals are not educated in any wise....i appreciate their effort, because i too i am their student.
What i am arguing with you can not be predicated on the premise of mortals words and opinion OK?
You are drawing me to mundane things, while i am standing on spiritual realities, far above the knowledge of any known mortal....Can't you get it?
"Spiritual realities?" On oxymoron if I've heard one! You trust science enough use it to get your message out on these forums, and perhaps you would trust scientific research for medical needs over simply prayer in time of sickness of yourself or loved ones. In fact, I'd wager science has made your life much easier than that which would result from the knowledge of ancient ignorant mortals. Otherwise you would still be living in a hovel with no electricity to power your scientifically based evil computer you use for lambasting the scientific community when you don't agree with their findings.
But then, I'm positive you cherry-pick biblical scripture in the same manner unless you agree with every verse of the goat herders tales. Do you take literally every word of the bible as truth?
What's your personal understanding of the universe and the various diversities in life in a nutshell?...let's begin from there randy instead of jabbing our cheek as though we in a boxing ring...
HA! First you must assume you are a worthy opponent, Felix. You've yet to respond to my assertion concerning your cherry-picking both science and the bible for what you wish them to be. You seem to ignore questions you do not care to address. You distrust scientists when they dare to contradict your old novel, but use the results of their work to rail against their findings. There's a word for someone who does this. Do you know what it is?
runs around the room with hand raised....screaming...PICK ME PICK ME I know the answer.
Of course YOU do, Ray. But does he, that's the question.
Sure, I can answer questions. You however, simply support my previous assertion of ignoring queries put to you. You don't answer me, I do the same for you. Touche!
It's amazing that he experiences the same frustration that we do when someone doesn't answer our straightforward inquiries, but cannot objectively see that he is the master of evading straightforward questions...over and over.
getitrite...i will never voluntarily try to frustrate anyone or group of people because i love to be understood OK.
We can do something real good right here and now for the whole world to see....Unification of strange doctrines.
If you are ready..Including Randy right here and now....we are all human aren’t we? Then we have a common origin if those statements make sense to you at all.
Of course he knows he's dodging the questions, getitrite. He has no choice but to do so, like he has been taught to do since childhood. Not too long ago, apparently!
I'm through wasting my time with this one. Merely another self-appointed spokesman for some invisible god with obviously poor judgement as to who he chooses to spread his message Why do gods always choose those with poor communication skills?
whether you are atheist or a theist make no sense to me to be very candid....it's the manner of argument and the lines of reasoning that matters to me.....hope you are getting me before you say something you don't mean.
If that is really what is important to you, then go back and answer all the questions that you have OVERTLY evaded throughout this entire thread.
It appears that your manner of argument and your lines of reasoning shows gross ineptness, and tyrannical deceit.
ask no question but statements.
I want to get to a logical conclusion with you and i want us to know exactly what we tell other OK?
We are about to start something very new and interesting;me and you if only you are ready?
Randy i believe scientist more than you do, because they don't go against the principles of God like you do OK?
They only discover the principles of God, the don't create any.
Goat herders don't have occult knowledge as it is in the Old Testament and I'm sure Goat herders were not consulted when the Gospels were written.
Why are you sure, Claire? Were you there? The authors of the books you hold so dear are unknown to us. Besides this, many other writers who claimed to speak for your god had their messages thrown out of the biblical compilation because common people like you disagreed with them.
You are immersed in a man-made religion based on man-made writings with nothing to show any deity had a hand in it. No different than the Book of Mormon with all of its nonsense written by a mere con man. But as you can see, many fell for it as you've fell for YOUR favored novel.
But feel free to show your god inspired any of the anonymous writers if you can.
If Christians are immersed in a man made religion what are you in?
Running around here and making comments that suit those like you is not interesting at all?
Lol, how are you so sure goat herders made up these stories? They sure could not be authors! LMAO! As you know, goat herders back then weren't educated. So can you really believe they made up OT stories with all the numbers involved? Do you think they had e-mail back then? Because the Bible mirrors the Sumerian Texts very closely as of texts around the world from Central America to India.
I think those Gospels were rejected because they could not be corroborated or were blatantly false. For example, the Gospel of Judas has been dismissed because it cannot be authenticated.
Oh, I have nothing to show to you but plenty has been shown to me!
Why would the gospel writers write about a Jew who died on the cross like a common criminal and expected the Jews to accept Him as the son of God? What was their purpose? And why convert to Christianity when persecution awaited you and a horrible death? If someone said Elvis rose from the dead, I'm not going to die defending that belief.
Felix, I am sorry, but I believe you misread my previous post...I did not say that I believed or did not believe in evolution. Nor did I say that I believe or did not believe in God. I merely proposed a question for BOTH believers and nonbelievers.
Belief in things unseen and greater than ourselves is either God-given or evolutionary or possibly both, or none of the above. REGARDLESS....what purpose does belief serve, ESPECIALLY if one doesn't believe in God...
Bits, i will tell you why i wrote this thread.....its base on one thing which is the fate of humanity.
This subject is far above us all....we all claim to be who we are yet we don't really know who we are.
Whether you are a Christians, pagan, voo-doo worshipper, atheist, Buddhist, Indus or whatever you can think of Faith and faithless wise.....It's all because there is a void in our understanding and knowledge about creation and our existence.
That we have no answer to them (universally) is because we have all chosen to go our own way by becoming our own god individually.....
The response you get is that Felix wrote this thread to insult Atheists as if atheists are the only one that questions the existence of God?
I am a realist and a very spiritual persona at the same time....
I love atheists resolve to challenge the unseen and the unknown, which can not be explain with physical reality(ies)…although I don’t know if they(Atheists) believe in witch crafty or may be some of them are witchcraft already.
....but, they do it ignorantly, i don't mean to offend them as if i know it all....
I totally agree..."there is a void in our understanding and knowledge about creation and our existence". Any un/organized faith and religion will say as much.
And you're right, Atheists don't hold the title for being the only ones that questions God or his existence. They just shout the loudest.
I don't remember reading this verse before you posted it, but I have given it some thought. My own opinion: the verse discusses accepting God in one's heart. I think the deeper (and much profoundly sadder) problem is that many people have not even gotten this far out of fear. All this intellectual breakdown of what is and what isn't doesn't really touch the heart. God is love and just from what I see with crime, divorce, addictions, there is short supply of love going around; for ourselves, our families, and each other. I guess the side effects of a "probate mind".
Bits, be humble enough to learn if you guys truly believe you are humble, and willing to empty yourself for something new....Will you?
I have rarely read such a littany of blabbering claptrap. The pathetic arrogance of being unable to understand how life works and having to replace it with a father-figure is childish and retarded.
Oh come on. Reco1! A "litany of blabbering claptrap" is the standard fare of believers on these forums.
As a devout Christian this threads greatly saddens me. Perhaps the saddest thing of all is it is the words of the one
claiming to be a Christian which sadden me just as much as the words of the professed atheists. Felixdet2000, what did you
hope to gain by making this thread? I ask because I understand your view to an extent. Yes, God has given those who are willfully
disobedient over to the desires of their flesh. However, by simply posting this on the forum, what exactly were you hoping to accomplish? Yes, our faith should cause us to exhort others, especially in order they might come to the knowledge of the true faith. Unfortunately, it seems you have forgotten the most important part of exhortation, which is to speak the truth in love.
Since you have chosen to use the words of Paul to convey your point, I'll use the words of the same author to remind you of how you seem to have strayed from your intentions.
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. (1 Corinthians 13:1 ESV)
To the others who have lambasted Felixdet2000 and all of Christianity, I urge you to remember just as it is inconsiderate and judgmental for Christians to refer to the characteristics and actions of all nonbelievers as one group, it is in the same way inconsiderate and judgmental for any of you to refer to the characteristics and actions of any one Christian as the reflective of these same things in every Christian who exists.
Judging a person actions is something which is always going to happen. To deny that is to deny human nature. To deny human nature is to deny being human.
I promise you Kyrie, if you guys will stop spreading nonsense about your faith, we won't criticize those spouting it. Straight facts are welcome here if those of your belief can merely stick to them. Superstition has always drawn criticism from those who knew better. Hopefully this will always be the case, because if not, we will be overrun by so many imaginary god cults on these forums it will be even worse than it is now.
My name is Cory. Kyrie Elaison is latin for Lord have mercy.
Cagsil, I didn't ask you not judge the actions of people in considering how you view them, I asked that you would not judge an entire group of people based on the actions of individuals who claim to be members of that group.
Randy, I always seek not to spread nonsense about my faith. However, I will not stop speaking of what the Lord has done in my life. In the same way, I would not expect you to quit speaking about your belief that my God does not exist. I know that the things which I have experienced in my life have proven to me that the God which I say exists truly does. I pray that others who proclaim his name would not drive you farther from him.
And I don't judge a whole group or all it's members. Just the ones I interact with who seem to fail to understand Jesus' teachings.
I don't deal in the irrationality of the bible. The books of religion are just stories, laden with a bit of history, but locked in to old world mysticism and dishonest.
When people use the bible to validate itself, they show how much they don't understand how "truth" or "facts" are determined. Thus, they are irrational in thinking.
I enjoy pointing out the actions of people to those people. And, I thoroughly enjoy doing in the forums, because not only what I say to that person is seen by that person, but it is also seen by thousands of others.
So, when I respond to a post, it create a huge impact on others, even if it doesn't do anything for the person I have responded to to start off.
My actions of pointing out the actions of others is based on honesty. Most people don't like it when they run into someone who is more honest than them, because they see something they are not accustom to seeing from the average person. Why not? Because, nowadays, the average person isn't honest. There are more dishonest people in the world than there are honest people.
The irony is that 95% of the world religious based in thinking. And, those who are religious seem to think that 5% of the world is causing all the problems. And that would be completely untrue.
You are correct, I hate running into dishonest people. Glad to see we could find some common ground.
And, can you determine which of your actions are ego driven and which are not?
I would say not because of your post is in conflict, but that's not the only thing I see from your post. I also see a person who is attempting to be compassionate and tolerant.
But, if you are unable to provide a specific answer to my initial question, then will be cause me to understand something completely different about you.
However, I have faith in humanity and I believe in humanity, so hope is always present.
What do you mean by ego driven? As someone who strives to be honest, I will tell you that of course some of my actions are ego driven, because I am a broken, sinful person in need of the grace of God. I always seek to be compassionate, because it is not my desire for others to be persecuted by Christians, but that God would speak to them through other Christians.
I have no faith in humanity, but I have much faith in my God.
There are always some actions which are ego driven and some actions which are conscience driven.
I figured you would say this. To me, you're either honest in everything you do or you are not. That's the standard I hold people I talk to accountable to. If you're unable to determine which of your actions are ego driven and which are conscience driven, then you are only deceiving yourself about being honest.
Persecution? Yeah, I get that a lot.
And, you most likely attribute the problems in the world today to the people who don't do what G/god wants, right?
The problem in the world is people like you who have no faith in humanity, because it shows that you have no love for humanity. Which shows you don't love yourself and that you don't follow Jesus' teachings.
But, thank you for the conversation.
I have no faith in humanity's ability to save itself no you are right. I attribute the problems of today to the sinful nature of the world. My belief humanity cannot save itself has nothing to do with not loving humanity.
I am having this conversation with y'all on this thread because it breaks my heart to see people who are slowly dying and yet they do not realize it. It is my love for people which has led me to continue having these conversations with you who wholesale dismiss what I believe, rather than washing my hands of you as the creator of this thread seems to have done.
No one is honest in everything they do. Everyone commits action for their own selfish benefit. That is true human nature that everyone is sinful, broken, and selfish.
Thank you for the conversation, I pray God would reveal himself to you. I genuinely hope that for you. I'll await your witty mocking of my genuine statements of concern for you.
Cool! let me check my psychic abilities given to me from my god Moe. You're from Texas I know. More than likely a Baptist, where you inherited your faith from your parents while examining no other beliefs before choosing your present deity. Had you been born in the Middle East, instead of Texas, you would now be firmly against your present faith and would be a firm Muslim in your beliefs.
Am I close?
That depends on whether or not one trained themselves to see past their own ego or not. If you cannot tell the difference as I said, then you would not be honest with yourself.
There will be people who take selfish action yes. This doesn't negate whether or not, the action is based on honesty or not. You cannot be completely selfless. It's impossible, not probable because medically proven psychosis would eventually set in.
You can take a selfish action, an action based on ego and not harm anyone including yourself. Is that still not an honest action?
Yes, humans have flaws. So what.
Don't because after I die and IF your G/god is actually real as you and others claim, then I'll be glad to tell HIM where to go, how to get there and what to do when he gets there. And, do it without fear.
Mocking? Nope. That would be a bad perception on your part. I simply address things as they come to me and bring rationale to forefront of the conversation.
In what way do you see people slowly dying? I'm assuming you don't mean literally dying but spiritually? You'll pray for God to reveal himself to the non-believer? If God exists wouldn't it be apparent and not necessary for a reveal? If God doesn't reveal himself to the non-believer does that mean your prayer wasn't answered? No mocking here, just questions that arise when I see people say these things.
Well crappy deim to you too, Cory. I'm agnostic, so I've yet to see any facts supporting your position on the god or gods exisitng at this time. And didn't your old novel tell your ilk to expect to be persecuted for spreading the superstitions of your cult? I suppose WE are here to fulfill the prophecies ina manner of speaking.
This was a pretty smart ruse by the anonymous writers of the old myth book as it makes the "spreaders of delusion" feel they are truly doing their god's work as instructed. Anyone who disagrees with them are merely persecutors and makes them feel embolden to continue the ruse. "See there, Jesus was right! But it's not because I'm wrong at all, no, no. It was foretold to be so." Standard god fare, no matter the deity.
Yet there are some things that are consistent in all believers, and one of those things is the fact that they ALL suffer from paranoid delusion.
Another thing, that is consistent in All believers, is that at some point in a debate, they will inevitably become dishonest.
cocandcrys please for goodness sake...atheist in hubpages abuses your God and mocked him every now and then and you claim to be a Christian?...and all you can do is simply to keep quiet ...that's good for you but not for me...i will not keep quiet in a bit to pretend that i love them because that's hypocrisy....you do not love them more than i do whatsoever...stop trying to look good in their page because you and them are not of the same page....whether you believe this or not is left for you alone, I will not compromise Christ just to make cheap friend in an online pool…what a pity for a Christian like you, so lukewarm and cold.
I have to be hard with you, in case anyone misunderstand my tone, because you are not a fervent Christian base on what you quote……you want to look good in their eyes, are you sold out?
Why, your Christ is so impotent to answer for himself?
Impotency is a disease that Satan's is suffering and all those who do not recognize Jesus as Lord of their life...You don' have to believe it or understand it for it to be true...Jesus is not here physically the Holy spirit is and i am a tool of my God.....you are not, unless yo surrender your life to him willing-fully .
Has Satan ever reveal him-self to you?
Oh wow you don't love? Love your enemies must mean something entirely different to you then? I actually found a lot of love and humility in his posts.
Penny, what's your definition of love, if not to save a lost soul from perversity and nothingness that is baseless?
Jesus did not preach a weak message, he preach a message of power and authority by the power of the Holy spirit...he did not compromise the message he came to deliver....as his servant, he has commanded me to preach the gospel undiluted and i fear no foes...especially those hypocrite that claim to be Christians, i call them wolf in sheep's clothing...they are worse than atheists.
That's the problem Felixedet2000, you're preaching a diluted perversion of Jesus' teachings and fail to realize it.
cag you know nothing about Jesus teachings.....tell me you do?
And i will expose the hypocrisy in you.....Your statement only confirms the void in all you have been saying.
When you know Christ you will understand who you truly are.
Okay, I do.
Really? Please do try.
Actually, I have been speaking about your actions and your belief's irrational nature. So, my statement confirms you cannot see past yourself long enough to have a decent conversation without letting your ego which would do the talking. When you can, please look me up.
I already understand who I truly am.
No problems with preaching whatever you believe. Jesus messages were delivered with love. Love is not weak it is one of the most powerful forces known to man. Perhaps Jesus understood this. Love unites it does not divide. Love is forgiveness, compassion, humility, tolerance and understanding and more. This is why it is such a powerful force.
When you preach love to those who don't know love and yet refuse to acknowledge that they don't know love, what you get is insult, mockery and abuses.
Whatever you say or belief; even if they believe the same thing or share the same sentiment; for the fact that you said it...it will amount to nothing anymore in their mind and heart.
It is important fro every Christian to understand Atheist from this perspective….Because many times they openly deny the simplest reality or truth about life, just because a Christian said so.
It's because they have made a choice or informed decision not to listen to you....or whatever you have to say.
Good...but that will not hinder Christians from preaching the word or be ashamed of the gospel of Christ at all.
This is the confirmation of Jesus statement towards Peter....On this Rock(Peter) i will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it......Christians discusses spiritual things with spiritual undertones...while these people only understands carnal things.
This is a statement of fact.
Reading through your response....somehow I don't think you understand penny's point. There is no love evident in your opinion of those holding opposing views. Don't the gospels point to the fact that God loved man first? If he had needed to get love, before he gave love...would the gospels have been written?
I'm as guilty as the next person of thinking you are OK, only if you first agree that I'm OK. But, isn't that the root of the problem? Judging by our perception of the judgement of others? Reacting always...but never following through by taking the actions that will testify to our belief that love is the ultimate goal.
Emile, you are very correct...it is not me who is in contention here, and Cag talk about my character as though i am the main point here....God forbid, who I'm i.
Response has a way of wavering our opinion and sending out the wrong signal at times. This threat is a Biblical passage, quoted within context....
My response might not be entirely what i mean all the time, a closer or second look might make sense a bit.
this argument is very logical, especially with people of different faith or no faith at all, that's what going on here; I'm sure you know. Thanks so much.
Yes I did. I'm looking directly at your actions and attempting to point them out. Yes it is understood, don't shoot the messenger. However, you still have to look at the messenger and see if they are honest. If they are not honest, then anything they say isn't worthy of listening to. Character is all about honesty.
You see, this is the problem setting yourself up as the arbiter of who knows love or who doesn't, and whether they are acknowledging things they've seen no evidence of. Who do you think you are, Dude? You are assuming godly powers yourself, aren't you?
Give us some reason, some magnificent accomplishments, anything at all which could possibly inform us as to why we should believe anything at all posted by an anonymous, judgmental, self-proclaimed preacher? Certainly you can list a few wonderful feats, especially with you apparent ESP ability.
PS. Love how you manged to get in the old "persecution complex" thing in just in case.
RG, i am not a god, i am Felix Ok?
I am not assuming anything but using the Bible as a refuge, you have yours to use.
What else do you want that isn't in the Bible, get a copy and suite yourself well dude.
I am not anonymous for your information, i am as real as you are. By the way, you also have an avatar not your real pix, why throw stone, glass house man?
i recognize that serpent, was wondering if that's the one that deceive Adam and Eve..lol.
you are a great comedian G.
getitrite, what would you like me to be honest about? I have no problems being completely honest with you.
This is the issue which I am writing against and which seems to be lacking here. Universal statements do not work, because every person is an individual. There is no one universal which covers all true believers, except for the statement that all true believers believe in God. Universal statements about the character of people are funadamentally flawed because every person is a unique individual.
You could start by stating that your religion is nonsense, as it has been proven to be numerous times. Also, tell me how it is that you just KNOW that the bible is the inerrant word of God... and if you don't know, why do you still insist on believing?
And since there is no evidence for the existence of a God, whatsoever, there will be implication that affect everyone who believes such nonsense. At some point during the course of a debate, ALL believers will, inevitably, become dishonest. It is inherent... if you insist on steadfastly believing in a false proposition, you will have to, and must, at some point, become dishonest.
Yet I only stated the behavior that is universal among Christians, and other believers in false propositions. Of course every person is a unique individual.
As I stated earlier in this post, I insist on believing because God has proven himself true to me. There is too much which has occurred in my life which is spoken of in scripture and which has been promised by God for me to consider it anything but proof of his existence.
I will not state that my religion is nonsense, because that would not be a truthful statement from me. There is all the evidence which I myself need for the existence of God in what I see around me and what I have experienced in my life. It's called faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. Hebrews 11:1
Yet that was your personal experience, which you can't even PROVE to me. You are basically asking me to accept your vivid imagination as credible evidence of the existence of God... because since you can't even prove it to me...it must be just your imagination.
I understand...because even if your religion makes no sense to even you...you would still go on believing it. Hypnotism?!
Faith is not a substitute for evidence, my friend. Sometimes what we have faith in only exists in our imagination...as I once believed in Santa...I had faith.
Even if those things are imaginary? I think that verse means REAL things hoped for.
And the evidence of things unseen? I don't think that means imaginary things, but things that are just out of vision at the time. You know! Real things.
Get it right....''And since there is no evidence for the existence of a God, whatsoever, there will be implication that affect everyone who believes such nonsense''
If a mere mortal like you exist.Who are you to state that God does not exist or it has been proven? Proven by whom? and for who because of what exactly?
Do you know what will happen to humanity in the next 1000 years? Mr. proven to be..You are not making any reasonable sense at all…..what a pity.
God knows everything and he has stated them in the Bible which is his own word...
Don't call what you don't know nonsense, because atheism is nothingness and nothingness means...void, null and hollow.
Christianity is just more than you can ever fathom with your mortal brain OK? Better you keep quite than embarrass yourself openly.
And who do you think you are to assert that God does exist? You, too, are a mere mortal.
Are you really that messed up that you would ask such an egregiously ignorant question?
No sir! I would have to say that you are the only pathetic figure in this exchange. I sympathize to the point that I urge you to seek counseling, PLEASE!
Any TODDLER could recite such worthless nonsense. This is profoundly disturbing that it is coming from the mind of an adult.
Then I guess since I don't know if Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, I should not call them nonsense. Do you see just how hopeless your worldview is? You have nothing but psychotic babble.
OK, that's fair. Now show me the evidence for your beliefs. Show me that your religion is NOT nothingness, void and hollow. You can't do that can you? You should now understand that you are suffering from a serious disconnect from reality.
So what is your IQ Felix? And tell me why it is that you believe that you possess the ability to fathom what most of the people with IQ's in the top percentile can't?
You are the one that has acted in a completely uncivilized, unintelligent and childish fashion, yet you think it is me who should be embarrassed? Get real!
You have evaded every question that I, and everyone else, has asked you. You have rambled on with childish nonsensical drivel...totally devoid of meaning, never stopping to reflect upon what the other person is actually asking.
Pronunciation (sī-kō′sis, -sēz)
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Cocoandcrys....are you really a Christian?
Do you read your Bible with understanding of the Holy Spirit?
I don't wish to be mean, but i have to ask you this question because what you are saying are flawed.....wake up friend...this world is compromise, the gospel is not, Christians can never be friends with this world so says the Bible (We are not of this world just as Jesus was not of this world….it takes understanding to understand this mystery dude)....because we are not of the same make---faith-wise. Diluted Christianity is atheism in disguise….
You are either hot for Christ or cold for the world to manipulate you in a bit to look good to them.
I love Jesus and will follow him till I die.
Do not conform to this world... does not mean you are not of this world...It means do not be as others are conditioned to be. The rest of the verse tells you how..
Here is the whole verse if you like.
And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
The standard of this world is not the standard of God...we are required to be in conformity with the standard of God...by the way i am not of this world.....i am not at all. Read my comment well...because that does not mean i am not breathing fresh air OK?
Really? Isn't the standard of G/god you're supposedly to live up to? If not, then what's the point.
You mean, YOU are required. The fact that you continue to include ALL people is the most ridiculous part of your belief.
Actually, you are. You were born. Duh!
Yeah, it just means you're confused and conflicted.
Cag, come down from your ego altitude and be humble for a second
If you are of this world i am not, God's standard is not of this world...why don't you want to learn the simplest thing you ought to know Cag? I talk with you about God not g. there are gods no doubt and I know about them just so much, and those are the ones you know, I am very sure of that...i am not talking about them...if you want us to talk about them then come out straight man....
The fact that i am required to conform to God's standard is simply because we all are born into sin naturally...this i am sure you don't understand, because in your page..there is no sin.
You know, you say that, but it's your own reflection. So, go look into a mirror. You're certainly not talking about me. That's obvious, not only to me, but a whole lot of people who do know me. And you're only making yourself look foolish.
Hey Felix, take your irrational(garbage) and try to think rationally. The bible, supposedly written by the holy spirit of a G/god, sets the standard and people are to follow it to a T.
If the standard of a G/god is not of this world, then the book you read is 100% meaningless, useless and nothing more the a piece of junk.
I have a complete understanding of life. It's YOU who do not. I have a completely rational approach to World Peace and Peace of Mind for every individual walking the planet.
Do you? If you're preaching something which you cannot explain or don't investigate then, you preach lies.
G/god? That's if you believe.
I would rather you didn't talk about pathetic mystic ideologies, as if they are part of reality.
Life itself does not require any knowledge of any G/god to be understood or lived.
I've written enough hubs which PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that live can be completely lived, enjoyed, and understood without any G/god being required.
Don't like it? Too bad.
I will not pity you but you need to be pitied with all due respect. Don’t draw me into conflicts with your followers, because that’s quite cheap because it shows you are shallow the way you argue…looking for cheap support and re-enforcement in other to gain confidence?
I can help you out if you required any help from me; you don’t know much about life. Realistically, I have your hubs, and it’s made up of human logic..i speak to you about God’s words…Ok?
So absurd…I thought you can stand your ground individually?
What has others gotten to do with this?
You are in a spiritual wilderness but remorselessness will make you remain there for eternity except you change you orientation.
i have a whole lot of human logic like yours, but threat like this are to make our sins evidence to us, in other for us to repent and seek his forgiveness.
it's a threat to bring humanity back into God's standard...all you care is to stand on your ego and condemned the living word of your creator whether you accept it or not is irrelevant...God created you and made you to be who you are....don't insult him if you are humble enough...
You have no logic. Your belief is irrational. Logic is rational.
Yes, it would be a treat to bring humanity back to stupidity in motion, which is what is actually happening in the world today.
Humanity has been desperately looking to the light at the end of the tunnel, and presently 95% of the world believes in a G/god, but when you look at the world, it's problems it is mostly being cause by those who have faith in a G/god that which are damaging the world, like YOU are in your actions today in this thread.
BS. Pure unadulterated BS! That is your ego presently on display. My ego? Has been in check since I started taking part in this thread. How do I know? Because, I feel my conscience which is telling me I am honest. It's not ego because I can tell the difference between the two. Can you? I think not.
Pitied? Why in the world would I need your pity? You really don't understand what it means to live. That's a damn shame.
WOW! Do you think I am the only person reading your posts? And I didn't mention anything about those who follow me. I said people who know me. The fact you call me shallow because I point out that other people are reading what you say, which shows your actions, which is our conversation, is beyond all comprehension.
What a joke statement.
So you lie? No one human being on this entire planet can without any doubt know what is in a G/god's mind. So you make up things to suit yourself or you take other people's words for it? Sad you don't realize you're lying.
I can stand my ground. It's you who fails to realize that you're conversation and point of view is formed from a weakened position to begin with.
If I have to explain it to you, then boy are you screwed up.
Yet, another statement which directly points to your own reflection.
Too bad you cannot tell the difference.
Not really friends...don’t make this look as though we are jabbing each other’s cheek.
Stop being confrontational....i want us to have a reasonable logic universally accepted, but your ego will not let you be.
As though i don’t know the whole world is reading..You have to know what i know sometime because i know virtually all you know, life-wise.
What you don;t sincerely know is God...you don't know him in all honesty.
you are not done with me and i not with you.....
We shall meet again.
Now what are you talking about?
Then stop being so irrational.
My ego? Again, your own reflection. "Jesus said- Forgive them for they know not what they do because they don't know any better". He was talking about the masses who follow of the religions of the world.
Too bad you didn't know that.
The only way that would be possible is to experience everything I have experienced throughout my entire life and you would be a liar if you claimed it.
So, I certainly hope you're not claiming it.
If you are required to be in conformity with the standard of God does it not make sense to you that love, compassion, humility, forgiveness and tolerance, just to name a few, that are taught are part of Gods standard.
Renewing the mind to reveal these makes pure sense in relation to the passage.
What part of you is not of this world?
God bless you for this question penny...not that i am going to write to please you or falsely believing we are on the same page...because as far as i am concern, I'll rather state what is written in the Bible than use my limited human logic knowledge-wise to please anyone.
The part of me that is not of this world is my spirit....gets it? My flesh is simply earth (sand) and when i die, it'll rot away quickly.
But the real Felix’s soul will ascend back to his creator. This is the part that i speak about, that part of me is not of this world, and that is the real me.
My flesh will not live more than 120 years at most, but my spirit which is the image of God will never ever die forever…..do you have this understanding?
Jomine all i have been saying ever since i join hubpages are predicated on this premise.....God is above us all.
As long as people continue to gamble and manipulate those with gullible mind consciousness-wise...threads like this will never ever cease. Call it a thread from a radical Christian and you are not far from the truth.
God is just a concept, you took from others who came before you, to explain the world around you. The only problem is it lacks reason and logic. Belligerence and nonsense is more applicable than radical. Belligerence cause neither you think nor you like anybody who think, nonsense because what you says does not make sense to anybody else other than those who share your 'faith' and for them it makes sense not because it has sense but because they accept it without questioning.
''God is just a concept''
God is not a concept as you believe...God is the ruler of this universal universe...spiritually and physically...you don’t have to believe this to be true anyways.
‘‘You took from others who came before you, to explain the world around you''
Nonsense....That's not true at all Jomine..if i did not have a one on one encounter with God, i will not be here arguing with anyone OK?
''The only problem is it lacks reason and logic. ''
He owns everything you call reason and logic; for your information.
''Belligerence and nonsense is more applicable than radical''
Believing that there is no God is the worse nonsense in this planet...absolute nonsense without limitation.
A faithless being is a void being....empty in heart and soul...it's a choice anyway; i and those i share the same faith with have a hope and a future...listen man...we Christians are not afraid of the gospel of Christ because it is the power of God unto salvation.....this is the belief of a genuine Christians...i don't expect you to understand that anyway...
The Bible informs us ahead of this sort of radical thinking and definition that you have in your heart...
Things of our God is foolishness to the carnal mind..Who cares about only worldly things or the physical but have no understanding of the spiritual. Words of our God are spirit and life, not human logic you propound.
You don’t need to tell me or any other Christians what our faith is all about because what you don’t have you can never ever give same… we understand why people like you think the way they do.
stop scaring me penny....i know so many atheists don't like me for real and it's understandable...i understand their frustrations...i am not against them or anyone, but against Satan; this most of them don’t get....i love everyone the same way i love myself...and i hate it when people say i am not preaching love. Love in my page is not devoid of hard truth.
Truth is always bitter, it happens to me so many times; I’ll ponder and meditate about hard truth, especially the kind that is against what I think or assume.
I don’t call anyone name or names, or use garbage language; because I know what I say most of the time will never ever go down well with everyone. If you live in a glass house as they say ‘’don’t throw stones’’
This thread is not meant to insult or embarrass any group of people, but willingly you see some people openly admitting that it is against them. Is this my making or theirs?
I sometimes have that effect on people. In answer to your question. I don't know, you would need to ask those who you perceive might be insulted, embarrassed or against?
@ts bible was written by humans and they expressed their opinion...if u ask those who dont belief in bible , authors of bible had reprobate mind...
Yes, humans wrote the Bible...If you refuse to acknowledge your creator, there is no way on earth you will accept his own personal writing...the Israelite rejected God's law by being disobedient, because some of them go against the laws God gave them...the same way we do in our time, i inclusive.
That does not in any way invalidate this authentic word of God(Bible)in any way...he gave you that freewill to choose between him and the world...and you have made your personal choice.
I can understand your shortcomings very well and the reason you speak the way you do.....Get this clear friend...The Bible is more than you can ever get to understanding.
A reprobate is defined as a scoundrel or a villain. i am neither of those things.
You say that "a reprobate mind always gives excuses for every action that is contrary to the acceptable norms laid down by God, etc." Yet wouldn't blindly accepting the existence of a deity whose existence you are not one hundred percent sure about be another example of a "reprobate" mind?
M.J., God laid down absolutes; not norms.
God proves Himself to me daily. Why should I doubt. God has saved my life more than once. Why should I doubt?
God allows social norms because we are under His grace thereby His permissive will. There is no neutral grounds for agnostics, and no excuse for atheist in the given of eternal life thru Lord Jesus.
But if you wanted to think about it ??
A person can live by every word of Christs teachings (passionately!)
And if they do not accept "The churches" definition of what is the definition of who Jesus is; doesn't mean that they have rejected the "Word" and Jesus
is said to be the Word so`? what's Up With That ?
jeremi, we are pass church definition and into a personal relationship with God. We started in the mid 16th century with German Theologian Martin Luther. You must pray to God for His interpretation of a scripture for YOU. It's a sorry christian that attends church and give word service to God only. YOU must continue your journey in the Lord Jesus. Why do we still have Jesus as a mediator? He was God on Earth in human form and He goes to the Father! THE WORD IS JESUS.
M.J., what are you talking about? I don't recall posting any comment about you denying God? Enlighten me.
"M.J., God laid down absolutes; not norms.
God proves Himself to me daily. Why should I doubt. God has saved my life more than once. Why should I doubt?
God allows social norms because we are under His grace thereby His permissive will. There is no neutral grounds for agnostics, and no excuse for atheist in the given of eternal life thru Lord Jesus."
I never suggested you should doubt. And I am not an atheist/agnostic, if you were wondering.
MJ..when you get to a pedestrian crossing while driving what do you do?
I am responding to your top post.....that i blindly accept the existence of a deity with no 100% prove.
Will you get offended if i tell you that you don't exist?
I can choose to believe that there is no one like you and that will be reprobate indeed......do you believe this?
What makes you think you exist at all, if you believe in the theory of existence?
If you exist who made you>?
Are you sure you are a product of your parents?
Does this questions sound silly to you or funny?
that's exactly how you look in the eyes of your creator with your little brain...Mine too is little when God is in view...so this is not an insult.
All of us atheists and theists have limited knowledge of existence and life....We can expand that knowledge by going to the source of all knowledge, as long as you keep on being an accuser of the brethren, enemy of God, then this world you love so much will deny you in a very short time.
Take this a loving message from a concern individual.
Lie. Your actions show otherwise. Too bad you cannot tell the difference.
Felixedet, almost nothing is one hundred percent. What I was referring to was blind faith; just accepting God exists because a preacher tells you so. Doing this is very different from knowing He exists because he saved your life, introduced you to your spouse, etc. Knowing and diving headfirst into a belief whose contents you know not of are very different things. Part of true faith is understanding it, as well. Too many "Christians", lots of whom I know, talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
And no, I am not offended by you telling me I don't exist. I have often wondered if any of us do. Those questions do not sound silly OR funny; they sound philosophical.
By informing me that I am "an accuser of the brethren, an enemy of God," you are putting much more power in my hands than any human is capable of holding. God's only true enemy is Satan, the fallen angel. I am just someone who believes in research and thought before deciding what beliefs I subscribe to.
Without acknowledging God there is nothing remaining but a reprobate mind to various degree.
There is no point in acknowledging something (or someone) you are not sure of.
Belief in god in a choice, not a social experiment. When you put those religious pressures on people and ostracize those that don't believe the same as you it creates social divisions. These divisions are unnecessary and jeopardize human progress. Beliefs should be just that, they should not dictate your place in society. That, my friend, is ignorance in its most transparent form.
Well said. God loves those who believe and those that don't. Love the title of this thread by the way - I think I have a REPROBATE mind but I still believe!
These divisions are necessary due to the fallen nature of the world. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus said I come and bring a sword that shall divide mother and daughter, son and father. The Word of God must be fulfilled. God is a respecter of no person.
For Christians to attack other beliefs are not right, but other beliefs attack our beliefs as Christians. I am sure that atheist won't be satisfied until all bibles are burned and church buildings sold in auctions.
I shall continue to spread the goodnews as I am commissioned to do so by the Son of God, God among us. Human progress IS the coming into the knowledge of God.
No sir! Unless progress means that humans go back to the ignorance of the Bronze Age, as that is the mindset of the authors of the bible. A good lie from the "Liars for Jesus" though.
Yes sir! Your god is too small, and doesn't encompass all of human endeavors, neither intangibles and tangibles. My God created all things and how they work. God established all of the principals that you know. You and your god who is probably yourself only discovered some of what and how God made things to work including us.
Us so-called bible thumpers can see that nature is in harmony with the Word of God. We have an overall view of life and nature. You only give me incompletes; what you have observed from a lesser vantage point. You are in the woods and can't see the forest.
God's Holy Spirit tells of things to come. God blinds the nonbelievers to His Truth.
What on earth prompts you to say such silly childish nonsense. I DON"T HAVE ANY GOD!
Sorry, but you don't have any God either!
AHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you realize just how crazy this sounds.
I guess you see that the earth is flat then. I guess you ARE special.
Who would have thought that a Bronze Age book of worthless nonsense could give you such a huge advantage? I guess God works in mysteriously foolish ways.
That's because His Truth is a lie, spouted by clueless, weak-minded, cowardly sheep, unable to even trust their own common sense.
I am very disappointed that you are so blind to God Truth. Did you make yourself? Do you know of anyone else who created themself? If you don't, than you have made the most jackass comments that I have ever heard.
You have a long ways to go because you don't see the Truth Who is standing next to you.
I'm sorry but you're sort of an idiot and a huge bigot. I'm embarrassed for you..
Your logic is radically absurd. There is no reason to draw such a silly conclusion...at all! BTW, the only one making jackass commnents on here is YOU. Trust me!
There is nothing standing next to me.
I don't trust you! Anyone who can not see the Truth standing next to them is dangerous.
Must be that reflection thing. You know, the thing you apparently cannot see past and always must project onto other people.
If you were actually fit to make such a statement, I would take you seriously, but...
What does the one standing next to you look like? Describe his looks for us, if you don't mind. I want to see what you imagine the one "standing next to you" looks like. Be specific if you please!
You couldn't see the Truth even if I spent the rest of the week describing The Truth. Apparently, you are a nonbeliever. Must be saved first.
HA! it would take you much longer than a week to tell the truth, Wilmiers! You've been here over two years and haven't managed to tell the truth yet!
Sorry, but I can't accept opinions from the elementary schoolyard. Grow up.
I seriously doubt you've spent enough time in school to know what elementary students say or think. Pretty sure you dropped out first or second grade.
OMG!!! You are vulnerable and fragile.
Let me clarify the scripture concerning reprobate. The scripture says "...turn over to a reprobate mind..." This could be a political leader, one who greatly influences one to do bad, or just a deteriorated self.
Do you mean to tell me that you STILL haven't heard it?
Not from you, Wilmiers. You are funny to listen to, though. If heaven is full of people like you then, I have no interest in attending.
Simply your opinion, Wilmiers and I always consider the source. You love to be persecuted, though. It makes you feel like you are doing something. I'll have to say, whoever wrote your old novel knew how you guys would fall for that line.
"Yes, whenever you say something stupid, they will laugh and mock you. This means you are on the right track!" And you fell for it hook, line, and stinker!
Tell me, how do you feel about the sin of gluttony?
Randy, damn! Did someone else enter into our conversation that you are talking about?
Using curse words now too. Wilmiers? I asked a simple question. I asked it in a manner even you can understand.
In that case I'll probably become a believer. I think "losing it" is a prerequisite, isn't it?
Randy, you made me curse because the Saints in Heaven are losing sight of you.
Even your cursing will not cover the fact of you ignoring the questions, wilmiers. And if the saints in heaven have your attitude, then I hope they don't see me at all. I'm sure not looking to them for guidance of any sort. But you go right on believing in them if you like. Someone has to amuse us.
Randy, you "Aint" got no knowledge of the faith. There are millions of manifestations of the Truth in the scriptures. They are continually operating on all levels and magnitudes daily. I can't believe that you haven't seen at least one.
If you've got it, I certainly don't want it, Wilmiers. Sorta like STDs. Don't want them either.
We both must be extremely bored to be amusing ourselves with Wilmiers, Ray. Normally I just laugh at his inanity. He certainly doesn't like to answer questions though. Typical believer!
Yes, amusing as it is, there are times where you just don't want to let it go because the conversation always leads to more laughter. Now why wouldn't I want to laugh?
Yes, but it does give one insight as to how Jim Jones could talk all od those poor folks into giving their children poison to drink, not to mention drinking it themselves. This is the same mindset they had at the time. No one could convince them they were living in delusion. So they died with it instead.
This is the sole reason I try and get through to the believers here. Not for them, but for those they try and convince to think like them. I gotta at least try!
Randy, there you go go escaping into the peanut gallery. Be a man, stand on your own.
I am still going to buzz your ears; you must learn and respect two things in this life: your are following someone or thing. Secondly, you are going to die. To think otherwise is foolish.
Better to be in the peanut gallery than to be a peanut head, Wilmiers! Yes, I am following something. Reality and common sense. Not invisible murdering gods, who impregnate 13 year old betrothed virgins or drown 99% of the entire population of the earth's living creatures because HE screwed up. You are welcome to such a deity. And sure, I've always known I was going to die someday. But I'm not so fearful of it I need to believe in silly childish superstitions like some do.
Randy, It's a personal relationship with God, not me.
I hope your god is smarter than you are. I cannot understand why he chooses the most uneducated people to speak for him, though. It looks bad on him. It sure doesn't do anything to bolster his claim of omnipotence.
Randy, that's your problem; you know nothing about a personal relationship with God. We have a saying, when I saw the light I realized that I had been dead.
And we have a saying too. When I saw the light, I realized a motorcycle was coming and got out of the road.
Randy, now, I know that your mind is larger than an acorn.
The saying around my parts is...There is a light at the end of the tunnel...sadly it is only a train...
Speaking of the truth, I can jump into the trenches and work thru the mud for days with you cute guys without fatique. Pumping points in and loving every moment of it!
God has hidden His Truth from the nonbeliever. You wouldn't see the Truth if I described it into next week.
You are incapable of telling the truth. First you must recognize it.
I wish you'd first understand that you have a BELIEF. Belief doesn't equate to "true" or "right".
Pay no attention to Wilmiers. No one takes him seriously.
Actually wilmiers, you have a belief you've reinforced with your ego driven faith.
Too bad you don't know the difference between an ego driven action and an action driven by conscience.
Cagsil, you keep falling short. Conscience can behold to a doo-doo bug. Where is faith? Faith is more than conscience in the sense that one can act contrary to his conscience in faith.
So you say.
Oh really? Speaks volumes. Keep talking...
And that would mean they are dishonest. So much for you knowing anything about truth.
You're own ego driven agenda has you by the balls and yet you talk about faith, as if you've something to grasp onto when you actually don't and are presently falling, and failing to see you're wrong even on the most basic fundamental of living.
You speak of truth, yet your actions prove and speak otherwise. Yet you cannot see it? That's called ego.
"lean not on your own understanding." Not opening your mouth and locking your lips onto the first thing that crops up in your conscience. You are giving to much credence to your conscience. It has been externally influenced during your rearing and exposed to your environment.
Really? And what in the world makes you think that I am solely relying on my own understanding? Are you G/god? If not, then don't assume things you know nothing about.
The conscience is a collective of everything you've gained through knowledge(including experience) AND wisdom(truth).
If you don't know that, then admit it. Because it is unnecessary for you to take any further steps which would make you be viewed as worse than you're already achieving.
Well, at least my ego isn't talking.
The conscience is the sole source for wisdom which is discerned truth.
Jim Jones would have made you a charter member, no doubt!
But he was once a non-believer just like all of us. Wilmier77's comments make no sense.
That would be untrue. I was a believer at one point and then realize there's no need to believe. So, I stopped believing.
Question is who were you believing, yourself or the Lord, or the bunny rabbit?
I believed like a good little boy and it was God in which I believed in. If you want to say God is Jesus, then so be it.
However, as I said, I no longer have a need to believe it. I know Jesus' true message and no god required to understand it.
I'm not persecuting you. You're the one with the persecution complex which was taught to you via your supposedly loving book.
I'm addressing the irrationality of the belief you seem to speak about and I'm also pointing out how your actions which are ego driven are speaking volumes about you as a person and the character of said person.
No persecution. I don't need to do a thing except what I am doing. It's your perception that is screwed up, not mine.
Cagsil, please! I was referring to Jesus. As far as I am concerned I'll go to hell and back with you and think nothing of it. All in a days work!
I make no bones about it. I alone with billions of other as guided by Christ Jesus.
Apparently your god must have created himself going by your reasoning--or lack of.
doesn't it feel weird spending so long trying to talk to people on a matter that ISN'T EVEN REAL. It only exists in their small little heads. Culture is crazy. Wilmiers77 is driving me nuts.. lol capitalizing the "t" in truth. Oh the colorful words that want to leave my hand right now..
Wilmiers and I have had several debates, in which I have totally destroyed the nonsensical premises that he asserts every time, yet he persistently comes back for more...to be completely humiliated and thoroughly debunked each time.
This just proves the rigidness of psychosis, which is a serious condition.
Jesus told him he would be persecuted, and darn it, he' going to make sure of it! Another self-fulfilling prophecy?
lol. I really like when people like him throw out "arrogant" or "ignorance".. Drives me crazy! Can you really even call this a debate? A lot of people on here (mostly believers, whatever denomination they are, who cares) are terrible to debate with. It's absolutely no fun, when they're so subjective/one-sided, and make themselves look like a jackass. Then I start to look like an ass with the kinds of comments that I'll write.
I'd tell them to go to hell.. but uh.. 0=]
If you have ever dealt with someone suffering from psychosis, you will understand the mindset that these absurd statements come from.
I have a relative who believes that he talks to the dead. I have tried, in vain, to reason with him, that his assertion is completely improbable, and that there is probably some other reason that he thinks that he talks to the dead...such as a chemical imbalance, a post-hypnotic suggestion, narcotics, sleep paralysis, etc. But his only goal is to get me to see that he is telling the TRUTH. He has already established a conclusion, and hates it when you keep talking about facts. Instead of listening to reason, he has decided to HATE me.
I think everyone is a little disordered in their own ways.. And some more than others. I was actually looking up the signs of psychosis.. And he's really not far from it.
Ha! Ha! You have given me a great complement if you mean that I have unwaivering faith. You are shouting from the peanut gallery.
For real, psychosis and FAITH doesn't work in the same realm. Lets stay real and leave psychosis in the cementary of life.
Yep, God through His son Jesus Christ, is the reason for the wonders of the universe...including black holes, super nova, dark matter, galaxies, gravity, subatomic particles, anti-matter, etc.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Now if you will excuse me, I have to go back to the home now.
First and foremost, which God? I am just trying to make a point that there are an infinite amount of possible Gods, as well as an infinite amount of nonreligious possibilities that's the real reason for our existence. The fact that anyone would accept this out of the myriad of possibilities is completely nonsensical.
Of course, if there is such a being as God, He could coexist with science, but, SCIENTIFICALLY, there is no need for a god.
If you mean the God of the bible. Well that God is pretty absurd. There is no real definition of the God in the bible, as He is omniscient and not, at the same time--omnipresent and not. Omnipotent and powerless at the same time?!
How can something, this undefined, coexist with science?
I don't mean the God of the bible. I agree, that God is pretty absurd. Malicious, homicidal, homophobic, and psychotic, the God of the bible is more of a monster than an all-loving Father. I, however, meant the God that shows His existence by saving lives, healing hurts, and yes, sometimes taking people when it is their time to go.
And as far as coexisting with science goes, not all science is perfectly defined. What about the theory of parallel universes? Where is the proof of the Big Bang? Of evolution? What about the speculation about tesseracts? Not all science is concrete, either, and yet we are certain it exists. No, I do not disbelieve science; I very much believe in science.
There is no PROOF that such a god...that you have described, exists.
Yet the belief in any god seems to be pure conjecture, brought on by desire.
If it is logical that there is no god required for the creation and maintenance of the universe, why invent one?
There is no proof that such a God does not exist, either. You demand proof from believers, and we have none to give you. Yet where is your proof that such a God does not exist?
The same place where you can prove Paul Bunyan, Tinkerbell, and Santa Claus don't exist either. Can you prove they are all non-existent? Have a go at it, will ya.
I fail to see how this adds any validity to the existence of imaginary things.
You are obligated to prove the veracity of any assertions that you make. To ask me to disprove your assertions, is a blatant cop-out.
You need to show proof, or you need to withdraw your assertion. I'm required to do nothing but observe, and judge your evidence.
And if you come up with fraudulent or nonsensical evidence, I'm, then, obligated to deny your assertion.
Hey genius, circumstance can be substantive, and most definitely qualify for such assertions.
Why do you, and others who suffer from this delusion, go to such great lengths to prove that you are telling the TRUTH, while pulling every underhanded tactic known to man to validate that TRUTH?
This is merely a silly little psychotic game that your delusion is playing, while your mind is locked, hopelessly, inside a dungeon...never, ever to escape.
If I have already gone to town and returned, and have finished my shopping, than why should I go to town with you because you haven't shopped? I have already had the experiences in life. What you are talking about; I have done that. So, I stay home whether you call it a dungeon or whatever.
wow. Wish I could have said something as simple as Uninvited Write
But, Cag...Jesus believed in God. I also don't agree that God rested in one mortal soul. It is also clear that Jesus believed the same thing.
Actually, it isn't really clear what Jesus knew or believed.
I would have to believe there's a G/god before I could believe it/him/her rested in one mortal soul(person).
No it's not. The bible isn't clear about it because the bible is an incomplete book, arranged by untrustworthy people. Yes, dishonest people put the book together.
Jesus is God among us. Jesus has God's Holy Spirit in Him, not all of God. God is omnipresent. God predestined Man to possess His Spirit Who is in His Son. Lump it and chunk it! That's the way it is. No joke.
Actually, I think it is clear what Jesus believed. I think that it just wasn't understood and so, was left fairly well intact. First point: If you are going to form a religion based on one fellow, wouldn't it be wise to make his teachings and those of his claimed followers more in line with each other? Point two: There is so much which Jesus said which can be consrtued in different fashions, much that is between the lines and much that is overlooked which appears to have been the intention of Jesus himself.
Carefully putting the horse before the cart. There is no PROOF that such a God doesn't exist. That is why people are still arguing about it. If you have PROOF that God doesn't exist, tell us what that might be. Please.
I guess the total absence of ANY evidence, whatsoever, just won't stop the deluded mind from believing, will it? Asserting a nonsensical concept, then demanding that the audience disprove it is absurd...and shows that you are only looking for an excuse to believe in nonsense.
By this same logic, anything that can be fathomed, has to be given the same benefit, no matter how ludicrous(as Elvis lives in my freezer, but you can't see him). Therefore your assertion is, hereby, debunked, and the concept of a god is still denied.
mr. w., you are correct; I was once a nonbeliever, but discovered later that my atheistic views were pinhead size, and that there were actually overwhelming evidence of God and Son, Jesus. My stomach sunk when no one recognized that circumstantial evidence is an element of inductive reasoning. Development of our world, research & development, came mostly from inductive reasoning, not deductive. Mr. w, you struck fear in me with ur respond to "...dead sentence" analogy. What are you thinking about?
Funny you should say that, because I actually see overwhelming evidence of Thor.
But your ridiculous propositions suggest no truth at all. You should at least propose a premise based upon reality.
You mean to tell me that you are not aware that the universe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence? Geez! Please don't express this around the most knowledgeable people.
You implying it is is just more assumption based BS.
Cagsil, as usually, you are totally unaware of being trumped by higher education. But, I don't hold you responsible; you just haven't been exposed.
If being trumped by higher education means that I do not have to turn myself into a talking head, then you can keep it. : lol:
Isn't that why you exist? To make mockery of those who are aren't like you? If so, then you do a very good job, showing how limited you are in understanding of your own life, EVEN with your so-called "higher education".
I touch people's life every day and when I do, they actually realize what I say is truth. I know because I see the smile on their face and I also see the satisfaction in their eyes.
If you can say the same, then good on you. If not, then it's YOU who has things to learn, which apparently your higher education hasn't been able to provide you.
The same results may be obtained from any jackass if you stand behind him long enough.
Of course! I've learned to avoid jackasses of all species, Wilmiers!
As a matter of fact, I am one of Jack's Asses. I have a brother. They called my Dad on the streets, Redjack, because the few times that he was attacked handling his business his oppressor became cover with red.
Yes, using a bottle of ketchup to defend one's self can be very effective.
Using a bottle of ketchup to defend one's self can be very effective? What sort of potatoes are we up against? I usually draw the line at store-bought Steak Fries, but dang! Evidently I need to shop around and start trying something else besides crinkle cuts! ...Albeit I still prefer the ol' fashioned granny-style sliced & fried country-style wedges from whole potatoes with lots of ketchup to dip 'em in. I'm hungry now; thanks...
nobody gets a kick out of anything you say.
they may want to kick you though 0:]
Please, don't bet your life on it; just await higher eduction.
Higher education = Being like you?
Don't waste my effort or time. I can only be me. And, I'm sorry to say this, but from what I've been told(thus NOT ME saying it)...you're likely to be out of your depth, even with your higher education.
One can not recognize being trumped by higher education. As a matter of fact, the trumped person always thinks that the Trumper is crazy.
Really? So much for what you gained from higher education. The truth is that anyone can recognize anything depending on level of awareness.
I think you need to get off the computer and work on your inability to think.
Untrue. Again, here is some more truth for you- if one understands themselves, then they will actually have a high enough awareness to realize several things and one of those things is recognizing ego driven actions and conscience actions, and when each is happening.
Crazy isn't a bad thing, it can be used for good. It's only a bad thing when specific actions are taken and other people are harmed from them.
In your worldview, you have drawn a conclusion, then gathered "facts" to prove that your conclusion was, in fact, true. You should represent yourself in a court of law.
Is this what you mean by deductive reasoning?
Perception of reality is hailed one day, and considered ignorant the next as things rapidly changes.
Are you really this BLIND to your own awareness?
You are aware of the mistakes that one makes when following outdated practices, yet you have completely fallen victim...to the trap...that you can actually see clearly...but can't see yourself immersed in it.
Sure, if I can prove that God is dead.
First off, I don't need to prove anything to begin with. You're the one that made the assertion Thor is dead and Thor is considered a G/god.
So, I've nothing to prove because I didn't make the assertion. And, I know you have no way to prove it. Therefore, it makes you a liar.
Secondly, I would have no reason to prove the G/god you believe exist is dead. I don't try to prove imaginary things are real. I'm not that stupid. I grew out of it.
I call it stupidity in motion. Why? Because, you're filled so much with ego that you've deluded yourself into thinking you know what's best for every other person in existence.
That would make your actions just as dangerous that the mythic god you have faith in.
And, that is purely nothing more than sad.
Be still; remain patience; higher education is nearer than what you think.
good to hear this response, you make a whole lot of sense wilmiers.
Higher education is nearer indeed.
Technically he may be right... My house faces south so when I go to my bathroom I am technically nearer to Antarctica. All things being relative and all.
You can't just make this stuff up, Ray! It's like conversing with the residents of Dayton, Tennessee during the time of the Scopes Monkey Trials! Not surprised though. I passed a church yesterday out in the country not far from here which still passes rattlesnakes around during services. Gonna try and get some video footage if I can. Lunacy comes in many stages, as is so often observed on these forums.
I see you on these forums all the time having some ridiculous conversations I do not know how you put up with it haha. It is amusing at times though...
primi fasie, Thor is dead. You are dead. Niche is dead. God has never winked one eye nor slumber.
But, you have been opposing any word of faith that I have posted during the pass year. You don't care??????????
And, apparently you are so filled with your ego, as I have stated for the past year, and you've yet to realize it, while you also fail to realize what your actions say and represent.
Nothing like a little self-delusion solely based on ego. If for once you looked beyond yourself, you might find an even higher calling.
Do I care about your religious faith, yes. I care because you don't see the damage you do. I care because I have a deeper love for humanity than apparently you do.
You put your faith in something you can never prove to yourself exists and if you do make the claim that it's faith you believe in a G/god, then you only prove the simple fact that you cannot tell the difference between the egotistical delusion you continue to feed yourself, just so you can feel better about yourself.
Good luck going forward.
Oh, I shall continue to spread the Gospel.
You mean to tell me that after showing some sense the pass year on hubs, you haven't learned that people must have something more than legal laws; that attitudes and emotions, and all other intangibles control our lives more than the legal laws; especially, our future actions?? What people have faith in.
Believe me, if one is to mature to the level of feeling some responsibility for the humanity, than he shall need God. You are still in the peanut gallery. Fellow, you are taking to much for granted, and obviously don't know. Please grow pass the thought that just leave people alone and lovely things shall happen. Please think seriously about this.
It is not about believing you - you know nothing except other peoples translations of second hand words from another era. Responsibility for humanity has nothing to do with your religion, which is about control and a refuge for the mentally impaired.
I get paid to be responible for a section of humanity and everyone I meet in this business is either religious or definately not, those who are successful and get positive results are invariably the non-religious, open minded and realistic individuals, while the religious fools cause useless trouble and conflict and dissapear rapidly.
It's not "pass." It's "past" Wilmiers. So much for your higher education.
Ah Ha! You are about exhausted, because, like all other hubbers who begin to run out of sufficient responses, you have begun to correct typos, then claim a victory.
No need to claim any victory of someone who isn't with it to begin with.
If you see my posts as anemic, then it must be your own reflection. It's a shame you don't see that.
There's an old adage which I will leave this conversation with. Why? Because I'm getting bored with the uselessness of your posts and foolish attempts to claim something you cannot honestly admit to yourself exists.
However, having said that, if you were honest with yourself, then you would come to the self realization that there's absolutely NO need for a G/god to exist. It's purely ego from the individual perspective, shouldered by fear of the unknown and rationalized as a belief, so they can feel more comfortable about living life.
Old adage: Arguing with an idiot is useless because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Then again: I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person is another quote that also fits.
Don't try and think, Wilmiers. You keep harping on about "higher Education" yet your posts are rife with misspellings and bad grammar. I doubt seriously you ever finished high school, much less college. And no response to you will ever be sufficient to quell your fantasies about supernatural beings running your life for you.
But I'm not surprised at all. Many who belong to your particular outdated cult seem to have a problem with literacy. This is the reason they put so much faith in an old tome written by common men even more ignorant of facts than you are. I wonder why such a supreme being often chooses the most illiterate and uneducated people to spread the word for him? Perhaps you can answer why this is often the case?
Especially when using spellcheck is so simple.
Wow, have you run out of sufficient responses or what!!! Well, join the peanut gallery with the remaining exhausted hubbers.
Yes, keep posting your silly little responses without ever addressing the questions put to you little man. Any god which chooses you to represent it is lucky to get anyone at all to worship it, much less wish to spend eternity with. Why would anyone ever wish to follow such a being who picked YOU out as an example of how to act?
But continue with your childish responses. Jesters for Jesus!
Wilmiers, pundits and critics of the christian faith will never come to terms with whatever truth or belief that they know are true and real, simply because you as a christian has said it.
They care so much about mundane issues as though the world is just as physical as it is. Well, we all are entitle to our personal belief....One can choose to be carnally minded and at the same time choose to be spiritually minded...Xtianity is about spirituality, the rest is what i am yet to figure out.
So Cagsil, God is illusion in your page for you care?
Ah Ha! You are running out of sufficient responses. Making broad conjectures from a typo. LOLOL!!!
Feel free to prove me wrong, Wilmiers. What great education and accomplishments can you boast of. I cannot imagine someone of your obvious lack of communication being in charge of anything remotely important, or someone reading your words taking you seriously as being astute. Prove me wrong if you care to, or simply continue with your gibberish. I predict the latter. And if you think it's exhausting dealing with inanity, then try and think again.
What are you talking about? You responded to the thread itself, which means you are talking to yourself, yet you're attempting to ask me a question?
If you picked a post to respond to, then I would have at least some clue as to what you are talking about?
But, I see you failed to learn how to properly use the forums, so please do answer my question so I can answer yours.
Thanks for that compliment...or correction the mistake is mind Cag. I responded to your conversation with wilmiers
''You put your faith in something you can never prove to yourself exists and if you do make the claim that it's faith you believe in a G/god, then you only prove the simple fact that you cannot tell the difference between the egotistical delusion you continue to feed yourself, just so you can feel better about yourself.''
is it wrong to have faith or right to have no faith?
Is it wrong to have faith? No.
Is it right to have no faith? No.
I have two faiths- I have faith in myself and I have faith in humanity.
To have faith in anything else is ridiculous.
Because there's no need to do so, nor is there any logical reason to apply faith in any other manner.
If you happen to run across an Alien, you might actually save your life with any other kind of faith other than religious faith.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Knowledge is power!
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man religion and he'll pray for fish and starve to death.
LOL It's been my experience where if you give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll just want to borrow your boat every weekend.
Or if you teach the man religion and he prays for fish, and actually goes to a lake loaded with fish and catches one, it's a miracle from God. If he's tought religion, prays for fish, goes to a fishless lake and ends up starving to death, well that's God's will.
I don't really understand the original post...it seems to be worded in a very offensive manner, and I do not know if it really conveys what you want it to convey. Would you mind clarifying?
From what I understood you were saying that God gave people over to their reprobative minds and as a result they lost all sense of morality, as well as their consciences.
I would say that the verse meant he allowed them to think what they want to think, whether it was principled or not (the whole free choice thing :p) however, the word of God is written on the hearts of every man. Meaning every healthy functioning man and woman has a conscience, and to a degree some sort of moral code.
This verse is part of the whole Sodom thing. It's basically saying that since they didn't know God he took away the Sodomite's ability to judge right from wrong... Then he destroyed their city because they didn't know right from wrong.
No where does it say he took away the ability to judge right from wrong for all men... just the ones he apparently decided to make worse so he was justified in killing them.
Sorry guys... This is one of those Biblical horror stories you have to make amends with to be a Christian. If taken literally and as the breath of God then it really does imply lack of free will from a sadistic God. I laughed when he first posted the verse and wondered if he truly understood the implications. No one called him on it though.
Mellisa, that is not correct at all. Don't mix things up by confusing many people. God;giving people up to reprobate mind is talking about the fact that in life, there can not be a vacuum. When you don't have God's knowledge and wisdom you will definitely have the reverse.
Stop confusing people please...this is not about Sodom and Gomorrah.
Really? Because there are no online bibles in which anyone who chooses to research for themselves can look it up.
"... because they..." Who was the They Felix? You poor thing... you seriously didn't know did you? You randomly picked a verse with no more knowledge of what it was about as if you would have picked a sentence in Spanish out of a text and ran it through a translator to start an argument.
It wasn't a threat. God removed the ability to judge ONLY from the Sodomites. So unless we are decendend from the children that Lot (The "innocent" one God saved) fathered upon his daughters when drunk then we all still have the ability to judge right or wrong. The sodomites were the ones with the "reprobate" minds. They had them only because GOD chose to remove their morals then kill them for not having morals. He purposely created a city of sociopaths so he could destroy them.
Now for the love of God please read your Bible. You are embarrassing Christians.
You should substitute the words ignorance & foolishness for 'knowledge & wisdom' then your statement will be correct.
Because you seem to have, by far, the lowest level of knowledge and wisdom of any of the hubbers opposing you on this forum.
What a remarkably silly worldview...
Melissa, you are wrong. Romans 1:28 is the verse in context. Why will you want to willing-fully make a mockery of your personality here?
Read from verse 18 of Romans chapter 1...i am not surprise that you have gone through it without understanding what you read...it's simply because you want to speak against Felix...this is the word of God, not that of Felix Ok?
It's all about God's wrath against godlessness..For your information, you think you talking against me, no dear; it's not against me, because those are not my words or writing.
It’s God’s judgments against those who are against him. The best thing to do is to take a new leaf and make your way right with God, had it been you read it with a heart to learn God’s word.
Thanks for the clarification, I need to go back an reread the Sodom story now :p Always interesting what comes up on these forums.
Glad you ask....What the bible is talking about is the fact that when someone willfully refuse to accept acknowledge God in his/her heart and or mind(mentality) the repercussion is a state of reprobate.
Reprobate is a state of being in conflict with anything divine or Godly, whether it be ideals, teachings, orientations etc about God.
That's what we are talking about here.
Nope... it isn't. It helps when quoting verses from the bible to read the passages before and after rather than just searching on Google.
You didn't even know who "they" was... nor did you question why a God would choose to make those who didn't believe in him MORE evil.
the "fact" that..? You see, you have a problem knowing what a "fact" is. Facts can be proven by evidence. Don't worry though, not many believers deal in facts, so from now on simply say, "the faith that....." instead and we'll get the message and not confuse it with being something scientifically proven. This will help clarify things immensely and besides, your cult likes to use the faith word to explain everything anyway.
Well besides the whole cult, not recognizing facts and using faith to explain everything things (Which I can't agree with for obvious reasons) I actually think that's a damn good suggestion.
You are way off Mellisa, read the letters to the Romans again with a clear heart Ok?
Cag, she is not telling the truth...not funny at all. You can laugh yourself out.
That's not what the Bible is saying at all....where she got that from only God knows...i see how you can be easily deceive....wow. Good to know that after all.
No, what's funny is that you seem to think you are telling the truth, when someone with a HIGHER EDUCATION than you, just corrected you.
Higher education indeed? Wow, what a funny statement i have come across today.
By the way i don't expect you to know what she is talking about anyway....pointless, arguing that passage with you. That’s not your concern at all. We are talking about God here as I earlier made it clear to her.
It’s not about my person or personality, it is about the word of God who created you, you fail to know who created you and you dare talk about education with me?
Jesus was not educated in any school brother, do you know that fact?
But he is an epoch making man OK?
What i speak with you can not be decipher with educational accolades and accomplishments
Mellissa might be the most educated person in this whole world, I care less, she does not understand God in any way. That’s not education in my page; it may be just that in yours.
She is wiser than you for acknowledging her distorted version of the Bible ignorantly.
Cagsil, you mean a pin head who see no farther than pass his nose can claim higher eduction?
After reading this sentence, I'm sure you've never even mastered English 101.
God should really screen you guys that he sends to deliver his message. This is a glaring contradiction to the wise, all knowing God that you say you know so well.
Maybe I can't see past my nose, but my nose smells a fraud.
Non-believe(acknowledgment) is the real fraud ...you seem to get every statement wrong.
The message of God is love.... even if you have to pretend about it please give it a try; pray in a quite place for God to reveal himslself to you personally any how.... You'll be astonish when you key your-self into the power of God.
He owns you, and he will surely suprise you in a wonderful way....
This thread might sound so harsh against the non-believe movement, sorry about that; but it is the best way to portray the refusal of people like us...blatantly refusing to accept that we have a creator.
God is light, his love and grace is what is keeping the world safe for all of us. All we have to do is by simply have to say thank you Lord, and that's enough.
English is but one of the numerous languages in the world....you my be a professor of English dude....You ought to know God more than you know English.
English will pass away, God is eternal.....stop sounding childish when you have nothing meaningful to say.
And stop smelling fraud where there is no fraud...be real guy.
i love you so much.
More silly childish drivel.
Is that what you are doing, pretending? Are you just psyching yourself into believing in nonsense?
Nobody owns me, and no one ever will.
Why, so I can know nothing?
You have said nothing but childish drivel since you started this thread. Your whole disposition seems to be that of an irrational, frightened child, with no ability to absorb the fact that you can think for yourself. You go on and on talking, just like a child, about a silly ancient fairytale, as if it is true, yet you have the audacity to refer to someone else as childish.
You are completely, and hopelessly lost in a dungeon of ignorance and fear, and have absolutely nothing to propose to the world...no more than any other psychotic.
And stop smelling fraud where there is no fraud...be real guy.
Thanks. That's flattering, but I'm not gay.
getitrite, I suffer (we suffer all) your blunt accusations because I love the person that God has already prepared for you thru Christ Jesus. So, actually I am suffering for YOU, your old present self. Your new self in Jesus, the Son of God, is so much better until you shall join us in saying I was dead; now I have life, and life abundantly.
Jesus called certain people vipers. This name calling was worst than calling you a pinhead for those days, but he died for them also. Not many persons would lay down their life for anyone else. The act speaks volumes to love.
No, actually you suffer from psychotic delusion...that's all.
What a psychotic bubble you live in...completely isolated from reality. This reality that you speak of is frightening disturbing, because you think that somehow this is real. You go ahead and save the world now wilmiers, then we'll have to get you some serious therapy.
As a US Marine, I signed a contract to lay down my life for you, and all my fellow countrymen...and there are plenty of people in uniform to this day who would do the same thing. So your pleading is pure garbage.
One more time, Wiliers. It's "PAST," not pass. Geeze, this is a writer's site, Wilmiers. You're embarrassing all of us with your poor writing skills. Why don't you pray for good grammar and the ability to spell correctly. Now there's a miracle I might find wondrous if your god has that much power. But even gods have their limitations, I suppose.
Randy the prof...God not god, get that right?
Can you compare an eagle with a viper? Who is more anonymous?
I was indeed glad that a glass house man was the first to throw a stone at another glass house G.
The eagle has the highest (best) view among all natural creatures, learn it ways more; the serpent is under a course (figuratively)....This will sound very silly to you indeed.
Do you want me to tell you what you may not know about the serpent Randy?
You called me anonymous, are you not?
Randy, you must be weakening and running out of sufficient responses because, like other hubbers who exhaust, you have began making giant accusations from grammar and typos. You are showing that you have an inadequate foundation. Our foundation is God created All including YOU.
I think I see your problem, Feelix. I'm not hiding behind a fake name at all. This is my real name. The avatar could be of anything or anyone, but my name is real. But here you are preaching from behind anonymity. You are frightened to spread the word using your real name. Anyone could do this but nit only shows your true colors. Are you afraid to speak for Jesus out in the open? Is that what your Bible tells you do do? Why are you so scared to answer any of my questions?
But even if I weren't using my real name, I'm not the one touting a god for others to follow. Either do it like a man or simply don't do it. Otherwise you are nothing but a hypocrite who makes your posts nothing but sill opinions from a frightened child. Now, answer the questions I posed to you. I'm going to keep asking you and making you show your false faith until you do. Might as well get it over with!
Is this your method of trying to be insulting? Boy are you out of your depth.
The post you responded to wasn't said to YOU, but was said to someone else. It was about something someone else said, which corrected him.
Now you jump on me because I pointed out that someone other person, who isn't me, has a higher education than Felix and proved him wrong, yet you seem to miss the context of what you're responding to to start off.
I have no issue seeing beyond myself. Unlike you, my purpose in life is to serve humanity and I have dedicated my life to doing just that. You have probably set your purpose to serve G/god, but fail to see the egotistical actions you do.
Cagsil, atheism and theism will perish just like every other thing in this world...Let not get unduly personal at times.
I may be the worse illiterate in the world, and that's simply because Jesus did not go to any school, but people were able to understand him, the same way you can understand me with my poor and bad English....and that's because i am not English anyway; at least not like you if i am correct, and had no patience to learn the language correctly because the Job at hand is really huge...
You can bear me witness if you can spare me one slot of your sympathy at least for being a human being.
My viewpoint is not in tandem with yours and we can agree to disagree, i am not in anyway representing Christianity, but i am fully representing the God who created me and you.
I may not be a Christian, i may not be an atheist or a theist. I will still acknowledge God because everything around me in this universe is bearing witness of his wonders.
I will not allow myself to be indoctrinated against his breath in me, we all have it. this is my stand in a nutshell.
You can school me if only you will oblige to this humble request.....Guy, humility is the cheapest and simplest thing for me as a child of God to do.
i will never be ashamed to be corrected, just as i will never ever be ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation...This thread is filled with hidden love...all we care about is to attack Felix....please, let look beyond Felix, but into the substance (God) of this thread.
request...i want to know all that you know.with no condition.......
How about that Cag?
Cagsil, like the TSA checks passengers before boarding an airplane, I am checking you on all statements.
Cagsil, listening to what God tells YOU is best for YOU and the humanity. This is beyond your singular mind.
I am wondering about such illogical conclusion;quite childish and baseless. HIGHER EDUCATION?
very funny....No knowledge is worth it, if it devoid of the creator.
Randy Felix has no problem.....stop teasing yourself man.
Right. Everyone is wrong but you. And another thing, aren't those witnessing for Jesus supposed to do so openly without hiding their identity? Aren't you ashamed to hide behind behind a wall and shout out through a window with your message? Were those who preached for Jesus hiding behind anonymity while spreading the word? Are you afraid to let those who you wish to follow your faith see you for who you are?
Where's your faith your god will protect you for serving him? Who would dare risk their soul for an unknown persons word? Think about it. For all we know you could be a criminal of some sort. Show your faith by identifying yourself openly before preaching anything requiring faith. Geeze Louise!!
He could be another Jim Jones, trying to condition us, before convincing us to drink the toxic Kool-Aid.
Somehow you missed this question, Feelix. I'm sure it was merely an oversight as a true christian would not ever purposely do so. So I though I'd help you out by reposting it, so you can answer it now. Thanks!
Proof for God? We have been telling you from jump street that we have Faith. The Faith reveals the truth and proof to the one believer who have the FAITH. So, it's like the atheist doesn't even see the mountain from which we call, bound to live in the crap on the valley floor.
Have you tried asking Jehovah's Witnesses. trust me, most relligious leaders today are nothing but fanatics. I really got a better explanation from the witnesses. The bible you see today takes devine intervention to understand. So my friend, do not give up hope in looking for God. if your heart is true and laong with sincere prayer you will find him. There are supernatural forces guiding our lives, where do you think these forces come from? The truth is that supernatural biengs do exsit, they are the forces of evil and good. If one is called satan, then the other is called Jehovah.
Jehovah's Witnesses are fanatics just like the rest of the deluded minds.
He's right. I mean I didn't KNOW before I tried peeing standing up that it would just run down my legs and puddle around my feet. I mean I realized the laws of physics said that it would. I had heard from other women who tried it (while drunk) that it would happen. I also knew that when my water broke with my children that happened...
But for some reason I thought it MIGHT be different with pee. I just had to try it because despite all reason and evidence to the contrary I thought I could write my name in the snow.
It would have worked too... If my name was "."
As a person fascinated by the break away sects I can assure you. I've given the Witnesses ample room to present their views. I have found them to be some of the most delusional among the religious I've encountered.
If you say there is no God, you have a reprobate mind
This is another title that needs to come to an end...
paradigm...Simply because you have exhausted all you have to defend yourself with?
I thought you guys said i was defending my God?
Wow, the earth and everything in it belongs to our God.
Randy is wondering,...That's what has been assign to the viper(serpent)..always crawling on its belly...The anonymous eagle(Felix) is souring higher and can see every demonic serpent.
No mortal in this world can stand against the word of God for eternity.
What logic and scientific proof is there to substantiate the non existence of God....Perversity is worse than death.
Yes, an eagle soaring high over everything. Eagles are also carrion eaters, Feelix. Merely buzzards which occasionally kill their own prey. I watched a bald eagle run off a deer carcass the other day by a couple of crows.
Can you prove any of the ancients gods don't exist, Feelix? If you cannot prove they are imaginary then does it mean they are real? This is the same logic you are pathetically using to back up your argument for your imaginary god. So, have at it. Either prove those other gods are imaginary or stop using this inane logic as an excuse for why yours isn't. Don't run off and hide now before offering your proof!
You have not the view that Felix of which speaks, and never have, and with your belief of opposing God never shall.
The Greek-Roman gods lived in the minds of the people as spirits. God, "Commander of all gods", lives in our minds as a Spirit, and materialized as Christ Jesus.
Who cares what you think, Wilmiers? You are worst spokesman any god could choose to represent it.
This means that I am pleasing God since a dead head atheist made your comments.
What is it with thee "head" comments, Willy? It's always "pin head," "dead head," or something similar. I don't recall Jesus using those insulting names to describe anyone in the Bible. Does this make Jesus proud of you, Willy? Is this how your old book teaches you to spread the word? Yes, you are a shining example of true christian love and tolerance. Perhaps you can answer the questions for Feelix. He's frightened now and needs some support. Help him get out of this mess if you can.
Randy my pal...and my very good pal, i love your resiliency, but you can do better than Paul who turn out to be the Apostle of the gentiles for that Jesus he oppose the most ignorantly until he was blinded with a strike from Heaven........
God will save you whether you admit it or not...in his time he will definitely do that which he has for you.
I am very convinced about this truth.....You will preach his word more than any one you can think of.
i am not preaching to you, God is.
Jesus will strike you more than he did Paul on this mission of opposing him that you love so much on earth...this is not a threat because Jesus is Love brother...it is a prophesy of God about who you truly are......so wise and knowledgeable yet using it to oppose your true personality?
Why will any one choose to do that?
You are wiser than where you choose to domicile Randy….Try looking up to Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith…in him you will have life abundantly. Taste and see that the Lord is really good, at least for once…please pal.
No, *you* are preaching. And that is why this cycle continues. Ad naseum.
Try sticking it, Feelix. I've given you ample opportunity to back up your lies to no avail. I[ve asked you to prove your silly claims and you die behind your silly little beliefs. No, if there were such a Jesus as you proclaim he would want you to be proud of your faith, not afraid to reveal your true identity like a thief in the night.
My identity is here for anyone to see and to find me if they are so willing. I can back my words with deeds and truth while you scurry around boasting of a god you are afraid to represent. No, you've been given a chance to show how honorable you are and have failed miserably as a spokesman for any deity, real or imagined.
No, you are no different than Wilmiers with his embarrassing. childish name-calling. Enjoy your idea of heaven. With people like your and others going there, it is my idea of pure hell. Carry on with your frightened rantings. Hide yourself well so you won't be so scared.
Wilmiers, the spirit of God is indeed in you.....what you just said is a mystery that can not be fathom with a carnal mind.
In his love always.
Randy my pal, do you mine if i call you that for a start?
i will talk with you heart to heart if you care...can we?
To answer your question....i can prove that those ancient god/s were not imaginary. but a little more than what you and i know may want to accept.
firstly gods are real, God is real....that's my stand.
God is the God above all other gods....there are gods and principalities. There are powers in the heavenly realms....you don't believe there are, while i do.....It is quite understandable, diversities and varieties makes life meaningful all the way.
I view the universe spiritually, you may not be on that page....If you refute what i say, it doesn't prove you right in any way.
I am 100% convince of what i know...i don't know if you have any personal experience ..have you randy?
No, pal is better than "pinhead" which Willy seems to enjoy calling those who disagree with him. And sure, if a heart to heart talk means answering questions when they are out to you. I'll do the same with no problem. You say you can prove the ancient gods were not imaginary. If so, then you are world's first to do so. So i can't wait to see your proof.
I hope this isn't your idea of proof, because i can make the same statement about the Easter Bunny.
Simply a statement anyone can make about anything with nothing substantial in the entire paragraph. You get nowhere with such baseless statements. Try again.
In other words, logic, knowledge, common sense and, education are all lost on you. Why would anyone wish to be so ignorant to be favored by a god of any sort? So why do you hide while spreading the word? Is this what Jesus taught you to do?
Randy i will be philosophical with you henceforth....you know me and i know you real good.
I am not hiding, because the viper can strike at the slightest opportunity. I am always awake my pal.
The serpent is a subtle animal, you are indeed a genius, don't forget the fact that i am hovering above you avatar-wise…..As long as you are anonymous, I will be…..hear the word, not the person who deliver the word.
We are talking about mystery pal.
Not like the devil seeking whom to devour, but as a servant of God seeking whom to save by the power of the most high.
Can i prove that i exist?...the answer is no, can you prove that you don't exist?
The answer is still no....do we all exist? And the answer is yes....Quite easy to digest.
If God does not exist, how come the English and every other tribes and tongue have a name for him...distinctively worldwide?
If Satan and gods do not exist, that means the whole human race is in a wilderness of foolishness and ignorance; according a non existing entity/ies names ....how did they come about that?
May be atheism is the new religion, are you religious? If you are, I am available to be carried along..
We were born into this world, and we are not responsible for the name ‘’God’’, ’’Satan’’, ‘’Evil’’, ‘’Good ‘’and ‘’Bad’’.
Are you wiser than every one else, including those that were before you?
This is more than a prove......it will be foolish to prove otherwise.
Man's knowledge, logic, and reasoning shall always be too short to argue with the Living Word of God Who manifested as Christ Jesus.
"Science is Blind without religion.", Albert Einstein.
As if you knew anything about knowledge, logic and reasoning, Wee Willy!
"There's a sucker born every minute."
Randy, appears that you are not only blind spiritually, but also physically blind. I won't start bragging on my achieved credits because I take a back seat to Jesus Who paid my sin debt. I will drop one hint; call the National Physics Honor Society in Richmond, VA, and ask who was inducted for life in 1992, and Inductees can submit papers to be presented at national and regional meetings. This is all pure physics with mucho logic and reasoning.
But, this is nothing compared to Christ Jesus as master of my life.
Oh No, please do brag, Willy! I do find it hard to believe anyone with your disability at spelling and reasoning would be honored at anything. I suppose some groups don't really care too much for literacy though. But please, if you are such a physics scholar, explain to Feelix how anti-matter can cause something to form from nothing. Any physics major should be able to do this and it eliminates a god as needed for the creation of the universe. Of course, you already knew this if you are what you claim to be. I'll be waiting for your concise explanation.
Yep, but most suckers are also ignorantly blinded by the "Powers That Be." Oh, my, don't we have a huge mesh of those... In all directions, of course.
It helps the ones that can't answer back with anything that contains any real substance that spawned from an ample supply of cognitive function, so I'm sure that it serves its purpose; LOL!
And I suppose YOU decides what substance consists of?
You are the one that seems to not understand the masses involved that are oblivious to the Powers that Be, not me...
Things aren't always what they seem, are they? And I'm quite sure YOU aren't one of the "Powers That Be."
Of course not, as if I was, I'd be against the unity along with the entire fabric of the universe... Oh, dear, I better watch my words, or I might slip some quantum entanglement in there and then you'll get all fussy; ha!
No, don't worry about that at all. I've had a look at some of your hubs.
I don't know, I got about 400 articles spread out amid several websites; ha!
Sad, but true...
Anyway, to be more germane and in all seriousness, it is fairly obvious that you "act" as a little child while trying to get patted on the back by going with what, you deem as popular opposition.
You want to continue to stick your head in the sand, so be it, but if ya want to talk about it, ya better be able to back it up and at least talk above a mad 5-year-old that can't find his cookie jar.
Bring it on, sister... LOL!
Well I hope your other articles are better than those here. And seriously back atcha, after reading a bit from your hubs I have no desire to waste my time with you. As I said previously, your userame is quite apt. Talk to willy. He's more your speed.
How come ya never showed up on any of my Hubs? It is easy to say that you have on this forum, but I find it funny that you haven't landed in the comment field? Hmm, such a bluff.. Come on down, other folks like most of those Hubs or to at least debate about them using critical thinking; I find it amusing that you find yourself smarter or too good for the Hubs that many people deemed otherwise...
Hell, to disagree is one thing, but to act as if you are above such subjects, is another... What a joke! Poor man, grow a brain, please, and come back and holla at me...
That's a technical knockout for atheism ideologies.
It is completely meaningless, you will never have a clue of this non-belief..and even if you have, it's due to conspiracy you have willingly aspire to propagate...
It is either you acknowledge God and live a life filled with love and compassion...or you have the reverse...you know what i am talking about.
I don't hate atheists,don't get me wrong dude. I hate Satan who is the father of this brainwashing ideology.
It has failed even before it started....get that?
There is no force, no power, no principality in high places that can stand against Jehovah(God).
We talk about him, we don't talk about educational qualification; be it higher or lower...these are mundane issues.
When God is in view, mundane is nothing.
Too bad, many people have been lured into the wilderness of spiritual darkness by Satanic ideologies.
Does Satan love?
Does he have passion and compassion?
God is love if you must know....i am not against any creature created by God, as long as you are human; you are a son and daughter of God..because you have his breath.
Acknowledge him for that is the wisdom that is above all other earthly understanding and knowledge; This is my message to everyone.
You guys can run away now.......Or choose to continue with empty messages.
See my last 2 posts. Your response will tell much about you, if you dare answer the questions.
Take it easy Randy...i will never run away from any mortal...never in this life or the life next brother.
No, you didn't explain why you hide your real name while attempting to spread god's word. Is this how Jesus told you to do it? Aren't you supposed to expose yourself to the sinners to show your faith in your god? Who wants to risk their soul on the words of an unknown stranger? And you haven't disproved or proved the existence of any of the ancient gods, including the one you anonymously vouch for. Not even close.
Jesus did not hide, and he was caught and kill in other for me to have life....don't forget the Bible advices me to be wiser than the serpent.....
Are you surprise pal? The work and the deal has been done at Calvary...The rest is victory songs endlessly.
That venom of the viper is what i have been trampling upon because it is powerless when i am in view, i am filled with the spirit of God......
You know what i mean don't you?
I bet you will not say no.
NO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!! ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
Just how long will you keep evading the question?
How completely dishonest can one person be.
Liars for Jesus! Another one bites the dust. No different than any of the other religious trolls who show up here. I'm through with this guy. He knows even less than most.