Obama says police were 'stupid' to arrest black professor Henry Louis

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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Hi Lita,
There is a separate forum thread on his resignation. Of course, it's all the usual suspects over there boasting and gloating and comparing their favorite Van Jones" quotes.

He was caught off-mike saying nasty (but true) things about Republicans. Plus his support of 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Sounds like the White House isn't jumping to his support. RWers are having a field day...
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
He said the government was behind 9/11, but a few politicians also said that Roosevelt was behind Pearl Harbor back in World War II. Not a smart move, but is he the only one to say something that foolish?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well, it's not a smart move from a career point of view, certainly. one must admire his courage. still, the question remains, when will enough people grow a spine strong enough to help them stand on their own two feet and then challenge the "official" 9/11 story? hey, i didn't bring up 9/11, but am more than happy to venture into the arena.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not believe the US government is behind 9/11, but you are free to share why you feel it might be.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  have you read crossing the rubicon? if so, tell me what you think about it.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have not read crossing the rubicon, but I will tell you why I do not think 9/11 was an inside job. Islamic terrorists do like to blow up buildings and the like, so I definitely believe Bin Ladin was behind 9/11. It has not happened again because of heightened security, but you are welcome to have a different opinion.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i do. however, i must tell you that i had a different opinion on the day of the attacks, and as the news reports began conflicting themselves, by the hour, it only confirmed that belief. then, of course, ruppert's book came out and pretty much sealed the deal. you should read it, sweetie pie. it's a very thorough account of why we are where we are today. it will open your eyes and give you even more information to battle these bumpkins here on hp.
  
  it's getting way to late for me now, let's chat tomorrow. hold dow the fort tonite while i get some sleep.
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
Oh since they are all praising Glen Beck again, I just had to share another video about Glenn thinks the Rockerfeller center is fascist and communist. If you think Glenn Beck is factual investigator, then watch this. I would say he is not:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msn … 130288.asp
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
Are you people Crazy to think the President would blow up his own country and let over 3000 ppl die? God help you all.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Begin to run !!
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  egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am crazy enough to believe that the President would invade a country for made-up reasons and let over 150,000 (almost 5,000 coalition) people die. God help us all.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, !
  
  U.S.A. agenda have South America as a target in the near future. The Land of Water. Future gold
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Made up? The thousands of Kurds who were gassed would probably disagree with you.
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  egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, it was for the Kurds? Or for 9/11? Wait, no, that was other bad guys. WMDs? Hmm... Ah wait! They have written books on this, and proven Bush's reasons (which did not include the Kurds, they have my sympathy though) non-existent or made up. Try Fiasco, Thomas Ricks.
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blue dogposted 14 years ago
actually, jiberish, here's some info directly related to the book's info:
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http://www.aztlan.net/du_deformed_iraqi_babies.htm

and it's probably a safe bet to say the former vice president has a good handle on what's going on.

there's also more info available if the above link doesn't make your sunday morning a happy one. rest easy.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
The conspiracy nuts never miss a chance to repeat their nonsense.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  deformed iraqui babies is not conspiracy nonsense , I think. Maybe you do ?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you are, for once, correct: 3,274 posts of utter nonsense. it's amazing that you and your alter egos are allowed to exist on this site. soon, after the likes of you and a texan (with a little t) along with his PAL dean have been allowed to drag this site so far down in to the gutter that it never recovers, you'll fortunately be forced to take your level of intelligence to another site where you'll be allowed to repeat the same nonsense again. social discourse should require a certain amount of information to be brought to the discussion. your 3,274 posts obviously prove that belief to be a fallacy.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We really just have to ignore him. He goes in a tizzy when people do not agree with him 100% of the time.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, let's not pick on the fuzzy little butt sniffer!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I could care less if people do. Last night I was encouraged to ignore him cold turkey, but he is allowed to run around and be abusive. I am sick of his behavior!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah yes, the "tizzy" of correcting your errors.
  
  ...and not even a 'thank you' for my trouble...
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  TK, if you noticed blue dog and I do not agree on 9/11. However, unlike you I respect his opinion. I believe the Iraq War was was unjustified, and where I do agree with him is that Cheney had a great deal of personal interest behind it. Your arguments have no factual basis, you just like to stir the pot.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Great. Who asked you?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Stop picking on people with different political opinions than yourself. If you think his idea is so wrong demonstrate why.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In your mind, is there any connection between the topics from which you seem to randomly jump?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  actually, we've all just decided to enter the official "tk's posts of random thoughtlessness" challenge. you win.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is very perplexed about how people can discuss more than one topic at a time .
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is hilarious...
  
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Iraq war was unjustified, then what is Obama's War? Justified? He has no intention of bringing home the troops, Oh yeah I forgot, It's Obama, so it's ok.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jiberish don't waste your breath looking for normal thought process from these clowns. It wont matter that Clinton Gore Reid Pelosi H.Clinton all said he had WMD's and there was no doubt,they think Bush made up the intelligence even before he was President, Stupid is a full time job!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I question some of Obama's policies, and I would like him to pull out the troops. However, Afghanistan is viewed as a true threat, and we are focusing more on that conflict. It is hard to just pull out of Iraq now that we are mired there, so think about it. The reason I am happy with most of his policies is because overall he is doing a good job. I question many more of Bush's policies because he is the one that got us involved in Iraq in the first place, and we had not true justification to be there. Maybe if you try to distinguish and not assume people agree with every single policy. What this comes down to is the anger over McCain not in office, and I am sure if he was in power you would be telling me to agree with him more.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure you know my thoughts on McCain, since you seem to know how everyone should think. Funny how when there is a question disagreeing with Obama, it suddenly reverts back to Bush. Get a Clue Bush is no longer president! Everything now is Obama's pie, and unfortunatly there is not one thing I can agree on his policies. He is not doing a good job, and he is not the president for the people.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  an interesting recipe. cheney and shrub get to mix the ingredients, then it gets to be called obama's pie...
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Noooooo! Thats not how it works. You get to blame the previous president for your whole first term.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See those are your opinions. Yes I will bring up Bush again and again because our economy and foreign policy has many things to fix because of his administration. I know Obama is a good president for this country, and I think you feel his policies are not good for you. Wow, encouraging kids to stay in school and making health care more affordable is so horrible. Admitting to our allies that sometimes we make mistakes is so horrible. Obama has quite a bit of clean-up to do after Bush, and this will always be pertinent!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It will only be pertinent to you! The rest of us have moved on and know that the stimulus were bad programs brought about by irresponsible incompetents, keep pledging your allegiance to the boy king and we will keep the pressure on!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And logic takes another savage beating...
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tk, there is no logic. I did not agree with everything Bush did, I don't agree with everything Palin says, and I had my issues with McCain, however I am bold enough to admit them. There hasn't been one post from the other side that disagrees with anything Obama has done, it's has to be sheer blindness.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You lie Jibberish. Actually I disagree with Obama being too moderate on health care. I wish he and the liberal Democrats would have just went ahead with the single payer model. I would like to see Obama be less moderate on some things, and not give into the pressure from conservatives. The first school lesson plan was not even that bad, just a cheesy plan. Asking kids to think about a speech, well that sounds like a standard text book question. You distort everything jibberish. Many Americans happen to support Obama, and you would be surprised to realize most Democrats still do. It is people from other political parties who seem to have an issue with him. Okay that polarizing America, but who said everyone would agree on who should be the best president. I have every right to admire Obama, and when you get more respectful you will stop attacking those who happen to agree with most of his policies.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have again, not been disrespectful for voicing my views. I don't quite know how you consider your view justified, and mine disrespectful. I am glad you stand behind the man you voted for, at least you don't waiver on that.
  
  If it was just as simple as insuring all American, everyone would be on board. Please take the time to really consider all aspects of this bill and the others comming down the pike. It's not all black & white. Respectfully your, JT
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Americans that are not on board are falling for the PR against health care reform. If we do not make health care more affordable the only people we are protecting are the insurance companies. As someone that has paid a five thousand dollar deductible with insurance I am all for health care reform. I would like to see a single payer model, which actually works quite well in the UK. The people not on board with health care do not have rational explanations, and most of what they have said seems a little self concerned to me. They have insurance or can afford their medical procedures, and really do not think about others who cannot. Even Kennedy as much as people hate him in his passing was pushing for health care for all back in the seventies. He in his high position with affordable health care had more empathy for all Americans than some with less than him.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunatly the health care in France and the Uk, even in Canada is not what it originally intended to be. They are out of money, doctors are quitting, there are several article from prominent doctors who are very concerned when they are forced to give a dying person an IV instead of the care they need due to the lack of funding. There is a concern, and before we jump into another mess we should consider the history of other countries health plan. Everyone should receive a health plan, and if Congress was so concerned about the people, they would offer the same plan they have, but not one of them is willing to sign on to what they are offering the masses. Does this not concern you?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your arguement is with the privately owned hospitals and their pricing and the insurance companies who support them. Not to mention, the attorneys that hover over both. Shoving a plan down the throats of the people who pay and make tham responsible for everyone else is a misdirected attempt at fixing something by taking the path of least resistance. What you want is price controls on all the above not picking a fight with people who actually work for a living.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I work harder than many people I know. I get the nickname for being a work horse at work because I am willing to go above and beyond. Your gross comments are just that, gross. Why ignore those such as you who have no empathy for the hard working Americans that cannot afford health care. Yes insurance companies need to be regulated, and the prices will come down for everyone. The US spends more on health care per person than any country in the industrialized world. For some reason conservatives with lots of money have little empathy for those who actually have to work for a living, but do not have the connections you do.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have plenty of empathy for those who work and barely get by. I just don't want to pay for every one else when thats not the real issue. Gross! I was trying to be serious and state my position your reaction to my statements is exactly why I post smartass remarks!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its always a good idea to ignore about 48% of the vote, you should never give your opposition a voice! And you wrote a Hub on the differences of Tyranny and Freedom, you are a shining example of how not to govern!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh great, all-knowing, representative of the lost and lonely, lead us out of our dillusion, and into a new world for the brave and strong, a place where communism actually works, where people who work hard gladly give you their money to support us. We believe in you and we want you to disolve the other party and send these mean nasty people to a enlightened progressive gulag in Alaska.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats funny! Now quit attacking her!!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry! I'm on my knees begging for your forgiveness! I know I am a smartass but it's not my fault! My sisters abused me and I never recovered, they constantly told me to 'grow-up' and it scarred me for life. Now when somebody says something that is really odd, I go off! Oh woe is me!
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh! That explains it.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph, I respect your opinions, I have never heard you resort to name calling, Too bad about your sisters, I'm sure they meant well.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Says the one who calls conservatives "knuckle dragging neanderthals" too bad we can't be just like you Ralph. The airheads would never understand your classic attacks!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph do you really teach? If so, what?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Socialism 101
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "alter egos"???
  
  Hitting the weed a little early today, champ?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, it's "dragging down" the site to have people who don't agree with your drug-addled musings and dare to question any liberal views? Too damn bad, Cheech.
  
  "intelligence" .... lol
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Blue Duck is whining again, the only people bringing this site down are the ones who continue to stifle free speech and claim victim status because someone dare disagree with your absurd allegations that Bush blew up the WTC! Then you claim Van Jones is so brave to resign, here is a clue Obama FIRED him because he is a political liability! And who cares how many posts someone has on these forums? Isn't posting the point? Now go and report me to Hubpages like the worm you are!
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Someone wrote a book?! OMG!!!! That settles it then!
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egivposted 14 years ago
I know it's a foreign concept to you: they're pretty cool, instead of one screen with flashing bright lights, there are lots of pages with WORDS! Try it sometime, it's fantastic.

God, I'm out; we all need to get lives.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
And could we dispense with the "stop picking on me!" routine? Say what you want to say and respond to what you want to respond, or not. The incessant whining is pointless.
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
Yikes, you two just like to stir the pot. In reality the successor does have to clean up the messes of the former president. Also, many people had it out for Obama from the start, so now they are picking at anything he does. The school speech was a ridiculous example as the original lesson plan was cheesy, but not indoctrination. It was not even mandatory, but heaven forbid we stop to look at the facts. I actually hope many teachers do allow their kids to listen to Obama's speech because that is what America is about, presenting all sides and allowing people to decide for themselves. The PR campaigns against Obama are just getting more nasty than the ones against Clinton. I did not agree when people said Bush should go to jail for war crimes, and other nonsense by the way. He was our president and made bad foreign policy choices that I did not agree with. I do not stoop to the level of calling names as is with popular with so many conservatives here on the forum.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe this does not apply to me, since not once have I called you a name. There is nothing wrong in my opinion with speeking to the children, it's the questions he was asking them like 'what can you do to help your president' that is alarming. Will our children then be coached into reporting their parents if they are against Obama?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whos doing that to you? I'll drop kick them off the planet!Bye! Its time for church! God Bless you all and thanks for the fun!
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ah, the sunday morning drop kick church of hypocrisy.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It starts at 1300 blue butt, you can try to use my religion as a basis for your arguement but, "Homey don't play that!"
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
If you talked to people in the UK and France you would discover they are happy with their health care for the most part. Their systems will continue to operate, and money is a man made invention anyway. No one person on earth seems to be able to figure out how to handle it better than the other.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, I guess the 15 e-mails from friends and family in Europe should be discarded, and the hundreds of letters from doctors should be swept under the rug. Maybe we should just stick our heads in the sand.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They usually leave if they don't have a bunch of people saying the same stupid things. Jiberish there is no reason to be kind with them call it as you see it!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There was a very vocal campaign by UK twitters in favor of the NHS. London Girl has written several balanced hubs on the subject, which I suggest to everyone. Health care is not as monstrous in Europe as people have made it out to be.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Europeans are as monstrous as we thought they were.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know lets do away with money! We can all have a number assigned to us for our goods and services and those who don't choose to cooperate don't get food and services. What do you think? Good idea?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't there already a name for that system?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, Gee! Maybe if we polarize the issue and talk like this, it will make rational discourse go away. Ya think, ya think? Maybe somebody will read this and think we're clever (then again, maybe not).
  
  You know guys, I believe it is very entertaining to come back to see SP kick your butts verbally all over the thread while you continue to emit these brilliant (not) stereotypical 'witticisms.' Luckily, you don't use your names or actual pictures, so you can continue to hide from your ignominy.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that's exactly what's happening. BlueDud loan you some of his pot?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Scourge of the forum. Egiv had you down with only 3 weeks here.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ooops, you forgot to add something about how wonderful you are.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you jealous because Lita did not compliment you?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Devastated.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your dog is very cute . Try letting people have their own opinions without calling them illogical every five minutes. I get it, you do not like Obama. Do not worry, you do not have to marry him or anything .
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You try being logical for five minutes first.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am logical, but talking with you on this forum is a waste of time. Maybe someone else will come along and you can argue with them .
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Feel free to ignore me.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  we do. every now and then we throw you a bone.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And everyday you smoke one.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, SP is using her name, no doubt
  
  And spare me please about her or smbdy else kicking smbdy's butt. Looking from a shoulder, the level of this "discussion" (as well as the neighbor thread) is pretty much the same on both sides, nobody can even lift their foot from the ground, let alone hitting a target.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I completely disagree, sir. My analysis is completely different. I'd stake my job or experience or something like that on it, but don't want to make you feel bad. Can't have that, can we?
  
  But you are right. No changing 'minds' here. Besides, I DO realize what this is for the one side involved, . Still, SP's rationality is there for others who maybe want to read through the thread.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  At least I use my real picture, and I do use my real name on the LA examiner. You do not read much of what I write, so how would you know. Also, if you think their hiding behind pictures and calling people names is cool, well I already know I am not one of your favorites.....
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bite me! Goatboy!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Queen Lolita speaks,"I only have one thing to say to you peasants. I got my nose caught on the ceiling fan and I still don't like you."
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Thanks for the kind words about Wolfgang though.
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
I may not be as intellectually savvy as other's in here, my problem is that I read and search, and can usally back up everything I say. Here are some facts on Health Care from other countries:

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.

Claire Rayner, President of the Patients Association and a former nurse, said:“For far too long now, the Patients Association has been receiving calls on our helpline from people wanting to talk about the dreadful, neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel treatment their elderly relatives had experienced at the hands of NHS nurses. I am sickened by what has happened to some part of my profession of which I was so proud

Tiel says the cost of France's socialized health care is growing faster than its economy. Workers pay about fifty percent of their paycheck each month into healthcare, retirement and unemployment and more companies are outsourcing jobs to avoid those costs. Quality of care also suffers in France, says Teil, because hospitals and doctors resist government requirements to report their success and failures

WSJ
In recent months, France imposed American-style "co-pays" on patients to try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to crack down on expenses. "A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to provide good-quality treatment," President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a recent speech to doctors.
And service cuts -- such as the closure of a maternity ward near Ms. Cuccarolo's home -- are prompting complaints from patients, doctors and nurses that care is being rationed. That concern echos worries among some Americans that the U.S. changes could lead to rationing
Read for yourself Then come back with an educated rebutal:

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/ … els-in-uk/
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
Sigh. OK, I'm not going to go into a long rebuttal, because perhaps as you know, there is information opposing these points of negativity (and they are points, and somewhat anectdotal as well.) Of course we are talking about a large system here, and with any large system (be it a private corporation or otherwise) there are problem areas that need to be addressed. I think we can all agree on that, yes?

Additionally, others have said it better than I can. LondonGirl has written excellent hubs on the NHS system. So you can read those.

Thirdly, the information on how doctors deal with the terminally ill is actually pretty much the same, it seems to me, from reading this information. I've had the displeasure to have a few people die around me within recent months, and I can tell you that all of them were heavily sedated with morphine during their last days. That's here in America with private insurance. And it is more about easing the patient's pain and being humane than anything else.

Fear is a powerful weapon, and it turns rational people into crazies. Change is scary for some...but all of this is especially ridiculous when you realize for most people who have private insurance and are happy with it, the coverage will change very, very little under Obama's plan.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You hope.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you be any more condescending?
  
  I'm not scared, just informed.
  
  If you think you know how much or how little private insurance will change under BHO's socialized medicine, then I look forward to your hubs on the subject of clairvoyance. There is no such thing as "Obama's Plan", rather there are competing plans in both houses of congress. Two of the bills are still in committee; no one has any idea what the final product might be.
  
  Here's BHO on both sides of the single-payer fence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST84DJMD_eM
  
  Who you gonna believe?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am beginning not to even read your posts, Nicomp. Sorry. Gotta go.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My pesky facts are a thorn in your side.
  
  Please go. Your obfuscations and condescension detract from the dialog.
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
Lita:
"Fear is a powerful weapon, and it turns rational people into crazies. Change is scary for some...but all of this is especially ridiculous when you realize for most people who have private insurance and are happy with it, the coverage will change very, very little under Obama's plan."

Please tell me you actually read the bill, or do I have to cut & paste some more?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will only say that I don't live life in that much fear. Nor can a rational person be expected to read a 1,000 page document...most people know this. I went into this on another forum thread (before I was lambasted by more of the 'contingent'). Manuals are important for the fact that they pertain to certain circumstances and certain people at certain times. Executive summaries are written for ease of understanding (and in my job, I have been known to produce those off actual legal documents for public consumption and ease of understanding).
  
  If you want to believe in "death panels," etc., you have the right to do so, but this moves this discussion, as far as I am concerned, into illogical discourse...I do not have the time or inclination. Period.
  
  Appreciate your initial post, but this is now devolving. I literally have to go do my laundry. Please see LondonGirl's hubs. Best words I can actually say here.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you. Admit you don't know the facts. I respect your honesty.
  
  When do you plan to get to the ease of understanding part? All I've seen so far is condescending pablum.
  
  You have plenty of time. Your strategy is to tell us you're too busy, then lurk. You're in a rut.
  
  You'll be back.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  WTF?! I hope they lead you to a nice pasture.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. Mooooo!!!!
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Those reasonable people are elected official getting paid with our money, Their JOB is to read the darn bills. What the heck else do they have to do?
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i believe she was referring to herself when she used the term "reasonable'. nowhere do i interpret her comment as a reference to an "elected official getting paid with our money" as being reasonable.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I'm sorry, in which case it would make perfect sense for anyone interested to read it anyway.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Facts don't dovetail with Liberal platitudes. She won't read it.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Nor can a rational person be expected to read a 1,000 page document...most people know this."
  
  Translation I attempted to read it but couldn't understand the thing! Rational people would read the thing before arguing in favor of it and they certainly should read something they will vote on! But since nobody read the stimulus bill and voted on it then why expect the Democrats to act rationally!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hee hee
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Guess it's much easier to read 1000 forum post, than to actually read something that will change the face of Health Care.
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OOOOOOOhhh Wow! You guys are really going now! I'm so impressed. Not.

Yeah, Nicomp....since you seem so interested in these things: I literally am going to do some laundry and clean the bathroom. You want to know what soap I use?

Maybe we should just stay online all the time at your leisure talking around your irrationalities? I know you'd like that, but it doesn't change your nastiness or irrationality, I'm afraid.

And you all are the ones about ready for pasture, and I'm aware of it, .
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I knew you'd back. Would you care to address my facts:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFk34blB1iA
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  somehow i missed where conservative new media presented anything resembling "facts" in that clip. could you be a bit more specific please? that's if you want your ranting to bear any credence.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Rant? Ow!
  
  OK, you'll notice, if you wade through the hyperbole in the clip, that BHO is on both sides of the fence on the single-payer issue. That is, sometimes he 'promises' that we'll all have a choice, and when our collective back is turned he tells a partisan gathering that he favors single payer.
  
  It's all in there. Just sit through the over-production at the beginning.
  
  Who you gonna believe?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He waffles depending on who he's talking to so he can "convince" them to think his plan is actually a viable option.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep.
  
  Keep repeating it, please.
  
  I just want one BHO Progressive/Liberal/Democrat to explain the dichotomy.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a joke? They live for that dichotomy, when it's useful to their arguments . . .
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Liberals are gritting their teeth... want to respond... can't resist...
  
  "must ... con...de...scend..."
  
  "must ... obfuscate..."
  
  Laundry calls!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you see my point now?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, the classic "I'm rubber and you're glue" technique! Brilliant. You must be sooooo educated.
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
Congrats, guys. You crazies and your 'witty' (I guess) posts now rule the forums. It's wonderful. I suppose you can 'rule' nowhere else, so that might explain things...it certainly does to me.

Nicomp...would you like my boyfriend to give you a call on the kind of soap we use? Just to substantiate things? I know how important that is to these round about 'arguments' (if you can call them that). But, in case you would like to take my word for it, we use Purex (like to save money) for laundry. I did a load of darks...mostly slacks and other clothes for work. In the bathroom, I went ahead and put Ajax in the tub shower. We really don't have the nicest bathroom; we are still in the process of renovating this house.

Grit our teeth that we have to deal with you irrationals at all. It's sometimes fun pointing your silliness out, though....sometimes. Though I for one WOULD prefer (no way around being condescending, sorry) talking to someone with an actual argument.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you afraid he doesn't believe the soap, or the boyfriend? Or is there another insecurity at play?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't get caught up in her inability to support her points. Let her write about laundry if she prefers.
  
  I'm leaving now. I promise. Not a Liberal/Progressive/Democrat promise, a real promise.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She's baaaaaak! and she still refuses to address my video. Oh well. Obfuscation rules!
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
I tried to point out that there was an alternative bill that was in plain english that was only 63 pages long but all I got was that it couldn't be worth anything if it was only that long.

The Declaration of Independence is only 1 page long . . .
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Declaration of Independence? How dare you bring that into this conversation! Next I guess you will expect the libs to appreciate and live by the Constitution! Shameful,just shameful!
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Constitution? You mean the one all those old people wrote so many years ago?.....Rubbish!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, what did those guys know?
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
I love giberish. Such wit and beauty !
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She spells her name with a 'J' - jiberish.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You too madame X . Nice to meet you !
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum you can call me whatever you want, with a mysterious eye like yours.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thank you , Jiberish ! Someone said in another thread
  Nothing is more dangerous than ignorance in action.- Goethe
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
@ jiberish
Take care with ignorance in action. Lots around here
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
It's too cute when a product of European socialism and our own born-in-the-USA crazies all gang up and misuse Goethe. Too cute indeed.
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
At least Goethe stopped the fight for 5 minutes !
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  However; unlike Wolfgang, I'm not going to shoot my hero to save myself.
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